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Spot-on report describes 3-missile attack (on TWA 800)
WorldNetDaily ^ | 9 November 2006 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 11/09/2006 9:04:16 AM PST by Hal1950

This week I received a communication from retired United Airline Capt. Ray Lahr. It contained two items of great interest – one dollop of good legal news and one unexpected and truly incredible report.

The legal news concerned Ray's success in Los Angeles District Court after years of "long and lonely and expensive" effort. Judge Howard Matz had succinctly mandated that "Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) shall produce to plaintiff the material set forth in Exhibit A and the National Transportation Safety Board shall produce to plaintiff the material set forth in Exhibit B." Significantly, the judge also authorized Lahr attorney John Clarke to file for fees and costs. This is a definite win.

Lahr has been suing for release of the information that the two agencies in question had used to produce their notorious zoom-climb animation subsequent to the 1996 downing of TWA Flight 800 over Long Island – animation that was used to discredit the testimony of hundreds of eyewitnesses, many of them military and aviation personnel. Lahr sees this animation as the Achilles' heel of a consciously skewed investigation, and in this he is correct.

Lahr also sent me a CD review of the case titled merely "TWA Flight 800 Crash Evidence Review," which I will hereafter refer to as "the Review." Before I finished reading it, I sent Lahr an e-mail, which read in part:

"Brilliant work on your explication. I am only halfway through it, but I am totally impressed. Everything else that has gone before it is the work of amateurs, mine included."

The message I got back from Lahr, however, floored me. He did not write this report. He received it anonymously in the mail. I was stunned. The Review in question is the most sophisticated piece of investigative reporting that I have ever read on this or any other crash. The unknown author likely put years into this work. He surely comes from within the aviation community, which may explain his desire for anonymity. He argues crisply, patiently and comprehensively. He provides ample illustration of his contentions and rarely, if ever, does he exceed his knowledge base.

Most impressive is his knowing synthesis of all the available evidence – radar, eyewitness, physical, audio, GPS, debris field – to recreate in detail the flight taken and damage done by each of the missiles fired at TWA Flight 800. What is more, the author uses only the evidence that was available to the National Transportation Safety Board to reach conclusions that they should have reached with the same data.

The Review author believes that based on the debris field alone, "the administration would have known within the first two weeks after the crash that missiles brought down the aircraft." Although prudent in his accusations, he strongly suspects that the long delay in recovering the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder indicates that the decision to misdirect the investigation "actually occurred the night of the disaster." With this conclusion, I fully concur.

No one who reads this Review can doubt for a moment that the government has engaged in a massive misdirection in the gathering of evidence. Every major media outlet owes it to its audience to assign its best technical writer to read and review this work. The one CD includes the entire NTSB report as well.

To make things simple, I will happily provide a copy of the entire Review to any interested major media party. The author asked that the information be shared. Interested observers, who are willing to identify themselves, can obtain a pdf copy of Part I of the Review by contacting me through my website, .

In the weeks to come, I will break down the information into manageable chunks. For now, allow me to summarize the author's approach. The Review is divided into four parts. Each of the first three parts is dedicated to the destructive path of one given missile.

In the way of example, the author argues that the first of the three was a large surface-to-air missile launched from 16 to 22 miles west of the crash site. The missile approached the aircraft on a descending track from the rear and struck it without exploding. The author is very specific in his detail, to wit, "This impact broke the horizontal stabilizer pitch trim jackscrew in tension and caused the aircraft to pitch upward." Not all the writing is this technical, but where specifics are needed, the author does not shy from providing them.

The fourth part, and the one least supported by existing evidence, is dedicated to other unidentified objects in the sky that night. The author makes the public relations mistake of calling them UFOs. What he means are unidentified aircraft. They do not come from outer space. I will call them UACs.

In the book "First Strike," James Sanders and I argue that a UAC may very well have been in the mix, and that UAC may have been a terrorist plane. The author, too, believes that a UAC was in the mix as well as three missiles, but he does not believe that the UAC was a manned aircraft. He makes a compelling argument that the UAC information that the FBI gathered was so hot that it was simply not allowed in to the official record. Every now and then, however, some information bled in accidentally. The most obvious example of the same was a photo taken by Linda Kabot that seemed to show a slender cylindrical object flying away from the scene of the crash.

