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Minister: We warn states against recognizing Kosovo ^

Posted on 11/12/2006 2:43:11 PM PST by kronos77

BELGRADE -- Aleksandar Popović says Ahtisaari’s postponement of Kosovo status due to Serbia’s elections is an excuse. “Ahtisaari’s plan to secretly, working behind our backs, draft a paper on Kosovo’s independence fell through. The real reason why it fell through is Russia’s firm and principled position that UN Charter cannot be breached, and it would appear Ahtisaari understood the Russian ‘no’ quite clearly”, science minister Aleksandar Popović says. Popović, of prime minister Koštunica’s Democratic Party of Serbia (DSS), believes that the best option Martti Ahtisaari has at this time is to step down and let an impartial and objective international mediator take over. “Our government is sending out a clear warning that any unilateral recognition of Kosovo’s independence would have serious consequences. This applies to the NATO countries in particular, those that bombarded Serbia [in 1999]. In that case we would have to ask whether Serbia was in fact bombarded so that 15 percent of our territory could be taken away“, Popović told journalists.

TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antichristianity; balkans; clintonlegacy; dhimmwit; ihoppy; jihadhoplite; kneepads; kosovo; muslim; pancakeboy; serbia; toothlessdhimmi; wrongside; wrongwar

1 posted on 11/12/2006 2:43:14 PM PST by kronos77
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To: joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; ...


2 posted on 11/12/2006 2:44:38 PM PST by kronos77 ( and Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: kronos77
Science minister, eh?

What're the Serbs gonna do? Turn their weather machine against all who recognize Kosovo?

It's going to be a fun January.

3 posted on 11/12/2006 2:45:53 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: kronos77

Depressing business. Clinton fought this war on the wrong side, probably so he could get a cut of the Albanian drug business, judging from his earlier career.

Bush has refused to admit that clinton was wrong. If he hasn't done so in six years, he certainly won't know. The Russians will try to help their Little Brother Serbs, but it's not likely to go anywhere.

It's a terrible precedent, going in, bombing a civilian population, taking a province away from a sovereign nation, and handing it over to drug-smuggling, terrorist Muslims. But there it is, nearly a fait accompli.

4 posted on 11/12/2006 3:06:15 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

If only this was the exception to an otherwise stellar example of that 'Shining City Upon A Hill'. Empire building has been around since before recorded history, they employ the same tactics, though the technology changes, the methods and motives remain constant, and ever damned last one of them ended the very damned same way…doing the same things over and over again, each time expecting a totally different result. Sounds pretty 'progressive' to me!

Tracking Covert Actions into the Future

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To: Hoplite

Kosovo is not going to happen Helot!

6 posted on 11/12/2006 4:39:53 PM PST by eleni121 (sometimes you have to cut off the limb to save the body)
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To: All

I have no faith in the US State department to seriously know what is going on.

The fact that the X41 crowd is back in action for GWBush is 100% a BAD sign.

7 posted on 11/12/2006 4:51:42 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! and
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To: Hoplite

I guess you're planning on the foreign "peace keepers" being there forever 'cause the minute they leave, Kosovo will return to Serbia as justice and the Serbian Army return.

Too bad for you, Dhimmi. Take your kneepads elsewhere.

8 posted on 11/12/2006 8:12:30 PM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FormerLib; Hoplite; ma bell; Bokababe; kronos77; eleni121
Remember, FormerLib, that Hoplite, as an atheist, doesn't even make dhimmi!!!! Some people call dhimmi-like individuals who aren't Christians or Jews and thus don't qualify for dhimmihood "Dhimmwits"!!!! "Helot" works too, Eleni!

Yes, Hoplite, Serbia will turn its weather machine on all who recognize a bogusly indpendent KLA state. How did you know about the Tesla weather machine?

9 posted on 11/12/2006 8:21:21 PM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: eleni121
Kosovo is not going to happen

It's already happened.

You're just too dense to see it.

10 posted on 11/12/2006 8:26:01 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

['It's going to be a fun January."]

