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Meet Dan Boren, the lone Democrat in Oklahoma's Congressional Delegation (may challenge Pelosi)
A friend at OU who is close to the family ^ | 10 November 2006 | A friend at OU who is close to the family

Posted on 11/10/2006 12:41:34 PM PST by Vigilanteman

Nothing concrete yet and don't get your hopes up . . . but I have heard from a reliable source at Oklahoma University who is close to the Boren family (father is former senator, governor and current president of the university; son is the lone Democrat in the congressional delegation representing the state's easternmost counties) that many people in the District have family serving in the military in Iraq who have contacted his office and expressed extreme reservations about turning over control of key national security committees to national security risks.

Pelosi is holding firm on her pledge to reorganize the house based on strict seniority, including turnover of chairmanship of the house intelligence committee to Congressman A. Hastings of Florida, an impeached federal judge who was convicted for bribery and judicial malfeasance on a near-unanimous vote when the Democrats controlled both houses of congress.

If Pelosi does not compromise on national security related committees, then Boren is said to be considering a challenge to her as speaker.

This is not an idle threat. Boren is a member of the Blue Dog Democrat coalition, a group which could have as many as 50 members once the new freshman class is sworn in.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Oklahoma; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: boren; pelosi; speaker
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Boren's ACU Rating is 64%, exactly the same as Arlen Specter's. Not great, but one of the best donkey ratings in the house. Since many of the votes rated are along party procedural lines or CYA votes for bills with overwhelming support/opposition along party lines, he is actually better than Specter by far.

So far, this hasn't hit news as far as I am aware. There is no way all the Blue Dogs would stick with Boren on a challenge because many of them, particularly in the new freshman class, are beholden to George Soros for their election. Another batch of them are fake moderates to give them coverage in a fairly conservative housedistrict.

However, even with undecided house races, the Dems will hold no more than about a 15 seat majority, meaning that if one-third of the Blue Dogs and the Republicans combine, Boren would be the next speaker.

Anyone who has a Blue Dog representative, a potential Blue Dog or even a wavering or spineless Republican as a congressman should be contacted a.s.a.p. to support the Boren plan . . . or Boren rumor as it is currently unconfirmed as being anything other than a trial balloon.

1 posted on 11/10/2006 12:41:36 PM PST by Vigilanteman
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To: Vigilanteman

Sounds like too good a man. Hasn't got a chance.


2 posted on 11/10/2006 12:43:23 PM PST by RexBeach ("Important principles may, and must be, inflexible." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Vigilanteman

There's no way this can happen. Too many facist-left RATS want to poke us all in the butt with a Pelosi.


3 posted on 11/10/2006 12:45:48 PM PST by samtheman
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To: RexBeach

I don't know. If the stories coming out be true, and I admit that's a bit 'if', Pelosi is planning some revenge against some of the moderate Democrats that disagreed with her from time to time. And if she does that then she's going to cause a huge rift in the party. If that happens the a moderate like Boren might be able to gather enough support around him to overthrow her.


4 posted on 11/10/2006 12:47:15 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Vigilanteman

Wouldn't that be sweet! Especially considering that I heard Pelosi referring to herself as Speaker already.


5 posted on 11/10/2006 12:47:30 PM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (Batting .000 in Illinois)
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To: Vigilanteman

I will say this now. ANY democrat who votes against Pelosi, and then votes to his principles and what they promised, I will seriously consider supporting THEM in the next election.

All of you republicans who just voted in democrats in heavily republican districts, (whether YOU voted that way or not), now's your chance. Write to your NEW congressman, push for support for Boren for Speaker. This will send a message to our troops.


6 posted on 11/10/2006 12:48:25 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Vigilanteman

I would love to do this as a put-up-or-shut-up deal to alleged moderate to conservative Dems. Here's a scenario I dreamed up, and I was wondering if anyone could tell me if it's plausible or feasible:

Republicans make a deal with conservative Dems whereby they throw their support behind one of the conservative Dems to become speaker. In exchange, Republicans and conservative Dems share committee chairs and essentially govern as one party until the next election.