Wisely, the author refrains from saying who fired the missiles or launched the aircraft, although the evidence strongly leads away from anything but a highly sophisticated military operation. It is possible that terrorist involvement may have gone no deeper than warnings given and credit claimed. Someone in Washington knows just how deep that involvement was.

The author argues that an independent panel from outside Washington is essential to conduct a new investigation. "Otherwise," he contends, "the same insider influences in both political parties, who have prevented the truth from being revealed previously, would control the investigation's outcome."

In the best of all possible worlds, Ray Lahr's case may just crack open the official door.


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1 posted on 11/09/2006 9:04:18 AM PST by Hal1950
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To: Hal1950

A Klintoon Kover-up of monumental proportions, IMHO........


2 posted on 11/09/2006 9:08:05 AM PST by Red Badger (New! HeadOn Hemorrhoid Medication for Liberals!.........Apply directly to forehead.........)
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To: Rokke

Ping - TWA800


3 posted on 11/09/2006 9:13:08 AM PST by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: Red Badger

My question has always been "who on that airplane did Clinton want dead"?

Only the military could have mounted such a sophisticated mid-air strike. The sky and waters were full of military assets that beat a hasty retreat after the plane went down.


4 posted on 11/09/2006 9:15:14 AM PST by rootntootn (Kerry lied, millions died)
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To: Hal1950

I've always had a hard time believing the cover-up theory. What exactly was the motivation? To prevent the need to a military response against militant Islam? To prevent panic? To prevent the country blaming Clinton for allowing it to happen? I suppose all three of these theories have been bandied about, but, I'm sorry, none of them seem convincing to me.


5 posted on 11/09/2006 9:15:40 AM PST by dinoparty
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To: Hal1950

TWA 800, Oklahoma City Bombing, Chinese campain money, and so forth, all covered up in the interest of a New Tone.


6 posted on 11/09/2006 9:17:04 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (This tagline has been suspended or banned.)
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To: Hal1950
The missile approached the aircraft on a descending track from the rear and struck it without exploding.

That's convenient, since it eliminates the evidence of explosion or fragmentation on the outside of the aircraft. Surface to air missiles of that era had proximity fused warheads. I find it hard to believe this was a hit-to-kill mechanism like THAAD or PAC-3, since the Clinton administration killed the missile defense projects. So who did this and why would the Clinton admin cover it up?

7 posted on 11/09/2006 9:20:13 AM PST by edpc (Violence is ALWAYS a solution. Maybe not the right one....but a solution nonetheless)
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To: dinoparty

Considering the election was only 3 months away, it's plausible there was ample reason to make sure people didn't think a terrorist attack downed that plane. Remember, bill was running on "PEACE and Prosperity". How would he be able to reconcile that so-called peace with an attack?


8 posted on 11/09/2006 9:21:27 AM PST by threeleftsmakearight
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To: Hal1950

Everyone refers to TWA 800 as a terror attack. No one will be surprised if it is incontrovertibly proven.


9 posted on 11/09/2006 9:22:46 AM PST by OldFriend (Run and Hide, Tax and Spend for the next two years. Everyone happy?)
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To: dinoparty

I guess the thing to do is to examine (or re-examine) the apparently excellent evidence for a missile attack and worry about WHY later.


10 posted on 11/09/2006 9:22:56 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: dinoparty
What exactly was the motivation?

That's the main question I have after reading this thread.
11 posted on 11/09/2006 9:23:06 AM PST by RedCell ("...thou shalt kill thine enemy before he killeth you by any means available" - Dick Marcinko)
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To: edpc

This government leaks like a sieve. If something this monstrous happened due to government action, it certainly would have been leaked by someone. This sounds like the theories about the US government blowing up the twin towers and shooting a missile into the Pentagon. This goes beyond tinfoil hat. More like titanium hat!


