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SAUNDERS: Didn't see it coming
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 11/9/6 | Debra J. Saunders

Posted on 11/09/2006 7:52:57 AM PST by SmithL

YES, I THOUGHT the GOP would do better Tuesday -- I certainly didn't see 28 (as of this writing) House seats going to the Democrats. I thought the GOP was sure to retain the Senate. Democrats beware, however, if you think this was a victory for your party. As Democratic pollster Douglas Schoen noted in a conference call Wednesday morning, Dems won the House by picking candidates who were "running away" from liberal Democratic positions. Independents, who rejected President Bush and congressional GOP leaders, have not signed on to soon-to-be Speaker Nancy Pelosi's agenda.

Yes, I am disappointed. I strongly believe that the precipitous withdrawal from Iraq, which some Democrats support, would consign the more than 2,800 U.S. troops who have died in Iraq to the dubious honor of proving that America is a paper tiger. As Bob Ayers of Chatham House, a London-based foreign-affairs think tank, puts it, "History clearly proves, as with Chamberlain's compromise with Hitler at Munich, that compromise only emboldens the radicals."

Still, as unhappy as I may be, I have to acknowledge the dose of wisdom behind the voters' verdict. The message I hear is that voters want Washington pols to stop fighting among themselves and get to work. They're sick of Bush's "my way or the highway" approach to policy. They want the president to do a better job of managing the government with which they have entrusted him.

. . . Wednesday's announcement that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld is leaving shows Bush has now heard the message. Whether Bush has the capacity to make more changes remains to be seen.

If Bush is seeking a model, he need look no further than Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2006election

1 posted on 11/09/2006 7:52:59 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

A Dimster that grasps these new Dims from the red states aren't what they were hoping for. And that gridlock is more likely than anything.


2 posted on 11/09/2006 7:58:37 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: SmithL
Democrats beware, however, if you think this was a victory for your party

This is an incredibly ignorant statement. The dems have the House & the Senate but they didn't win???? What planet.....sigh.

And then the effort to say that "conservative" issues or candidates won for those Dems who did win.

But Arnie Schwarzie isn't a Pub running as a liberal????

River in Egypt.

3 posted on 11/09/2006 8:02:35 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins

>>If Bush is seeking a model, he need look no further than Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.


Great....a chicken in every pot and a solar panel on every roof.


4 posted on 11/09/2006 8:04:20 AM PST by oblomov (Join the FR Folding@Home Team (#36120) keyword: folding@home)
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To: oblomov

With luck we can fry the chicken on the solar panel. :>)


6 posted on 11/09/2006 8:05:46 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: SmithL

Thanks, one shows ones character during difficult times; lots of folks here are showing thier character or lack thereof.


7 posted on 11/09/2006 8:07:41 AM PST by SF Republican
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To: George W. Bush
The fight against Illegal Immigration will win in 2008....what party will stand and deliver?

All I got from the bluebloods was lip service...and a promise of a fence without funding, that may never be fulfilled....

8 posted on 11/09/2006 8:11:37 AM PST by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: SmithL

The sad thing is that we lost to a party without a message and without a unifed voice. It wasn't like in 1994 when the encumbant power was swept out by a well organized nationwide campaign. The Dems didn't have that. But neither did we. We didn't put out much of a message or a vision either so in essense the Dems beat nothing with nothing. Imagine what would have happend had the Dems run a better campaign and silenced their bozos?


9 posted on 11/09/2006 8:15:53 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: Made in USA

As I recall from the movie Patton, the whole quote was in reference to General Rommel (the exalted "Desert Fox") and it went "...Rommel you magnificent bastard, I've read your book", meaning he knew before hand how Rommel would respond. The Dems have attempted to obstruct all progress in congress, have obstructed the war on terror since a few months after 9/11, and have successfully laid the blame for gridlock in DC on the Republicans. They have politicized everything and yet have succeeded in pointing the finger at Bush for polarizing the country. We failed to either read their book or respond with an effective campaign in opposition to their disingenuous yet effective tactics.


