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TET II -- The End
Vanity with link to original article on Intellectual Conservative | November 12, 2006 | Christopher Barr

Posted on 11/12/2006 7:36:33 AM PST by FlameThrower

If it’s any consolation, this is not the beginning of the end of Western civilization. It is the end of the beginning… of the end of Western civilization.

Three years ago, I wrote a screed called Tet II in which I predicted that American liberals would once again turn victory into defeat – this time in Iraq.

But Bush did not crack, and I found myself actually daring to hope that our Captain MacWhirr would, out of sheer unimaginative stubbornness, tame the coolies in the hold and outlast the typhoon. [Read Conrad’s masterpiece and experience the first six years of the 21st Century in metaphor. “[T]he interest of which for us was, of course, not the bad weather but the extraordinary complication brought into the ship's life at a moment of exceptional stress by the human element below her deck.” Unfortunately, reality has been edited to fit our national character: the ending will be changed.]

Oddly, it was a storm that dashed my hope for Bush. Not a typhoon, but a hurricane. Katrina was a low blow, but it turned the fight. The storm, itself, destroyed one city; the aftermath will destroy all cities and civilization, itself. The delayed result of those breached levies: nuclear terror to midwife the birth of a new Dark Ages.

I am not blaming this election. It is a result more than a cause. But there are irreversible moments in history, moments after which the toothpaste cannot ever be put back into the tube. We are in such a moment. The election irrevocably selected between two futures; the one selected is not the one we would have chosen with our eyes open.

Bush seemed about to confront the coming crisis five years ago. But the war – not the war in Iraq, but the war here over Iraq – undermined his efforts and distracted him from the task. He must take some of the blame for that. Now, we have just elected not to tackle the job and to institute policy gridlock where we need urgent action. Looking back it was probably all inevitable. It is about who we are. About our failings as a people.

Let me assert a couple of simple facts. I will not try to prove them. They are self evident to reasonable people. Unreasonable people are not my audience, and no proof would suffice for them, anyway.

First assertion: In the modern world of porous borders, massively destructive and easily secreted weaponry, huge concentrations of exposed economic value and apocalyptic religious fundamentalism, preemption is the only viable strategy for combating an implacable terrorist enemy bent solely on destruction. The Maginot Line did not work in two dimensions; it certainly will not in four.

Second assertion, to misquote Captain Segura (Ernie Kovacs): “There are two classes of people: those who can be [terrorized] and those who can't…. One never [terrorizes] except by mutual agreement.” If you do not consent to be terrorized, terrorism does not work. If it does not work, it will, eventually, not happen. To allow it to work is to invite it to happen. The successfully terrorized victim serves as accomplice to the terrorist.

The Left invites terrorism. Partly because they are weak in the face of life’s adversities. Partly, here and now, because it suits their tactical political agendas. The Left is only too happy to oblige the terrorist -- to be terrorized in the right cause.

During the Cold War the Left gave aid and comfort to the Communist enemy -- ranging from outright espionage to deferential respect -- because an American victory would have severed their philosophical roots and deposed the patron of their ideological comrades in Latin America, the Caribbean, Asia and Africa. But the war on terror is a war between Radical Islam and Western Liberalism. The Left has no dog in this fight.

When ideologies die, their movements often stumble on from bureaucratic inertia, like zombies. They rehearse old, outdated programming and dedicate themselves to the quest for power. Marxism-Leninism died decades ago in the Soviet Union; the system ground on until 1991. Similarly, the dead husk of the American Left struggles on -- animated by habit spasms and lusting for power.

The Left’s only conscious goal now is to regain political power. To do this they must deprive Bush of his victories -- in Iraq and against terror. This means robbing America of its victories in those struggles. It could mean the death of Western Civilization. That is a price they will gladly pay. They are the coolies rioting over dollars in the hold of MacWhirr’s typhoon-tossed steamer Nan-Shan.  

Our enemy knew from the start about this inescapable curse of the American psyche. Tet is their source book. They knew they could simply call and raise, again and again, no matter how bad the hand they had been dealt in Iraq. Inevitably, America would flinch and fold.