12 posted on 11/09/2006 9:23:43 AM PST by ruffedgrouse (Think outside the box, dammit!)
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To: Hal1950
I have NO DOUBT that that flight was brought down by a surface to air missile. NO DOUBT. The government covered it up and LIED to you. Other credible sources with knowledge have said the same - that KNOW what went on.

Today, surface to air missile incidents are not unheard of. It's accepted. THEN it wasn't so well known and of course they wanted to protect the sheeple with a sense of false security.
13 posted on 11/09/2006 9:24:07 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: rootntootn
Only the military could have mounted such a sophisticated mid-air strike. The sky and waters were full of military assets that beat a hasty retreat after the plane went down.

Since sailors and airmen are human, there is no way that at least one (and likely many) crewmen would not have come forward with the information, top secret be damned!

And exactly the same if it was a horrible accident during war games.

14 posted on 11/09/2006 9:25:27 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: edpc
The missile approached the aircraft on a descending track from the rear and struck it without exploding.

Weird. I'm just about done re-reading Nelson DeMille and Thomas Block's Mayday. Similar thing happened. Anyone ever read that one?
15 posted on 11/09/2006 9:26:27 AM PST by RedCell ("...thou shalt kill thine enemy before he killeth you by any means available" - Dick Marcinko)
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To: Hal1950
"In the best of all possible worlds, Ray Lahr's case may just crack open the official door."

No, Klinton slammed the door shut and GWB is a lame duck. In no form will Demoncrats who control the House and the Senate allow any cover up to be exposed under their scumbag of a leader, Klinton.
16 posted on 11/09/2006 9:26:29 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: ruffedgrouse

I agree. I haven't seen anything remotely convincing. The theories, in my opinion, belong on an Alex Jones blog.....not here.


17 posted on 11/09/2006 9:27:02 AM PST by edpc (Violence is ALWAYS a solution. Maybe not the right one....but a solution nonetheless)
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To: JimRed

IAWTP! People talk, and many would be willing to sell a story that sensational for mega-bucks IF IT WERE TRUE.


18 posted on 11/09/2006 9:27:10 AM PST by ruffedgrouse (Think outside the box, dammit!)
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To: ruffedgrouse
"This goes beyond tinfoil hat. More like titanium hat!

I agree. This is the kind of moonbat morass the leftists have fallen into over the last 5 years. Let's not waste our energy with pointless speculation.

19 posted on 11/09/2006 9:29:00 AM PST by Parmenio
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To: Red Badger
"A Klintoon Kover-up of monumental proportions, IMHO........"

Mine too, but not because it was something ala Ron Brown, but because Clinton would never want the stigma of "terrorism" staining (excuse the pun) his watch. I have always believed that the plane was taken down by a shoulder held grenade launcher(s) and is/was the work of Al Qaeda. I think the evidence pointed in that direction, Clinton admin. officials knew it and the word came down to squelch any reference to terror so as not to instill any panic which might get chalked up to Clinton and tarnish his "legacy". Recall what he looked like with Chris Wallace, the man KNOWS he was responsible (or irresponsible may be a better description) regarding the spread of terror in the '90's but he'll go down swinging to deny it!!

20 posted on 11/09/2006 9:30:27 AM PST by soozla ("It is God's job to judge the terrorists....it is our job to arrange the meeting" - U.S. Marines)
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To: ruffedgrouse
If something this monstrous happened due to government action, it certainly would have been leaked by someone.

On the other hand, if something like this occured due to government inaction (read terrorist strike) it would, and could, be kept quiet. It wouldn't be leaked due to the inept parties not wanting to be known.

21 posted on 11/09/2006 9:30:49 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Hal1950
Just curious. When the IslamoNazi's do a terrorist act they always brag about it. Why have they not done so in this case? I mean I can't remember hearing any claims from them.
22 posted on 11/09/2006 9:33:02 AM PST by reagandemo (The battle is near are you ready for the sacrifice?)
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To: rootntootn

My question has always been "who on that airplane did Clinton want dead"?
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Put no suspicion past the epitome-of-evil pair....


