Posted on 11/13/2006 12:31:54 AM PST by goldstategop
The Catholics who voted for JFK would beg to differ, not to mention the blue collar workers who allied themselves to FDR and the dems around the time blacks started moving away from the GOP (around the time blacks started moving in significant numbers from their homes in the south and headed west and north).
A little perspective never hurt. Considering the disastrous pick for RNC head today, we all need to be thinking about this stuff honestly.
You are So right. :-) j/k
Thank you, sir.
In the classical liberal sense, yes. Get into social issues & some conservatives believe the role of the state is to hold a firm line on individualism, for the common good.
Farah is spouting defeatist nonsense.
Could be Farah's waking up the the possibility that using the state to hold the line in the area of morality ends up as a net loss, when cultural influences are doing such a bang up job of undermining them.
What are you talking about? I don't see anyone nationalizing faith! I do see a push for morale and traditional values, which can only be described as GOOD for the country. Gov'ts don't select any religion, but they should recognize peoples FREEDOM to practice it in PUBLIC. Especially Judeo-Christian religion on which most of this countries precepts were founded. Do you recognize this:
FREEDOM OF RELIGION.
You can call yourself a Christian, but I don't know what YOU mean?
You are right. But here is something to think about.
Cultures rise and fall. The Western Empire, before Theodoric bought off the last emperor, was pretty bad. The grandsons of brave Roman soldiers would cut off their thumbs to avoid being called up. Birthrates were low do to abortion and contraception (yes they had that then), and the most pressing worry for many people was what the next show was going to be in the Colosseum.
We are following along the time line in a similar fashion, but with one major difference. Western Rome was Christian, and they were conquered by Christians. Our culture is no longer Christian. Our fall will be a lot more messy.
Yes. The alarming thing is the "warp speed" of the imminent downfall of western civilization. The Roman Empire lasted for hundreds of years. We have gone from "Rosie the Riveter" to "Rosie O'Donnell," in one generation!
Every Federal court ruling about a religious question, where our courts had been previously silent, becomes a step toward establishing secular humanism as the national religion.
I do see a push for morale and traditional values, which can only be described as GOOD for the country.
That works great for you, when your traditions are the ones being imposed. Not so much for those who's traditions are struck down.
Gov'ts don't select any religion, but they should recognize peoples FREEDOM to practice it in PUBLIC. Especially Judeo-Christian religion on which most of this countries precepts were founded. Do you recognize this:
FREEDOM OF RELIGION.
Yes, I recognize freedom of religion. A combined use of the tenth & fourteenth amendments has been the Federal hammer that has been used to infringe upon our freedom of religion. The Federal government has reached into our communities, mostly through the courts, but also with the power of the purse to force us to accept a watered down version of freedom of religion. Uncle Sam even watches over our preachers in their pulpits, through the IRS codes.
Entire states had established churches at our nation's founding. It was once a state power, but not any more. A state would now find its constitution struck down if it tried to reestablish.
You can call yourself a Christian, but I don't know what YOU mean?
Communities or neighborhoods should be *allowed* to establish & anyone living there has to accept it. They don't like the prayers said in school, they can move. Seeing a cross in the public square bothers them, live somewhere that doesn't have one displayed. It would mean we'd have to accept communities following some kind of bizarre cult.
How bout you, do you recognize this:
FREEDOM OF RELIGION.
There are bunch of different but related problems going on - socialism, multiculturalism, liberalism, moral relativism, hedonism, depopulation, etc. You also have cultural elites who are out of touch with reality and mainstream American culture. You can't keep taxing the middle-class out of existence, piling up debt, staging an amoral circus culture, etc., and expect to have a healthy civilization.
No you don't! Alot of what is missed in this whole Separation Of Church and State argument is common sense. A community as long as it does not ESTABLISH religious RULE can place whatever religious symbol in the public square it wants... the problem comes in forcing people to adhere to religious tennants, which would not be the case by just "recognizing" a particlar religions arbitrary sign or allowing people to pray to their God in public.
Every Federal court ruling about a religious question, where our courts had been previously silent, becomes a step toward establishing secular humanism as the national religion.
Now this is something you've hit the nail on the head with! You're absolutely correct and futhermore what secularist are trying to establish is ANTI-JUDGEMENT rulings. So I'm not going to disagree with you at all on this great point you've brought up. Please expound...
Equal protection is equal or it becomes something else. A government has power over government action in lower jurisdictions or it doesn't. A government powerful enough to grant rights is also one that is powerful enough to take them away.
A community as long as it does not ESTABLISH religious RULE can place whatever religious symbol in the public square it wants... the problem comes in forcing people to adhere to religious tennants, which would not be the case by just "recognizing" a particlar religions arbitrary sign or allowing people to pray to their God in public.
A community can not force anyone in it to adhere to the religious tenants chosen by people an area, as long as people are able to move to a different community. You are talking about accepting form over substance. You're telling a tiny cult of separatists to turn their ships around, forming communities that reflect their faith are no longer welcome here, in the land of the free...
Please expound...
I'd like you to chew on the points I made earlier in this post a bit first.
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