Yes, and the weather can get cold...indeed, very cold my good friend.

11 posted on 11/12/2006 8:27:34 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: FormerLib

He's just an Osshole!

12 posted on 11/12/2006 8:37:01 PM PST by MadelineZapeezda (Madeline Albright ZaPeezda, no doubt about it!)
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic
How unfortunate you weren't around when the Serbian hope was that the snows were going to close the roads and the KLA was going to ambush NATO supply convoys.

Ah yes, the good old days. Are we going to resurrect the heady optimism of those days except substitute Serbs for the KLA as far as who's doing the ambushing?

Do tell.

13 posted on 11/12/2006 8:37:29 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Yeah sure Helot.

The Euroweenies are waking to the fact of Albanian Muslman mafiosi...but you have some sort of Stockholm syndrome playing a game in your head.

14 posted on 11/12/2006 8:42:05 PM PST by eleni121 (sometimes you have to cut off the limb to save the body)
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To: eleni121
We'll revisit this conversation in February.

I look forward to it.

15 posted on 11/12/2006 8:55:13 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
Hoplite, I don't think you're seeing the bigger picture.

However, I do think you are correct (in another post) to suggest that we should revisit this discussion early next year. I would propose that we discuss this in March instead of February.
16 posted on 11/12/2006 9:51:40 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: Hoplite

They why are they sending in their version; of "Sins of the Father"; Wisner as Envoy. It's amazing the private joke they have going. Frankie boy simply finishing what his Dad has started in the late 1940's.

Today we have...

" Frank Wisner legacy

“It looks like Wisner had a behind the scenes role in the Balkans for years. Scroll to: Holbrooke's Best Friend to be the US Special Envoy for Kosovo Status Talks:

Former US Ambassador turned businessman Frank Wisner is said to have been selected to become Washington 's envoy in the Kosovo status negotiations, the Belgrade media reported on a Reuters news item. The news agency commented that, through this appointment, the US are demonstrating the wish to give encouragement to the negotiations and get the job done in the right way. Wisner, who served in India, the Philippines, Egypt, and Zambia, is accused by his critics for having worked for the CIA all that time, and for having promoted the interests of the former powerful energy company Enron."

Enron-CIA scandal about that Dabhol plant when Wisner was US ambassador to India. The Power Elite: Enron and Frank Wisner: A Wisner staffer told InterPress Services that "if anybody asked the CIA to help promote US business in India, it was probably Frank." Greater Albania is a major US strategic aim to safeguard the route of the Albania-Macedonia-Bulgaria Oil pipeline [AMBO] and to ensure US regional hegemony. In January 1997, Edward Ferguson, "Director of Oil & Gas Development in Brown & Root, was appointed President & CEO of AMBO."

and in the past..............

The CIA and Greater Albania: The Origins of the US Role in the Balkans

By Carl K. Savich

"The US even sent aid and weapons to a Communist country. Following the 1948 split between Joseph Stalin and Josip Broz Tito, the Yugoslav government requested through CIA channels that the US provide arms to Yugoslavia , fearing an invasion by the USSR . Frank Lindsay, the Office of Policy Co-ordination (OPC) deputy to Frank Wisner, recalled: “Tito was the man for the West to back… We sent him five shiploads of weapons.”
The US and UK were also determined to keep the Communist guerrillas in Greece from taking power. Operation Valuable/Fiend was also a diversionary operation meant to deny bases for Greek Communist insurgents and to divert Soviet or Communist resources away from Greece .

