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ATF Raid Nets Militia Man, Weapons Rap
Times Record ^ | 11/10/06 | Trish Mehaffey

Posted on 11/11/2006 7:29:21 AM PST by Firefigher NC

FAYETTEVILLE — A Fayetteville militia member was arrested Wednesday by teams of special agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and other federal and state agencies and local police in connection with illegal firearms.

Fayetteville police Lt. Mike Reynolds said 14 search warrants were executed Wednesday in Fort Smith and Fayetteville and one of the warrants was for a lieutenant commander of the Militia of Washington County, Hollis “Wayne” Fincher, of 16085 East Black Oak Road. “We assisted ATF and several other agencies in arresting Fincher. I don’t believe he has a criminal history with us. That’s all I can tell you,” Reynolds said.

Washington County Sheriff Tim Helder said he couldn’t comment on the arrest or Fincher.

Fincher was arrested without incident at his residence, according to an ATF news release.

Senior ATF Special Agent Austin R. Banks said he was restricted to releasing anything beyond the news release. He did confirm Fincher has no criminal record and he was the only person arrested.

The arrest and search warrants were the result of an eight-month investigation relating to the unlawful manufacture, possession and transfer of machine guns, Banks said.

A machine gun that can fire 550 rounds a minute and assorted 9 mm Sten submachine guns are stored in the Washington County militia’s concrete and steel vault, according to information gathered from an interview conducted by The Morning News in March. Each weapon is stamped with the word “non-commercial” to prove the group holds the arms for militia purchases only and not for trade or sale.

Owners of automatic weapons must pay $200 to license each automatic weapon they own. Militia members avoided that by re-building government-destroyed automatic weapons for their own use, Paul Smith, militia commander said in March.

Fincher said in the March interview he believes Americans should proudly uphold the right to bear arms, stand up for land rights and not always accept the federal government as the supreme law of the land.

“What we’ve got to do today is hold our ground,” Fincher said in March.

According to the militia’s Web site, the headquarters is down the road from Fincher’s address at 15566 E. Black Oak Road. The militia was formed July 4, 1994.

Thirteen additional federal search warrants were executed at different places in the Fort Smith-Fayetteville area, Banks said. The warrants are under seal at the direction of the U.S. Attorney for the Western Judicial District of Arkansas. All evidence seized during the execution of the warrants will be submitted to the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the preparation of indictments in this investigation.

ATF, FBI, Washington County Sheriff’s Department, Fayetteville Police Department, Springdale Police Department, Arkansas State Police, Arkansas State Bomb Squad and the Madison County Sheriff’s Department participated in the investigation.

The investigation was conducted under Project Safe Neighborhoods, the U.S. Department of Justice initiative that combines federal, state and local resources to combat violent gun crime. The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Western District of Arkansas will prosecute the case.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: 2bad; atf; banglist; batfe; bootthebatfe; clinton; clintoon; democrats; donutwatch; fincher; janetreno; jbt; klinton; militia; secondamendment
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Website for the militia is www.arkansasmilitia.com, there's a photo of Fincher holding a 9mm Sten.
1 posted on 11/11/2006 7:29:22 AM PST by Firefigher NC
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To: Firefigher NC
He did confirm Fincher has no criminal record and he was the only person arrested.
2 posted on 11/11/2006 7:33:13 AM PST by kinoxi
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To: Firefigher NC

Uh, oh...


3 posted on 11/11/2006 7:33:22 AM PST by MountainPete (democrats are Liars . . . the Truth ain't in 'em!)
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To: Firefigher NC
Magically, after Tuesday the illegal immigration invasion vanished--NOW IT'S TIME TO GO AFTER THE REAL PROBLEM: RELIGIOUS RIGHT WING FUNDAMENTALS FUNDING MILITIAS!!!
4 posted on 11/11/2006 7:36:26 AM PST by 100-Fold_Return (In Prisons Tattletales Are the Same as Child-Molesters...hmm)
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To: Firefigher NC
They brought a lot of trouble on themselves screwing around with sten guns. They certainly have legal semi aout rifles that are better weapons.

The ATF is waiting for this type of protest and could be predicted to pounce.

5 posted on 11/11/2006 7:37:38 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Firefigher NC

Arkansas. Interesting timing, right after the election and the beginning of the official Hillary for President campaign.


6 posted on 11/11/2006 7:37:41 AM PST by Betty Jane
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To: kinoxi

He did confirm Fincher has no criminal record and he was the only person arrested.



Great takedown guys, way to keep those dangerous weapons off the mean streets of Arkansas.

