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ADULT Cell Transplants Restore Vision in Mice
WLEX-TV ^ | 11.08.06 | E.J. Mundell

Posted on 11/09/2006 6:51:31 PM PST by Coleus

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1 posted on 11/09/2006 6:51:32 PM PST by Coleus
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To: DaveLoneRanger; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; ..


2 posted on 11/09/2006 6:52:22 PM PST by Coleus (I Support Research using the Ethical, Effective and Moral use of stem cells: non-embryonic "adult")
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To: Coleus

Title is incorrect and false.


3 posted on 11/09/2006 6:53:12 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: UpAllNight
Title is incorrect and false.

So this is an cure/therapy with embryonic stem cells?
If so, wow!
4 posted on 11/09/2006 6:54:58 PM PST by VOA
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To: UpAllNight

how do you know?


5 posted on 11/09/2006 6:55:55 PM PST by Vinny
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To: Coleus

Well, the PC crowd will now demand that the song "Three Blind Mice" be banned.


6 posted on 11/09/2006 6:56:18 PM PST by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: Coleus

previous related thread

Blind mice treated with stem cells regain sight
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1735213/posts


7 posted on 11/09/2006 6:57:11 PM PST by VOA
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To: Vinny

--how do you know?--

I clicked on the link.


8 posted on 11/09/2006 6:57:29 PM PST by UpAllNight
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6120664.stm

To get human retinal cells at the same stage of development, however, would involve taking stem cells from a foetus during the second trimester of pregnancy.

But Dr Robert MacLaren, a specialist at Moorfields Eye Hospital who worked on the research, said they did not want to go down that route.

He said the aim now would be to look at adult stem cells to see if they could be genetically altered to behave like the mouse retinal cells.

There are some cells on the margin of adult retinas that have been identified as having stem cell-like properties, which the team says could be suitable.

Dr MacLaren stressed it would be some time before patients could benefit from such a treatment, but he said that at least it was now a possibility.


9 posted on 11/09/2006 6:58:06 PM PST by Coleus (I Support Research using the Ethical, Effective and Moral use of stem cells: non-embryonic "adult")
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To: Coleus

Correct Title: Cell Transplants Restore Vision in Mice


10 posted on 11/09/2006 6:59:39 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: Coleus

Unfortunately, their tails were cut off later in the day by a carving-knife wielding farmer's wife.


11 posted on 11/09/2006 6:59:57 PM PST by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: Coleus

Experiment with embryonic stem cells injected into Micheal J. Fox.


12 posted on 11/09/2006 7:00:44 PM PST by bmwcyle (The snake is loose in the garden and Eve just bit the apple.)
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To: Coleus

This doesn't promote the cause of destroying unborn children! We can't have this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

/mjfox off


13 posted on 11/09/2006 7:01:47 PM PST by KoRn
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To: Coleus
Scientists say they've restored the vision of blind mice

Dare I suggest that in the study, n=3?

14 posted on 11/09/2006 7:01:56 PM PST by TN4Liberty (Sixty percent of all people understand statistics. The other half are clueless.)
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To: Coleus
"...The finding also gets around the thorny ethical question of
using embryonic stem cells
. In fact, MacLaren said, "we do
not want embryonic stem cells because they are too undifferentiated."


Shoot, those ethical questions went out the window here in Missouri
when we were effectively told that we'd kill Michael J. Fox if
we didn't vote for Amendment 2.

The writer of this article is behind the times.
(/sarc)
15 posted on 11/09/2006 7:04:28 PM PST by VOA
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To: UpAllNight
The real issue is what we are going to do about adult individuals who have demonstrated that they have superior stem cells for some purpose.

Millions of lives may be saved or extended if we can just sacrifice the holders of those superior stem cells.

Michael J. Fox might stop jerking around and Rush Limbaugh might hear without equipment.

Nancy Pelosi could grow a new face, which she sorely needs.

Obviously we have some laws to change first.

16 posted on 11/09/2006 7:07:17 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: UpAllNight

What exactly do you think is misleading? Be more specific.


17 posted on 11/09/2006 7:09:16 PM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin
we are transplanting cells at the exact time that they are destined to become photoreceptors -- i.e., they are past the point of no return,"

Seems the cells he's using are LINEAGE cells --they are no longer totipotent (are not embryonic) and have committed to a specific lineage.

In fact, it seems to me he's SPECIFICALLY saying that earlier efforts using ES cells were problematic and that that's why they're NOT doing that, this time 'round.

Feedback?

