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Some conservative commentators defiant, others glum
The Seattle Times ^ | Thursday, November 9, 2006 | Howard Kurtz

Posted on 11/09/2006 6:09:52 AM PST by indcons

Conservative commentators were bloodied but unbowed Wednesday.

After a day in which Republicans lost their grip on the House and before Democrats were declared winners of the Senate, too, some of the right's most prominent voices found little cause for discouragement.

"Democrats, in my mind, don't have a mandate because they stood for nothing," radio host Laura Ingraham told her listeners Wednesday.

"Republicans lost last night, but conservatism did not," Rush Limbaugh said on the 600 stations that carry his program. "The Democrats beat something last night with nothing. They advanced no agenda, other than their usual anti-war position."

Two distinct camps quickly emerged among the columnists, talkers and bloggers who spent much of the past six years defending the administration. One carried an air of defiance, the other a mood of resignation that what President Bush on Wednesday called an electoral "thumping" was perhaps deserved.

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1 posted on 11/09/2006 6:09:54 AM PST by indcons
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To: indcons

And some are glumly defiant while others are defiantly glum.


2 posted on 11/09/2006 6:15:14 AM PST by wireman
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To: indcons

Colbert was absolutely hilarious last night. Anyone see it? He busted up a blue donkey pinata with a baseball bat. Then he starts throwing his papers around, and silently lamenting everything with different mock gestures during the word. Hilarious.


3 posted on 11/09/2006 6:15:33 AM PST by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: indcons
I'm unbowed and defiant. I owe the Democrats nothing and I feel liberated. Its great to be a conservative!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

4 posted on 11/09/2006 6:17:07 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: indcons

I cannot help but admit that when I heard Rush Limbaugh utter the words “I’m relieved….” on his show yesterday, it struck an undeniable chord deep within me. Because, although I didn’t want to admit it, I’m relieved, too.

I’m relieved in the way I would be when a sick patient finally succumbs to his disease after years of fighting, but has progressively grown weaker and weaker, in constant pain and under constant assault from the cause of his torment. That patient was, of course, the Republican Party under George Bush.

Who among us cannot admit that the Republicans have been reeling for years? They’ve been ineffective in Congress; at times exasperating; always perplexing. I trace the first large chink in the wall to late December 2002, when Trent Lott was hounded from his leadership position on ridiculous and overblown charges, and the Republican–controlled Congress allowed it to happen. That was the first stirring in my mind that something was wrong.

The lowlights of the party come to mind in a fast and furious way. In no particular order:

1) The passage and signing of McCain-Feingold;
2) The Meiers nomination;
3) The curious inattention to the border problem, with our national security at stake. Who among us would not have started building a fence on 9/12/01?
4) The continued immigration of large numbers of young Arab males;
5) This country’s continued, and highly exasperating, dependence on foreign oil;
6) The continued kowtowing to the minority party on matters of foreign policy, including, but not limited to, the abandonment of the Bush doctrine;
7) The Administration’s timidity in the Gulf region following the fall of Hussein;
8) The Administration’s timidity in defending itself on the matter of WMD;
9) The Administration’s timidity in holding Syria and Iran accountable for the foreign murderers that enter Iraq across their borders – and the accompanying habit of drawing a line in the sand, then another line, then another line…

There are more, I’m sure. In the cold light of the morning after the election disaster, a rainy day in New York, I realized how much I’ve been deluding myself about the Bush Presidency and Republican Congressional leadership. I realize how often I’ve scratched my head and said to myself, “Why aren’t we….?” or, “Why don’t we….?” or “Why doesn’t he….?”

Well it’s over now – the patient has succumbed. The shame is that he could have survived and become healthy, if only he had battled against the diseases aligned against him. After all, we were all pulling mightily for him, but in the end, he had no fight.


5 posted on 11/09/2006 6:17:09 AM PST by StatenIsland
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To: indcons

Christians need to remember when we are weak God is strong.