Operation Valuable/Fiend

British foreign secretary Ernest Bevin approved the MI6 operation to overthrow the Hoxha regime in February, 1949. The chief of MI6, Stewart Menzies, was not enthusiastic about the paramilitary operation but saw it as a way to appease the former SOE “stinks and bangs people.” The Albanian regime change was a rollback operation meant to “detach” Albania , a “captive nation”, from the Soviet bloc. Strategically, the UK and US objective was to establish a strategic presence on the Balkan peninsula . The British wanted the US to finance the operation and to provide bases. Senior British intelligence officer William Hayter, who chaired the Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC), came to Washington in March with a group of Secret Intelligence Service (SIS) members and Foreign Office staff that included Gladwyn Jebb, Earl Jellicoe, and Peter Dwyer of MI6 and a Balkans specialist. They met with Robert Joyce of the US State Department’s Policy and Planning Staff (PPS) and Frank Wisner, who was the head of the Office of Policy Co-ordination (OPC), which was administered by the CIA. Wisner had been an attorney who had represented the financial interests of wealthy Albanian refugees who had been members of the Nazi-fascist collaborative group, the Balli Kombetar. So there had also been a monetary connection between US intelligence and the former Nazi/fascist Albanian Balli Kombetar members..........


" By 1952, the CIA had taken over all the intelligence operations of the British in the Balkans. On July 23, 1951, the US air dropped 12 commandos in Albania Six were killed immediately, four were surrounded and burned to death in a house, and two were captured. The operation was a complete disaster. Abas Ermenji did not want to witness any more of his Balli Kombetar followers to take “another tumble through the meat grinder” and so discouraged any more missions. Wisner, nevertheless, sought to continue the pixie incursions, having the support of CIA Deputy Director Allen Dulles. The CIA airdropped Hamit Matjani, the Tiger, in 1952, who was killed during this operation, his 16th mission. Dulles stated: “At least we’re getting the experience we need for the next war.”

Up to 200 agents would be killed during the operation with an estimated additional several thousand Albanian civilians killed in reprisal. Abas Ermenji stated: “Our ‘allies’ wanted to make use of Albania as a guinea-pig, without caring about the human losses, for an absurd enterprise that was condemned to failure.” Halil Nerguti stated: “We were used as an experiment. We were a small part of a big game, pawns that could be sacrificed.” There is no question that the CIA and MI6 used the operation as a small-scale exercise in regime change. The stakes were small. Failure would not be noticed. John H. Richardson, the CIA Director of the South-East Division, terminated Operation Fiend and by 1954 the Company 400 was disbanded and the training facilities in Heidelberg , Germany shut down, as well as the CIA base on the Greek island. The remaining Albanians were resettled in the US , UK , and the Commonwealth countries...........

It's funny that this operation is never mentioned in all the others that are mentioned....for example -

"Throughout the CIA's 45 years, one president after an- other has used it to intervene secretly, and sometimes not so secretly, in the domestic affairs of other countries, presuming their affairs were ours. Almost always, money was spent for activities to prop up political forces considered friendly to U.S. interests, or to weaken and destroy those considered unfriendly or threatening.


The friends were easy to define: those who believed and acted like us, took orders, cooperated. Until the collapse of communism in Eastern Europe, enemies were also readily recognized: the Soviet Union and its allies, with China having ambiguous status since the 1970s. But how to explain covert action taken against others, not associated with the Soviets? Iran in 1953, Guatemala in 1954, Indonesia in 1958, Cuba in 1959, Ecuador in 1963, Brazil in 1964, Chile in 1970, Nicaragua in 1979, and Grenada in 1983-to name a few. These governments, and others attacked by the U.S., were left, nationalist, reform-minded, populist or simply uncooperative-and U.S. hostility did indeed drive some of them to seek arms and other support from the Soviet Union. But why initially were they seen as threatening?

What U.S. interests needed protection from these governments or from like-minded movements seeking power? The answers to these questions from the past show the need for continuity in the future. Although the Cold War has ended, the covert and overt interventions which characterized it will surely continue undiminished in the post-Soviet era."

I'll be finished this week on our little long past pet tied up lately. But, it's an interesting piece about FDR....what's funny is that the links are even up to this day. Amazing huh?

17 posted on 11/12/2006 11:19:42 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Hoplite; LjubivojeRadosavljevic

he's right, with the exception of the mule trains....which would offer little or no serious resupply capability. I'm glad you offered this link. It's shows how one sided and brainwashed that you are. Ever since 2001....imagine that....who would ever have thunk it...:))

18 posted on 11/12/2006 11:23:33 PM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Hoplite; Bokababe; joan; montyspython; DTA; getoffmylawn; ma bell; Beckwith; ...

