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Bush says open to suggestions on Iraq
Reuters ^ | November 9 2006

Posted on 11/09/2006 9:01:04 AM PST by jmc1969

President George W. Bush, signaling a more conciliatory approach after suffering electoral losses this week, said on Thursday he was "open to any idea or suggestion" on the Iraq war.

The incoming Democratic-controlled Congress is expected to exert more pressure on Bush for a course correction in Iraq amid rising U.S. casualties and violence.

"I'm open to any idea or suggestion that will help us achieve our goals of defeating the terrorists and ensuring that Iraq's democratic government succeeds," Bush said in a Rose Garden appearance with members of his Cabinet.

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1 posted on 11/09/2006 9:01:05 AM PST by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969

Uh-oh.


2 posted on 11/09/2006 9:01:56 AM PST by RexBeach ("Important principles may, and must be, inflexible." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: jmc1969

As if he wasn't open to suggestions on November 6?


3 posted on 11/09/2006 9:02:37 AM PST by linear (Hawking radiation notwithstanding, its usually best to keep your elephant away from black holes.)
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To: jmc1969

He's just baiting the Democrats to make stupid suggetions. They have no plan and everyone knows it.


4 posted on 11/09/2006 9:03:37 AM PST by rhombus
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To: jmc1969

The upside of the situation, is that now there is no political value for the Democrats to oppose the war. Now they must deal with it.

In fact, we ARE WINNING the war, so the best thing the Democrats can do at this time is HELP us to continue winning the war.

It gives us an opportunity to shift tactics dramatically, and this might not be all bad.

Bush can play "Good cop" with the Iraqi government telling them that now the Dems have Congress, the Iraqi government is going to have to really stand up or the Dems (bad cop) will pull the rug out from under him/them.

I think we can make this work in a way that we come out ahead.

The other thing, pretty soon we are going to be up against Iran and Syria... the Dems cannot gain politically by screwing that up. I think they will realize that we must PULL TOGETHER and win the WOT.

Of course, I am always an optimist..so I might be deluding myself.


5 posted on 11/09/2006 9:05:54 AM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: jmc1969
He already went with one idea, got rid of Rumsfeld.
6 posted on 11/09/2006 9:06:18 AM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: linear


Nancy Pelosi with her agenda in hand heading off to lunch with President Bush. We all remember what she did to King Neptune, right?
7 posted on 11/09/2006 9:06:55 AM PST by RedCell ("...thou shalt kill thine enemy before he killeth you by any means available" - Dick Marcinko)
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To: linear

The Democrat's success in conducting wars is poor to say the least. And Bush wants suggestions from them? If I'm a terrorist I'm seeing victory on the horizon.


8 posted on 11/09/2006 9:07:23 AM PST by Russ
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To: Russ

Not saying he has to take them. I just disagree that Bush's statement represents any sort of new tone. The only new tone is that found in the media, which sees a brighter world now that the Dems are in nominal control of Congress.


9 posted on 11/09/2006 9:08:51 AM PST by linear (Hawking radiation notwithstanding, its usually best to keep your elephant away from black holes.)
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To: jmc1969
Shoulda been done long ago.

"I'm open to suggestion."
"Bush lied."
"No, really. What do you want to do?"
"Bush lied."
"Do you have a plan?"
"Bush's failed policies."
"So what do you think of this Sadr fellow?"
"Bush's failed policies."
"How about the Iraqi partitioning plan?"
"Bush lied."
"So do you think we should raise the troop levels?"
"Bush's failed policies."
"Hey, thanks for the input. Have a nice day."

10 posted on 11/09/2006 9:08:53 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: jmc1969
This is the pose he has to take. If he came out with a defiant "I'm doing the same thing as always and tough!" speech, the Americans who--whether FReepers like it or not--told the President of ALL of us (not just FReepers) they don't like what's happening. Yesterday he canned Rumsfeld (and picked an inferior replacement, IMHO). Today he said "OK, I hear ya, I'm listening."

