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Republicans Forgot Reagan's Message
Human Events ^ | November.10, 2006 | Marc Rotterman

Posted on 11/11/2006 2:42:16 PM PST by Reagan Man

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To: IronJack
"the American people have come to view the conservative movement and the Republican Party as one and the same. Indeed, they are not."

I, for one, never thought they were.

41 posted on 11/11/2006 4:53:56 PM PST by TAdams8591 (It's the Justices, stupid!)
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To: BW2221
Since you believe social conservatism was our downfall, I appreciate it if you would tell us what you think the GOP should stand for.

Opposition to social conservatism, or rather successful association of incumbent Republicans with it, was a key reason for GOP losses in the North East, not necessarily anywhere else. However, GOP wooing of blue-collar Reagan Democrats with promises of social conservatism is starting to badly hurt the party among libertarian conservatives. When at the same the Democrats have begun to diffuse the 'culture war' issues by running social conservatives in these districts, I see bad times ahead for the Republicans.

IMHO, the Republicans should embrace old-fashioned Main Street conservatism with emphasis on moderate, small enterprise free-market economics, positive family values conservatism and a realist foreign policy.

42 posted on 11/11/2006 4:54:07 PM PST by Aikonaa
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To: Mojave
You "purists" were tearing at Reagan's jugular back then as a "RINO" just as you do today to anyone who doesn't meet your idea of perfection. Start operating in the real world and then we can all combine efforts to pull the country right-wards as Reagan did.

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An American Life (his autobiography) | 8/7/03 |

Ronald Reagan

"When I began entering into the give and take of legislative bargaining in Sacramento, a lot of the most radical conservatives who had supported me during the election didn't like it.

"Compromise" was a dirty word to them and they wouldn't face the fact that we couldn't get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don't get it all, some said, don't take anything.

"I'd learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: 'I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average.'

"If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that's what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it.

43 posted on 11/11/2006 4:58:21 PM PST by Tamzee (Thomas Jefferson - "Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle.")
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To: Cowboy Bob
They are still counting about 100,000 votes in his district, so the fat lady hasn't sung...yet!

Terrific news, thought he was a goner! I'll cross my fingers that she be singing happy news when she does :-)

44 posted on 11/11/2006 5:01:21 PM PST by Tamzee (Thomas Jefferson - "Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle.")
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To: flashbunny

They tried hard.


45 posted on 11/11/2006 5:01:33 PM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Tamzee
You "purists" were tearing at Reagan's jugular

I voted for him. You "centrists" were voting for Pat Brown and Jimmy Carter.

46 posted on 11/11/2006 5:03:13 PM PST by Mojave
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To: Reagan Man

Yeah, cuz Reagan led us to two resounding defeats and two resounding wins. Bush led us to three wins.

I'll take Bush over Reagan anyday. And in terms of the Senate, Bush's 2006 performance is still a million times better than Reagan's 1986 performance.


47 posted on 11/11/2006 5:04:45 PM PST by republicanwizard
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To: onyx
No credit whatsoever. He's a sell out! Everything is Bush's fault. They sound like democrats.

Take heart. Based on historical precedent, the Perpetually Angry Faction of conservatives will be using Bush's name to attack the current sitting Republican and demanding that we get back to the days of Bush Conservatism LOL

Just wait for it... I predict November 11, 2030 there will be a FR thread entitled, "Republicans Forgot Bush's Message" ;-)

48 posted on 11/11/2006 5:05:58 PM PST by Tamzee (Thomas Jefferson - "Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle.")
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To: republicanwizard
I'll take Bush over Reagan anyday.

Happy Pelosi.

49 posted on 11/11/2006 5:06:43 PM PST by Mojave
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To: Tamzee

I doubt I'll be around to see it.


50 posted on 11/11/2006 5:08:18 PM PST by onyx (I'm now a minority and victim of the democrats, but with full and free entitlements!)
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To: Mojave

I'm not a centrist, darling, am a conservative. With brains. That can add numbers together. And knows that 20% on our own is not as big as 51% percent, the magic number needed to impact public policy.

We share power with the center in moderate or blue states or we don't impact public policy at all.

End of America.


51 posted on 11/11/2006 5:10:23 PM PST by Tamzee (Thomas Jefferson - "Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle.")
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To: azhenfud

not hard enough according some.

On wednesday I was told if you run as a conservative you can't win elections in this country. I guess it didn't work for reagan in 1980 and 1984, the contract with american in 1994, or 2000 when we were told GWB was a reagan conservative.


52 posted on 11/11/2006 5:14:56 PM PST by flashbunny (Run and Govern as conservatives, win elections. Run and govern as liberals, lose elections.)
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To: Tamzee
I'm not a centrist, darling, am a conservative.

You Gerald Ford types were constantly attacking Ronald Reagan for being "too extreme".

53 posted on 11/11/2006 5:15:06 PM PST by Mojave
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To: flashbunny

No - I mean they tried hard to out liberal liberals.


54 posted on 11/11/2006 5:19:14 PM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: republicanwizard
>>>>I'll take Bush over Reagan anyday. And in terms of the Senate, Bush's 2006 performance is still a million times better than Reagan's 1986 performance.

Spoken like a good liberal. Touche! LOL

55 posted on 11/11/2006 5:20:17 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Tamzee
>>>>I'm not a centrist, darling, am a conservative. With brains.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL Best laugh I've had all week. Thanks! You liberals are soooooooooooooo funny! LMBO

56 posted on 11/11/2006 5:21:54 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: GregoryFul

Just like Bush has been trashed for the last six yrs. It doesn't matter who we put up there, they will be trashed. However, after a setback like this election, it would be nice if our side didn't turn on them like a pack of vultures.


57 posted on 11/11/2006 5:23:34 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: republicanwizard

bush and reagan ran for the senate in their 6th year in office?


58 posted on 11/11/2006 5:25:11 PM PST by flashbunny (Run and Govern as conservatives, win elections. Run and govern as liberals, lose elections.)
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To: umbagi

You are spot on with this point; we lost the elections ourselves. Newt can blame Rummy and Bush, but I recall on several occasions Newt was on MSM bashing Bush and Rummy. When conservatives turn on their own, we lose. Newt had an opportunity to show he is still a leader, and in my opinion he failed. He is a great idea man, but he is NOT the right messenger. McCain, Hagel, and others are equally as guilty. McCain can forget the presidency, he will never get the base. I don't know who will come up and take the mantle of leadership for the republicans. Bush looks so rejected in all his latest appearances; he needs to get back on message soon. Frist needs to kick Chafee off the committee that is holding up Bolton and we need to get him confirmed next week. This will help, and I hope it happens. Bush and all republicans need to start fighting back and stopping the message of old media that this country rejected the Iraq policy.


59 posted on 11/11/2006 5:26:11 PM PST by Laverne
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To: Sam Hill
He also "cut and ran" from Beirut.

n.b. James Baker was heavily involved in the decision to withdraw from Beirut, as was SECDEF Weinberger et al.

60 posted on 11/11/2006 5:29:19 PM PST by Fury
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