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Indiana Democrats Running As Conservatives
wcpo news ^ | 10/21/2006 1:20:31 PM | A.P.

Posted on 11/08/2006 8:09:06 PM PST by do the dhue

KOKOMO, Ind. (AP) -- The Democratic challengers considered most likely to unseat incumbent Republican congressmen in Indiana next month are all running as conservatives.

Former Congressman Baron Hill's Web site mentions "My Faith in God," "The Sanctity of Marriage," and opposition to late-term abortions.

Joe Donnelly says he opposes abortion and wants no part of a mandated troop withdrawal from Iraq.

Vanderburgh County Sheriff Brad Ellsworth campaigns on his career in law enforcement and appears on his Web site carrying a hunting rifle.

Ellsworth is running against incumbent John Hostettler in the Eighth District, Donnelly against Chris Chocola in the Second District and Hill against Mike Sodrel in the Ninth District.

The three Democrats have benefited from more than $3.5 million from the Democratic campaign committee, most of it in commercials attacking their rivals, yet say they are not Washington insiders.

And neither Donnelly nor Ellsworth will say how he would vote when it comes time to elect a Speaker -- sure evidence that Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi of California is not viewed as a political asset.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2006election; conservatives; democrats; indiana
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Well, that is how the dems pulled it off in Indiana. As a Conservative, I think this softens the blow.

I think for the Dems to get bills through the House and Senate, they will have to deal with the DINOs (Democrats In Name Only).
1 posted on 11/08/2006 8:09:07 PM PST by do the dhue
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To: do the dhue

But will they actually vote that way once they're in Congress?


2 posted on 11/08/2006 8:13:25 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: do the dhue

All lies and Indiana bought it like they have Evan Bayh,


3 posted on 11/08/2006 8:14:22 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: do the dhue
Are you in Indiana? If not, can somebody from Indiana please weigh in on this?
4 posted on 11/08/2006 8:14:43 PM PST by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Oh, we'll be tracking their votes...


5 posted on 11/08/2006 8:14:57 PM PST by an amused spectator (The Credit Party - the Dine-And-Dash Democrats line up the sheep for shearing again)
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To: Paleo Conservative
But will they actually vote that way once they're in Congress?

If they don't then their challengers in 2008 will beat them over the head with it. The Democrats took a risk running a bunch of moderate to conservative candidates in this election. It will either work well for them and in the long run move the party to the right or else it will blowup in their faces come 2008.

6 posted on 11/08/2006 8:15:45 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Just one day without polls would be nice.)
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To: an amused spectator

But will you still be amused?


7 posted on 11/08/2006 8:15:52 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

I'm thinking they will vote a lot like a Republican because for the most part the people are conservative.

http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2006/09/03/349821-can-democrats-win-in-ohio-river-valley

above is another interesting perspective. This is not limited to Indiana. Ohio and Kentucky are the same (see above)


8 posted on 11/08/2006 8:16:12 PM PST by do the dhue (If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.)
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To: do the dhue

No one that votes to make pelosi speaker and rangel and conyers chairmen of committees is conservative.

There are so few dinos that pelosi will be able to pick off a lot of rinos to pass bills.

Dems have such a big majority they could afford to lose 15 dems and still pass a bill.


Now you will get bush and the dems giving us amnesty.

This is not gridlock the dems will be able to pick off rinos in the senate and pass bills.

People were calling to punish the gop and get gridlock. Well instead you will have far leftist bills like minimum wage and amnesty passing.

Losing the senate was a disaster.


9 posted on 11/08/2006 8:16:27 PM PST by jamesrichards
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To: do the dhue

Mistress Nancy will whip those guys into shape soon enough.


10 posted on 11/08/2006 8:16:28 PM PST by Mike Darancette ( Europe will either become Christian again or become Muslim. Not the "culture of nothing".)
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To: lesser_satan
I grew up there. Am in Texas now. I still have friends and family in Indiana.
11 posted on 11/08/2006 8:17:24 PM PST by do the dhue (If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.)
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To: do the dhue

Repeat after me:
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THAT is what cost us the districts affected most by it...


12 posted on 11/08/2006 8:17:28 PM PST by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: Paleo Conservative
These guys are phoney as a three dollar bill. They lied through their teeth to get into office. They'll vote with the Nancy woman against the interests of their constituents.