Sounds like they were just skerrred that he had sooo many machine guns, maybe he should have moved to Nevada!


7 posted on 11/11/2006 7:39:02 AM PST by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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To: Firefigher NC

Man I feel safer now. The BATFE thugs have a man with no criminal history in jail for having guns locked in a vault. I'm glad they aren't wasting time going after the Mexican military and Mexican gangs that cross our border and shoot at our LEOs and other citizens.


8 posted on 11/11/2006 7:39:28 AM PST by SUSSA
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To: Firefigher NC

Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

Sounds like a party!

Just add fireworks and ATVs!


9 posted on 11/11/2006 7:40:34 AM PST by Seruzawa (Marx's Das Kapital never could compete with the Sears catalog.)
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To: Firefigher NC
As the case was made by BATFAGs I can only assume all the "evidence" was planted.

The BATFAGs are vicious liars and murderers and if they told me the sky was blue I would have to fact-check that myself.

I surely wish I could be on the jury in this case. I'd aquit.

10 posted on 11/11/2006 7:41:54 AM PST by LibKill (I voted a straight R ticket with one hand, the other was holding my nose closed.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
11 posted on 11/11/2006 7:42:31 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: Firefigher NC

Sigh


12 posted on 11/11/2006 7:46:15 AM PST by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: gitmo

comming to a town near you.....thank you democrats


13 posted on 11/11/2006 7:54:53 AM PST by Youngman442002
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To: Firefigher NC

bttt


14 posted on 11/11/2006 7:55:01 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Firefigher NC
If he had NO criminal record then how can he be in violation of the Constitution which says "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". Oh I forgot the Constitution has no meaning except and unless you are a Democrat and then it means what you want it to.
15 posted on 11/11/2006 7:59:14 AM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: Firefigher NC

Is there much threat to the public when the weapons "are stored in the Washington County militia’s concrete and steel vault"?


16 posted on 11/11/2006 8:01:14 AM PST by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: Firefigher NC
The investigation was conducted under Project Safe Neighborhoods, the U.S. Department of Justice initiative that combines federal, state and local resources to combat violent gun crime.

Anything to justify their existance.

17 posted on 11/11/2006 8:01:15 AM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Bill Clinton, Janet Reno did not even have a problem turning the military on American citizens. They were treated worse than the terrorists who have been actively trying to kill us. Would have been fair to at least give them their day in court like the terrorists get.


18 posted on 11/11/2006 8:02:49 AM PST by dforest (be careful you don't become what you hate the most)
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To: Youngman442002

"comming to a town near you.....thank you democrats"

Yeah but funding for the BATFE has increased during the Bush administration so you can thank both parties for that.


19 posted on 11/11/2006 8:04:54 AM PST by Firefigher NC
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To: Firefigher NC

I agree with the premise that ATF and federal law should not be infringing on the 2A, but if you brag on TV about building machine guns, the outcome is predictable.


20 posted on 11/11/2006 8:09:56 AM PST by Sender ("Always tell the truth; then you don't have to remember anything." -Mark Twain)
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To: Firefigher NC
The closer a government approaches tyranny, the less tolerant it is of the tools to oppose it.

21 posted on 11/11/2006 8:13:29 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Firefigher NC

I was wondering how long it would take to go from killing terrorists overseas (that the Libs abhor) to killing Americans here at home (which the Libs delight in-see Ruby Ridge, Waco, etc). Guess it won't take long at all...


22 posted on 11/11/2006 8:28:19 AM PST by wastoute
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To: BenLurkin
"Is there much threat to the public when the weapons "are stored in the Washington County militia’s concrete and steel vault"?"

Plus they're stamped with the word “non-commercial". How much safer can you get?

23 posted on 11/11/2006 8:29:06 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Anti-Bubba182

2nd that.

I rented one at a range during a recent Las Vegas trip, and while fun, it darn sure wasn't reliable. Though I expect that could be fixed, somewhat, with some appropriate parts.

And you're right, these guys clearly were asking for it.


24 posted on 11/11/2006 8:37:34 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: 100-Fold_Return

And yet, the BATF is a function of the executive branch, which was unchanged by the election. You don't suppose.... nah.