7 posted on 11/10/2006 12:49:45 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (http://lonestarconservative.blogspot.com/2006/11/open-letter-to-moderate-voters.html)
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To: Vigilanteman
When in Washington, do as Washington does!

When a citizen in the U.S. of A.,

do as special interest dictates, via Washington!

8 posted on 11/10/2006 12:50:04 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: samtheman

Remember, speaker is voted on by the entire house. We only need 12 democrats to vote with a unified republican vote and Boren could be speaker.

I'm not sure though if that would effect who gets majority positions on committees, I don't think that's a SPEAKER job, that's a majority leader job, which I presume would still be Pelosi if she didn't get speaker.

BTW, they could also put someone at Speaker that is NOT a member of the house.


9 posted on 11/10/2006 12:50:16 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Non-Sequitur

You hit on the silver lining. Pelosi and the liberal kooks cannot help themselves, they've been salivating over this, and they are not going to give up their hold on the Democratic Party without a fight. Even better than one-party GOP rule, is to once and for all, removing the hold that the left wingnuts have had on the Democratic party for the past 35+ years.


10 posted on 11/10/2006 12:50:25 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: CharlesWayneCT
All of you republicans who just voted in democrats in heavily republican districts, (whether YOU voted that way or not), now's your chance. Write to your NEW congressman, push for support for Boren for Speaker. This will send a message to our troops.

I totally agree with your assessment and mentioned this a day or two ago...at least the fact that Pelosi as speaker is NOT a done deal. Pelosi is awfully volatile and divisive. I don't think her own party can trust her.

11 posted on 11/10/2006 12:51:18 PM PST by madison10 (Live your life in such a way that the preacher won't have to lie at your funeral.)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

I'm telling you, you are going to now see President Bush in his true element, he is going to do everything he can to create that wedge.


12 posted on 11/10/2006 12:52:00 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

I don't think the speakership governs majority/minority status. I could be wrong. I think majority/minority is already set by the caucus, unless democrats actually vote with the CAUCUS of the other party on the organizational rules, and I can't imagine the democrats would ORGANIZE with the republicans.

It's a pipe dream, but there's no reason why Pelosi should automatically get to be speaker -- Livingston was next in line for speaker, and he was knocked off by a minor personal scandal.


13 posted on 11/10/2006 12:52:35 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: dfwgator

But Bush already played kissy-face with Pelosi.....


14 posted on 11/10/2006 12:53:26 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Please. You don't think President Bush has scruples of his own? Give it time, wait and see.


15 posted on 11/10/2006 12:54:38 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Vigilanteman
I know the Blue Dogs can't stand Pelosi. Maybe the Blue Dogs will bring up her socialist ties.....Naw.
16 posted on 11/10/2006 12:54:51 PM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: dfwgator

Assuming Nancy gives him back his 'nads...


17 posted on 11/10/2006 12:55:15 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: armymarinemom

It's going to be fun trying to watch the Rats handle their new big tent.


18 posted on 11/10/2006 12:55:28 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Non-Sequitur

That would be sweet to see.

Once upon a time, I used to be a Democrat - and for a living! Of course, I grew up as soon as I had to meet a payroll!

The Dems can really turn on each other with great enthusiasm.

It's a rather large "if," however.

Keep the faith. This is just getting started!

Viva conservatives!


19 posted on 11/10/2006 12:56:11 PM PST by RexBeach ("Important principles may, and must be, inflexible." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Vigilanteman
There will be a better a chance that I will see marshmallow pies with marmalade skies.

LOL! It is funny how you all think that nancy pelosi is not going to be Speaker.

She will be Speaker and those of you that voted for these so-called "conservative new dems" will have buyers remorse.

20 posted on 11/10/2006 12:57:44 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
This is a Democratic Party issue.

The Left is not going to let their moderate wing control anything.

21 posted on 11/10/2006 12:58:50 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Don't you think he's playing kissy-face for a reason? Splitting the Dems while they control Congress would be brilliant. There are some Dems who have more in common with Republicans than they do with Teddy, John Fn, Nancy and Barney.

They might be as unhappy at the way THEIR party has leaned as we are with ours. There may be a middle ground. I doubt it, but it's a thought.


