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GIUILIANI DELIVERS NY, ARNOLD DELIVERS CA, REAGAN LIVES!
111306 | des

Posted on 11/13/2006 12:54:11 AM PST by des

anyone watching C-Span tonight? (from 11/03/06) earth to rove....listen to Rudy


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1 posted on 11/13/2006 12:54:12 AM PST by des
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To: des

what did he say?


2 posted on 11/13/2006 12:55:42 AM PST by Anti-Hillary (Barbour/Steele '08)
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To: Anti-Hillary

Principles first.


3 posted on 11/13/2006 12:57:54 AM PST by des
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To: des

4 posted on 11/13/2006 12:58:35 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: Liberty Valance

I love AWE. It's just that we so rarely get to use it.


5 posted on 11/13/2006 1:02:45 AM PST by des
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To: des

Rudy was awesome in New Hampshire. The speech and Q and A was on C-Span.

As Mayor, Rudy had a Press conference every single day. There is no one better at it than Rudy. One of the reasons he will be loved by the Press is that he is always availaable.

As more and more people listen to his "straight talk", and his simple but never simplistic explanations about very complex problems, given in a way all can understand, never preaching,never patronizing, more and more people will support him.


6 posted on 11/13/2006 1:06:58 AM PST by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO " We are going to take things away from you for the Common Good ")
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To: Cincinna

Here in "flyover country" he is associated with THE ISSUE, primarily, but, he is much more. Plus, on 11/03/06 his primary reference was REAGAN, REAGAN, REAGAN.


7 posted on 11/13/2006 1:12:45 AM PST by des
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To: Anti-Hillary

I know this is a chat topic, but I was feelin' better for a second there.


8 posted on 11/13/2006 1:20:00 AM PST by des
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To: Cincinna

I've been a Rudy fan for years. A lot of FReepers don't like him, and most have never heard him speak.


9 posted on 11/13/2006 1:38:27 AM PST by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: des
Oh! yeah! Rudy is just overflowing with principles!!!
10 posted on 11/13/2006 1:39:48 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: mariabush

Actually, Rudy talked all about principles. Why don't you take a look at Rudy's speeches, what he has actually said,instead of just regurgitating the same garbage on every thread?


11 posted on 11/13/2006 1:41:43 AM PST by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO " We are going to take things away from you for the Common Good ")
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To: Cobra64

Really? I thought he was pretty liberal fiscally, and with guns too?


12 posted on 11/13/2006 1:42:24 AM PST by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: Cobra64

I don't like Rudy period! I have heard him speak a number of times and he is morally bankrupt!


13 posted on 11/13/2006 1:42:27 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: Cincinna
Talking about principles and making them an integral part of your everyday life are two different things.

Rudy is no "Hero" to me.
14 posted on 11/13/2006 2:07:49 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: des
Not sure about Rudy. I heard he fixed up New York, and the Liberals had it out for him. Liked what he did on September 11th, and the weeks after. However, I have heard he is pro gun control which frightens me.

What is his view on taxes?
15 posted on 11/13/2006 2:12:50 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: Sprite518

anti-gun,pri-abort doesn't get my vote.


16 posted on 11/13/2006 2:15:25 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: des

Isn't Rudy pro choice, pro-gay marriage and pro gun control? I've seen a number of liberal blogs rave about Rudy's liberal tendencies.


17 posted on 11/13/2006 2:18:26 AM PST by Ajnin (I)
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To: Cincinna
Rudy is a Anti-Second Amendment piece of garbage. I would hope that GOA and the NRA would work expose this phony Repub.

Being a NH resident (now a $hit-hole solid blue state), he would never get my vote and I will make sure I get the word out to my friends, neighbors, and members of my fish & game club that this guy is bad news.
18 posted on 11/13/2006 2:55:29 AM PST by MaDeuce (Do it to them, before they do it to you! (MaDuce = M2HB .50 BMG))
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To: des

all of you anti Rudy posters will cry a lot more when hillary becomes president!!!!

he is not the liberal that everyone protrays him...and if the elections have taught anything...the party that is more centrist will win....

hillary has positioned herself right of pelosi and reid..this will help in 2 years

Rudy may not be in favor of guns but does NOT want to amend the 2nd amendment to the constitution.....

He is tough and accurate on many issues....if he runs...he should be supported fully....

again...go ahead...decry and make your point...sit on your hands in 2008....

then in 2009 cry in your beer as the piaps (hillary) is sworn in!!!!!


19 posted on 11/13/2006 3:21:34 AM PST by hnj_00
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To: des

He's stood up to Al Sharpton and Al Quaida, but I will admit his "liberal views" (Abortion, Gay Rights, Guns) will have to "evolve" for me to feel totally comfortable with him.

