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AZ-5 Hayworth - NOT A LOSS YET, NOT AT ALL.
KFYI 550AM | 11-8-06 | Me

Posted on 11/08/2006 12:07:45 PM PST by Gribbles141

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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin

Yes, they tend to. I'm waiting for another update on the radio.


101 posted on 11/08/2006 1:33:01 PM PST by Gribbles141
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To: AntiGuv; Torie; Sam Spade

"Heard on the radio here just now that there are roughly about 100,000 mail-in ballots still to be counted, and roughly 50,000 of those were brought to the polls yesterday. And with the race being this close: Mitchell - 71,077 - 51% Hayworth - 65,122 - 46% and with Hayworth not yet conceeding, its possible we could hold this seat."



Seemingly defeated incumbents have come back from the dead when the absentee votes are counted (didn't that happen to Jack Metcalf in 1996?), so anything's possible. Any chance of that here, or is the margin too steep?


102 posted on 11/08/2006 1:41:48 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: Neidermeyer

Good afternoon.
"Bush has declared that he'll roll over for anything Pelosi wants, no matter how putrid it is to his base if they just won't say anything bad about him... and the RINO's will enable it..."

I must have missed that, newby. Either that or the voices in your head are lying to you again.

Michael Frazier


103 posted on 11/08/2006 1:45:03 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Gribbles141

Then I would think all is good for Hayworth...


104 posted on 11/08/2006 1:47:54 PM PST by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Gribbles141

Pray for J.D.


105 posted on 11/08/2006 1:50:36 PM PST by OldFriend (Run and Hide, Tax and Spend for the next two years. Everyone happy?)
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To: beaversmom

This should never have been close! I don't get it. And poor Melissa Hart who is so good. This is TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE that good people should lose.


106 posted on 11/08/2006 1:52:24 PM PST by juliej
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To: conservative blonde
The bush bashers are so enjoying this day.

Kind of pathetic, but then this has been the undercurrent for a long long time. Probably from the day he announced he was running for President.

107 posted on 11/08/2006 1:52:38 PM PST by OldFriend (Run and Hide, Tax and Spend for the next two years. Everyone happy?)
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To: Neidermeyer

RINO Chaffee is gone so that should not be such a problem. Maybe Lindsay Graham will not be puffing up his chest so much any more.


108 posted on 11/08/2006 1:54:04 PM PST by juliej
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To: gipper81

And the libs ruin every area they move into. Look at PA and Virginia!


109 posted on 11/08/2006 1:56:08 PM PST by juliej
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To: kabar
Good afternoon.
"I am not a big fan of early voting and absentee ballots."

I'm not either, but we were given no choice. We received ballots in the mail with notes informing us that our voting site had been closed and we now had to vote absentee.

To make matters worse, TPTB held back the results of the District Attorney race out of fear that our recently dead DA was going to win and they are trying to figure out what to do about it.

Michael Frazier
110 posted on 11/08/2006 2:00:50 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Neidermeyer
Bush has declared that he'll roll over for anything Pelosi wants, no matter how putrid it is to his base...

Thats not at all what he said. He said he would work with whoever the leadership was, sit down and discuss things, and support the things that they agreed on. His goals haven't changed since 2000.
111 posted on 11/08/2006 2:02:56 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: Gribbles141
Ironically, Arizonians passed a measure to make English their official state language and then oust Hayworth. Weird.
112 posted on 11/08/2006 2:04:25 PM PST by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

The difference between Arizona and the Metcalf and Smith races in 1996 in Washington, is that Washington has FAR more Absentee votes then Arizona, AND they only needed to be POSTMARKED by election day, not delivered. Unless that's changed recently, I don't see how this flips, I believe Arizona has neither...In Metcalf's case, he was down, but something like half the vote hadn't been counted. I don't think that's the case here.


113 posted on 11/08/2006 2:06:04 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: zbigreddogz

"only needed to be POSTMARKED by election day, not delivered. Unless that's changed recently, I don't see how this flips"



Under federal law, overseas and military absentee votes must be counted in federal elections if they are postmarked by election day and received by the state as long as 10 days after election day.

You're right that the number of absentees in Washington are always higher than anywhere else, but apparently they're fairly high in AZ as well. High enough to swing the race to J.D.? That I don't know.


114 posted on 11/08/2006 2:10:33 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

I can't believe this race was even close. I didn't even think he was in a race.

I admit, I got blindsided by quite a few races here. I didn't think there was a realistic chance in either NH seat fliping either.


115 posted on 11/08/2006 2:13:38 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin

The latest update on the radio was that there were over 100,000 absentee and provisional ballots still to be counted in his district.

To those who think the number is absurd, look at the current vote tally, "Mitchell - 71,077 - 51% Hayworth - 65,122 - 46%" and then look at the fact that the population of his district as of 2000 is 641,329 and has been growing fast.


116 posted on 11/08/2006 2:15:36 PM PST by Gribbles141
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To: Neidermeyer

That is NOT what Bush said during his press conference. You are totally reading into it your own hatred of the President.