18 posted on 11/09/2006 7:12:01 PM PST by gaijin
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Cell Transplants Restore Vision in Mice

Oh, OK. Yeah, I'd be cool with that. I mean, when people hear, "adult stem cells" they just hear the "stem" part only and freak out, so....I'd be cool with "cell transplants".

In fact, they should have used that terminology from the beginning, to avoid ethnical sensibilities/public ignorance.

19 posted on 11/09/2006 7:15:12 PM PST by gaijin
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To: BOBWADE

ping


20 posted on 11/09/2006 7:15:59 PM PST by zip (((Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough become truth to 48% of all Americans (NRA)))))
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To: gaijin

--In fact, it seems to me he's SPECIFICALLY saying that earlier efforts using ES cells were problematic and that that's why they're NOT doing that, this time 'round.

Feedback?




You left out Adult Stem Cells in your above statement.


21 posted on 11/09/2006 7:21:18 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: gaijin

--What exactly do you think is misleading? Be more specific.---

The above title has the word "ADULT" when in fact the cells were not taken from an adult nor are they adult stem cells. Seems the poster wants to imply something that is not true.


22 posted on 11/09/2006 7:23:03 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: UpAllNight
Did you perhaps think that "fetal stem cells" were different from "adult stem cells"?
23 posted on 11/09/2006 7:25:11 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: UpAllNight

the term "adult" indicates the cells were not taken from embryos. the term "adult" is also used to indicate cells from umbilical cord blood, placenta and amniotic fluid. From under what rock did you just craw out? I did not say these were stem cells. Many freepers have requested from me that I use the term Adult in titles when referring to non-embryoic cells. I have yet to see you post any threads of value on the free republic, just comments that have no substance. You are being very silly and pathetic and have not contributed to this cause.


24 posted on 11/09/2006 7:36:01 PM PST by Coleus (I Support Research using the Ethical, Effective and Moral use of stem cells: non-embryonic "adult")
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To: Coleus

I see you did not challenge the accuracy of my post.


25 posted on 11/09/2006 7:47:00 PM PST by UpAllNight
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--Did you perhaps think that "fetal stem cells" were different from "adult stem cells"?--

I do not know what you are referring to.


26 posted on 11/09/2006 7:47:58 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: UpAllNight
The stem cells were taken from mice most of the way along toward full development for birth. Those cells really can't be differentiated from "adult stem cells".

The researchers said they wanted to pick them up a little bit earlier in the life cycle and then work them through to what amounts to an adult status ~ just as it happens.

They are attempting to avoid working with celltypes (embryonic stem cells) that cause cancer.

27 posted on 11/09/2006 7:53:44 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Vinny
"how do you know?"

Because he just signed up 6 days ago.

28 posted on 11/09/2006 7:54:43 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: muawiyah

--The stem cells --

They weren't stem cells.


29 posted on 11/09/2006 7:56:50 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: UpAllNight

You can call them what you want, but there they were ~ doing what stem cells do.


30 posted on 11/09/2006 8:02:29 PM PST by muawiyah
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--You can call them what you want, but there they were ~ doing what stem cells do.--

No. Stem cells are undifferentiated.


31 posted on 11/09/2006 8:03:13 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: UpAllNight
Stem cells are NOT undifferentiated ~ there are specific stem cells for production of celltypes for certain organs or tissues.

Embryonic "stem cells" are undifferentiated, and to a degree they can do anything they wish, and no one seems to be able to do anything about it.

You go injecting embryonic stem cells into the brains of the handicapped they are going to develop into cancer.

You know that.

32 posted on 11/09/2006 8:07:24 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

--Stem cells are NOT undifferentiated ~ --

Perhaps you should check your references ...


33 posted on 11/09/2006 8:12:53 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: UpAllNight
I see that you are pathetic and don't understand English. Someone needs to get a life.
34 posted on 11/09/2006 8:16:28 PM PST by Coleus (I Support Research using the Ethical, Effective and Moral use of stem cells: non-embryonic "adult")
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To: muawiyah

--Those cells really can't be differentiated from "adult stem cells". --

They can easily be differientiated from "adult stem cells" as these were differentiated and adult stem cells are NOT differentiated.


35 posted on 11/09/2006 8:19:14 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: UpAllNight
Just being consistent with the definitions posted at Wikipedia, I think you are trying to use "differentiate" in place of several other terms.

There's a continuum of development in stemcells, and various terms have been invented to more or less indicate the level of development.

Might be better to use those terms than to mess around with "differentiate" ~ particularly since that term has a quite ordinary meaning related to how I or you might see different things.

36 posted on 11/10/2006 6:50:44 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I am using NIH definitions.