22 posted on 11/10/2006 12:59:03 PM PST by madison10 (Live your life in such a way that the preacher won't have to lie at your funeral.)
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To: Vigilanteman
I have already contacted Rep. Boren's office about this. He is my Representative and very conservative. Pro-life, pro-gun, pro-God.....seriously, he is as conservative as they come. I told him that I can stand (since I have no choice) the Democrats being in charge but I could NOT stand Nancy Pelosi leading this country, being the face of our country, or one of them.

How I pray this could be true. However, Nancy has the whole California delegation on her side which is how she wins.

23 posted on 11/10/2006 12:59:11 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (Vote out the RINO's. Volunteer to help get Conservatives elected!)
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To: Dane
and those of you that voted for these so-called "conservative new dems" will have buyers remorse.

WOW! I had no idea that some Freepers voted Democrat....which ones?

24 posted on 11/10/2006 1:00:21 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (Vote out the RINO's. Volunteer to help get Conservatives elected!)
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To: fortheDeclaration
The Left is not going to let their moderate wing control anything.

You don't think the Moderate Dems and Moderate Republicans can make-up and play friends? ;) Why the so-ever not?

25 posted on 11/10/2006 1:00:56 PM PST by madison10 (Live your life in such a way that the preacher won't have to lie at your funeral.)
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To: Vigilanteman
Pelosi needs exactly 1/2 plus one vote of the democrat caucus to be Speaker.

She has that sewn up better than a San Francisco drag queens dress.

26 posted on 11/10/2006 1:00:59 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Vigilanteman

but but but the drapes, the drapes.


27 posted on 11/10/2006 1:06:18 PM PST by OldFriend (Run and Hide, Tax and Spend for the next two years. Everyone happy?)
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To: Dane

Not correct. To be elected Speaker, the nominee needs to have the support of a simple majority of the members of the House voting. That is, if all members vote, Pelosi would need almost all of the Democrats to win.


28 posted on 11/10/2006 1:07:37 PM PST by mak5
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To: Vigilanteman

I have heard the same thing and it did hit the news that Dan Boren is leading the charge of the blue dogs to make sure that some key positions are not turned over and is holding back on any support for Pelosi. The article I read was clear that he is not happy with Pelosi or her choice to head the committees which are mostly black caucus members.

Background: When my Cong Tom Cole was selected to be part of the Ethics Committee, he had to give up full time partipation on Armed Services and he asked Dan Boren to take that position to represent Oklahoma. There is a long time tie between David Boren and my Congressman.

The DemocRATs here want Dan Boren out of the DemocRAT Party. If he were a Republican that ACU Rating would be right up there in the 90's IMHO. When key votes are needed, Dan is there. His father was responsible for Clarence Thomas being on the SCOTUS and then as OU President getting rid of Anita Hill from the OU faculty.


29 posted on 11/10/2006 1:07:57 PM PST by PhiKapMom ( Go Sooners! Thanks Aggies for your 12th Man!)
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To: Vigilanteman
I know the Boren family AND that Tulsa based district which is the only one which really ever gone Dem in the last 15 years. You have to be a blue dog to win it but the Tulsa downtown is basically the San Francisco of Oklahoma. They aren't queer parading holding, anti-American, Christian haters but they do like opera, theatre and lots of public 'infrastructure' on things that the richest citizens tend to enjoy most. If there is such a thing as an elitist in OK, its in downtown Tulsa. But even with that being the case, the district has enough rural counties in it that you can't get an actual liberal in there. But you could get one who would vote for union issues and probably favor 'targetted' tax cuts instead of actual rate cuts.

If all of the democrats were like the Borens, a lot of us would be voting for democrats instead of RINOs like DeWine, Voinovich or Specter. One of the things that allowed the dems to keep the House for 40 years is that most of the actual conservatives were in their party and lived in the South and Midwest. In 1994, we basically cleaned out all but about 10 blue dogs. Now they just doubled their population again.