10 posted on 11/09/2006 8:24:40 AM PST by downtownconservative
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To: George W. Bush

I'm pretty sure Debra Saunders is not a Dim. They have her on KSFO all the time and she sounds pretty conservative to me.


11 posted on 11/09/2006 8:24:44 AM PST by rivercat (The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. - William Shakespeare)
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To: xzins

I suspect he meant that Dems did loose because they won on conservatism not liberalism. Unfortunately, the voting public has been fooled. Tigers do not loose its' spots.


12 posted on 11/09/2006 8:25:28 AM PST by Strutt9
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To: SmithL
Yes, I am disappointed. I strongly believe that the precipitous withdrawal from Iraq, which some Democrats support, would consign the more than 2,800 U.S. troops who have died in Iraq to the dubious honor of proving that America is a paper tiger

I agree. The Dems have said we have no credibility among other nations. How will the US regain credibility in the eyes of the world by abandoning people to whom we gave hope?

33,686 American lives were lost in the Korean non-war that ran from 1950-1953, yet we didn't abandon South Korea.

On 29 June 1950, President Harry S Truman, said

There is no doubt that the program will be to maintain the Korean Republic.
Why is Bush wrong, but Truman was right?
13 posted on 11/09/2006 8:26:12 AM PST by syriacus (Here's choice for ya -- Schumer CHOSE PRO-LIFE PRO-GUN candidates in order to win the Senate.)
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To: syriacus
Why is Bush wrong, but Truman was right?

South Korea is still free......

14 posted on 11/09/2006 8:28:09 AM PST by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: syriacus

Because Truman was a democrat, silly!


15 posted on 11/09/2006 8:28:57 AM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look over Mozart Lover's and Jemian's sons and keep them strong.```````````````````````)
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To: xzins
This is an incredibly ignorant statement. The dems have the House & the Senate but they didn't win???? What planet.....sigh.

Oh man...

16 posted on 11/09/2006 8:30:26 AM PST by gogeo (Irony is not one of Islam's core competencies (thx Pharmboy))
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To: SmithL
They're sick of Bush's "my way or the highway" approach to policy.

I would just like one person to clearly demonstrate how Bush was doing this. Give me ONE legitimate example and NOT a Dem talking point wish. Anyone.

17 posted on 11/09/2006 8:32:29 AM PST by subterfuge (Tolerance has become the greatest virtue, and hypocrisy the worst character defect.)
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To: oblomov

"Chicken in every pot." Don't forget that WE in California are now the only Kyoto signers in the country -- well, Arnold WISHES we'd sign Kyoto. The only Global Warming State. Fantastic. Amazing. Totally Delusional. Schwarz is about as conservative as, as, as ... Hilary.


18 posted on 11/09/2006 8:38:03 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: SmithL

You know this meme that the democrats won these races because the candidates are conservative is just really stupid politically.

Why would they need to be replaced then? If it's a local race, all they have to do is throw up quotes from all the Republicans about what wonderful conservatives they are when they run for re-election the first time.


19 posted on 11/09/2006 8:39:52 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: syriacus

They're both right, but Bush's job is harder than Truman's was. It's assymetrical warfare. Plus you didn't have CNN doing ride-alongs with NK soldiers.


20 posted on 11/09/2006 8:42:00 AM PST by scottinoc
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To: SmithL
Bush's "my way or the highway" approach to policy

I think this claim against Bush is unfair. I don't think he's had this attitude. What he has face is obstructionism to his policies at every turn, and when he faced it with the war, he forced the Dems to vote for it, which made them mad. When he faced obstruction on judges and legislation, he was very pliant. He should have been kicking butt and taking names.