This knowledge emboldened them to launch, and then to persevere in their insurgency – which grew as the anti-war movement gained strength. And vice versa.

The Left, by sensitizing itself and us to the terror, became an accomplice – a catalyst in the killing and maiming of thousands of American servicemen. They gave the insurgents hope. And, in turn, directly benefited as the terror campaign persisted. The more they could make it appear that our policy in Iraq was “Bush’s failed policy” – even at the cost of causing it to fail – the better their political fortunes, as the election has now proved.

In the end, of course, Bush has failed. About the time I wrote Tet II in late 2003, he had lost his nerve in the face of domestic criticism, going from  dynamic offense to static occupation. This made Iraq the climactic battle in the war against terrorism – and it is exactly the sort of battle we, as a people, are least suited to fight.

This piece is not about incrimination – although it does sound like it, I admit. It is too late for that now. And we can’t, ultimately, blame the Left and its chief weapon, the Media. The failure is ours, the American people’s. With popular sovereignty comes responsibility. We have been tested; and found wanting. Now we will face the consequences. And they will bring us, all of us, more than enough penance.   

Nukes are paradigm-shifting weapons that invalidate Segura’s Law. You can maintain a stiff upper lip to the occasional terror bombing, but stoical detachment cannot withstand nuclear attack. 

If Iraq had succeeded, it might have aborted this future. Brought Western values of a sort to the Middle East and disarmed Iran and North Korea. But now, other radical states will actively seek nuclear technology. Iran will not be dissuaded. North Korea will, eventually, dispense its weapons.

In a couple of years, we will have passed the point of no return. The toothpaste will be out of the tube. Terrorists will have nukes. And, inevitably, terrorists will use those nukes on us.

Bush’s original strategy was preemption: to attack and destroy the terrorist in their homes before they could muster an attack. To eliminate the festering failed States that sustained them. It morphed under pressure to nation-building. We will soon adopt a third way: we will “redeploy” out of Iraq – tail between our legs. And the terrorist will follow us home. The nuclear attacks will be random, unstoppable and devastating.

The only way to fight terrorism, if you cannot prevent the attacks, is to ignore their effects. To refuse to consent to being terrorized.

The British ignored the IRA bombing of the old Commercial Union Building in London a generation ago. America ultimately shrugged off the destruction of the Twin Towers five years ago. But New York, Chicago, London, Paris… The loss of entire cities will cripple Western economies and traumatize all civilized peoples. We will be locked in an unavoidable and unwinnable war of asymmetrical attrition: our landmark cities for their caves and mud-huts.

Great cities, the emblems of Western Civilization, began as a walled defenses against marauding enemies. In a world turned upside-down, they are now our great vulnerability. They are suicidal concentrations of expensive economic, cultural and political assets waiting, exposed, for destruction. The only way to ignore nuclear terrorism will be to “redeploy” preemptively out of the crosshairs. Within years our cities will die – abandoned or incinerated.

Or both. The “redeployment” will be delayed. Trump will continue to build; the NYSE, to trade; Congress, to convene. When the strikes come, the toll will be staggering. A thousand fold or more what we have lost in Iraq or lost on 9/11. Economies will collapse. Millions will die of disease and famine.

The great things we have, as a civilization, built on the Earth over one thousand years will evaporate in a series of blasts, set off by a rag-tag army of primitives. We will be left, some of us, to scrape out our bitter existence beyond the ruble, in what were the suburbs.

But at least the Left will have succeeded in one thing: eliminating the root cause of Islamic radicalism. The gulf that divides Christendom and the Caliphate. That energizes their hatred for us. For we and our works will have been laid low.

And then…. Who knows?  One guess: dung beetles, muttering “Allah Akbar”, munching on the remains of Western Civilization.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: iraq; nuclearterror; tet
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1 posted on 11/12/2006 7:36:34 AM PST by FlameThrower
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To: FlameThrower

Nah - I wouldn't worry so much. After a nuclear weapon goes off in Washington DC, what's left of American resolve will get let loose.