Kosovo Status: Delay Is Risky


11 Oct 06 ( - The Kosovo final status process risks breaking down the further the decision is pushed back into 2007. The six-nation Contact Group that has sponsored the process must at a minimum deliver a timely endorsement of the settlement package that UN envoy Martti Ahtisaari should present before the end of January. The UN Security Council must also pass a resolution superseding 1244 (1999) to allow the UN Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK) to transfer its responsibilities to Kosovo’s government and pave the way for new international bodies being readied by the EU. Acting together, the U.S. and the EU need to show the political will to recognize Kosovo as independent, and fend off partition moves from Serbia and the Serb north of Kosovo.

How some key actors will behave remains unpredictable. Russia may refuse consensus in the Contact Group and block decisions in the Security Council; not all EU member states are at ease with the likely outcome. While it is uncertain whether Serbia will offer serious or only token resistance to Kosovo independence, it will certainly support the Serb north’s bid to break completely with independent Kosovo. But the two thirds of Kosovo Serbs south of the Ibar River are not yet planning to leave: will Belgrade urge them to flee Kosovo or allow them to come to terms with the new state of affairs? Another question is whether the U.S. and EU will put resources behind repeated verbal commitments not to allow partition.

The direction in which matters seem to be moving offers much potential for instability. Due primarily to Russia, the Security Council will likely endorse only the narrowest of formulas for Kosovo’s independence. Ahtisaari will have to strip his settlement package of all symbolic and some functional elements of independence to get it through the Council.

Despite international officials’ denials, the settlement taking shape may resemble Bosnia’s Dayton Agreement more than Macedonia’s Ohrid. The prerogatives contemplated for the projected post-status International Community Representative are growing, and a less complete transfer of power to Kosovo’s own government is being envisaged. Kosovo’s deep Albanian-Serb cleavage, and fears of the latter’s exodus or suppression, have prompted Ahtisaari to craft decentralization provisions that largely insulate most Kosovo Serbs from Pristina and give Belgrade continuing influence. The hope is that this will aid a peaceful, stable transition. The price will be difficult institutional arrangements that it may be necessary to disentangle later for EU accession purposes.

Kosovo’s relative stability over the past year should not encourage the international community to imagine it has the luxury of finessing both sides. It has already indulged a Serbian constitutional process intended to undermine the international community’s plans for Kosovo, helping thereby to consolidate Belgrade behind retrogressive electoral practices and ideologies of the Milosevic era. Ahtisaari agreed on 10 November to delay presentation of his proposal after Belgrade set a definite 21 January 2007 date for parliamentary elections.

It is important that no further slippage take place. Further delay would be taken in Belgrade not as a cue to cooperate with an orderly Kosovo process but as a further opportunity to wreck it. Kosovo Albanian social and political fragility offer Belgrade a last opportunity to change the outcome. And delay much into 2007 would severely test Kosovo Albanian cohesion. Politicians have promised their constituents independence this year and have articulated no vision for the period after. They have marginal capacity to implement precisely the complex choreography the international community envisages as producing independence.

The longer the Kosovo Albanians are forced to wait, the greater the chance they will discredit themselves with unilateral independence moves or riots. The pendulum of international support and sympathy would then swing away from them, as after the March 2004 riots. That would virtually finish prospects for retaining the Serbs of the north in a multi-ethnic Kosovo and see many leave the south. Instead of finally closing the question of western Balkan borders with an orderly Kosovo settlement, a new destabilizing chapter would be opened.


To the Contact Group (U.S., UK, France, Germany, Italy, and Russia):

1. Act without delay on the settlement package to be presented by UN envoy Ahtisaari, and without watering it down.

To the United Nations Security Council:

2. Pass at the earliest opportunity a resolution that endorses the Ahtisaari package; supersedes Resolution 1244 (1999); brings to an end the UN Mission in Kosovo and redistributes its powers to Kosovo’s government and the new international presences stipulated in the Ahtisaari package.