I fear that his continued reliance on Bush 41's stable--Baker, et al--shows he's gotten the wrong message, the one that wrecked Bush 41's presidency. But he is trying to recover his footing in this new environment, and it seems to me he's trying to show he's not going to be a lame duck but will try new things.

I just hope he doesn't continue down this path permanently. The Bush family seems to think a presidency should become more "mainstream" as it goes, when what 43 SHOULD be doing is becoming more hardcore conservative. Because as I see it, 2008 is going to be The Return of Conservatism. Why do I think this? Because for all its flaws, the GOP held the majority for 12 years and now the libs will be racing to get as much done in two years as they can because the simple fact is Americans don't like liberals. (They DO like spenders...until they get their pet project funded, then they want "responsible government".)

Bush HAS to walk this road now. But it's just a shortcut, not a highway. He had better get on the Conservative Expressway by next spring, and if he does he will be well-positioned to say "I TRIED working it their way, but look what those crazy libs are doing!" The public wants him to work with them...until they learn how crazy they are in DC. Then, after following the people's demands, he can say "I did it your way, and look at what I found? Now YOU follow ME."

He CAN do this. I just hope he will. But so many politicians want to be liked that they won't take the risky moves needed for political courage to take root again.

11 posted on 11/09/2006 9:09:09 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Republican, atheist, pro-lifer, stranded in Blue Boston)
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To: rhombus

Bingo!


12 posted on 11/09/2006 9:10:00 AM PST by Howlin
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To: jmc1969
He should phrase it more sharply. He should say that "It is clear the American public have an interest in the policies and plans of the Democrats. Very well then, I am open to hearing their plans for how we can best resolve the Iraq situation. Let them present their ideas and let's discuss the benefits and drawbacks openly."

Regards, Ivan

13 posted on 11/09/2006 9:11:43 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: jmc1969
So Bush is open to suggestions.

Weak weak weak..... LOL

14 posted on 11/09/2006 9:14:22 AM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: rhombus
Oh they have a plan,its called get out now and they don't seem worried about the consequences.
15 posted on 11/09/2006 9:16:19 AM PST by linn37 (Love your Phlebotomist)
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To: Russ
The Democrat's success in conducting wars is poor to say the least.

The las War we won was by a Democrat, Harry Truman, who then proceeded to invent limited warfare called it a police action and we haven't won anything since.

16 posted on 11/09/2006 9:18:45 AM PST by itsahoot (If the GOP does not do something about immigration, immigration will do something about the GOP)
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To: MadIvan
He should say that "It is clear the American public have an interest in the policies and plans of the Democrats. Very well then, I am open to hearing their plans for how we can best resolve the Iraq situation. Let them present their ideas and let's discuss the benefits and drawbacks openly."

They'd say, "you broke it, you own it."

17 posted on 11/09/2006 9:20:26 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: linn37

Good. It's about time someone asked what they have in mind. I am sure the public will like to here there answer.

It's a trap question.


18 posted on 11/09/2006 9:20:47 AM PST by prov1813man
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To: GraniteStateConservative
They'd say, "you broke it, you own it."

Bush can reply. "Oh? So you're forefeiting Iraq policy to me? Is that what you said you were going to do? I think not."

Regards, Ivan

19 posted on 11/09/2006 9:22:36 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: prov1813man
It's a trap question.

I'm sure he is sincere, but you are right, it IS a trap question. He is going to "appease" the democrats to death. Kill them with kindness and cooperation..... for a while.