Unfortunately, it seems that that is what it is going to take.


2 posted on 11/12/2006 7:39:04 AM PST by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: FlameThrower
Great cities, the emblems of Western Civilization, began as a walled defenses against marauding enemies. In a world turned upside-down, they are now our great vulnerability. They are suicidal concentrations of expensive economic, cultural and political assets waiting, exposed, for destruction. The only way to ignore nuclear terrorism will be to “redeploy” preemptively out of the crosshairs. Within years our cities will die – abandoned or incinerated.

I wouldn't give a plug nickel for the near-term survival chances of any large population urban city in this country. Once the vehicle-delivered nuclear blasts have been executed in our cities, the 'major' population of this country will be concentrated in areas far-outside the confines of the former dense population areas. In those areas, means of self-protection will be critical just to survive.

3 posted on 11/12/2006 7:42:52 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: FlameThrower

bttt


4 posted on 11/12/2006 7:45:05 AM PST by SittinYonder (Ic ■Št gehate, ■Št ic heonon nelle; fleon fotes trym, ac wille fur­or gan)
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To: FlameThrower

End of the west? Just crying over spilt milk. Time to pick ourselves up and get on with it. Everyone was sensing what was going to happen we just couldn,t believe the leadership was going to drive over the cliff. Better it happens now than in 08. Our first mistake was to lose respect for our adversaries because we disagree with them. Time for repubs in the house and senate to take stock and start planning. I think Mitch Mc. can do it. Don't look for help from the White House though; they've fell into making up the facts to go along wtih their agenda.


5 posted on 11/12/2006 7:49:25 AM PST by KyHammer (Get over it, now.)
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To: txzman

Now it is the traitors turn to set out their agenda.

We will support them as they supported America.

Sic Semper Tyrannus.


6 posted on 11/12/2006 7:52:41 AM PST by 2ndClassCitizen
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To: KyHammer

I think Republican chances are very good in '08 to decimate the Democrats. But it may well be too late. Once the genie is out of the bottle....


7 posted on 11/12/2006 7:53:23 AM PST by FlameThrower
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To: FlameThrower
If you do not consent to be terrorized, terrorism does not work. If it does not work, it will, eventually, not happen. To allow it to work is to invite it to happen. The successfully terrorized victim serves as accomplice to the terrorist.

Very good point. That pretty much sums up the operating principle for all of human history.

8 posted on 11/12/2006 7:58:08 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: FlameThrower

You have to expect the democrats will act true to form. They can hardly hold themselves in check now. I'm anticipating some real entertainment out of these guys. There are going to be all kinds of things to be mad about and laugh about, they just can't help it. Plus they didn't beat us we beat ourselves. If we lose again in 08 we deserve it.


9 posted on 11/12/2006 8:02:17 AM PST by KyHammer (Get over it, now.)
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To: FlameThrower

bookmark ping-a-ling , & THANKS FlameThrower


10 posted on 11/12/2006 8:06:10 AM PST by Dad yer funny (FoxNews is morphing , and not for the better ,... internal struggle? Its hard to watch)
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To: txzman
Excellent comments, but one needs an understanding of history to digest them, something that is sorely lacking in America today....

We failed to accept that we live in a Media-driven world now, where re-runs of Survivor get higher ratings than the Evening News shows, no matter how biased they may be.

We assumed that The Sheeple had the intelligence to sift through the 24/7 drip,drip,drip, of Lies, hatred and exaggerations, and that they would make the right choice, without having to counter each ever more outrageous claim directly.

We assumed that a country that ignores the rivers of blood flowing in it's own Dem-controlled inner-city streets, would "get" why the struggle of less than 1% of the population actively involved in The War on Terror is vital to them.