25 posted on 11/11/2006 8:45:08 AM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: Firefigher NC
jackbooted fascists at it again
26 posted on 11/11/2006 9:10:42 AM PST by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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To: William Terrell

If this runs true to form, by the time it's all over he'll also be accused (and convicted) of everything from jay-walking to (and including) child molesting. From the comments published in the local paper, it appears the locals are more pissed off at the feds than they are at him. Since Uncle Sugar doesn't like that the spin cycle will go to full speed and he'll suddenly have child porn on his hard-drive, be HIV positive and have the cell-phone number of Osama Bin Laden.
There were some societies that punished male heretics by castrating them so they couldn't reproduce. Our government has a variation on that theme that works just as well. Remember how David Koresh was supposed to be molesting children? Once that rumor saw the light of day any talk of sending him help quickly died out. A few years back a patriot in Michigan (I think) was accused of making some sort of sexual comment to a girl. The police drove him into his home, then set it on fire. He escaped somehow but was later shot to death a few miles away. Again, since he was "a pervert" there was no outcry loud enough to need answering.
So prepare yourselves folks. If you ever become a thorn in the side of Big Brother, you can expect to become a sex maniac too.


27 posted on 11/11/2006 9:14:17 AM PST by oldfart (The most dangerous man is the one who has nothing left to lose.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Based on the history the ATF has, I choose to withhold judgment. The ATF is well known for stomping on American rights without fear of being held accountable.
This agency should be banished forever in my opinion.
I choose not to break the law, but in my opinion, every American has the right to possess any firearm he chooses if he/she uses them in a responsible manner.
For those who choose, pick that idea apart all you want, but the persons abusing them need punished, not the other 99.999% of us who have had their rights taken away in the name of liberalism and arms control.


28 posted on 11/11/2006 9:21:08 AM PST by FunkyZero
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To: Firefigher NC

Yeah but funding for the BATFE has increased during the Bush administration so you can thank both parties for that.

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Not just funding, the size increased too. Bush couldn't be bothered hiring all the Border Patrol Agents Congress mandated but he sure saw to it that the BATFE got more thugs.

When Clinton was in office Republicans wanted to get rid of the BATF. Once Bush got in they wouldn't fight a president in their own party to do it.


29 posted on 11/11/2006 9:27:43 AM PST by SUSSA
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To: Firefigher NC; y'all
Militia of Washington County, Arkansas

Address:http://www.arkansasmilitia.com

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Appears to me that they intend to challenge the NFA of '34 in court, - on the constitutional grounds that an 'unorganized' militia can possess full auto weapons as per the 2nd.

Incredibly enough, some FReepers think this is crazy.. To me it's crazy to believe the '34 'act' is constitutional.
30 posted on 11/11/2006 9:51:19 AM PST by tpaine
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To: BenLurkin; y'all
Is there much threat to the public when the weapons "are stored in the Washington County militia's concrete and steel vault"?

That point will be at issue in court, no doubt.
There is no doubt of course, that a 'well regulated' militia can keep arms; -- or there should be no doubt.

You never know tho in FReeperland, as many of our loudest mouths claim that fed, state or local governments can prohibit any arms they choose.

31 posted on 11/11/2006 10:02:30 AM PST by tpaine
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To: Firefigher NC

There is something fishy to this story, hes not a "white separatist" nor did he commit suicide by inferno...


32 posted on 11/11/2006 10:22:19 AM PST by gnarledmaw (I traded freedom for security and all I got were these damned shackles.)
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To: Firefigher NC
"A machine gun that can fire 550 rounds a minute "

OMG!!!!! That's such a high rate of fire!!!!

33 posted on 11/11/2006 10:24:13 AM PST by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: Joe Brower

Be Ever Vigilant!


34 posted on 11/11/2006 11:27:16 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Firefigher NC
Yep...thank the Republicrats. I can't believe that after all this time, people still have the "Pubbies good, Rats bad" or "Rats good, Pubbies bad" mindset. It's all one big, all-powerful DC Party, bent on furthering their own ambitions at the expense of ours. Good grief...Bush couldn't have helped the Rats any more than he has if he WERE one!

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

35 posted on 11/11/2006 1:41:17 PM PST by wku man (Breathe...Relax...Aim...Squeeze...Smile!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
They brought a lot of trouble on themselves screwing around with sten guns

Yeh, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is so hard to understand and so open to "interpretation.

In a Pigs Eye

Wouldn't the resources be better utilized going after Jihadies who want to kill us all? Nah, they might shoot back.

36 posted on 11/11/2006 1:47:43 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Firefigher NC
Yeah but funding for the BATFE has increased during the Bush administration so you can thank both parties for that.

They are supposed to be using the money to go after terrorists, which this guy most assuredly is not.

37 posted on 11/11/2006 1:50:09 PM PST by El Gato
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To: tpaine
Incredibly enough, some FReepers think this is crazy..