23 posted on 11/09/2006 9:34:48 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Hal1950
he author argues that the first of the three was a large surface-to-air missile launched from 16 to 22 miles west of the crash site.

That would put the launch site on or near Fire Island. There would certainly be some witnesses to the missle launches on a July evening.

24 posted on 11/09/2006 9:35:04 AM PST by MediaMole (9/11 - We have already forgotten.)
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To: Hal1950

Moonbats.


25 posted on 11/09/2006 9:36:33 AM PST by bkepley
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To: ruffedgrouse

I'm with you. If more than one person was involved in such a monumental cover-up, someone would have leaked. It's human nature and second nature to politicos (right after lying).

No way could this have been kept a secret.


26 posted on 11/09/2006 9:36:40 AM PST by fritzthecat (I only regret my economies)
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To: Hal1950
Why didn't they just call the Acme Missile Detection Agency and get Super Snooper to track it........

Oh, wait! That's probably where the mysterious CD came from.

Well that proves it for me.

I really thought it was the UFO's Death Ray up until now.

27 posted on 11/09/2006 9:36:46 AM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: Hal1950

Where is the investigative piece?


28 posted on 11/09/2006 9:41:38 AM PST by yoe
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To: Hal1950

You can bet if it was a repub Prez in control at the time. Never would a cover up been allowed to happen.


29 posted on 11/09/2006 9:42:16 AM PST by dforest (be careful you don't become what you hate the most)
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To: rootntootn
My question has always been "who on that airplane did Clinton want dead"?

What if it was a revenge attack by Iran for the accidentally shooting down of one of their passenger planes? Odd how these things seem to happen in balanced pairs...

30 posted on 11/09/2006 9:43:30 AM PST by GOPJ (The MSM is so busy kissing democrat butt they can't see straight - come up for air guys.)
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To: ruffedgrouse

I agree. "Who" and "why" remain unanswered. We have a possible how - but then ruptured fuel lines also appear as a possible "how". After the last few years I cannot imagine how something like this remained "suppressed".


31 posted on 11/09/2006 9:44:22 AM PST by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: Hal1950

What about the Navy's order to destroy all P-3 laser cannons, secretly issued shortly after the shoot down?


32 posted on 11/09/2006 9:45:16 AM PST by pabianice
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To: Hal1950
I am personally skeptical of deep dark conspiracy theories. The "professionalism" of a document may just mean that the author had a lot of time on his hands.

In design and analysis the rule is to go with the simplest answer that fits the requirements. In this case, it is a single terrorist firing a single missile downing the jet. This was followed by a Clinton administration which refused to acknowledge the existence of a domestic terrorism threat.

BTW: I have slightly more than a passing interest in this story. I still keep an old boarding pass of mine pinned to my cube wall:

TW0800 Y JFK CDG
SEAT 24-4 SMOKING NO
19MAR96
33 posted on 11/09/2006 9:46:09 AM PST by the_Watchman
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To: Hal1950

Some will say I am crazy, but I am almost positive someone showed on a news channel the radar data that showed TWA 800 and something intersecting with it, then both disappeared on one of the news shows shortly after it happened?


34 posted on 11/09/2006 9:48:52 AM PST by pnz1 (Pray for our troops-they need it now more than ever..)
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To: rootntootn
Considering one of the C-130's that transported his limousine and other things crashed in Wyoming and killed some of his secret service personnel and many more of his personnel perished in his 8-year tenure, I wonder if one of his agents was on that plane? Seems it wasn't healthy to be a SA in his administration.
35 posted on 11/09/2006 9:49:33 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Hal1950

My head hurts...


36 posted on 11/09/2006 9:50:14 AM PST by dakine
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To: OldFriend
Everyone refers to TWA 800 as a terror attack.

I refer to it as an accidental center fuel tank explosion, myself.

Watch who you're speaking for.