6 posted on 11/09/2006 6:18:00 AM PST by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: indcons

Teh results on ballot propositions show that, for teh most part, this is still a conservative country.

Many of the Democrats were elected by running far to the right of their party and in some cases, to the right of their Republican opponents.

By an 11-point margin, a majority of voters believed that the party of Big Government is the Republican Party.

And then there were the scandals: the Abramoff scandal and the Foley scandal. Clean government is a conservative principle, not a liberal one.

So all in all, there was much for conservaties to be encouraged about in these elections. In some ways, the voters thought they wre voting conservative.


7 posted on 11/09/2006 6:18:02 AM PST by TBP
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To: indcons

A Political Prayer

Dear Lord,
I pray that those of us who lost this election will show honor in our defeat and move forward with class.
I pray that those who won will be graceful and remember that their victory is temporary.
I pray that those who narrowly lost, will acknowledge that the voters did not really care if they won or not, or they would have won decisively.
I pray that those who are honestly concerned for our future will be raised up, and the light will shine upon them.
I pray that those who are self-serving will be dragged down and see defeat.
I pray that our troops will be protected by those who are responsible for their safety.
I pray for our president, that he will demonstrate true leadership and avoid falling into a quest for a legacy.
8 posted on 11/09/2006 6:19:29 AM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: StatenIsland

5) This country’s continued, and highly exasperating, dependence on foreign oil;


Where will Israel be, when we have no reason to be concerned about the Middle East?


9 posted on 11/09/2006 6:19:39 AM PST by Sybeck1 (Never thought I'd see the day, that I would be missing Lincoln Chaffee.)
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To: StatenIsland

Are you going to fight the democrats or are you going to gang up with them to fight our President in times of war.


10 posted on 11/09/2006 6:20:12 AM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: wireman

You're right. It is interesting to see a wide range of emotions on display on FR (and understandably so).


11 posted on 11/09/2006 6:20:38 AM PST by indcons
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To: TBP

People voted Dem over Republican 31.5-25 million. That was a stunning margin.


12 posted on 11/09/2006 6:20:49 AM PST by misterrob (Bill Clinton, The Wizard of "Is")
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To: goldstategop
I'm unbowed and defiant. I owe the Democrats nothing and I feel liberated. Its great to be a conservative!

That's the spirit. Ride toward the sound of the guns.

Regards, Ivan

13 posted on 11/09/2006 6:21:28 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: indcons

I choose defiance.


14 posted on 11/09/2006 6:22:31 AM PST by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: wireman
"And some are glumly defiant while others are defiantly glum."

Perhaps true, but I have yet to see a single story or post displaying the kind of apocalyptic "derangement syndrome" that the Democrats massively displayed after their loss of the last presidential election.

The Republicans lost like adults, the Democrats like the spoiled brats they are.

15 posted on 11/09/2006 6:22:53 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Sybeck1

If you are right, and as you imply, Israel's existence is directly connected to our dependence upon Arab oil, God will have no mercy on our souls.

I don't believe this is the case.


16 posted on 11/09/2006 6:22:57 AM PST by StatenIsland
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To: misterrob

I feel liberated also.

Unfortutely, we are done for a long time.
40 more years in the desert.

The media will report that the ecomomy is good,
people are happy and the sheeple will belive it.


17 posted on 11/09/2006 6:23:09 AM PST by mtairycitizen
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To: jveritas

Am I going to fight the democrats? Damn right I am.

But I will not delude myself - I will fight them with others, like you, who want to fight - and if the President stands next to us, fine.

If he lags behind, so be it. He was strong once, and for that he deserves our allegiance. I want him to be strong again.


18 posted on 11/09/2006 6:26:19 AM PST by StatenIsland
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To: StatenIsland

Great post. You nailed it.


19 posted on 11/09/2006 6:26:45 AM PST by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: indcons

Two years of Nancy Pelosi, John Conyers, and Harry Reid will make "buyers' regret" the theme in 2008.