We failed to take the on the Media War against America, and instead gave the initiative to our enemies and the American Left, who were obviously willing to sell out our nation for short-term political gains, seeing it as their ticket to return to power...
(See the Rockefeller Memo)

In short, we bet on the Intelligence of the American People to make a good decision. History will decide if they have, but will their be any of us left to analyze the result?
11 posted on 11/12/2006 8:08:29 AM PST by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: The Drowning Witch

Check this one out.


12 posted on 11/12/2006 8:16:21 AM PST by Jackknife ( "It's not a real party 'til somebody breaks something.")
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To: txzman
After a nuclear weapon goes off in Washington DC, what's left of American resolve will get let loose.

Nah, the cowards will still be cringing under rocks waiting for somebody to come rescue us.

13 posted on 11/12/2006 8:16:30 AM PST by penowa
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To: txzman

It is a mushroom cloud that will finally grab our attention. The question is; how will we react? From what I have seen so far after 9/11, I am not very impressed.


14 posted on 11/12/2006 8:19:32 AM PST by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: FlameThrower

The genie came out of the bottle a long time ago when we allowed Muslim immigration. Even today potential terrorsts are allowed in and potential terrorists are born in our hospitals. There will always be an ample supply of those that are bent on the destruction of America.


15 posted on 11/12/2006 8:24:50 AM PST by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: KyHammer

You are absolutely correct. I saw Hollerin' Howie on FNS this morning. He was trying to appear as centrist as he possibly could. That won't last long.

The dims are pack animals. Once they get a scent of blood, they will start ripping and tearing at everything and everyone that is not one of them.

The next two years will be very interesting, to say the least.


16 posted on 11/12/2006 8:27:59 AM PST by 43north (7 of 11 living things are insects. This explains liberals and islamofascists.)
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To: FlameThrower

Nonsense. This is part of the cycle of life. We have been fighting the lowlives since the dawn of time.


17 posted on 11/12/2006 8:30:33 AM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: ScholarWarrior

And not always winning.


18 posted on 11/12/2006 8:33:33 AM PST by FlameThrower
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To: txzman
After a nuclear weapon goes off in Washington DC,

Nuke their allies? LA or Chicago or more likely targets, IMHO.

19 posted on 11/12/2006 8:42:58 AM PST by MamaLucci (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: FlameThrower
TET II -- The End contains some pretty good thoughts and analysis.

And we can't, ultimately, blame the Left and its chief weapon, the Media.

I agree. But a generation ago is a different story.

Americans were caught flatfooted. Newspapers were quickly giving way to TV network news. TV network news rapidly replaced newspapers as the primary source and it was staffed by men who made their mark in W.W.II. We had every reason to trust them.

From the author's article published a couple of years ago:

[The events in Viet Nam] was now a war for the heart and mind of Walter Cronkite. And there, an American defeat was forged out of an American victory.

The hearts and minds of MSM employees today yielded before our forces entered Iraq. To wit, Ellen Ratner hoped that "Bush would mess up;" ABCNNBCBS employees proclaimed that they were journalists, impartial and were not going to wear no stinkin' American Flags on air -- and scoffed at the few who did show the Flag.

"Bring it all down, man" was the 1960s pledge of allegiance. Well. they're still trying.

20 posted on 11/12/2006 8:43:04 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: FlameThrower

Nice article. I agree wholeheartedly with your analysis of the left in the cold war, and their reasons for allowing the terrorists to win. I think the war for civilization is not over, but the cost has just gone up a great deal, as when Europe failed to stop Hitler in 1938, leading to millions more deaths. In that war, the outcome could have gone either way, and with Democrats in charge of a nuclear terror war, the outcome is not certain. The good guys don't always win--ask the Romans, or better, ask the Byzantines. Their empire was overrun by barbaric Muslims, too, their cathedrals turned into mosques, their men killed, their women made concubines. The people who did that are still there, and they still want to do that.


21 posted on 11/12/2006 8:57:35 AM PST by Defiant (The shame of Spain has stained the fruited plain.)
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To: FlameThrower
You're right, sometimes the magic works, and sometimes it doesn't. We bounce back. Sometimes it takes five hundred years.