In all honesty Bush 41 in his heart was for or is for those things and Bush 43 has had to play to conservatives but I'm sure his heart is more moderate like his father's. And lets not forget that Ronald Reagan came out for the Brady Bill, too. (Back in 1993)


20 posted on 11/13/2006 3:23:15 AM PST by Nextrush (Chris Matthews Band: "I get high....I get high.....I get high....McCain.")
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To: proud_yank
You are correct, not a 2nd Amendment man.
21 posted on 11/13/2006 3:59:04 AM PST by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: Ajnin

"Isn't Rudy pro choice, pro-gay marriage and pro gun control? I've seen a number of liberal blogs rave about Rudy's liberal tendencies".....

Rudy might be those things, but so is HILLARY! I think Rudy is the only person who can beat her. He will draw the Independents, the Moderate Democrats AND the Men's votes. If it comes down to Hillary vs Guiliani...guess who I'm going to vote for!! Look what happened to Allen, he's as Conservative as they come and he couldn't even win back his Senate Seat. If he had been running against Hillary for President it wouldn't even have been a contest! She would have beaten him like a Drum.


22 posted on 11/13/2006 4:22:27 AM PST by grannylinedancer
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To: des

Rudy's far from perfect, but IMO he's the reps only hope for POTUS in 2008. McCain would fade at the end, and none of the rest have a chance in hell.


23 posted on 11/13/2006 4:28:06 AM PST by tkathy (The choice is clear: White hat people or white flag people.)
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To: des

Rudy's far from perfect, but IMO he's the reps only hope for POTUS in 2008. McCain would fade at the end due to the age thing, and none of the rest have a chance in hell.


24 posted on 11/13/2006 4:28:30 AM PST by tkathy (The choice is clear: White hat people or white flag people.)
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To: hnj_00

For starters, anyone who thinks Hitlery Clintong is the be all, end all of the '08 election has already conceded defeat, believes the left wing media driven drivel, or has other motives.


25 posted on 11/13/2006 4:32:13 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Cincinna
One of the reasons he will be loved by the Press is that he is always available.

Are you kidding me?!!! The Press D E S P I S E D him as mayor. Until 9/11 they did nothing but tear him apart and misrepresent his every word to show him in as bad a light as possible.

To be fair, it never fooled the voters once, and it said a lot more about the irresponsibility of the media than it did about Guliani, but to say that the press loved him is a gross distortion.

26 posted on 11/13/2006 4:32:18 AM PST by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: hnj_00
if the elections have taught anything...the party that is more centrist will win....

Do you have statistics to back this or is this merely opinion. I'm finding everyone has and OPINION. This doesn't mean they're correct.

There are many who claim that the reason Republicans lost is because they had abandoned conservative principles.

Frankly, I'm tired of hearing people's opinions. I want answers and hopefully, a strategy to take back control.

I consider myself a very conservative evangelical but I will not for one minute ever consider not voting Republican, or in any way allow RATS to gain control.

I will fight like heck in primaries to see to it that the most conservative person is elected but if my person loses the primary, after that, it's a unified fight to keep any RAT from gaining any power. We can never advance by losing.

27 posted on 11/13/2006 4:36:49 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: grannylinedancer

Hillary, Rudy...run to tyranny or walk to it.


28 posted on 11/13/2006 4:37:48 AM PST by Ajnin (I)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

I am going to register as a Democrat -just so I can vote "anyone but Hillary" in the primaries.


29 posted on 11/13/2006 4:41:18 AM PST by MrRights
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

IMO it's not so much "centrist" as "big tent", with tolerance to the many, and the cons should quit trying to chase out all who disagree with them.


30 posted on 11/13/2006 4:47:02 AM PST by tkathy (The choice is clear: White hat people or white flag people.)
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To: des

Rudy and Arnold are the anti-Reagan. They in no way reflect Reagan's core values.


31 posted on 11/13/2006 4:48:30 AM PST by Blogger
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To: des
A Rudy nomination = a Hillary victory.

35% Rudy (R)45% Hillary (D) 20% Tancredo (I)

32 posted on 11/13/2006 5:11:27 AM PST by nitzy (It is never right to do the wrong thing for political expedience.)
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To: hnj_00
I lived in NY just before he took the mayoral position and left just before 9/11.

The transformation the guy brought to the city was nothing less than superhuman....mind boggling really.

Rudy's greatest weakness is his tendency to over reach....it could get him in trouble in DC. However, he would be a blast to watch operate; his iron fisted ways against the DC establishment. He'll get my vote.