37 posted on 11/09/2006 9:50:22 AM PST by Strategerist (Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves)
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To: edpc

We know from other stories that Sandy Berger and Jamie Goerlick met and determined this should be deemed an accident. Why the NTSB went along is strange, but I found it interesting then and still do that Robert Francis and others retired right after the investigation ended.


38 posted on 11/09/2006 9:52:08 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: ruffedgrouse

Yet Jana Davis dug up incontravertable evidence that OKCity was terrorist-related and to this day, even with her book and quite a few TV and radio interviews, the real media never took that ball and ran with it. Sometimes the truth hides in plain sight.


39 posted on 11/09/2006 9:54:36 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: rootntootn
Only the military could have mounted such a sophisticated mid-air strike. The sky and waters were full of military assets that beat a hasty retreat after the plane went down.

Now that I'm retired, I can tell you exactly what happened and what part the Navy played...































None. Go play with your "Bush and Chaney faked the 9/11 attacks and blew up the WTC" friends.

40 posted on 11/09/2006 9:55:13 AM PST by GATOR NAVY
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To: RedCell; dinoparty
One of the things I remember from when this happened is that Flight 800 was not scheduled to take off at that time.

There was some delay at the airport, and apparently an airplane heading to Israel with mostly Israelis aboard was scheduled to take off at that time.

Because of he delay, Flight 800 took off late at the time the other plane was scheduled.

So if that is correct it could have been targeted for that reason by Anti-Israel terrorists.

Just my recollection.
41 posted on 11/09/2006 9:56:03 AM PST by Syncro
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To: Arizona Carolyn
We know from other stories that Sandy Berger and Jamie Goerlick met and determined this should be deemed an accident.

Yeah, OK....but looking at the evidence at hand and calling it an accident is a long way from huddling and covering up the fact it was something else. Maybe I just have conspiracy fatigue.

42 posted on 11/09/2006 9:57:04 AM PST by edpc (Violence is ALWAYS a solution. Maybe not the right one....but a solution nonetheless)
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To: rootntootn
"Only the military could have mounted such a sophisticated mid-air strike."

I don't believe that anyone in the military would shot down a passenger airline (excepted one controlled by terrorist). And if they believed that is what they were doing, they would not keep it a secret.
43 posted on 11/09/2006 9:57:40 AM PST by MPJackal ("If you are not with us, you are against us.")
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To: rootntootn
Only the military could have mounted such a sophisticated mid-air strike. The sky and waters were full of military assets that beat a hasty retreat after the plane went down.

You obviously didn't get the secret memo that was sent out to all the TWA 800 Loonjobs on 9/12/2001.

You're supposed to completely forget and ignore the "Navy Shot it down" theory like it was never mentioned, and completely switch to "terrorists shot it down" since it's an easier and more popular sell.

44 posted on 11/09/2006 9:57:50 AM PST by Strategerist (Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves)
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To: nmh

This article is crap. Nothing more nothing less.


45 posted on 11/09/2006 9:58:56 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: MediaMole

Well if your counting on the FIRE ISLAND crowd they all would have been in bed with each other by that time of the night having a GAY OLE time."

"That would put the launch site on or near Fire Island. There would certainly be some witnesses to the missle launches on a July evening"


46 posted on 11/09/2006 9:59:10 AM PST by ncfool (2008 will be our year!)
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To: Strategerist

I agree
way too many people would have had to be involved to keep this quiet
as an earlier post so well stated, government leaks like a sieve
this isn't the era of the Manhattan project


47 posted on 11/09/2006 9:59:51 AM PST by nascarnation
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To: pabianice

And where did that "fact" come from?


48 posted on 11/09/2006 10:01:19 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: nascarnation
The other thing is, you can't simultaneously believe the Clinton Administration was a bunch of bumbling incompentents, AND also evil geniuses.

And the idea of the NTSB being somehow the repeated core of government coverups is laughable to me.

49 posted on 11/09/2006 10:01:32 AM PST by Strategerist (Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves)
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To: nascarnation

I it was BDE.........

Before Drudge Era! :-)


50 posted on 11/09/2006 10:01:49 AM PST by ncfool (2008 will be our year!)
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