Worked: Thermopylae, Vienna, Spain, Punic Wars, WWI, WWII, Indian Wars.

Didn't work: Syracuse, Alaric, Vietnam, most Crusades, and most Colonial incursions.
22 posted on 11/12/2006 8:58:30 AM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: Gaffer

While I'm certainly not advocating it, the loss of a number of major cities would be bad why?

An astute student of history and human nature, one Thomas Jefferson, predicted all this after witnessing the run up to the FIRST socialist/communist revolution in France while ambassador there. He penned the following observations concerning what would happen HERE should that socialism come to the United States. He CORRECTLY predicted that we would become an increasingly contentious and litigious people as we shouldered one another out of the way to get OURS from the public trough and the trough would soon be empty.

That whirring noise you may hear coming from that mountain in Charlottesville, Virginia is Mr. Jefferson getting up to around 3600 RPM.


"The mobs of the great cities add just so much to the support of pure government as sores do to the strength of the human body. It is the manners and spirit of a people which preserve a republic in vigor. A degeneracy in these is a canker which soon eats to the heart of its laws and constitution." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XIX, 1782. ME 2:230


I think our governments will remain virtuous for many centuries as long as they are chiefly agricultural; and this will be as long as there shall be vacant lands in any part of America. When they get piled upon one another in large cities as in Europe, they will become corrupt as in Europe." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. Papers 12:442

"I view great cities as pestilential to the morals, the health and the liberties of man. True, they nourish some of the elegant arts; but the useful ones can thrive elsewhere; and less perfection in the others, with more health, virtue and freedom, would be my choice." --Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Rush, 1800. ME 10:173

"Our cities... exhibit specimens of London only; our country is a different nation." --Thomas Jefferson to Andre de Daschkoff, 1809. ME 12:304

"Everyone, by his property or by his satisfactory situation, is interested in the support of law and order. And such men may safely and advantageously reserve to themselves a wholesome control over their public affairs and a degree of freedom which, in the hands of the canaille of the cities of Europe, would be instantly perverted to the demolition and destruction of everything public and private." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813. ME 13:401

"An insurrection... of science, talents, and courage, against rank and birth... has failed in its first effort, because the mobs of the cities, the instrument used for its accomplishment, debased by ignorance, poverty, and vice, could not be restrained to rational action. But the world will recover from the panic of this first catastrophe." --Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813. ME 13:402

"I fear nothing for our liberty from the assaults of force; but I have seen and felt much, and fear more from English books, English prejudices, English manners, and the apes, the dupes, and designs among our professional crafts. When I look around me for security against these seductions, I find it in the wide spread of our agricultural citizens, in their unsophisticated minds, their independence and their power, if called on, to crush the Humists of our cities, and to maintain the principles which severed us from England." --Thomas Jefferson to Horatio G. Spafford, 1814. ME 14:120


23 posted on 11/12/2006 8:58:32 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: MamaLucci

>LA or Chicago or more likely targets, IMHO<

Like they have no allies there? LOL


24 posted on 11/12/2006 9:03:06 AM PST by FReepapalooza
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To: FlameThrower

Good first draft. Now read Orwell's "Politics and the English Language" carefully and give it another shot.


25 posted on 11/12/2006 9:06:36 AM PST by Silly (still being silly)
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To: FlameThrower
There is no clash of civilizations, only internal rot and civil war in the West. The template could be a classic war of colonization, the Plantation policy in Ireland (since you mentioned Ireland). Islamic terrorism in the West is simply an offshoot of the violence of this new Plantation policy. The "War On Terror" is a place the Republicans go to hide from this civil war (something I've called the Galtieri Syndrome), ultimately what they are hiding from is the issue of race. In the unlikely event that Islamic terrorists set off a nuke in a Western city we will be treated to the spectacle of our leaders falling all over themselves to affirm the wonderfulness of diversity and the peacefulness of Islam, and sending out messages to all branch offices of the FBI to be vigilant on hate crimes against Muslims. So at least we'll get some laughs out of it, particularly if the Republicans are in office.