117 posted on 11/08/2006 2:16:56 PM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look over Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.```````````````````````)
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To: zbigreddogz
The difference between Arizona and the Metcalf and Smith races in 1996 in Washington, is that Washington has FAR more Absentee votes then Arizona, AND they only needed to be POSTMARKED by election day, not delivered. Unless that's changed recently, I don't see how this flips, I believe Arizona has neither...In Metcalf's case, he was down, but something like half the vote hadn't been counted. I don't think that's the case here.

In Arizona the absentee ballots must have arrived by 7PM on Nov 7th. It worried me this year because alot of the recorded phone calls were telling you that the last day to mail ballots was Nov 2. I have never trusted the mail to get things done in a timely manner. AZ did not care when the ballots were postmarked.

118 posted on 11/08/2006 2:30:49 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: ShuShu

Republicans have been pushing absentee voting as a way to get "votes in the bank." I think in this election they discovered that this isn't a magic bullet. Putting a ballot in the mail or going to a polling place both require an engaged, motivated voter.


119 posted on 11/08/2006 2:37:37 PM PST by djreece ("... Until He leads justice to victory." Matt. 12:20c)
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To: Gribbles141

Thanks for the update. There's always a silver lining in a dark cloud...


120 posted on 11/08/2006 2:40:36 PM PST by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: angelanddevil2
Question: once a candidate concedes, the opponent wins even though the opponent finally gets less number of votes?.

No. A concession is an unofficial act (as is a victory statement).

The eventual winner is determined by whom is certified as the winner by the top state elections official (usually the Secrertary of State). And that will be the person who drew the most approved votes.

121 posted on 11/08/2006 3:24:10 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: angelanddevil2
Didn't Algor concede over the phone to GWB late election night of 2000, and then retract it?

g in az

122 posted on 11/08/2006 3:58:44 PM PST by Geezerette (... but young at heart!-)
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To: Gribbles141
Bush is assuming "the position" for input from Pelosi..
Hayworth if elected might laugh at him, few others left that would..
123 posted on 11/08/2006 4:08:02 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole.)
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To: Baynative
Weldon was indicted.
Probably a dirty trick, but enough to get 8% to flip.
124 posted on 11/08/2006 4:10:39 PM PST by rmlew (Having slit their throats may the conservatives who voted for Casey choke slowly on their blood.)
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To: AppyPappy
Arizon went Democrat.
Feelings-based voter couldn't be bothered to pay attention on immigration. All they knew is that they hated Bush on it and that Hayworth was being called racist.
Hayworth or his co-writer forgot to get a fact checker. They had the brilliant notion of soiling their Americanization program by using Henry Ford.
That was probably worth 1 million in donations to Hayworth's opponent.
125 posted on 11/08/2006 4:13:38 PM PST by rmlew (Having slit their throats may the conservatives who voted for Casey choke slowly on their blood.)
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To: conservative blonde

That doesn't mean he will "roll over for anything Pelosi wants." Not in my book anyway.



I guess I allowed my take on his speach to be colored by years of watching him take the lib/big gov't approach even when he had all the cards, and by his unmitigated glee at the idea of selling us out with the RATS on the illegal immigration amnesty issue..


126 posted on 11/08/2006 4:39:49 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: rtsimon

I have a stupid question. Are the votes always completely counted to certify the vote or is over once conceded?



It depends on the state , in the 2004 presidential race over 1.5 million absentee ballots in Cali were never opened or counted after concession.. in all likelihood Bush may have had the actual national popular vote despite what Jon Carry said..


127 posted on 11/08/2006 4:44:16 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: hsmomx3

300-400,000??? How could that be?


128 posted on 11/08/2006 4:47:47 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Gribbles141

Bookmark


129 posted on 11/08/2006 4:49:17 PM PST by 1035rep
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To: Gribbles141

If he pulls it off, you won't see much about this in the mainstream media. They have there margin of victory, and unless it spreads, they will ignore anything else


130 posted on 11/08/2006 5:34:41 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Search for Folding Project - Join FR Team 36120)
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To: Gribbles141

I've written off Allen and maybe Burns. But it would be wonderful to save a young leader like Hayworth. He certainly deserves it. It's a shame to lose the GOP's best young leaders like him or Santorum. We need them for the future of the party.


131 posted on 11/08/2006 5:37:35 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Clump

You'd think there has to be some military absentees in there. And maybe some conservative retiree ballots.


132 posted on 11/08/2006 5:38:53 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Neidermeyer

Bush never said Pelosi gets what she wants. He said he`d talk with them but maintain his principles. Exactly what he should say. The Rats didn`t wake up and take a smar pill this AM. Let`m have their fun but, on the important stuff, GWB and the Republicans will, at worst, stop them.


133 posted on 11/08/2006 6:11:06 PM PST by bybybill (`IF TH E RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: Gribbles141

Good.

Go Hayworth!


134 posted on 11/08/2006 6:17:41 PM PST by eleni121 (sometimes you have to cut off the limb to save the body)
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To: hsmomx3
Absentee voting is very popular here so numbers in the hundreds of thousands is not uncommon or surprising for us

In most competitive congressional districts, total turnout was less (sometimes considerably so) than 200,000 voters. You're suggesting well over 50% of the voting population filed absentee ballots that were not received until after election day. That's a completely ridiculous assertion.

