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Compassionate Conservatism Lost
Townhall.com ^ | Wednesday, November 8, 2006 | Herman Cain

Posted on 11/09/2006 7:25:30 AM PST by Small-L

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To: Blackirish
More like "almost every poll for months reflected that a majority of Americans wanted some type of comprehensive immigration reform that included a path to citizenship" the borders enforced, employers of illegals punished, immigration laws enforced and amnesty for illegals defeated.
61 posted on 11/09/2006 9:27:15 AM PST by Les_Miserables
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To: MassExodus
While going in too soft in the "War on Terror", his credibility is completetly shot

What is completely shot (I hope) is this notion of a patient electorate waiting for the war on terror to be won.

Americans are the least patient people on the planet.

They love 'Mission Accomplished' but loathe 'Hold the Course'.

Mr. Bush - what have you done for me lately ?


BUMP

62 posted on 11/09/2006 9:45:23 AM PST by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath

2Ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.


63 posted on 11/09/2006 9:47:02 AM PST by itsahoot (If the GOP does not do something about immigration, immigration will do something about the GOP)
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To: MACVSOG68
We have no one to blame but ourselves. We had a great opportunity to formulate a reasonable immigration reform package, but the House stood firm in the face of dozens of polls showing Americans wanted comprehensive immigration reform...and wanted some type of path to citizenship for those already here. We blew it!

Well then as soon as Bush signs the new reform package he will get from the Dems, we will ne back in power.

Right!


64 posted on 11/09/2006 9:52:36 AM PST by itsahoot (If the GOP does not do something about immigration, immigration will do something about the GOP)
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To: Txsleuth
Those that did, KNEW that he was for a comprehensive immigration policy..

No, they voted against Kerry, not the same thing.

65 posted on 11/09/2006 9:54:08 AM PST by itsahoot (If the GOP does not do something about immigration, immigration will do something about the GOP)
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To: rhombus
I think Ronald would have had a more positive and hopeful message.

Unfortunately he is dead, the reality is we have GW.

66 posted on 11/09/2006 9:56:03 AM PST by itsahoot (If the GOP does not do something about immigration, immigration will do something about the GOP)
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To: Small-L

No, socialism packaged as conservatism lost.


67 posted on 11/09/2006 9:58:16 AM PST by Ol' Sparky
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To: Blackirish

"I really doubt that. Show me 1 poll that reflects this please."

Here are a few during the Senate debate:

FOX 7/13/06
37% to 32% feel Democrats would do better job on immigration
37% to 31% feel Republicans would do better job on border security
Failure to pass a bill would be Bush and Republican congressional fault 43%. Democrats in congress 21%
41% to 36% Immigrants give to the country rather than take away
51% say immigrants should decrease; 41% no change or increase
34% feel borders should be secured first; 35% feel deal with those here first; 28% both equally

Tarrance Group Survey 6/12-13/06
75% of likely voters wanted something similar to the Senate version
49% said it was not amnesty
95% said it was important to pass a bill this year

Gallup 6/8-25/06
59% said immigration should remain at current levels or increase
67% said immigration was a good thing; 28% said bad
66% said illegals cost too much; 29% pay fair share
74% say illegal immigrants take jobs most Americans don't want
66% say illegals should remain if they meet certain requirements; 16% want to deport all

LA Times/Bloomberg 6/24-27/06
34% - 23% Democrats can do better on immigration
87% say immigration is most important or one of most important issues
51% say illegals take jobs no American wants
46% support guest worker program; 22% oppose
67% want illegals to have a path to citizenship
44% want a felony for being in US illegally
58% want a tougher enforcement combined with a guest worker program
22% want only tougher enforcement
60% will be disappointed if no bill is passed this year

NBC/Wall Street Journal 6/9-12/06
50% want increased border security
40% want a guest worker program; 34% do not
More today believe Democrats will do better on immigration than 11/05
50% feel immigration helps; 50% feels it hurts. 12/05 hurts was 53%, helps was 37%
50% favor the Senate Bill; 33% favor the House Bill

CBS News Poll 6/10-11/06
33% approve of President Bush on immigration; 56% disapprove

API/Ipsos 5/15-17/06
52% believe immigration is a good influence on US; 46% a bad influence

Fox News Poll 5/16-18/06
57% feel illegal immigration is very serious problem, 29% somewhat serious
63% favor letting those with jobs apply for legal, temporary worker status
55% favor sending as many back as possible

CBS News Poll 5/16-17/06
77% favor Senate approach to citizenship
61% favor a guest worker program

CNN Poll 5/16-17/06
50% disapprove of Bush handling of immigration; 36% approve
79% favor the Senate approach to citizenship
66% favor increasing penalties for employers who hire illegals

ABC News/Washington Post Poll 5/11/15/06
77% feel US not doing enough to prevent illegal immigration

Newsweek Poll 5/11-12/06
61% disapprove of Bush handling of immigration

CBS News/NY Times Poll 5/4-8/06
61% say legal immigration should be at current levels or increased; 34% say decreased
89% say illegal immigration is a very serious or somewhat serious problem
53% feel illegal immigrants take jobs no one wants; 36% feel they take jobs away
61% feel illegals should be given chance to keep jobs; 35% feel they should be deported
66% oppose a 700 mile fence; 29% favor
70% feel illegals weaken the economy

These polls show that most Americans consider immigration a serious issue, most want strong enforcement, but most want something similar to the Senate version.