The supporters of the war in Iraq should have known the problems going in. It is, among many other things, a war of political correctness: we must pretend that Iraq is ripe for democracy and liberal society because to suggest anything else would be racist, wouldn't it? Family values, after all, don't stop at the border. GWB was compelled by his PC values to attempt nation building, it was built into the plan from the start and was not a result of pressure.

26 posted on 11/12/2006 9:07:15 AM PST by jordan8
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To: FReepapalooza
Like they have no allies there? LOL

Sure they do......but they don't set national policy, do they?

27 posted on 11/12/2006 9:08:03 AM PST by MamaLucci (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: Dick Bachert
....While I'm certainly not advocating it, the loss of a number of major cities would be bad why?...

All one needs to do is to "google search" the 2000 & 2004 Red Blue BY-COUNTY election map to see from whence America's problems arise...

28 posted on 11/12/2006 9:08:35 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: 2ndClassCitizen
....Sic Semper Tyrannus.......

Very subtle....I once wrote a paper on this in college...most people would not understand it....

29 posted on 11/12/2006 9:11:10 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: KyHammer

You don't really understand the horrendous damage that will be done in the next two years, do you?


30 posted on 11/12/2006 9:12:13 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: ScholarWarrior
....We have been fighting the lowlives since the dawn of time.....

And every civilized society has fallen too!

31 posted on 11/12/2006 9:14:43 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: MamaLucci

If they were smart, they'd leave the northern, central northern, and western population centers alone. If they were smart, they'd attack the Red enclaves surrounding the southern, central and southwest urban areas...


32 posted on 11/12/2006 9:16:43 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: FlameThrower

in three years of freep, this might be the single greatest post

mega bump


33 posted on 11/12/2006 9:21:45 AM PST by beebuster2000
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To: txzman

We need to clean our own house first. We are long overdue for a cleansing of the murderous, treasonous Left from our country. Ugly to contemplate; ultimately, a necessity if America is to survive.


34 posted on 11/12/2006 9:24:23 AM PST by Noumenon (Liberals: America's domestic enemies. Treat them as such. With extreme predjudice.)
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To: Gaffer
They really do not care about Red and Blue. Their target is Western economic and political success. Because they do not have it. New York, DC, Chicago, London, Paris, Rome.... These are the targets.

My hunch is a European city, probably on the continent. Easier to get to. Or, NY or London -- difficult but the greatest value. I suppose, if I had to pick one city, I'd say London. Good local support assets, symbolic, culturally rich and European.
35 posted on 11/12/2006 9:29:33 AM PST by FlameThrower
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To: FlameThrower
'Welcome to the future!'
36 posted on 11/12/2006 9:31:41 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: FlameThrower

It won't be London.. Blair is out, and the Dems do not realize the evil with which they are dealing. The worst hurt comes from destroying America. The old addage about the scorpion and the turtle will ring true, with the Slammies being the ones "who just couldn't help it."


37 posted on 11/12/2006 9:32:48 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Noumenon
RE: "We are long overdue for a cleansing of the murderous, treasonous Left from our country."

I certainly agree -- and have for decades.

It's been fifty years but I swear I remember something about defending against domestic enemies in the enlistment oath of the Armed Forces of the United States.

If necessary there's what I have often said, Every two-hundred-year-old republic is entitled to at least one patriot-dictator. Hey! I don't make the rules.

38 posted on 11/12/2006 9:50:26 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: FlameThrower

Excellent post. Thanks!


39 posted on 11/12/2006 9:58:38 AM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: FlameThrower

Nice take on the current times.


40 posted on 11/12/2006 10:18:02 AM PST by e_castillo
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To: txzman
Israel will be wiped out unless they act now...and they know it.
That little island,England, will experience increased attacks and it sure as hell won't be the IRA bombing it this time. France? Those street riots you have been hearing about are the spear points of what could be still another civil war. The message the Mullahs have been spreading about us is true, "America does not have the stomach for all out War" and now thanks to the left our allies are left twisting in a Sirocco of terrorism and our own country divided. All the terrorists need to be completely successful is for there to be a Civil War in our deeply divided country similar to the ones they have orchestraed in Iraq and Paris.
41 posted on 11/12/2006 10:20:32 AM PST by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: FlameThrower
"The failure is ours, the American people’s."