These guys are another case of the "whiff of fascism" emanating from the penumbra of candidacy I've been bringing up for months and months. There's a type of potential voter out there who will vote for the Republicans for economic and tax reasons unless they get that "whiff" and then they pull out grandpa's pointed hat and klan robes, or maybe dusts off his daddy's German-American Bund hat, and they go for the Democrat with the odor that pleases them.

The Dem planners know that. They've used it to their advantage in three statewide races in Virginia (where I presently live) THREE TIMES ~ they won with Warner, they won with Kaine, and they think they are winning with Webb.

13 posted on 11/08/2006 8:18:36 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: do the dhue
I remember after the '02 election thinking this type of dem candidate would be our worst nightmare as far as them picking up seats. I think they themselves realized that after the 2004 elections and this year we got a dose of culturally conservative democrats running in many red states. They will go to DC and support the wealth redistribution welfare state and align themselves with the far left democrat leadership in congress.
14 posted on 11/08/2006 8:19:14 PM PST by KoRn
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To: jamesrichards
I did not like hearing Bush say that he would work with the Dems.

The Dems have offered no ideas, obstructed, and then pointed at the inability of the Republicans. I am hoping the favor some how gets returned.
15 posted on 11/08/2006 8:20:46 PM PST by do the dhue (If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.)
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To: do the dhue

Thanks, I hope you're right on this.


16 posted on 11/08/2006 8:21:42 PM PST by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: Paleo Conservative
But will they actually vote that way once they're in Congress?

Nope. The Dem strategy has always been "Pretend to be moderate, get elected, vote like a communist." This year, they just changed "pretend to be moderate" to "pretend to be conservative." It wasn't much of a trick for them. Apparently they fooled enough people--this time.

And the GOP didn't help by slapping their conservative base around for the past two years.
17 posted on 11/08/2006 8:21:45 PM PST by Antoninus (Fire Ken Mehlman....)
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To: muawiyah
They'll vote with the Nancy woman against the interests of their constituents.

In Indiana, Ohio, and Kentucky, I don't think it is a good idea to vote like someone from San Fransisco.
18 posted on 11/08/2006 8:22:36 PM PST by do the dhue (If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.)
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To: do the dhue

It hasn't stopped Evan Bayh.


19 posted on 11/08/2006 8:23:47 PM PST by stockstrader
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To: KoRn
They will go to DC and support the wealth redistribution welfare state and align themselves with the far left democrat leadership in congress

I hope not.
20 posted on 11/08/2006 8:23:52 PM PST by do the dhue (If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.)
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To: do the dhue

They don't care ~ if they want campaign funds next time they'll vote with the Nancy woman.


21 posted on 11/08/2006 8:24:30 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Paleo Conservative

Pelosi and schumer used the these new candidates to get power.

There is zero shift in direction. The dems will have very liberal chairmen like conyers, rangel, barney frank.

The difference is the dem districts punish moderate dems for having an r next to their name while gop districts get played by schumer and pelosi.

I can guarantee you that there is no change in ideology.

What makes the heath schuler's of the world so dangerous is they put ultra liberals like pelosi and conyers in power.

Dems voters care far more about winning. Look at all the dems that won in red districts. New Jersey always rejects gop at state level because dems play to win to further their leftist agenda.

Look at montana they threw away and say over judges. They either don't care that ted kennedy will tie up all the judges in committee or don't pay attention to it. Dems areas are far more movivated.

This new set up is a disaster you will get no funding for the new border fence.

The gop congress blocked bush's amnesty so the payback was to get a dem congress that will work with bush for amnesty.

What makes the new dems so scary is they are so young and they will keep pelosi in power for a decade at least.

Dems don't even change chairmen. Gop had term limits.


There is also the media affect. The liberal media went all out after george allen to get back the senate. They knew they needed his seat.

There is only so much you can do when the media takes sides.


22 posted on 11/08/2006 8:24:52 PM PST by jamesrichards
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To: jamesrichards
"Now you will get bush and the dems giving us amnesty."

The thoughts of this, especially after this election makes my blood boil!!!!! If this is going to happen I would just rather them toss him out of office first. We now effectively have a liberal democrat congress with a moderate republican in the white house. This is going to be a rough two years for the conservatives.