20 posted on 11/09/2006 9:24:24 AM PST by Paradox (American Conservatives: Keeping the world safe for Liberalism.)
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To: jmc1969
I'm open to any idea or suggestion that will help us achieve our goals of defeating the terrorists and ensuring that Iraq's democratic government succeeds

fight it like a war and not a police action

21 posted on 11/09/2006 9:25:29 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: jmc1969

Great! Here's what you need to do, Mr.President:

1. Arm every last Kurd. This not only scares the bejesus out of every last Islamic "dead-ender" it also scares the shi'ite out of the Turks, Iranians, Syrians, Saudis and a bunch of other goat-herding, pseudo-nation states. Perhaps when faced by the possibility of a Kurdish nation, armed to the teeth, and with warm, fuzzy feelings for Americans, the rest of the Arab world will step up to the plate and help out, or restrain their own reactionary Islamonazis.

2. Ship said Kurds to the Sunni Triangle with sufficient firepower to return the entire country to it's pristine, desert state ujntil this crap stops...right now.

3. Scorched earth, if compliance with #2 is not forthcoming.

4. Ensure the "Iraqi people" (an artificial construct) who are holding up the Freedom Express, are reduced to collecting rainwater and hunting insects in order to ensure a minimum level of survival.

5. Disband what passes for an "Iraqi government". It does not deserve continued existance, since it is so willing to compromise with the lements within Iraqi society bent upon it's destruction. After the Kurds apply an M-16 enema to the rest of Iraq, new elections can be held.

6. Any system which shows any promise of offering a viable aleternative to liberal, free-market democracy must be ruthlessly crushed as soon as it rears it's ugly head.

7. Repeat as necessary until Iraqis finally surrender to the inevitable through the combination of starvation, rampant disease and broken wills, and the required elements for the building of a stable democracy (loss of faith in Islam, loss of loyalty to sect or tribe, obvious superiority of the Western System) present themselves.

Hope this helps.


22 posted on 11/09/2006 9:27:39 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: Reagan Man

Here's a suggestion.....

Stop running a "compassionate" war and let's win this thing. Find a Patton and finish the job.....


23 posted on 11/09/2006 9:29:52 AM PST by LB4BUSH
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To: jmc1969
"I'm open to any idea or suggestion that will help us achieve our goals of defeating the terrorists..."

Real key thing here of why we're in IRAQ. (IMHO only, of course)

1. Create the battlespace of our choosing to engage the terrorists that are in hiding world-wide.

2. This place must be of value to the enemy where they will come from all over the world out their rat-holes and be willing to fight and die for it.

3. Keep them engaged for as long as they are a threat to NYC, San Diego, DC, ETC. (Fight and die over there, not here taking our women and children with them)

Let's see what the Demos have to say about that.

24 posted on 11/09/2006 9:30:22 AM PST by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: jmc1969

Bush has always said he's open for suggestions. The Dems have never had any that would help us win. The only plan they have is to demean the troops and this country with a "cut & run" policy.


25 posted on 11/09/2006 9:32:29 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: jmc1969
 

 

26 posted on 11/09/2006 9:35:56 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: jmc1969

At first all the Iraqis were our enemies, though the shi'ites were being oppressed and just needed a `nudge' to overthrow the baathist sunnis . . .
Now we're fighting shi'ites and sunnis of all stripes.

Suggestions . . . how about standing-off and bombing the living s*** out of them, like it's a real war, as we did in Germany, Japan and Afghanistan?
Then we can give them a bunch of money and we'll all be friends!
(I'd like to be paid now.)


27 posted on 11/09/2006 9:39:43 AM PST by tumblindice ("In this school of war called life, what doesn't kill us makes us stronger." Some dead German)
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To: LB4BUSH
>>>>Stop running a "compassionate" war and let's win this thing.

Worth repeating.

28 posted on 11/09/2006 9:41:11 AM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: rhombus

Exactly!


29 posted on 11/09/2006 9:43:32 AM PST by dawn53
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To: jmc1969

Here's one: "Win!"


30 posted on 11/09/2006 9:46:27 AM PST by pabianice
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To: jmc1969

"I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure..."

Seriously. WTF are we waiting for? We fire bombed Dresden. We nuked Hiroshima. Why is Sadr City still standing? Reduce the entire Sunni triangle to rubble.