20 posted on 11/09/2006 6:28:35 AM PST by pabianice
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To: Wonder Warthog

I know somebody who admitted to being in therapy
when somebody pointed out is Kerry bumper sticker.

I hold my head high. I am not scheduling any session.


21 posted on 11/09/2006 6:28:40 AM PST by mtairycitizen
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To: Sybeck1

Where will Israel be when it gets attacked again by emboldened Islamofascists who know a weakened President will not be able to intervene?


22 posted on 11/09/2006 6:29:10 AM PST by balk (thefightnetwork.com)
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To: Paloma_55
Dear Lord,
I pray that those of us who lost this election will show honor in our defeat and move forward with class.
I pray that those who won will be graceful and remember that their victory is temporary.
I pray that those who narrowly lost, will acknowledge that the voters did not really care if they won or not, or they would have won decisively.
I pray that those who are honestly concerned for our future will be raised up, and the light will shine upon them.
I pray that those who are self-serving will be dragged down and see defeat.
I pray that our troops will be protected by those who are responsible for their safety.
I pray for our president, that he will demonstrate true leadership and avoid falling into a quest for a legacy.

Well put!

23 posted on 11/09/2006 6:31:22 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: balk

Hey, guess what party American Jews voted for overwhelmingly. Democrats by a margin of 87%.


24 posted on 11/09/2006 6:32:22 AM PST by piceapungens
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To: indcons
That Bush utterly failed to show our success in Iraq is inexplicable and unforgivable. How is it possible that in five years he did not show how we have saved the Iraqi people? I really want to know how any administration could be this tone deaf and just plain stupid.

My Vietnam buddy's son in Iraq, surrounded by "terrorized children" per John Kerry

25 posted on 11/09/2006 6:32:44 AM PST by pabianice
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To: pabianice

what a beautiful picture


26 posted on 11/09/2006 6:36:43 AM PST by midnightcat
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To: Wonder Warthog

The Republicans lost like adults, the Democrats like the spoiled brats they are.




I am so proud to be part of a party that acts like us! We really showed class with our extremely temporary defeat!!!


27 posted on 11/09/2006 6:37:46 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: StatenIsland

Good


28 posted on 11/09/2006 6:37:54 AM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: StatenIsland; Wonder Warthog

You nailed it, excellent points all. The way I see it though for the next year or so before campaigning starts again, the Demonrats will give the GOP plenty of ammo to fight them. Conservativism didn't lose, conservative light did. I am not a conservative so much as I want a strong national defense most of your points are gained by presenting the solution to having a strong defense, for that I look to Republicans not the "can't we all just get along" Demonrats.

Wonder Warthog, absolutely right most Conservatives are acting like grownups, displaying a wide range of emotions but not having a tempertantrum.

Everyone, please buck up it is going to be a long 2 years, but the party can and will rally.


29 posted on 11/09/2006 6:38:12 AM PST by YdontUleaveLibs (Reason is out to lunch. How may I help you?)
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To: wireman
Several things of note came out yesterday.
1. 33% of the born again Christians voted for Democrats.
These are the dummies who are not in to the Blogs and fell for the MSM Lies. How in heck can a conservative Christian vote for the Communist agenda that is unchristian in every way?
2. A huge amount of the Hispanic vote did not go Republican over the Illegal Immigration issue. Not a surprise the Democrats demonized the Republicans and the House and Senate stood by with a dumb stare like a deer caught in a cars headlights just before they got run over.
3. A majority of the losses were Blue states where the independent voters went back to the Democrats due to war fatigue.
4. The good news is the Blue state losses were mostly RINO's.
5. I heard several 20ish year olds calling in to talk radio who had been voting Republican and voted Democrat over the war and corruption. This shows they are too young to remember the 1980-1994s when the Democrats were raising taxes, and generally screwing up Capitalism and Defense. That tells me they are ignorant and fell for the MSM lies. These folks will totally Freak out when they see their taxes go up, housing cost go up, and how they the newest middle class will bare the burden of the Democrat agenda.
30 posted on 11/09/2006 6:38:41 AM PST by pwatson
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To: indcons

Name one right wing talker who defended President Bush for the past six years.