If he runs as a Scalia Republican, his the social issues that militant Freepers would commit Harry Caray over should be of little concern.

33 posted on 11/13/2006 5:12:16 AM PST by zarf
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To: hnj_00
I lived in NY just before he took the mayoral position and left just before 9/11.

The transformation the guy brought to the city was nothing less than superhuman....mind boggling really.

Rudy's greatest weakness is his tendency to over reach....it WILL get him in trouble in DC. However, he would be a blast to watch operate; his iron fisted ways against the DC establishment. He'll get my vote.

If he runs as a Scalia Republican, his positions on the social issues that militant Freepers would commit Harry Caray over should be of little concern.

34 posted on 11/13/2006 5:13:11 AM PST by zarf
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To: Cincinna

Didn't watch it (watching the Bears beat the Giants instead) but I agree with your message: we need Rudy. In large measure, we need him because he can stand up to the media on a daily basis and take his message right to the people, explain his decisions, defend his administration. He did it for 2 terms as Mayor of NYC and helped that city and this country get through the most traumatic day in our lifetime. He'd be the LEADER we've been missing since Reagan's time.


35 posted on 11/13/2006 5:16:16 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds
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To: Blogger
Rudy also went to bat against anti-Christian art in the museums in NYC and was blasted in the press for it. He made New York the safest big city in America. He also made it safe for Republicans, at least New York-style Republicans, as the Democrats were not able to put up anyone after him that could get elected Mayor. Meanwhile Mitt Romney left Massachusetts without a dsingle Republican in any major office.

Rudy is very popular in Pennsylvania and Ohio and would help the GOP carry those states in 2008. That will make it almost impossible for the Democrats to win, regardless of who they nominate. And although his personal life is nothing to brag about, professionally there have never been any charges of corruption around him, and believe me there would have been if the New York media could have found them. In 2008 voters are going to be looking for someone who is moderate, scandal-free, and has a record of management competence. Rudy's experience as a prosecutor would also stand him in good stead as a terrorist-fighter and crime-fighter. I think he is the front-runner after this election.

But go right ahead, conservatives, keep pushing for your ideological purity and make the GOP a 25% party in 2008.

36 posted on 11/13/2006 5:16:37 AM PST by Dems_R_Losers (The people have spoken.......the housecleaning starts NOW!!)
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To: Dems_R_Losers

I'd support Rudy in a NY minute!


37 posted on 11/13/2006 5:19:08 AM PST by zook (America going insane - "Do you read Sutter Caine?)
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To: Nextrush
He's stood up to Al Sharpton and Al Quaida, but I will admit his "liberal views" (Abortion, Gay Rights, Guns) will have to "evolve" for me to feel totally comfortable with him.

All he has to say to make me comfortable is: "abortion and gay rights should be decided by the states and not by the courts... I don't believe there are specified rights for those things in the constitution but it's up to the Supreme Court to rule and relegate those issues to the States. And I believe in promoting strict constructionists to the Judiciary, like Roberts, Allito, Scalia and Thomas."

If we allowed our Federal system to work, these issues wouldn't have become the contentious problems they have. Let the States decide -- you and I may not be happy with the outcome (like South Dakota's voters rejecting their abortion ban) but that's the way the system is supposed to work.

38 posted on 11/13/2006 5:20:55 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds
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To: des

Rudy rescued NYC from the dead and made it back into the greatest city in the world. Plus, we already know how he'll act when the SHTF. I think he's our best shot in '08.


39 posted on 11/13/2006 5:23:18 AM PST by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: zarf
The transformation the guy brought to the city was nothing less than superhuman....mind boggling really.

His "zero tolerance" approach to crime transformed the city. Before Rudy, small episodes of vandalism, etc. were tolerated with a shrug of the shoulders. With Rudy, nobody got away with anything, even the most petty of crimes.

40 posted on 11/13/2006 5:25:04 AM PST by randita
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To: des

I don't know about Arnold delivering CA to a Republican candidate, but the line about Rudy delivering NY is perfectly accurate. If the party nominates Rudy, the electoral "game" is over - a Republican who takes NY state would really have to eff things up elsewhere to lose the election. This makes him an exceedingly dangerous candidate for the Dems, because not only will they likely lose NY state, they'll have to spend money there too.


41 posted on 11/13/2006 5:28:47 AM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: proud_yank

Guns. Abortion. Gay Rights and promotion. Gay marriage. Big government projects. But he is pretty good on crime amelioration.


42 posted on 11/13/2006 5:30:19 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: grannylinedancer
Rudy might be those things, but so is HILLARY! I think Rudy is the only person who can beat her.

Well, whoop de do! So what?

Pick a Liebral.