31 posted on 11/09/2006 9:49:10 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Clausewitz: "Kind-hearted people might of course think there was some ingenious way to disarm or defeat an enemy without too much bloodshed, and might imagine this is the true goal of the art of war. Pleasant as it sounds, it is a fallacy that must be exposed: war is such a dangerous business that the mistakes which come from kindness are the very worst. The maximum use of force is in no way incompatible with the simultaneous use of the intellect."


32 posted on 11/09/2006 9:58:42 AM PST by tumblindice ("In this school of war called life, what doesn't kill us makes us stronger." Some dead German)
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To: tumblindice

[PS I'm just sore `cause I didn't get offered the job . . . ]


33 posted on 11/09/2006 10:00:52 AM PST by tumblindice ("In this school of war called life, what doesn't kill us makes us stronger." Some dead German)
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To: jmc1969

Why now?


34 posted on 11/09/2006 10:03:02 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: jmc1969

Here's a suggestion for GWB: Kill Mookie al Murdering Sadr, Iran's puppet, without delay, and arrest or kill every member of his Mahdi militia caught roaming the streets with weapons or bullying the Iraqi population. Those people are a constant plague on Iraq and the Coalition troops.


35 posted on 11/09/2006 10:03:27 AM PST by Cecily (`)
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To: rhombus
He's just baiting the Democrats to make stupid suggetions. They have no plan and everyone knows it.

I hope that's the case. We've "misunderestimated" him before. We'll see.

36 posted on 11/09/2006 10:04:41 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: jmc1969

I think Mr Webb has a suggestion.


37 posted on 11/09/2006 10:06:29 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: tumblindice
The way to win a war is to break an enemies will to fight. If you can do that without bloodshed, it is deemed the "best" way to win a war.

Jihadi's don't care if they die. In fact, some welcome the chance to take some of us with them.

Leave them no rock to hide under. No safe haven in which to hide that is "off limits". Undermine their religion and devestate their beliefs.

Coddling the enemy will just get more of us killed.

38 posted on 11/09/2006 10:09:44 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: jmc1969
Oh, that's just great. I can already see the political cartoons.

If I were Tony Snow, I'd get out now...
39 posted on 11/09/2006 10:11:12 AM PST by Antoninus (Fire Ken Mehlman....)
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To: rhombus
He's just baiting the Democrats to make stupid suggetions. They have no plan and everyone knows it.

That doesn't matter. Every failure in the WoT under majority Democrat control will be blamed on Bush--for the next 40 years. Don't you know how these things work?
40 posted on 11/09/2006 10:12:52 AM PST by Antoninus (Fire Ken Mehlman....)
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To: Dead Corpse

Well said! For ex., I've never understood why we allowed Iraqi households, esp. in Anbar province to keep a weapon, usually an AK, and ammo. How many have been used to attack us?
Disarm and withdraw all `friendly' Iraqis, then find a `Curtis LeMay' somewhere in the Air Force, followed by a George Patton. Then sow salt.
One of the "very worst mistakes" (resulting from running a `hearts & minds' compassionate war) from that Cl. quotation: political failure.


41 posted on 11/09/2006 10:16:54 AM PST by tumblindice ("In this school of war called life, what doesn't kill us makes us stronger." Some dead German)
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To: Dead Corpse
Seriously. WTF are we waiting for? We fire bombed Dresden. We nuked Hiroshima. Why is Sadr City still standing? Reduce the entire Sunni triangle to rubble

The Shia are more than happy to do that for free.

42 posted on 11/09/2006 10:17:49 AM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: tumblindice
Unfortunately, such actions are "politically messy" and don't win elections.

Ergo, it'll never happen.

Keep your BoB handy. Things could get "exciting" in a neighborhood near you once the jihadi's are done training up in Hugo's little training camps in Venezuela.

43 posted on 11/09/2006 10:20:04 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Antoninus
That doesn't matter. Every failure in the WoT under majority Democrat control will be blamed on Bush--for the next 40 years. Don't you know how these things work?