30 posted on 11/10/2006 1:09:51 PM PST by bpjam (Don't Blame Me. I Voted GOP.)
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To: Dane

That's not true. She needs to have 1/2 of the votes of the entire House plus one. Ralph Hall voted for Hastert the year before he switched parties. The caucus does not elect the Speaker of the House, the entire House elects the speaker. All other positions are elected in the caucus'.


31 posted on 11/10/2006 1:10:02 PM PST by PhiKapMom ( Go Sooners! Thanks Aggies for your 12th Man!)
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To: Dane

No, she needs a majority of the entire House to become speaker. There could be a Republican Speaker if enough Dems throw their support behind him/her.


32 posted on 11/10/2006 1:10:39 PM PST by WinOne4TheGipper (http://lonestarconservative.blogspot.com/2006/11/open-letter-to-moderate-voters.html)
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To: bpjam

David Boren was the single vote it took to block Clinton's BTU tax. We owe him a great deal.


33 posted on 11/10/2006 1:15:17 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: bpjam
Since I do not know the Boren family, I'd be interested in knowing just how much backbone young Dan has. He strikes me as very young (33) to pull anything like this off. Perhaps it is nothing more than a "hail Mary pass" to get Pelosi to come off her high horse and consider the national security implications of putting some of the worst and most untrustworthy characters in congress in charge of such committees.

The MSM charge that the Democrats have to do this to keep the black caucus happy doesn't hold water for two reasons: (1)It's never mattered before because they have always been able to take the black vote for granted, (2)Appointment of Harold Ford, Jr. to take over for Howard Dean would more than compensate for the loss of 2 or 3 committee chairmanships.

Hastings and Dingell could also easily be appointed to chair "Breads and Circuses" type committees or special investiations which would be higher profile and less damaging to national security.

34 posted on 11/10/2006 1:23:28 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: PhiKapMom
That's not true. She needs to have 1/2 of the votes of the entire House plus one. Ralph Hall voted for Hastert the year before he switched parties. The caucus does not elect the Speaker of the House, the entire House elects the speaker. All other positions are elected in the caucus'.

You are correct in that aspect, but the real election for Spekaer will be when the democrat caucus meets and all she needs is 1/2 plus one of that caucus(which she has more than enough votes for), and once that decision is made the whole democrat caucus ususually votes the majority of the caucus.

35 posted on 11/10/2006 1:24:31 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

David Boren is a good man. Too bad the Democratic Party didn't have more like him.


36 posted on 11/10/2006 1:25:22 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Dane

That is true and that is where Boren is going to strike along with some blue dogs is what I am hearing.


37 posted on 11/10/2006 1:26:45 PM PST by PhiKapMom ( Go Sooners! Thanks Aggies for your 12th Man!)
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To: Vigilanteman
Hastings and Dingell could also easily be appointed to chair "Breads and Circuses" type committees or special investiations which would be higher profile and less damaging to national security.

I doubt that, Hastings wants the high profile Intelligence committee so that he can shove his impeachment and conviction in America's face, and nancy probably won't back down to the moderates.

38 posted on 11/10/2006 1:26:57 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: PhiKapMom
That is true and that is where Boren is going to strike along with some blue dogs is what I am hearing.

Boren doen't have the votes in the democrat caucus.

If he was tru to his so-called "conservative" principles, he would vote for the Pubbie for Speaker and not put on this dog and pony show, when in the end Boren will vote for Pelosi as Speaker when the new Congress begins.

39 posted on 11/10/2006 1:29:19 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: bpjam

Tulsa is in Sullivan's district not Boren's. I don't know where you get your info but all of Tulsa is in Congressional District #1 which I just checked to make sure. Dan Boren has NE OK and Little Dixie which is all the way down the eastern side of OK until it meets up with the 4th Congressional district.

I take exception to your comments about Tulsa being like SF because they like the arts.


40 posted on 11/10/2006 1:34:31 PM PST by PhiKapMom ( Go Sooners! Thanks Aggies for your 12th Man!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Boren has an A- rating from Gun Owners of America. So the question is, do we want the dims to have a sane rational person like him to be Speaker? Or do want to destroy them in '08 after a Pelosi nightmare? Anyone?
41 posted on 11/10/2006 1:37:12 PM PST by Clump (Your family may not be safe, but at least their library records will be.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Boren is a Dem, with all that entails, but he's at least sane and relatively intelligent.

