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Republicans Forgot Reagan's Message
Human Events ^ | November.10, 2006 | Marc Rotterman

Posted on 11/11/2006 2:42:16 PM PST by Reagan Man

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To: hosepipe
Exactly.

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened."
-- Norman Thomas, six-time Socialist Party presidential candidate and one of the founders of the ACLU.

141 posted on 11/11/2006 9:46:15 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Mojave

Just a bit of an over exaggeration, don't you think?


142 posted on 11/11/2006 9:47:03 PM PST by TAdams8591 (It's the Justices, stupid!)
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To: TAdams8591

Nope.


143 posted on 11/11/2006 9:47:50 PM PST by Mojave
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To: Mojave

And your "technique" of political discussion is to dance like mad, use every logical fallacy in the books and throw in frequent, one-liner insult bombs.

You do your arguments a disservice by using the tactics favored by pimply-faced 15 year-old DU'ers out to cause fights at FR. Try debating like a grown-up if you hope to convince others of the validity of your position.


144 posted on 11/11/2006 9:50:57 PM PST by Tamzee (Thomas Jefferson - "Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle.")
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To: Tamzee

You're still stuck on projection.


145 posted on 11/11/2006 9:54:56 PM PST by Mojave
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To: Tamzee

Philadelphia, for instance, can't even get a liberal Republican elected mayor let alone a moderate or conservative Republican. It will be years before it sees another Republican mayor.


146 posted on 11/11/2006 9:55:09 PM PST by TAdams8591 (It's the Justices, stupid!)
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To: Reagan Man

I get sooooooooooo tired of people mindlessly invoking Reagan and then going on to list some of the very trangressions --- amnesty, increased spending -- that Reagan did. Reagan was a wonderful man but people need to stop making him an unattainable, mythical figure! Reagan, at the height of his popularity, didn't have the make-up we currently have in Congress that is considered a disaster. If people are going to keep pitching a hissy fit until they get the ideal, we're never going to get anywhere.


147 posted on 11/11/2006 10:01:55 PM PST by soccermom
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To: Tamzee

Great quote. Thanks!


148 posted on 11/11/2006 10:03:30 PM PST by soccermom
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To: soccermom

I was one of those Reagan democrats back when he was first elected. I thought then as I do now that he was the greatest president in my lifetime. Having said that, I also believe GW Bush will go down in history as one of our greatest presidents. If the Iraq situation settles to where we have a functioning democracy and an ally in the region, history will be very good to Bush.


149 posted on 11/11/2006 10:11:09 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: TAdams8591
Philadelphia, for instance, can't even get a liberal Republican elected mayor let alone a moderate or conservative Republican. It will be years before it sees another Republican mayor.

Yep, like trying to get a Republican elected mayor of Ithica... I shudder every time I have to drive past there LOL

150 posted on 11/11/2006 10:12:34 PM PST by Tamzee (Thomas Jefferson - "Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle.")
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To: soccermom

Most welcome :-)


151 posted on 11/11/2006 10:13:18 PM PST by Tamzee (Thomas Jefferson - "Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle.")
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To: Reagan Man
I read the speech, RM. For the most part, as with all his speeches it could have been written yesterday, it is so applicable to today. When Reagan was President, there were few things I looked forward to more than to listen to one of his speeches. They were always very thought provoking, full of substance as well as awe-inspiring.

*sigh* The going has really been slow.

152 posted on 11/11/2006 10:24:23 PM PST by TAdams8591 (It's the Justices, stupid!)
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To: soccermom

Reagan is no mythical figure or a god. Reagan is the modern day standard that all other Presidents will be compared to. Reagan was an historic figure of enormous proportions. Someone who comes along maybe once every 100-150 years. Reagan was famous, heroic and legandary. Reagan was a great American, a great President and a great conservative. The author of this fine article does an excellent job of expressing what the challenges are for the conservatives and the GOP between now and the next election. Bush has set conservatism back 20-25 years, and the election results from Tuesday prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt. Enough of this status quo-centrist garbage. Conservatism works every time its tried. If the GOP wants to win in 2008, its got to return to its conservative roots as advanced by Pres Reagan and Speaker Gingrich.


153 posted on 11/11/2006 10:30:28 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man

"Bush has set conservatism back 20-25 years, and the election results from Tuesday prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt." I repeat, Bush at his WORST gave us better numbers in Congress than Reagan at his best. That doesn't mean he wasn't a great man. It means that he was a human being working within realistic parameters. You go on and on with all these platitudes about Reagan, but you completely dodge the fact that he was behind some very less-than-conservative things: amnesty for illegals, raising taxes on Social Security, increasing the deficit, etc. Reagan was a pragmatist, just like most effective politicians. Reagan is not a myth -- your characterization of him is!


154 posted on 11/12/2006 7:03:15 AM PST by soccermom
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To: GregoryFul

Newt is the one The Lord keeps putting in my spirit for the future. So I'm goin' wait and see if he's not the one who'll be the republican nominee for President. Should be interesting.


155 posted on 11/12/2006 7:46:39 AM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: soccermom
You know absolutely nothing about Reagan or the history of the conservative movement in America over the last 50 years. And your rhetoric proves that for certain.

>>>>I repeat, Bush at his WORST gave us better numbers in Congress than Reagan at his best.

Without Reagan getting the ball rolling in the 1980`s, there would have been NO Republican Revolution of 1994. It was Newt Gingrich who brought a GOP majority to the Congress, and it was George W. Bush who lost that majority by not governing as a conservative. Newt led the GOP to an historic vicory in 1994 by building on the Reagan record of advancing CONSERVATISM. Not through some status quo nonsense to advance more LIBERALISM. The Contract With America was a success. The Reagan Revolution was a success. The Bush agenda has failed.

Dubya handed the Democrats control of the Congress, and without a return to a more conservative policy agenda, the GOP has no chance of retaking the Congress anytime soon. And the 2008 race for the WH looks like a lock for the Democrats at this point.

>>>> .... you completely dodge the fact ....

LOL I dodged nothing. You're attempting to make Bush43 look better after an historic political defeat, by taking pot shots at the Reagan legacy. Fine. The truth of the matter is crystal clear. Bush is no Reagan. Period. Never was and never will be. Reagan was a conservative. Bush is a moderate. The record speaks for itself.

156 posted on 11/12/2006 9:47:48 AM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man

I really hate these threads where your sole purpose is to embarrass Reagan. As a fifth columnist you should be extremely proud of yourself, Reagan Embarrassment.


157 posted on 11/12/2006 10:00:34 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: 68 grunt

There you go again, making a fool yourself in public. I've never embarrassed Reagan. Not once. You make these posts because you actually hate what Reagan stood for. I speak the truth. You are the biggest embarrassment in the history of Free Republic and like GW Bush, one of the biggest losers of all time.

That's my annual post to you. Enjoy it.


158 posted on 11/12/2006 10:11:44 AM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man
... Not once. ...

Everytime you post!

159 posted on 11/12/2006 10:38:00 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Reagan Man
and like GW Bush, one of the biggest losers of all time.

You sure are taking McClintock's loss hard. You probably realize that his loss affirms what many said about him not being able to win the governorship in 2003. This time he didn't even have the Stoos stone around his neck.

160 posted on 11/12/2006 10:48:38 AM PST by RGSpincich
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