“Austria Press”: Ahtisaari’s Proposal To Become Public In March 2007

11 Nov 06 (Radio Kosova) – “Austria Press” news agency, quoting foreign diplomats said that Ahtisaari is planning to make public his proposal for the status of Kosova at the Security Council in March 2007.

Ahtisaari’s spokesperson, Jua Jiang, did not confirm this information, but she said that “no dates have been set”. “Our new step will be the continuance of our work on the proposal, and consultations with the International negotiator”, said Jiang. “It depends on the will of both sides if they decide to continue the negotiations to reach a consensus on the technical issues”, stated Jiang.

now, let's revisit reality and determine if they are ready for independence as of today...........

"I received a report from sources within Kosovo as of today 13 November 06. It has long be forecasted that if the UN does not give the Albanians what they want, the population would rise up and "bite the hand that feeds" them. These groups have been against UNMIK before, from shooting UNMIK CivPol Officers, to one incident where a CivPol Red and White was blown up in broad daylight while en-route and with a remote controlled explosive device. This sick act was caught on film via an outside security camera, for starters. My source believes that even now the situation has become even more serious and “troublesome”.

The groups are distributing flyers or putting toilets in front of the gate which was just a bothersome tactic. However, a K-Albanian group has now threatened to put explosive devices on UN vehicles. The group responsible for this is reportedly the Self-Determination group or Kurti's group, that is threatening to put explosive devices on the vehicles. This has apparently caused UN Security to distribute warnings to staff members to check under their vehicles and in addition, there have been reports of a few individuals that are apparently starting to tamper with the UN vehicles creating potentially deadly consequences. Reportedly, and only a few days ago, the entire wheel of one of the UNMIK 4Runners came off while the staff member was driving the vehicle.

While investigating the incident, Investigators discovered that someone had tampered with the wheel and the bolts removed. This coincides with another threat against UN vehicles where a certain extremist group said they would deflate tires and otherwise vandalize the vehicles in itself is not new.

Finally, another recent activity of the Self-Determination Group has been in the Gnjilane region. Members of this group have been apparently stepping in front of moving UN vehicles thereby forcing the drivers to apply emergency braking procedures and then either accosting the drivers or attempting to put stickers on the vehicles. Reports are also coming in that members of the group have been attempting to spit on international staff members while walking or driving. "

19 posted on 11/13/2006 7:05:39 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
It is interesting that the mission name(UNMIK) means enemy (i.e. non-friend) in Albanian (unmik). The writing is on the wall, the invisible hand was plannning ahead.

“Our government is sending out a clear warning that any unilateral recognition of Kosovo’s independence would have serious consequences. This applies to the NATO countries in particular, those that bombarded Serbia [in 1999]. In that case we would have to ask whether Serbia was in fact bombarded so that 15 percent of our territory could be taken away“.

This can of warms was planned deliberatelly.

20 posted on 11/13/2006 7:47:32 AM PST by DTA (Mr. President, Condy is asleep at the wheel !)
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To: DTA; tgambill
Kosovo is going to get unglued very soon. The KLA and supporters will start killing UNMIK and NATO personnel like they did the Serbs. The only logical solution when this happens will be to let the Serbs return and police their Province while UNMIK and NATO realize that they in fact bombed the wrong side....
21 posted on 11/13/2006 9:42:19 AM PST by Wraith (To have peace prepare for War.)
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To: kronos77


22 posted on 11/13/2006 12:39:25 PM PST by F-117A ( UNMIK = United Nations Muslims in Kosovo)
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To: Honorary Serb

I know calling him a Dhimmi isn't exactly accurate, but I don't know the Albanian term for "transvestite prostitute" so I call him Dhimmi instead.