31 posted on 11/09/2006 6:39:03 AM PST by OldFriend (Run and Hide, Tax and Spend for the next two years. Everyone happy?)
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To: StatenIsland
The lowlights of the party come to mind in a fast and furious way. In no particular order:

1) The passage and signing of McCain-Feingold;
2) The Meiers nomination;
3) The curious inattention to the border problem, with our national security at stake. Who among us would not have started building a fence on 9/12/01?
4) The continued immigration of large numbers of young Arab males;
5) This country’s continued, and highly exasperating, dependence on foreign oil;
6) The continued kowtowing to the minority party on matters of foreign policy, including, but not limited to, the abandonment of the Bush doctrine;
7) The Administration’s timidity in the Gulf region following the fall of Hussein;
8) The Administration’s timidity in defending itself on the matter of WMD;
9) The Administration’s timidity in holding Syria and Iran accountable for the foreign murderers that enter Iraq across their borders – and the accompanying habit of drawing a line in the sand, then another line, then another line…

Not to mention:

The largest entitlement program in 40 years
Increasing the Federal role in education, which is not constitutionally authorized (and not even getting vouchers in the deal)
The failure to defend itself on Katrina dn point out the greater errors of the Democrat mayor and governor
Massive ag spending
Spending overall: domestic discretionary spending has increased 8.2 percent per year under Bush, up from 2.3 percent per year under the Klintoon regime.
Amnesty for illegals, whcih stands a better chance of getting passed today than it did last week.
Unwillingness to do anything for the pro-life cause.
Kowtowing to the Red Chinese, from apologizing to them after they shot down our airplane and held our people hostage to letting them board our naval ships and watch our military in action.

I'm sure I've also missed a few.

32 posted on 11/09/2006 6:39:45 AM PST by TBP
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To: StatenIsland
It is very hard to argue against your well reasoned points, although, I would add some observations.

It has been the standard operating procedure of the the Democrats and their MSM allies to search out a lone high profile Republican and work and work to demonize him and make that person the emblem of all that is wrong with humanity. They then use that person to personify, to put a tangible face on, to brand the ills of a party on that person.

To date and in recent times this procedure has been supremely effective with Republicans thus far not finding both the intellect nor the intestinal fortitude to combat.

To date, this Maoist strategy has effectively and successfully been used against the following:

Donald Rumsfeld
Newt Gingrich
Tom Delay
Mark Foley
George W. Bush
Trent Lott
Denny Hastert (resignation effort)

And what has been the usual Republican response? Toss the Democrats another scalp hoping it will make problems go away and stop the mean editorials.

Until we grow a backbone and stand up to this Maoist tactic I fully expect Nancy Pelosi, the Democrats, and the MSM to continue deploying this, so far, very successful strategy.
33 posted on 11/09/2006 6:40:31 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: mtairycitizen

Stop the doom and gloom man. You are being very negative. This is not a trait of conservatism, we are very optimistic people.


34 posted on 11/09/2006 6:40:32 AM PST by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Wonder Warthog
I agree. My mom even commented that the Republicans are behaving better than her own party after losing. No calls for succession, dividing America into blue states verses "Jesus land," no threats to leave, no claims of "we wuzz robbed, no claims of how we are superior, and no "the voters are dumb and I hate America," cries. The conservative movement is the winning movement. The GOP abandoned it just to be liked by the press
35 posted on 11/09/2006 6:41:03 AM PST by sachem longrifle (proud member of the fond Du lac band of the Ojibwa people)
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To: OldFriend

Depends on what you mean by defense.