23 posted on 11/08/2006 8:24:57 PM PST by KoRn
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To: Antoninus
The Dem strategy has always been "Pretend to be moderate, get elected, vote like a communist."

I think that is true, but a couple candidates in Indiana were once Republicans. I am hoping they don't side with the commie baby killers.
24 posted on 11/08/2006 8:25:56 PM PST by do the dhue (If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.)
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To: muawiyah
They don't care ~ if they want campaign funds next time they'll vote with the Nancy woman.

Then I think it will be a waste of Demoratic money. The Conservatives there will see they made a mistake.
25 posted on 11/08/2006 8:28:07 PM PST by do the dhue (If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.)
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To: do the dhue; lesser_satan
If you saw any of the Donnelly TV commercials--he HARDLY passed himself off as a conservative. He left no doubt in your mind he was a liberal democrat.

His commercials were very nasty, very mean, hit below the belt with many of his 'half-truths'--and made it perfectly clear he is a hard-core liberal.

The loss of Indiana's (historically Red state) three seats shows a trend toward the blue--as Indiana continues to lose manufacturing jobs--just like Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

26 posted on 11/08/2006 8:29:13 PM PST by stockstrader
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To: jamesrichards; Congressman Billybob
What makes the heath schuler's of the world so dangerous is they put ultra liberals like pelosi and conyers in power.

You're preaching to the choir. I sure hope Congressman Billybob gets the Republican nomination in 2008 to knock off Heath Schuler.

27 posted on 11/08/2006 8:30:41 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: tcrlaf

What do you mean


28 posted on 11/08/2006 8:31:38 PM PST by catholicfreeper (Geaux Tigers SEC FOOTBALL ROCKS)
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To: stockstrader; All

Well the midwest is losing jobs.. Myself is leaving Illinois soon.. I have no reason to stay here...


29 posted on 11/08/2006 8:31:57 PM PST by KevinDavis (Nancy you ignorant Slut!!!!!)
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To: do the dhue
The Conservatives in Indiana and elsewhere may well be hauled off to concentration camps before that happens.

I'm afraid you really don't know how evil the Democrats are.

30 posted on 11/08/2006 8:33:20 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: KevinDavis
The loss of manufacturing jobs in the Midwest--is threatening to turn the whole Midwest BLUE. You see it in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and the start of it in Indiana and Wisconsin (Illinois is already hopeless).

This trend toward the blue--is going to make it increasing difficult for Republicans in the future--as you will be able to add the Midwest (Illinois, Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania) to the list of SOLID BLUE states like California and New York.

Now I haven't add up the electoral votes I have just listed--but it's an incredible number to SPOT the democrats before you even start.

31 posted on 11/08/2006 8:36:04 PM PST by stockstrader
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To: LdSentinal

IMO, it's payback time. Take several pages out of the Liberal play book and use the same tactics on them.


32 posted on 11/08/2006 8:36:55 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: muawiyah

Not only that, but the conservatives in Indiana are now living in Florida, Arizona, and Nevada.


33 posted on 11/08/2006 8:38:14 PM PST by stockstrader
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To: stockstrader
Donnelly may be liberal and I think he will pay. Below is why the folks in that area are not happy:

Chocola (Donnelly's opponent) has been damaged by the local unpopularity of GOP Governor Mitch Daniels. Particularly controversial is the Governor's decision to lease a toll road which runs through the district to a foreign corporation, which proceeded to raise toll rates dramatically. This has infuriated residents in northern Indiana, and Chocola has suffered greatly from the backlash. Recently, Donnelly was embarrassed when it was revealed that he was delinquent in paying property taxes. An October 26th Majority-Watch poll has Donnelly leading Chocola 48% to 45% [17]. Cook Political Report rating: Republican Toss Up. Results: Donnelly beat the incumbent Chocola 54% to 46%.

34 posted on 11/08/2006 8:40:07 PM PST by do the dhue (If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.)
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To: do the dhue

On the one hand it's good to know that many more people are getting the conservative message. On the other hand wolves in sheep's clothing can fool the public.


35 posted on 11/08/2006 8:40:07 PM PST by syriacus (Help defend the brain-injured + the unborn from the newly elected "Wolves-in-sheep's clothing.")
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Agreed.