23 posted on 11/13/2006 1:37:28 PM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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24 posted on 11/13/2006 1:44:40 PM PST by griswold3 (I cried when I erased my tagline....)
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To: KosovoSerb
No doubt NATO will cower before the invincible military juggernaut that is Serbia and you will carry the day.


26 posted on 11/13/2006 3:49:52 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: KosovoSerb

Find a responsible adult and ask them to slap some sense into you.

28 posted on 11/13/2006 4:08:54 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

NATO will one day be a thing of the past and the Serbs will still own Kosovo. Tough luck, Dhimmi.

30 posted on 11/13/2006 5:30:01 PM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: KosovoSerb
The KLA will attack Nato shortly as they wont be able to control themselves too much longer.

5 years and waiting...

As you can see, you're not the first chucklehead to try his hand at divination.

You got an ETA on your prophesy, or is it intentionally vague to preclude your ever being wrong?

31 posted on 11/13/2006 6:42:58 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Oh snap.

32 posted on 11/13/2006 6:45:58 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: DTA; Bokababe; joan; montyspython; getoffmylawn; ma bell; Beckwith; Southside_Chicago_Republican; ..

"This can of worms was planned deliberately"

It was planned in 1948 which was one of the first failed operations with Frank Wisner a part of it...operation Fiend. You are correct, and on target. The Serbs should be allowed in to clean it up since the U.S., UN; NATO, OSCE and Santa Claus has failed to do in any form. Absolutely no progress except $$$$$$$ for certain internationals and Albanian Mafia et al. As you say, my opinion is that it was a success......went just as expected and planned. A can of worms from day one. Now, once Independence is achieved, Serbia, Macedonia and Russia will be either targeted or provoked..........ONCE AGAIN!!!!!! Catch this action.......just did some research on another project, found this little bit of interesting trivia....Notice how Wilson promotes and gives us the same old BS that we hear about the United al.

29 June 1919 – Treaty is a Great Charter for New Order, Says Wilson . “He Issues Statement Indicating Benefits to be Derived Under Pact.” The benefits which may be derived from the, Peace Treaty were pointed out yesterday by President Wilson in a message addressed: “ to my fellow countrymen,” the following is the test of the message: “The Treaty of Peace has been signed. If it is ratified and acted upon in full and sincere execution of its term it will furnish the charter for a new order of affairs in the world. It is a severe treaty in the duties and penalties it imposes upon Germany, but it is severe only because great wrongs done by Germany were to be righted and repaired; it imposes nothing that Germany cannot do; and she can regain her rightful standing in the world by the prompt and honorable fulfillment of its terms.

“And it is much more than a treaty of peace with Germany . It liberates great peoples who have never before been able to find the way to liberty. It ends, once for all, an old and intolerable order under which small groups of selfish men could use the peoples of great Empires to serve their own ambition for power and dominion. It associates the free Governments of the world in a permanent league in which they are pledged to use their united power to maintain peace by maintaining right and justice.

“It makes international law a reality supported by imperative sanctions. It does away with the right of conquest and rejects the policy of annexation and substitutes a new order under which backward nations, populations which have not yet come to political consciousness and peoples who are for independence but not yet quite prepared to dispense with protection and guidance, shall no more be subjected to the domination and exploitation of a stronger nation, but shall be put under the friendly direction and afforded the helpful assistance of governments which undertake to be responsible to the opinion of mankind in the execution of their task by accepting the direction of the League of Nations.

“It recognizes the inalienable rights of nationality; the rights of minorities, and the sanctity of religious belief and practice. It lays the basis for conventions which shall free the commercial intercourse of the world from unjust and vexatious restrictions and for every sort of international co-operation that will serve to cleanse the life of the world and facilitate its common action in beneficent services of every kind. It furnishes guarantees such as were never given or even contemplated before the fair treatment of all who labor at the daily talks of the world.

“It is for this reason that I have spoken of it as a great charter for a new order of affairs. There is ground here for deep satisfaction, universal reassurance and confident hope.
“Woodrow Wilson.”

Okay, blah blah the truth comes out the one day after the League has it's first meeting, imagine that...