If we count the Harriet Miers and Dubai Ports fiascos, then the list of 100% right talk radio supporters might be quite thin. If we leave these issues off the table, I would say that Pres. Bush was supported a LOT by Rush and Hannity (they are the two hosts I listen to regularly).


36 posted on 11/09/2006 6:43:57 AM PST by indcons
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To: indcons
So you prefer the union thugs who cannot pass background security checks to be running our Ports? You bought into the union label I see.

I cannot comment on Harriet Meiers, I know nothing about her that wasn't blown out there by the brilliant talk show hosts on our side.

37 posted on 11/09/2006 6:45:49 AM PST by OldFriend (Run and Hide, Tax and Spend for the next two years. Everyone happy?)
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To: StatenIsland

How about:
1) Playing nice-nice with his adopted brother, Clinton
2) Failing to take on the partisan media
2) Keeping Scott McClellan employed
4) Taking the blame for Katrina
5) Compassionate Conservatism


38 posted on 11/09/2006 6:46:39 AM PST by Inwoodian
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To: goldstategop
Its great to be a conservative!

You know, it's what I keep telling people, but they just don't seem to listen.

It is hard, grinding work trying to police your own party. I spent so long trying to explain to libertarians that abortion and euthanasia were not only immoral and unlikely to play with most conservatives, but that they aren't consistent with protecting people's rights either. I spent so long explaining to people I'm in church with that any kind of censorship (internet or otherwise), education spending, and govt charity are bad things and that those things are rightly within our purview as messengers of the Gospel (especially the charity part). It surprises me how many so called conservatives will support censorship of speech to promote 'peace'. They told me I was nuts, and that I was completely wrong. They didn't listen to a thing I said.

But they're listening to me today.

I hate trying to deal with the wrong headed ones in my own camp. But I don't have to now, because they all just got smacked down. Politically, thing have gone into the toilet, but interestingly enough, this is when I'm at my happiest best. I have a large, strong, but inept left-wing enemy facing across me just begging for a fight, and the nanny statists in my own party are going to shut up for a while so I don't have to worry about them.

We lost this one, but I tell you the truth: today is a good day to be alive, and to be a conservative.
39 posted on 11/09/2006 6:46:47 AM PST by JamesP81 (Rights must be enforced; rights that you're not allowed to enforce are rights that you don't have.)
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To: goldstategop
I'm unbowed and defiant. I owe the Democrats nothing and I feel liberated. Its great to be a conservative!

Exactly. I'm the same Conservative I was 30 years ago, and I make no bones about it. While I hate that Democrats won office, I'm glad to see more than a few RINOs go, as well as to see the RINOs remaining realizing that they had better start acting like Conservatives or they could be the next ones to lose office.

Now if we can just work on putting Conservatives in office to replace the RINOs that lost, or the RINOs that should be booted, then 2006 will be seen as the starting point of the GOP getting back to its roots.
40 posted on 11/09/2006 6:49:02 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: misterrob

True, but asa I noted previously:

1. By an 11-point margin, voters said they believed that the praty of Big Government was the Republicans, and
2. Many of the new Democrats ran as conservatives.

This election was in many ways a rejection of Big Government and when the people see what they got, many of these districts (a stunning number of which were close) may well reverse field.


41 posted on 11/09/2006 6:51:33 AM PST by TBP
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To: OldFriend

"Name one right wing talker who defended President Bush for the past six years."

Maybe that should tell you something. Some of them tried, but there were so many pokes in the eye that what could they do?


42 posted on 11/09/2006 6:52:29 AM PST by FastCoyote
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To: TBP
This election was in many ways a rejection of Big Government and when the people see what they got, many of these districts (a stunning number of which were close) may well reverse field.

That remains to be seen. If they start repelling No Child Left Behind, etc., then we can say it's a rejection of Big Government. I think it'll be a few months before we know (and I don't hear a lot of people in Congress talking about scaling back Big Government as it is).
43 posted on 11/09/2006 6:53:58 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: pabianice
That Bush utterly failed to show our success in Iraq is inexplicable and unforgivable.