Gimme a break. The pubbies got decimated in the last election for their leftward shift.

The liberals would go nuts trying to figure out which liberal to vote for, but they base would be completely disenfranchised.

To give Rudy credit, what he did in New York worked for New York. Not many mountain lions wandering around New York City. More people live in one building there than in my whole county. This isn't New York, folks. There is an awful lot of flyover country between the East Coast and the Left coast, and we are not buying in on New York solutions to problems we don't even have.

So, ENOUGH! I am not going to contribute one dime to a liberal Republican candidate for president. Not a red cent. As for voting, I am not voting to support stripping me of my firearms. (That would be pretty dumb, ya think?)

I am not voting to murder babies in the womb, partially or otherwise.

As an American and as a Christian, I cannot give tacit approval to either.

I voted the party ticket last time, but if the Republican party insists on being stuck on stupid, I, and a lot more like me won't be voting Republican.

43 posted on 11/13/2006 5:32:03 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: July 4th
If the party nominates Rudy, the electoral "game" is over - a Republican who takes NY state would really have to eff things up elsewhere to lose the election.

Rudy's very popular in NJ as well and could put that state back into play as well. Everyone from the tri-state area who saw the transformation of NYC knows what kind of guy he is.

44 posted on 11/13/2006 5:36:06 AM PST by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: hnj_00
the party that is more centrist will win . . . .

A Republican candidate who moves to the left (or who, like Giuliani, is already to the left of center) undoubtedly picks up votes from so-called moderates and "centrists."

But that doesn't fully solve the problem. Such a candidate also loses support on the right. Conservatives simply stay home on election day.

The only way "moderation" works as a strategy for a Republican candidate is if he picks up more actual election day support from the left-of-center and so-called moderate voters than he loses on the right. I believe the most recent election shows that such candidates lose more votes than they gain.

Pit a "moderate" Democrat against a "moderate" Republican for president and who are the "moderates" and the left going to pick? They'll pick the Democrat, the real deal, every time.

Now, someone please list for me all of Giuliani's supposed conservative virtues. Can ANYONE come up with more than two and back them up with evidence that he really believes them? Second Amendment? Taxes? Spending? Affirmative action? Culture of death (abortion, euthanasia etc)? SCOTUS Justices? Hate crimes?

45 posted on 11/13/2006 5:36:57 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: hnj_00

Giuliani is NOT centrist unless you are putting the centr somewhere near Mrs. Pelosi. His ability to handle crime and to make a good presence at WTC does not put him in the center. And his scandal-ridden life will be the primary focus of MSM news once he is a contender. I can't see Mr. Gingrich make it through the MSM either due to his demonstrated social/moral dysfunctionality and I pretty much like Newt.


46 posted on 11/13/2006 5:42:45 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: grannylinedancer
Americans tend to elect the presidential candidate who is more optimistic and likable. Let's make that distinction as sharp as possible by choosing very carefully our candidate for the election of 2008.

The best Republican candidate is the one who best fits the model of Ronald Reagan not merely in substance but in temperament. Hillary wouldn't have a prayer against such a candidate. Her personality is drab, dry, hectoring, preachy, humorless, and abrasive.

Put someone up against her who is sunny, cheerful, optimistic, articulate, and engaging and she will come off like the wicked witch of east by comparison. She will lose.

47 posted on 11/13/2006 5:47:21 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: hnj_00

Rudy is the only currently visible Republican candidate that I think would guarantee a win for Mrs. Clinton. However much some people like him for his strength and determination and however much some people think that people with reservations against Rudy are just wrongheaded, the high probability is that Conservative Christians will not vote for him in sufficient numbers to make his total even respectably close. Rudy will be an occasion for voter lethargy.


48 posted on 11/13/2006 5:48:11 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: grannylinedancer
Americans tend to elect the presidential candidate who is more optimistic and likable. Let's make that distinction as sharp as possible by choosing very carefully our candidate for the election of 2008.

The best Republican candidate is the one who best fits the model of Ronald Reagan not merely in substance but in temperament. Hillary wouldn't have a prayer against such a candidate. Her personality is drab, dry, hectoring, preachy, humorless, and abrasive.

Put someone up against her who is sunny, cheerful, optimistic, articulate, and engaging and she will come off like the wicked witch of the east by comparison. She will lose.

49 posted on 11/13/2006 5:49:09 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: Ajnin
Isn't Rudy pro choice, pro-gay marriage and pro gun control? I've seen a number of liberal blogs rave about Rudy's liberal tendencies.

True, but unlike many politicos he seems to be the sort who will put the good of the country and the will of the people (in that order) ahead of his personal feelings.

50 posted on 11/13/2006 5:50:27 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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