135 posted on 11/08/2006 6:38:38 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: rtsimon
Well Maricopa county is Phoenix so the population is high.

Um... congressional districts are apportioned on the basis of population, so all have roughly the same population. Congressional districts in Manhattan and the Mojave desert have roughly the same population.

136 posted on 11/08/2006 6:40:25 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Alter Kaker

No, the ycount those last and here in Arizona, absentee ballots are popular. All you do is request the ballot and they send it to you. The number I gave is correct.


137 posted on 11/08/2006 9:11:27 PM PST by hsmomx3 (Steelers in '07--Go BIG BEN!!!)
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To: Hildy

As i have previously stated, absentee ballots are supposedly counted last. And many people vote absentee here in AZ, esp. in the Phoenix area.


138 posted on 11/08/2006 9:12:19 PM PST by hsmomx3 (Steelers in '07--Go BIG BEN!!!)
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To: Alter Kaker; All

Here's a link to the story about the ballots not yet being counted as I just found it online:

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1108AzMitchell08-ON.html


139 posted on 11/08/2006 9:15:36 PM PST by hsmomx3 (Steelers in '07--Go BIG BEN!!!)
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To: hsmomx3

Sorry, you're just wrong here. The article references early and provisional ballots, not absentee ballots, and the number listed (280,000) is state-wide, not just in the AZ05 district. I'm sure absentee ballots remain to be counted, but I'm just as sure that there's not a congressional district in the 49 states not-named Oregon that has ever had 100,000 mail in ballots.


140 posted on 11/08/2006 9:25:21 PM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Alter Kaker

Early ballots are absentee ballots because we voted early.


141 posted on 11/08/2006 9:29:14 PM PST by hsmomx3 (Steelers in '07--Go BIG BEN!!!)
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To: Alter Kaker

They are absentee (early) ballots and provisional ballots, please allow those from AZ to explain to you what the dynamics are, and oh by the way, I heard Hayworth on radio claim it about 10-15 different times when they kept playing the clip over and over, so you stand corrected. Not that he's going to definitely win, but that we have a ton of absentee(early, mail-in) ballots.


142 posted on 11/08/2006 9:44:58 PM PST by Gribbles141
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To: Jeff Chandler
There are 250,000 uncounted ballots in Arizona with 100,000 from Hayworth's district. I would think it augers well for Hayworth but the dems in that district are well educated,pretty savvy and may very well have mailed in their ballots too.

I hope it will make a difference in the Marriage Amendment,that was the shocker to me and very sad. Who wrote it up? It was pretty far reaching and allowed the "others" several discrete groups of people to unite and rise up in opposition to it.

143 posted on 11/08/2006 9:45:15 PM PST by saradippity
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To: Gribbles141

Thanks very much for posting this. I love this guy. Please keep us updated, pinged, or both.


144 posted on 11/09/2006 7:07:23 AM PST by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: OldFriend
Kind of pathetic, but then this has been the undercurrent for a long long time. Probably from the day he announced he was running for President.

More likely started the day he called the Minutemen 'vigilantes' and tried to shove amnesty down our throats.
145 posted on 11/09/2006 4:29:39 PM PST by CottonBall
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To: saradippity; Jeff Chandler
Keep me posted too!

This is unique to AZ, the # of absentee/mail in ballots going out there.

(still praying for JD and Prop 107).

146 posted on 11/09/2006 6:15:28 PM PST by kstewskis ("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles..." Fr. A. Saenz)
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To: bybybill; Neidermeyer
"Bush never said Pelosi gets what she wants. He said he`d talk with them but maintain his principles. Exactly what he should say."

Unfortunately, his principles include a determination to sell out our sovereignty to Mexico. He did say he was looking forward to shoving his massive shamnesty unto the unwilling electorate with the dems' help. Seemed real happy about it, in fact.

147 posted on 11/09/2006 6:54:42 PM PST by teawithmisswilliams (Question Diversity)
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To: teawithmisswilliams
Give it up, you are sounding like you belong at DU. George Bush is a great man and he`s not selling our sovereignty to anybody. We may disagree with some of his plan, he`s a man of principle and to insult him as you did is irresponsible and childish.
148 posted on 11/09/2006 8:32:40 PM PST by bybybill (`IF TH E RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: bybybill
...he`s a man of principle and to insult him as you did is irresponsible and childish.

Look, I voted for our President, and vigorously supported him against the pompous traitor Kerry in '04. On immigration enforcement and border security, however, he has been a disaster.

In my opinion, it's "irresponsible and childish" to continue to pretend that GWB actually wants a secure border and national sovereignty, despite the evidence.

149 posted on 11/10/2006 8:27:52 AM PST by teawithmisswilliams ("Trust and Obey" does not apply to GWB on immigration)
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To: kstewskis

Keep me updated, too, will ya?

P.U.S.H. === pray until something happens.


150 posted on 11/10/2006 8:29:26 AM PST by onyx (I'm now a minority and victim of the democrats, but with full and free entitlements!)
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