37 posted on 11/10/2006 9:16:21 PM PST by UpAllNight
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--Just being consistent with the definitions posted at Wikipedia, I think you are trying to use "differentiate" in place of several other terms.--

Wikipedia:

Stem cells are primal cells that retain the ability to renew themselves through cell division and can differentiate into a wide range of specialized cell types.
...
Adult stem cells are undifferentiated cells found throughout the body that divide to replenish dying cells and regenerate damaged tissues.


38 posted on 11/10/2006 9:34:36 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: muawiyah
Nancy Pelosi could grow a new face, which she sorely needs.

She's already two faced...

39 posted on 11/10/2006 9:40:43 PM PST by null and void ("Jihad" just means "[My] Struggle", but then again, so does "Mein Kampf"...)
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To: UpAllNight
Alas, adult stem cells already come in a variety of forms ~ which is the usage I applied to the situation. Wikipedia's definition seems to be leading you to believe that embryonic and adult stem cells are identical in form and nature.

They are not.

40 posted on 11/11/2006 9:58:16 AM PST by muawiyah
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I have spoken to many different academic researchers working with industry on the use of stem cells for degenerative joint conditions. They tell me that there is no interest in embryonic cells. Any embroyonic implantation introduces another person's DNA with unknown long term risks and ramifications. An embroyonic product would be essentially a drug with all the crushing FDA drug regulations, with additional embryonic regulation and risk.

Actual development is directed towards harvesting the patient's own blood marrow, processing blood marrow in the operating room to extract the patient's own stem cells. These cells will be injected into the target joint. This all will take place in one procedure within the confines of the O.R.

Any clinical material either entering or leaving the O.R., triggers massive regulatory requirements. A device entering the O.R. that rearranges the patient's own cells is to the FDA only a device, which incurs a mere fraction of the regulatory burden.

41 posted on 11/11/2006 11:10:32 AM PST by Plutarch
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"So this is an cure/therapy with embryonic stem cells?
If so, wow!"

No...here is the important factoid from the article....

"In the experiment, his team harvested these photoreceptor precursor cells from the retinas of newborn mice, whose eyes were still developing."

These were not embryonic stem cells.


42 posted on 11/11/2006 11:13:41 AM PST by Scotswife
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"The above title has the word "ADULT" when in fact the cells were not taken from an adult nor are they adult stem cells. Seems the poster wants to imply something that is not true."

The term "adult stem cells" does not mean the cells have to come from an adult.
The term is used to refer to sources of stem cells that do not come from embryos.
Lately however, I've noticed that umbilical cord cells are being referred to as "cord cells" - but I've also seen them be referred to as adult stem cells as well.

The cells in this experiment did not come from an embryonic source.


43 posted on 11/11/2006 11:17:26 AM PST by Scotswife
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These were not embryonic stem cells.

Thanks. That is what I concluded after a couple of re-reads.

I just wanted to be fair and let one of the forum's ESC promoters
gloat...if indeed some ESCs had finally been tamed.
44 posted on 11/11/2006 11:28:22 AM PST by VOA
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To: VOA

"I just wanted to be fair and let one of the forum's ESC promoters
gloat...if indeed some ESCs had finally been tamed."

If cancerous tumors produced by embryonic stem cells don't tame them, I don't know what will.


45 posted on 11/11/2006 11:31:12 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: muawiyah

--Wikipedia's definition seems to be leading you to believe that embryonic and adult stem cells are identical in form and nature. They are not.--

You keep making statements about me that are incorrect. Please stay with the facts.


46 posted on 11/11/2006 4:11:24 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: Scotswife

-The cells in this experiment did not come from an embryonic source.--

They are not adult stem cells. Over and out.


47 posted on 11/11/2006 4:12:35 PM PST by UpAllNight
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"They are not adult stem cells. Over and out."

According to you.
Somehow I think I'll rely on the scientists definitions.



48 posted on 11/11/2006 5:14:21 PM PST by Scotswife
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""They are not adult stem cells. Over and out."



According to you.
Somehow I think I'll rely on the scientists definitions.


Somehow, you are confused. These are not adult stem cells as defined by the NIH and other scientific sources.


49 posted on 11/11/2006 5:17:08 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: UpAllNight

I found this site gave helpful info...

http://www.innovitaresearch.org/news/03121401.html


The article posted for this thread suggests that stem cells later reach a stage where they have "committed" themselves to particular type of growth.

Is this what you are disputing? That once the cells became receptive to light they no longer fit the definition?


50 posted on 11/11/2006 5:33:20 PM PST by Scotswife
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