I know. You'd think from the way they acted that they wanted to lose.

44 posted on 11/09/2006 6:54:17 AM PST by TBP
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To: indcons
>>>>"Republicans lost last night, but conservatism did not," Rush Limbaugh said ...

How would you know Rush? You've forgotten what conservatism is all about. For the last year you've been off the conservative reservation, on a trip to status quo GOP-land, hanging out in the Bush`s! LMBO

45 posted on 11/09/2006 6:56:38 AM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Perhaps true, but I have yet to see a single story or post displaying the kind of apocalyptic "derangement syndrome" that the Democrats massively displayed after their loss of the last presidential election.

The Republicans lost like adults, the Democrats like the spoiled brats they are.


Exactly. We aren't running around wondering what to do.

In fact, many of us see this as a chance to clean house and get rid of the RINOs. Not only do I hope to see the RINOs who lost replaced with true Conservatives in the next election, I'd like to see RINOs still in office have Conservative candidates run against them in 2008 and 2010.

This is a golden opportunity, one we haven't had in a long time, to reboot the GOP, so to speak. No more do we have to listen to the liberal branch of the GOP beg and plead for us to support RINOs or else the Democrats will take over - the Democrats did take over, and now that it's behind us, we can move on to 2008 and 2010. The liberal side of the GOP can either follow our lead or risk the Democrats staying in power (or gaining more power). They have the choice, and I think we'll see where people truly stand come 2008 and 2010.
46 posted on 11/09/2006 7:00:26 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: TBP
They played PC and didn't really commit troops and men to defeat the insurgency. The American people wondered why it kept dragging on. True, World War II took four years and we're still only in the third year of the war with a fraction of the casualties we had on a single day in World War II. People tend to lose perspective when comes to the long term historical picture. Above all, the war against Islamofascism will not end in our own lifetime. Like it or not, we are the world's policeman.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

47 posted on 11/09/2006 7:01:19 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: indcons
Delay said when Republicans abandon their principles, they lose. I don't think they did. We've seen the real Republican Party over the last 6 years, and those in charge are not conservative. GWB, it's befuddled centrist poster child, is every bit the unmitigated disaster I thought he would be when the "moderates" and other benighted delegates pinned him to be our candidate in 2000. Yet I played along and voted for him twice. He's giddy now that he'll get his amnesty program and those pesky conservatives can't bother him anymore on anything.

I would like to think the GOP power-brokers learned a lesson here. I would like to think majority of the GOP base learned a lesson as well: Don't believe it when the GOP slaps the "conservative" label on a candidate.

But I doubt either has learned anything from this situation.

48 posted on 11/09/2006 7:01:53 AM PST by mikeus_maximus (Americans are sick of Republicanism, not conservatism.)
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To: TBP
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1. By an 11-point margin, voters said they believed that the praty of Big Government was the Republicans, and
2. Many of the new Democrats ran as conservatives."

You got that right. I was very supportive of the President and voted strait R every election. Now that we got our butts whipped, it is time to reflect. Watch the Game videos of the other Team to see what they did well. Learn from our mistakes, rejoice at the loss of RINO's. Regroup and attack, attack, attack. I still remember Tip O'Neil speaker of the house and how bad the Democrats really can be, and that was before they purged all the moderates from their party. Now that the Democrat leaders are all to a person Communist Blame America First, types they will not be able to restrain their true nature. Our job is to expose every thing they do and attack. We need to purge the Republicans of all the Girly Men and find people with some big balls Women included. It is time to stand up and say we are proud, we are here and we are not going anywhere. No more get along with the Country Club. Speaking of bad Republicans. John McCain has to be clipped by every person on our side, that bastard has thrown a wrench into every possible Conservative agenda we tired to pass.
49 posted on 11/09/2006 7:01:58 AM PST by pwatson
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