36 posted on 11/08/2006 8:40:24 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: ExTexasRedhead
it's payback time

HEAR HEAR!!!!!!!!!!
37 posted on 11/08/2006 8:41:53 PM PST by do the dhue (If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.)
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To: stockstrader
The loss of manufacturing jobs in the Midwest--is threatening to turn the whole Midwest BLUE.

If the jobs are gone, the people will leave those states. The state's populations will go down and the states will lose electoral votes.

38 posted on 11/08/2006 8:42:21 PM PST by syriacus (Help defend the brain-injured + the unborn from the newly elected "Wolves-in-sheep's clothing.")
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To: do the dhue
Maybe it's just me and the rural town I live in but I believe, despite yesterday's election results, the U.S. population is still moving to the political right. Though a lot of Blue Dogs got elected in the House and the Senate, the spokesmen are still going to be Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy, Schumer and other liberals. House chairmanships are going to Harman, Waxman, Dingle, Franks, Conyers and other freaks who are far out of the mainstream. Call me an optimist or a fool, but I think the Democrats have been handed just enough rope to hang themselves over the next two years.
39 posted on 11/08/2006 8:42:36 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: do the dhue
I live in that area--so I think I understand it somewhat.

There is no question that Mitch Daniels' unpopularity hurt Chris Chocola. That certainly was a factor--as was the sale of the Toll Road, again Mitch Daniels which was unbelievably unpopular--and Chocola had nothing to do with it).

Although those were major factors, the loss of manufacturing jobs and the Iraq War were right up there too.

40 posted on 11/08/2006 8:44:54 PM PST by stockstrader
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To: Brad from Tennessee
handed just enough rope to hang themselves

I know where there are a lot of nice tall trees. I'll be happy to show the demorats where they are.

I hope you are right.
41 posted on 11/08/2006 8:45:04 PM PST by do the dhue (If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.)
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To: syriacus

Guess what? That IS happening.


42 posted on 11/08/2006 8:45:51 PM PST by stockstrader
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Maybe it's just me and the rural town I live in but I believe, despite yesterday's election results, the U.S. population is still moving to the political right.

The US population has gone rightward enough that many libs, like Hillary, find it necessary to hide their true opinions

43 posted on 11/08/2006 8:46:15 PM PST by syriacus (Help defend the brain-injured + the unborn from the newly elected "Wolves-in-sheep's clothing.")
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To: stockstrader
OK, great. How do you think the people will react when Donnely votes for gay marriage?
44 posted on 11/08/2006 8:47:27 PM PST by do the dhue (If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.)
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To: stockstrader
Guess what? That IS happening.

Do you mean those states (Rustbelt, etc) are losing population?

45 posted on 11/08/2006 8:48:03 PM PST by syriacus (Help defend the brain-injured + the unborn from the newly elected "Wolves-in-sheep's clothing.")
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To: do the dhue

Of course, Evan Bayh governed as a conservative when he was governor of Indiana and now votes liberal about 80% of the time as a Senator.


46 posted on 11/08/2006 8:49:38 PM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: do the dhue
Along party lines for the most part.

That particular was just not a major player in this election. Again, I live here--and I never, ever heard anyone bring that up (except me, of course). That issue was trumped BIG TIME by the Toll Road, Iraq War, Mitch Daniels, and loss of manufacturing jobs in the region (not necessarily in that order).

47 posted on 11/08/2006 8:50:20 PM PST by stockstrader
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To: syriacus

There is some population loss in many areas--but even where the states are not losing population--there is virtually no growth (relative to the rest of the country). Hence, as you stated, the loss of electoral votes. Indiana for one.


48 posted on 11/08/2006 8:51:57 PM PST by stockstrader
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To: stockstrader

When Donnely votes along party lines on Gun bills, abortion, taxes, border security and the like, I think the next Republican candidate will take the side of the Toll Road, hopefully the Demorats can fix Iraq and that wont be an issue/sac, be against Mitch and then tell the folks that he/she will vote to repeal all the gun laws the dems made, and he promises never to side with a liberal, then he/she could win easily.


49 posted on 11/08/2006 8:58:14 PM PST by do the dhue (If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.)
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To: do the dhue

The Toll Road damage has already been done. It is a 'done deal' for generations to come--so no Republican candidate can ever fix it.


50 posted on 11/08/2006 9:00:14 PM PST by stockstrader
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