He would be a VASTLY superior alternative to the odious and idiotic Pelosi.


42 posted on 11/10/2006 1:37:13 PM PST by JustaCowgirl (Democrats support a fair voting process in the same way they 'support' the troops.)
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To: PhiKapMom
Tulsa is in Sullivan's district not Boren's. I don't know where you get your info but all of Tulsa is in Congressional District #1 which I just checked to make sure. Dan Boren has NE OK and Little Dixie which is all the way down the eastern side of OK until it meets up with the 4th Congressional district.

That is correct. Dan Boren easily won re-election on Tuesday, he did have a Republican challenger but it was not even close. I can't remember if Boren voted for Pelosi to be minority leader or not, now I wish I had kept all those letters he sends to his voters that tells how he votes!!!

43 posted on 11/10/2006 1:37:50 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (Vote out the RINO's. Volunteer to help get Conservatives elected!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Remember, speaker is voted on by the entire house. We only need 12 democrats to vote with a unified republican vote and Boren could be speaker.

There's definitely some confusion regarding this point at various websites, but this appears to be definitive:

At the commencement of each Congress, the Speaker, the four (4) Deputy Speakers, the Secretary General and the Sergeant-at-Arms shall be elected viva voce in successive order by a majority vote of all the Members, Provided, That in the election of the Speaker, the Secretary General shall call the roll and record the vote of each Member which shall be cast without explanation.
---House Rules

In which case, I predict a whole helluva lot of triangulation from America's Top Ugly Leftist in the next two months.

44 posted on 11/10/2006 1:38:19 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Dane

I think they are just threatening in the hopes she will pick better committee chairs. Not so they can be speaker. I think republicans would vote for a conservative democrat speaker to keep Pelosi out, so the blue dogs wouldn't have to vote for a republican, but it's hard to imagine a democrat going into speaker without his own party support.

But the question that should be asked for every conservative democrat is this -- if the terrorists succeed in taking out our leadership, do they really believe Nancy Pelosi is ready or able to be the President of the United States?


45 posted on 11/10/2006 1:38:25 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: bpjam

Link to the Congressional map for Oklahoma:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/findyourreps.xpd?state=OK

1st district is Tulsa; 2nd district is NE OK and down the eastern side of the state and north of Tulsa; 3rd district is western oklahoma and northern OK meeting up with the 2nd; 4th district is part of OK County and south to the border and across south OK until it meets the 2nd district; and 5th district is most of Oklahoma County and several surrounding counties to the east.


46 posted on 11/10/2006 1:38:51 PM PST by PhiKapMom ( Go Sooners! Thanks Aggies for your 12th Man!)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

bttt


47 posted on 11/10/2006 1:39:48 PM PST by ConservativeMan55
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To: yellowdoghunter

Wasn't he a Freshman because he took Carson's seat? I cannot even remember who challenged him. I cannot remember if he voted for her or not but as a Freshman did he have a vote in the Caucus before he was sworn in?


48 posted on 11/10/2006 1:40:53 PM PST by PhiKapMom ( Go Sooners! Thanks Aggies for your 12th Man!)
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To: Clump
So the question is, do we want the dims to have a sane rational person like him to be Speaker? Or do want to destroy them in '08 after a Pelosi nightmare? Anyone?

That is a good question. One that is hard to answer at this very moment.

49 posted on 11/10/2006 1:41:01 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (Vote out the RINO's. Volunteer to help get Conservatives elected!)
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To: yellowdoghunter
That is correct. Dan Boren easily won re-election on Tuesday, he did have a Republican challenger but it was not even close. I can't remember if Boren voted for Pelosi to be minority leader or not, now I wish I had kept all those letters he sends to his voters that tells how he votes!!!

He did, when the 109th Congress convened in January 2005, the votes for Speaker went down party lines, thus Boren voted for Pelosi to be the leader of the democrat caucus.

50 posted on 11/10/2006 1:41:07 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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