Only crazy thing is thinking the Supreme Court might actually rule based on the simple words of the Constitution, and of the people who wrote and ratified it.

Still, the Court isn't going to get any better any time soon than it is right now, given events of last Tuesday.

38 posted on 11/11/2006 1:53:08 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Joe Brower
The investigation was conducted under Project Safe Neighborhoods, the U.S. Department of Justice initiative that combines federal, state and local resources to combat violent gun crime.

What was the violent crime?

39 posted on 11/11/2006 2:04:21 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Sender
I agree with the premise that ATF and federal law should not be infringing on the 2A, but if you brag on TV about building machine guns, the outcome is predictable.

Do you have a link on that?

40 posted on 11/11/2006 2:07:48 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: FreedomPoster
And you're right, these guys clearly were asking for it.

Yep, just like a bunch of meat in a room full of cats. Hmm were did I hear that? Oh Yea, one of Osama's Butt Buddies, Sheikh Taj el-Din al-Hilali of Australia.

If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside... and the cats come and eat it... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat?" he asked.

The uncovered meat is the problem, he went on to say.

"If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred," he added.

If that guy just hadn't be exercising a right of the people, the BATFE would have left him alone... well unless he was making some hooch or something, at least there's no enumerated right to do that.

41 posted on 11/11/2006 2:08:11 PM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato

Look, I agree on the right, but the reality on the ground is that exercising it in that way, will get you in deep doo-doo.


42 posted on 11/11/2006 2:27:42 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: FreedomPoster
From who? Jack booted thugs? Tyrant wanna-be's? UnConstitutional law makers with nothing better to do than sit around and try and figure out how to screw us next?

Do you REALLY want to try and excuse that kind of blatant, Rights destroying asshattery?

Shall not be infringed.

It ain't rocket surgery.

43 posted on 11/11/2006 3:01:02 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Dead Corpse

I'm not excusing squat, Mr. Keyboard Commando.

You run along now, and get your Sten, and advertize it to the world, since you're so gung ho, Mr. Rocket Scientist.


44 posted on 11/11/2006 3:21:52 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: El Gato

"They are supposed to be using the money to go after terrorists, which this guy most assuredly is not."

Tell me, sir...just who gets to define who is a "terrorist"?

Trust your government...


45 posted on 11/11/2006 3:28:19 PM PST by jcparks (LFOD)
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To: FreedomPoster
Look! The reality on the ground is that your government is in the continual process of removing weapons from the general public. Either by making felons out of everyone, or creating an "illegal" gun, burning down churches, murdering women holding their babies, creating a bloated bureaucracy to make it more difficult to own a firearm, eliminate the ability to inherit a firearm, regulating and taxing US based manufacturing, and limiting imports.
If you obey the "LAW", someday, we will not be able to prevent such "LAW"s.
Gee...maybe it is too late. Let's just give up.
46 posted on 11/11/2006 3:49:35 PM PST by jcparks (LFOD)
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To: jcparks
Tell me, sir...just who gets to define who is a "terrorist"?

The Congress has defined it for legal purposes. This guy doesn't fit the definition.

Title 22 of the US Code, Section 2656f(d): Title 22 of the US Code, Section 2656f(d):

—The term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience.

—The term “international terrorism” means terrorism involving the territory or the citizens of more than one country.

—The term “terrorist group” means any group that practices, or has significant subgroups that practice, international terrorism.

Trust your government...

Killing and stopping terrorists is one of the things we pay them for. However

Trust But Verify

Which is just what we are doing, isn't it?

47 posted on 11/11/2006 5:56:20 PM PST by El Gato
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To: tpaine
There is no doubt of course, that a 'well regulated' militia can keep arms; -- or there should be no doubt.

The right to keep and bear arms is protected so that a well-regulated militia can exist. But the right protected belongs not any militia, but to the people. Of course the militia are the people, wearing their military hat, just as the Posse is the people wearing their police hat.

48 posted on 11/11/2006 5:58:43 PM PST by El Gato
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To: jcparks

Make sure to put up a vanity thread here on FR, and ping me to it, when you decide to go out in a blaze of "glory."

Arming up and BLOATing is one thing.

Being brain-dead stupid about it, over some Stens, is another.


49 posted on 11/11/2006 6:23:29 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: YOUGOTIT
If he had NO criminal record then how can he be in violation of the Constitution which says "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".

The Constitution does not limit the right to bear arms to non-criminals.

50 posted on 11/11/2006 6:29:20 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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