Check out this link......I discovered in some research last night. All of us that have been studying this NWO "Concept" are aware that President Wilson was eventually a part of it. Now, FDR when he was the Assistant Sec. of the Navy, as history has told us was upset over America's slowness to enter WWI. He and Sec Nav Daniels was always in a conflict. FDR then, was also somewhat disgruntled over the slowness of Wilson to jump into WWI as well. Well, Wilson finally came through and declared war and so on. It is also signficant to note that the Rockefellers made $200,000,000 in WWI. Anyway, jumping ahead, leaving a lot of other such known provocations, there is one aspect I would like share, that I found out last night. The League of Nations was the forerunner of the UN. I submit that this was the first real coordinated effort to form the one world government that they thought they had a chance to make happen. The presence of the Parallel government was apparent even then. We know that FDR was a part of it already. Wilson was not, until certain events happened that resulted in Wilson coming on board with the parallel government. One last point, we know that the league did not succeed because the U.S. was not in favor and "Congress" refused to participate. So, that being said, let me demonstrate.

After the war, here we go watch this trend knowing the history.....

17 January 1920 - Envoys of Erin Protest Formally Against League

Mr. Sean T. O’Ceallaigh and M.r G. Gavan Duffy, envoys of the “elected Government of the Irish Republic in Paris ,” entered their formal protest against the holding of the initial meeting of the League of Nations Council yesterday in a letter addressed to Lord Curzon, the British member of the Council.

“Ireland, one of the oldest nations in Christendom,” they declared, a “nation which was for centuries the centre of culture and enlightment in the Western World, and now the only nation of its proud status in Europe still crushed under the heel of a foreign military oppressor,” objects to the League as now constituted for several reasons.

They characterize the League as an engine of empire “designed to secure and perpetuate the hegemony of England throughout both hemispheres,” as a monument of English hypocrisy, entombing the liberties of millions of men in Ireland, in Egypt, in Dutch South Africa, in Persia, in India, and in the Far East: it lack authority, it is illusory and partial, founded on English discrimination against English’s enemies and victims, and it is dominated by English control,” and finally, because the “great United States stands out in indignant repudiation.”

“We deny to this League its claim to recognition as an instrument of peace; judged by the test of Ireland , it is already an instrument of war.” The letter continues, and warns the “Imperalist Governments” that, upon it’s present model, “their league cannot last.”

Apparently the letter was not received by Lord Curzon before the opening of yesterday’s meeting, as no reference of it appeared in the official minutes of the session. Copies of the letter were distributed by Irish sympathizers to other delegates and guests at the meeting. [The Front Page; From the International Herald Tribune 1887-1980; P. 21. The New York Herald; European Edition – Paris , Saturday, January 17, 1920].

33 posted on 11/14/2006 12:49:25 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill

Although we seem to have an excellent track record throughout the Lesser Developed World, where better to perfect Balkanization techniques? Bringing Mohamed to the mountains…so to speak.

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To: Honorary Serb

Why WE have one cooking up in Alaska…look up H.A.R.P. It's a 'research' project.

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To: Honorary Serb

I'm having execution problems…too much caffeine, too little sleep.
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To: Hoplite

["Oh snap."]

Hey Hoplite, it looks like you're starting to talk to yourself :-).

37 posted on 11/14/2006 6:44:47 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: Hoplite

LOL! So you are congratulating yourself now, Dhimmi?

Might as well since no loyal Americans are going to.

38 posted on 11/15/2006 11:55:55 AM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Tommy-the-pissed-off-Brit
Western Europe's being overrun by radical Muslims as we speak and you think the real threat is Kosovo?

Actually, I think the problem was the Western Allies who were damn fools enough to help the Mussie's secure their footholds in Bosnia and Kosovo. Ah well, when the Mussie's plow you guys under, the Serbs will be free to stop them the only way known to work.

40 posted on 11/16/2006 3:58:18 PM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

Yes, and using poor vernacular to boot.

41 posted on 11/17/2006 8:16:55 AM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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