21 posted on 11/09/2006 8:43:33 AM PST by Defiant (The shame of Spain has stained the fruited plain.)
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To: SmoothTalker
"Vote for us...We're not them!"--and the voters did.
22 posted on 11/09/2006 8:43:36 AM PST by aligncare (Socialism is on the march in America)
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To: aligncare

Dems to America ""Vote for us...We're not them!"

R's to America "Vote for us...We're not them!"


23 posted on 11/09/2006 8:45:28 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: downtownconservative

Only one problem with your well thought-out analysis: The Media wing of the democrat party--otherwise known as the Mainstream Media (or as I prefer: Democrat Media).


24 posted on 11/09/2006 8:49:58 AM PST by aligncare (Socialism is on the march in America)
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To: Made in USA
He must have been seeing too many of these kinds of posts on FR before the election



Hahahahaha.

Yeah, I was just wondering this morning what happened to that magnificent stuff.

It's like shouting "Wheee" as you fly over the cliff...
25 posted on 11/09/2006 8:55:16 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: dcam
I'm pretty sure Debra Saunders is not a Dim.

I'm not sure what she is, but I never found anything much conservative about her views. She is usually carried in papers that lean far left as the token "conservative." She does look conservative compared to the socialists and commies since she's part of the mushy middle only leaning a little to the left.

26 posted on 11/09/2006 8:59:51 AM PST by penowa
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To: subterfuge
Give me ONE legitimate example and NOT a Dem talking point wish. Anyone.

Pill Bill.

Held the vote open for hours. Threatened many conservatives that they would run an opponent against them in their next primary if they wouldn't vote for it. One of them was the guy who was leader of the Florida house in 2000 who helped deliver for Bush during that meltdown.

For his conservative conscience, he was consigned to the back benches.

And how about the Bridge To Nowhere and all the earmark nonsense? Tom Delay, once a hero of mine, was saying that he just didn't think there was any more excess spending that could be cut. Like a bad flashback to the Sixties when the Dims were in office. I loved Tom Delay but he lost me there. I never signed up for that kind of corrupt liberal spending and debt.
27 posted on 11/09/2006 9:00:37 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: SmoothTalker
Dems to America ""Vote for us...We're not them!"
R's to America "Vote for us...We're not them!"


If only...

The real truth: R's to America: "Vote for us...We are them."

The voters heard loud and clear. I'm surprised they didn't boot 'em in '04. The voters were pretty tolerant, I'd say. And the narrowness of the Dim victory in real numbers indicates we can recover our position by returning to our fundamental principles.

And in the red states where Dims won, they ran as us. Not surprisingly, they won. The South still has genuine lingering affection for the old Dim party. If they can get conservative Dims to run again, we've had it there. And we have only ourselves to blame.

Permanent-majority. Total nonsense.
28 posted on 11/09/2006 9:05:50 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: penowa

That may be it. I think I've been in moonbat-land too long!


29 posted on 11/09/2006 9:07:11 AM PST by rivercat (The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. - William Shakespeare)
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To: penowa

Here's some info on her... http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Debra_J._Saunders

It seems she's worked for Republicans in the past.


30 posted on 11/09/2006 9:14:56 AM PST by rivercat (The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. - William Shakespeare)
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To: SmithL
Dems won the House by picking candidates who were "running away" from liberal Democratic positions. Independents, who rejected President Bush and congressional GOP leaders, have not signed on to soon-to-be Speaker Nancy Pelosi's agenda.

DINOs... the new catchphrase soon to be hitting DC.

Democrats In Name Only.

These will be the conservative Democrats who were sheparded into the party to fight against the Republicans. They will vote for lower taxes, support our troops, and against government social programs.

I think that quickly, they will realize that unlike the Republican party which actually helps RINOs succeed, the DINOs will be ostracized, have no authority in the party, and will be kicked out as soon as a real liberal can take their seat.
31 posted on 11/09/2006 9:20:03 AM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: SmithL

Well, we sure got a lot of "my way or the highway' from the last administration, and we will still have it with the next one. Bush considers it leadership on what he was elected to do. I cringe to think her heinous will too.