I can also show more going back to late last year showing similar results.


68 posted on 11/09/2006 10:05:37 AM PST by MACVSOG68
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To: 100-Fold_Return

GOP sealed it's fate when we rejected shamnesty. Does anyone trust e voting?


69 posted on 11/09/2006 10:07:13 AM PST by John Lenin
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To: Revolting cat!
No. 26: a keeper!

I second this. The voters got tired of the lies.

Vancomycin-resistant Socialistococcus aholes

70 posted on 11/09/2006 10:09:36 AM PST by Total Package (TOLEDO, OHIO THE VRSA INFECTION IN THE STATE)
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To: MACVSOG68
Thanks...there is both good and distressing news in those polls.

One of the things that really ticked me off about W is signing the fence with all that fanfare 2 weeks before the election.

It had everything but funding...a contractor...a start date...it was an illusion .I don't appreciate someone pissing on my leg and telling me how nice the rain is.
71 posted on 11/09/2006 10:16:37 AM PST by Blackirish
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To: Blackirish
It had everything but funding...a contractor...a start date...it was an illusion .I don't appreciate someone pissing on my leg and telling me how nice the rain is.

Agree completely with that. The fence is a total illusion.

72 posted on 11/09/2006 10:21:08 AM PST by MACVSOG68
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To: MACVSOG68
Agree completely with that. The fence is a total illusion.

At least you all didn't spend tons of money on crappy webcams like Texas did, and call it a deterent!
73 posted on 11/09/2006 10:57:29 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath
We must keep praying until God answers our prayers, and literally changes the atmosphere from depression and despair to love, joy, and REAL peace.

In the words on an unnamed priest during the attack on Pearl Harbor, "Praise the Lord... and pass the ammunition".

The Lord helps those who help themselves. Praying is very well and good, but your daily actions as a human being are what determines the political future of this country.

Motivate. Communicate. Make a difference.
74 posted on 11/09/2006 11:13:31 AM PST by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: MACVSOG68
While a comprehensive bill under the Republicans may not have been perfect, what we are going to get now with a Democrat congress will be far worse.

What can be worse than granting blanket amnesty and eventual citizenship to the 20 million illegals already here? What could be worse than extending that amnesty to over 100,000,000 illegals in the next ten to twenty years? The existing Senate shamnesty "plan" does exactly those things.

BTW, I have yet to see a single reputable poll that shows a majority of Americans requesting an amnesty program; in fact, the exact opposite is true... which is why the original Senate plan was tossed out by Congress.
75 posted on 11/09/2006 11:26:05 AM PST by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: MACVSOG68

RE your post #68:

You'll notice that most of those polls use the word "immigration" rather than "illegal aliens" or "illegal immigration". Also, if any of those polls discussed the actual issues at hand (such as the projected $500,000,000,000.00 price tag for "comprehensive reform" over the next decade), you would see the numbers change radically.

Finally, Congress threw out the Senate plan because of OVERWHELMING resistance against it... that resistance came from the voters.


76 posted on 11/09/2006 11:33:03 AM PST by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: af_vet_rr

Ahh, yes... the "Virtual Fence". It really is a fence. Virtually, anyway.


77 posted on 11/09/2006 11:36:06 AM PST by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: snowrip
What can be worse than granting blanket amnesty and eventual citizenship to the 20 million illegals already here? What could be worse than extending that amnesty to over 100,000,000 illegals in the next ten to twenty years? The existing Senate shamnesty "plan" does exactly those things.

To the contrary. Yes, there are about 20 million illegals here. No, most will not qualify under the terms of the bill. Please point to the provision that authorizes 100 million illegals to become citizens. What can be worse? Had the Republican house agreed to meet in conference, much of what most of us dislike and much of what we like in the house bill would have come together. Now the house bill is dead. A comprehensive package will now look pretty much like the Senate version. It's called shooting oneself in the foot!

78 posted on 11/09/2006 11:52:11 AM PST by MACVSOG68
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To: snowrip
You'll notice that most of those polls use the word "immigration" rather than "illegal aliens" or "illegal immigration".

Spin it all you want. What the polls show is that most Americans wanted a comprehensive package that permitted those already here to stay. I also have about twenty more polls showing much the same thing. Most Americans know you cannot find and deport 20 million illegals.

$500,000,000,000.00 price tag for "comprehensive reform" over the next decade), you would see the numbers change radically.

Yep. If it were true. But of course, we know that the major part of the price tag will be what you want anyway, which is a completely secure border, with a 50 foot high wall and ten immigration agents every 100 feet. Then, of course, finding, charging, jailing and ultimately deporting 20 million felons is the rest of the cost.

Finally, Congress threw out the Senate plan because of OVERWHELMING resistance against it... that resistance came from the voters.

So all the polls were wrong? So the Democrats who overwhelmingly favored the Senate bill were not elected yesterday?

79 posted on 11/09/2006 12:00:22 PM PST by MACVSOG68
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To: MACVSOG68

Your post abandons rational thought, given the mountain of evidence contrary to your positions. As such, I am not inclined to waste time with a reponse to each point. However, read and learn.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1632758/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1638411/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1637450/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1636823/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1637441/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1638077/posts


80 posted on 11/09/2006 12:18:23 PM PST by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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