In this regard, Iraq is quite similar to Viet Nam.

"Bush’s original strategy was preemption: to attack and destroy the terrorist in their homes before they could muster an attack. To eliminate the festering failed States that sustained them. It morphed under pressure to nation-building. We will soon adopt a third way: we will “redeploy” out of Iraq – tail between our legs. And the terrorist will follow us home. The nuclear attacks will be random, unstoppable and devastating."

Again just as in Viet Nam. The only difference was that Communism wasn't about destroying the Western ideology to death, which is the goal of Islam. It is mind blowing to believe the leftist's in this country, can't or won't understand and accept that fact.

I am sure that I am not the only one who knew exactly what needed to be done on 9/12/01. But I also knew we wouldn't have the fortitude to do it. There is still time. I am not quite as fatalistic as this excellent writer, but close. As, that said, the Rubicon is about to be crossed.

42 posted on 11/12/2006 10:21:46 AM PST by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?")
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To: Gaffer

The damage has already been done. The important thing is to not go wobbly.


43 posted on 11/12/2006 10:29:06 AM PST by KyHammer (Get over it)
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To: FlameThrower

Personally, I agree with this author, but disagree about what the use of nukes in our cities would do. Face it, the nukes would kill mostly Democrats...


44 posted on 11/12/2006 10:31:39 AM PST by wastoute
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To: beebuster2000

An, I am with you mega bump.


45 posted on 11/12/2006 10:32:11 AM PST by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?")
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To: Silly
Thanks. And no thanks.

It was a first draft -- written on a flight to the Midwest.

And no, I'll not try again. Too busy earning a living. Too pessimistic to think it will matter. Too old to care much what happens, for myself. Too disgusted to care much what happens to America.

Just scratching a last message in the sand to say "I told you so."
46 posted on 11/12/2006 10:49:58 AM PST by FlameThrower
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To: sauropod

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47 posted on 11/12/2006 10:50:52 AM PST by sauropod ("Come have some pie with me.")
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To: wastoute

They'll wipe out every financial institution and many companies.

People will stampede out into the suburbs. Civil war will ensue. (Look at Houston post-Katrina. Multiply by thousands.)

Distribution of food and medicine will suffer. Barter economies do not work well over long distances.

I'm sort of glad I'm approaching 60. Wouldn't want to be around like that for long.


48 posted on 11/12/2006 10:57:09 AM PST by FlameThrower
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To: KyHammer
Don't look for help from the White House though; they've fell into making up the facts to go along wtih their agenda.

I don't think Bush, Cheney and Rice are going softly into that good night.

49 posted on 11/12/2006 11:15:32 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: FlameThrower
Nukes are paradigm-shifting weapons that invalidate Segura’s Law. You can maintain a stiff upper lip to the occasional terror bombing, but stoical detachment cannot withstand nuclear attack.

Well, with respect and not to seem overly mordant, this is not shown. If the will to reply is not there, it isn't going to happen. And what might possibly motivate leadership not to reply to a nuclear terrorist attack?

That's very simple. A leadership with motivations other and superior to the defense of its citizens, such as the promotion of world government, might find not replying in its overall interest. One faced with massive retaliation from other governments who back the terrorists for their own interests might not reply. One weakened and enervated by faction might find it convenient not to reply if its ideological foes are the only ones attacked.

It's perfectly imaginable. I think that in the current radical wing of the Democratic party we see figures who are more than capable of allowing this sort of outrage in pursuit of some "higher" goal.

Do not give up your guns, because the police who will be told to protect you might just as easily be told not to. The same goes for national defense.

50 posted on 11/12/2006 11:32:46 AM PST by Billthedrill
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