32 posted on 11/09/2006 9:21:39 AM PST by Citizen Soldier
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To: George W. Bush
I voted for George W. Bush (not you--the other one. LOL), and I supported him because he was the first American president to finally fight back against the Radical Islamists who had been attacking America and Americans abroad for decades.

But other than that important issue...I knew conservatives were in trouble when the very first piece of legislation he signed was an education bill with Ted Kennedy. And the rest: immigration, pork barrel spending...a loser for conservative.

(He did earn a B in my book on judicial appointments though)

33 posted on 11/09/2006 9:29:54 AM PST by aligncare (Socialism is on the march in America)
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To: aligncare
He did earn a B in my book on judicial appointments though

Reason enough to vote for him, even if he never did anything else.

34 posted on 11/09/2006 9:46:55 AM PST by lasereye
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To: lasereye

Good point...

The 'culture war' continues...and we need conservatives on the court.


35 posted on 11/09/2006 9:49:20 AM PST by aligncare (Socialism is on the march in America)
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To: SmithL
If Bush is seeking a model, he need look no further than Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

I can understand why you cut the article off at this sentence. God help us if the GOP goes in this direction (I know, he is referring to Bush in this article, not the entire GOP). There won't be enough gold in Fort Knox to cover the bill.

36 posted on 11/09/2006 9:50:44 AM PST by Major Matt Mason (Moderates cannot be allowed to control the GOP - 11/7/06 is the proof.)
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To: George W. Bush

When I hear the so called Bush mantra of "my way or the highway" I'm thinking of it coming from Democrats, the left and the media. None of your points have anything to do with this meme put out by them. Conservatives/Republicans and Delay weren't the ones putting out this little catch phrase.

Feel free to try again.


37 posted on 11/09/2006 10:05:17 AM PST by subterfuge (Tolerance has become the greatest virtue, and hypocrisy the worst character defect.)
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To: aligncare
I knew conservatives were in trouble when the very first piece of legislation he signed was an education bill with Ted Kennedy.

Me too. And we had beat that back under Clinton!

(He did earn a B in my book on judicial appointments though)

After we shoved Harriet over the cliff, it was good. But why did we even have to go through that? Very messy and unnecessary.
38 posted on 11/09/2006 10:08:33 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: subterfuge
Feel free to try again.

I proved my point abundantly.

I'm not Charlie Brown even if you're pretending to be Lucy holding the football. You're wrong and I proved it. Just be a man and admit it.
39 posted on 11/09/2006 10:10:07 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: SmithL

JERRY: Kramer, are you drinking that milk?

KRAMER: Yeah.

JERRY: What's the expiration date on that?

KRAMER: September third.

JERRY: The third?

GEORGE: and SUSAN: The third?

KRAMER: Um, Uh, ugh, ...

SUSAN: Noooo... [Kramer throws up on Susan]

[Monk's]

GEORGE: I never should have brought her up there. Should have known better. Should have seen it coming. I didn't see it coming.

JERRY: I think SHE saw it coming.


40 posted on 11/09/2006 10:11:54 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: George W. Bush
I proved my point abundantly.

No, you didn't. Be an adult and admit it.

41 posted on 11/09/2006 10:34:44 AM PST by subterfuge (Tolerance has become the greatest virtue, and hypocrisy the worst character defect.)
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To: George W. Bush

"Rove, you Sukin Syn!"

42 posted on 11/09/2006 10:38:38 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Somehow, it just doesn't have the same ring to it...


43 posted on 11/09/2006 10:57:26 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Strutt9
Tigers do not loose its' spots.

Um, leopards have spots, tigers have stripes. ;-)

44 posted on 11/09/2006 11:04:26 AM PST by Unknown Pundit (I really do post with a paper bag over my head.)
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To: Unknown Pundit

Yup, you are correct... pardon the mistake. I meant Leopards.


45 posted on 11/09/2006 12:00:53 PM PST by Strutt9
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