Of course. I watched 20 years of blaming Reagan.

44 posted on 11/09/2006 10:24:42 AM PST by rhombus
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To: rhombus
He's just baiting the Democrats to make stupid suggetions

Exactly. Now finally we get to hear what their "plan" is.

The public will see that they don't have one.

45 posted on 11/09/2006 10:25:45 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: jmc1969
"I'm open to any idea or suggestion that will help us achieve our goals of defeating the terrorists and ensuring that Iraq's democratic government succeeds," Bush said in a Rose Garden appearance with members of his Cabinet.

That is the key. No weasel words there.

46 posted on 11/09/2006 10:31:53 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Paloma_55
... is that now there is no political value for the Democrats to oppose the war.

Of course, I am always an optimist..so I might be deluding myself.

I am afraid you are too opimistic. You are under estimating the Democrats' greed for power and lack of concern with this country's welfare. They don't enact liberal social policies for the benefit of the people, they are buying votes to the detriment of the people and extending the reach of the government, which is them when they have their way.

They will keep up the attack on the Republicans up until they steal the 2008 election. Their only plan is to attack the political oppsition rather than defeating any real enemy.

Pelosi will never succeed in disposing of Cheney and Bush and becoming President herself, Hillary won't allow it, but she will muddy them up as much as possible.

47 posted on 11/09/2006 10:39:32 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Paloma_55
It gives us an opportunity to shift tactics dramatically, and this might not be all bad.

Bush can play "Good cop" with the Iraqi government telling them that now the Dems have Congress, the Iraqi government is going to have to really stand up or the Dems (bad cop) will pull the rug out from under him/them.

Yes. we need to be much more sober and realistic in our assessment of what is possible in Iraq. We need to leave an Iraq that is not a breeding ground for terrorists and is a better place than when we invaded. We need to help the Iraqis develop a sense of prosperity so that they have something to work for and something to give their children. Iraqis need jobs and oil revenue. They need to reduce the rampant corruption and find meaningful work We can help with that while respecting their traditions and beliefs. There is no sense setting goals that the Iraqis do not value.

48 posted on 11/09/2006 11:13:53 AM PST by Sunsong
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To: Paradox
I'm sure he is sincere, but you are right, it IS a trap question. He is going to "appease" the democrats to death. Kill them with kindness and cooperation..... for a while.

Killing them with kindness and respect is the right thing to do now. The public wants adults in office. There is no reason we can't be polite, courteous and respectful in our dealings with the dems. It doesn't mean we compromise our principles - it means that we listen, try to understand, try to work together and use a lot of common decency and good humor. I like this:

[[[Blogger Bill Whittle of Eject! Eject! Eject! put an inspiring spin on Republican losses: “I wish to tell my friends to be cheerful and especially to be of good will. Disappointments come and go, but moments of courage and integrity in dark hours will be there when the stars grow cold. We have lost the election, so let us maintain our determination, our dignity and our sense of humor, and let us take this moment to reflect upon how our actions have fallen short of our ideals. And then, finally, let’s act like the Americans we are, roll up our sleeves and start rebuilding. We who have survived the Civil War, the Nazis and the Communists can probably manage to find a way to preserve the Republic in the face of Speaker Pelosi.”]]]

49 posted on 11/09/2006 11:21:01 AM PST by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong
We need to leave an Iraq that is not a breeding ground for terrorists and is a better place than when we invaded. We need to help the Iraqis develop a sense of prosperity so that they have something to work for and something to give their children. Iraqis need jobs and oil revenue. They need to reduce the rampant corruption and find meaningful work We can help with that while respecting their traditions and beliefs.

You seem to have confused the Military with Social Services.

The military is good at 2 things: Killing people and breaking things.

They aren't social workers with machine guns.

This idiotic Neo-Wilsonian Globo-Socialist Nation Building Crap is what is killing us in Iraq.

50 posted on 11/09/2006 11:23:43 AM PST by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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