Posted on 11/13/2006 12:28:51 AM PST by xtinct
The classic New England Republican -- fiscally conservative, socially liberal -- is near death, following a long and quiet decline that began more then a decade ago when the GOP nationally began its move to the right.
It is a political breed generations old.
The Democratic tidal wave in Tuesday's elections claimed several victims in seats that had long been in Republican hands. Scholars say the losses may be the death knell for the traditional "rock-ribbed" New England Republican.
(Excerpt) Read more at newsday.com ...
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
Really?!!! Hmmm...let's see...so all the republican minded (i.e. sane) people are moving south from Yankeeland for GWB?!!!
If you say so. For those of us who couldn't care less about the social conservatives, the loss of fiscal conservatives stings.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
"...fiscally conservative, socially liberal... "
Isn't that a Libertarian?
Regards, Ivan
I find it very interesting that this article states that a move towards social conservativism (and in some respects, away from fiscal conservativism) is perceived as a move to the right.
It seems to me that we're talking about a realignment of right-leaning priorities, not a "move right," as the AP writer chooses to call it.
I'm conservative in both respects, so perhaps my judgement is cloudy as to what "to the right" means, but I don't think so.
I wasn't speaking to Chafee.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
Judd Gregg is just pretending to be a Republican?
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus
As long as someone is either a fiscal conservative, or social conservative, or both, I think he/she should be able to be called a Republican. If we require only social and fiscal conservative can be a Republican, we're doomed as a party.
Message boards were full of notes to disenchanted MA residents to please pass on moving to New Hampshire - some bluntly stating "We don't want you here. We like our state exactly as it is"
Election resulted in more Dems elected in New Hamshire..."mini Massachusetts" has commenced there clearly.
Regards, Ivan
Bingo... I always found that odd too.
Hey, I'm in New Hampshire and am as conservative as any of you:}
"As long as someone is either a fiscal conservative, or social conservative, or both, I think he/she should be able to be called a Republican. If we require only social and fiscal conservative can be a Republican, we're doomed as a party."
The problem is that the main core of the Republican party are now Democrats. But they still like to be called Republicans.
The terms Republican and Conservative used to be synonymous. They haven't been for a long time. I believe Reagain said at one time, when he was a Democrat, "the party left me, I didn't leave them".
The same thing has happened to the Republicans. There's a good reason there's a lot of interest in third parties.
Yeah soon to be House minority leader Mike Pence is a democrat, and finally the GOP will have someone with cajones in the Seanate as their leader, Mitch McConell.
Do you guys, such as you caver, ever read what you write.
OH BTW, the "new" democrats that put the democrats over the top ran as GOP lite to win, but once in DC will vote the pelosi line.
BTW, have you noticed that lou dobbs is cooing over nancey pelosi.
"Yeah soon to be House minority leader Mike Pence is a democrat, and finally the GOP will have someone with cajones in the Seanate as their leader, Mitch McConell."
Oh yes, I actually read what I write. Mike Pence who happens to be my rep, is an exception to the RINOs.
I was speaking in generalities. It remains to be seen whether Pence will be able to pull the Pubs back under one umbrella. I don't think it's posssible. Pence is too nice of a guy to play the game that the Dems are so good at. But I would be plesantly surprised if he gets nasty.
You are correct.
Very true. We are THE Big Tent party.
And anyways, when was the last time the GOP was TRULY fiscally conservative? Socially conservative ....yes. Fiscally conservative ....well, let me say that some of the spending would make Democrat presidents in office before Carter balk!
Yes, this is true, but so are "Yankees" themselves. Mass. and R.I. are the fastest draining states and upstate NY is not far behind. As a temporary stop Pa. seems to be picking up people but these are people who have not yet come to understand that for various reasons it is also dying.
I heard a rat say New England was the Democrat's solid South." I'll take that trade anyday.
No, it's a small-'l' libertarian. A small-'l' libertarian has a live-and-let-live social attitide, but really wants fiscal restraint and limited government. You know, the kind of limited goverment the Republican Party used to stand for.
May he RISE AGAIN!
That's right. The party that was once dominated by, northern chardonnay drinking, ivy league educated, polo watching episcopalians is now run by southern light beer guzzling, state university educated, NASCAR watching evangelicals.
Where's the article about how the dems lost the South?
Vermont was litterally colonized and conquered by wealthy liberals from New York and Boston. They arrived, and in the name of "conservation and evironmental protection" ran the long standing timber industry out (in reality, they didn;t want the vistas from their million dollar mountain homes destroyed by a bunch of stupid natives who make a living chopping down trees).
If one went to the state house in Montpelier, he would see a picture of every governor. All of them are dressed in dark suits and wear upon their faces the expression of old New England Puritan stoicism (think Calvin Coolidge). Except one- Howard Dean. He's dressed and posed for a picture that could go in an LL Bean catalogue.
Regards, Ivan
When all Conservatives get down here, we will finally build that damn wall... ON THE NORTH END OF TOWN!
LLS
maybe you should get out of kalifornia and come see.
If Yankee Republicans are about to become extinct, they have only themselves to blame. They have insisted, foolishly, on adhering to a political philosophy that causes them to become a laughing stock to both political parties.
To paraphrase Alfred Sloan, Yankee Republicans have failed to master change.
The trouble is they are taking the entire party with them.
They all came up to escape the high taxes, but immediately demanded all of the services that they had down south. You'll never guess what happened.
my hometown liberal rag once again affirms why the average american is migrating out of the northeast.
The "Good Ole USofA" is not Republican or Democrat. It is a spirit of optimism, capitalism, and Christianity. When the British colonial governments left and there was no American government, this spirit created the greatest culture that Earth has ever known. It is alive today. It is expanding around the globe. Join it or get out of the way!
Now, there might be a bit of "tongue in cheek" to that story, but the premise is based in the reality of Vermont becoming a haven for dope smoking anti-capitalist anti-Constitutionalist socialists.
And now we have Bernie Sanders in the Senate. There you go.
The idea that he is now a Senator is particularly dreadful.
Regards, Ivan
That was a really stupid article. When the politician being discussed is no longer considered a republican by the overwhelming majority of republicans, they, perhaps are not republicans.
"For those of us who couldn't care less about the social conservatives, the loss of fiscal conservatives stings"
I cannot speak to the house but 'Republican' New england senators like Collins, Snowe, and Chaffee who vote against tax cuts and against energy exploration are not in my panthion of 'fiscal conservatives'.
They exist on the myth of fiscal responsibility but too often the underlying base of votes is simply democrat lite.
North East Conservative:
Socialists that horde their own money and give away others!
What a stupid comment.
Post 41 is for you, too.
What is it with you people who put people like Pelosi and boxer in power to say there are no conservatives in the Northeast? C'mon, get out from behing your computer and go down the the clue store and buy up as many as you can.
There are many of us here, fighting the enemy from their own territory. We may not be winning, but at least we are trying.
it's the human sewers of San Francisco and Los Angeles that are trying to rival New York that puy Pelosi and Boxer in power.
Personally, as a 5th generation Southern Californian, I resent the North Easterners that migrated here and brought the crappy attitude and architecture with them.
Besides, you're being pretty loose with your definitions. I could probably name you a half-dozen Boston Irish politicians you'd swear were rock-ribbed conservatives based on their stance in one or two particular issues . . . and you'd be shocked to see a (D) after their name.
Fair enough, but I resent ignorant generalizations about the northeast.
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