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What Killed the GOP?
Human Events ^ | November 14 2006 | David Freddoso

Posted on 11/14/2006 5:42:25 PM PST by Reagan Man

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To: claptrap
>"Please read the Koran and then tell me about how wonderful Mohammed and his 10th century followers all are."

OH, they're just wonderful, if your name happens to be
.........SATAN


61 posted on 11/14/2006 8:05:25 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (When true genius appears, know him by this sign: all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall
Well, he got his smackdown, and I am very happy about it. The people finally got heard when they spoke. That was the conservative message of '06: hear us or we'll smack you down.

Yeah well Iran Syria N Korea and our troops got the message also
62 posted on 11/14/2006 8:06:09 PM PST by uncbob
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To: rawcatslyentist
Oh, I'd say about 60+ years of the nonstop communist propoganda networks, had a good bit to do with it.

And they all come from our Marxist colleges
63 posted on 11/14/2006 8:07:25 PM PST by uncbob
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To: Reagan Man
There is one central reason that the GOP lost the Congress...

The activist media.

Broadcast, print, news, entertainment.

Other reasons are at most, subordinate to the effect of the activist media.

I do not say "biased" media, everyone has biases.

I mean premeditated, perpetual, and perennial America-hating, left wing, Democratic Party activist social instruction.

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64 posted on 11/14/2006 8:15:33 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: uncbob

The Republicans left in Congress better grow a spine fast.


65 posted on 11/14/2006 8:47:14 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (The GOP got killed by the RINOvirus.)
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To: Reagan Man
Steer it this way or that way, articles like this attempt to use a defeat to attack one's enemies, even when it is you who have lost: Moderates against Conservatives, Secular Blue-Bloods against Evangelicals, Inside-the-Beltway party goers against everyone else in the country.

This is to miss the point. Conservatives are both vindicated by the results of this election, as the article rightly points out, and sobered by the reality of the size of the loss, and why. Blaming non-conservatives for not being conservative sounds more like a lack of leadership talent amongst Conservatives, than a castigation of Moderates. Yet Moderates must accept that acting like Democrats, Like Chafee, will never make you a Republican, or keep you in office.

A stronger conservative-Republican party can come out of this defeat with better leadership, or we can misread the election, and watch the Democrats as they destroy what is left of our country with their idiocy and incompetence.

The author of this article needs to do his homework, as he has fallen for the MSM fraud that "there were no WMD's in Iraq." Not only were there until they were quickly shipped to Syria, as shown by the translations of captured pre-2003 Iraqi documents, but that entire issue is beside the point. The regime of Saddam Hussein was the threat, not the weapons. There are thousands of tons of weapons still buried in Iraq, yet they threaten almost no one, because there is no longer an aggressive totalitarian regime to use them for destruction.

But clearly this too is no longer relevant, as under the blind stupidity of our new rulers, Nancy Pelosi and Jack Murtha, we are headed right off the cliff in regards to Middle Eastern Foreign Policy, right towards a world war. Either a resurgent Republican Party gets its self together and starts fighting to regain control of the situation, or we all go down forever... and soon.

66 posted on 11/14/2006 8:59:00 PM PST by Richard Axtell
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67 posted on 11/14/2006 9:01:12 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says ? lex injusta non obligat.)
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To: Reagan Man

I think all of these elections start at the top of the ticket. President Bush didn't bring home the "why of it" to the American public, as to the Iraq war. Maybe he should have had a fireside chats every couple of months or something. The administration allowed the media to define Republicans, instead of being on the offensive.

The base was ticked off at the amnesty plan passed by a Republican controlled Senate, and the Presidents unwillingness to react to the constituents concerns over illegal immigration.

We lost the swing voters and the Independents, who had no good reason to vote Republican. Many Republicans, simply stayed home.

As Rush said, "Republicans did not distinguish themselves from Democrats".

I think this was one election where the public, really saw no difference.

As I said a long time ago around here, Republicans missed an opportunity on the immigration issue by being wishy- washy. They even let the Democrats steal the issue in a few elections.


68 posted on 11/14/2006 9:01:31 PM PST by TheLion
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To: TheLion
"I think all of these elections start at the top of the ticket.

That's right and the magnitude of the effect is proportional to the magnitude of what he's involved in and what the people can go along with.

" President Bush didn't bring home the "why of it" to the American public, as to the Iraq war. Maybe he should have had a fireside chats every couple of months or something. The administration allowed the media to define Republicans, instead of being on the offensive."

He allowed the media and the opposing party to paint the picture of what the war was about. His speeches were appropriate for those already comfortable with the war and that it was the right thing to do, but not to those who didn't understand what it was about.

"We lost the swing voters and the Independents, who had no good reason to vote Republican."

They were motivated to show up in the first place by anti-war agit prop and the Administration's failure to address it.

69 posted on 11/14/2006 9:15:39 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Reagan Man
I believe that it was a number of things.
The hatred smearing leftists that never let up from 2000 to 2006.
The highlighting of Republican corruption while the MSM went very quiet on Democrat corruption.

The negative view of the Iraqi war by the bar crowd MSM that never left the Green-zone.
And all the propaganda that was the Dem's Pscyh-Ops on the general Public.
70 posted on 11/14/2006 9:27:20 PM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: mylife

"But it is possible. Turkey has proven that."

Turks are not arabs. I said arab muslims. Granted there are examples of arabs that can live in civility--Christians, etc. And there are muslims that may be capability of civility.

But combine the two, and I am unaware of an example where they live in civil, peaceful, democratic self-government.

I will readily admit I am wrong, when an example is cited.


71 posted on 11/14/2006 10:57:53 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Doc91678

Its not that complicated. There are two main basic reasons the GOP lost last Tuesday.

First. The American people said they want a change of direction in Iraq. In the process of waiting patiently for the Iraqi`s to get up to speed, American troops keep dying. We can't have our military personnel being unknowingly killed by IED`s and RPG`s forever. The Baker-Hamilton commission will now advise the Prez that set of serious tactical adjustments are required in Iraq.

Second. Last Tuesday conservatives rejected Bush`s liberal domestic policy agenda. Conservatives said they want less federal spending, a halt to government expansion, limits on welfare state bureaucracy and passage of enforcement only immigration reform. If Bush had responded to the desire of his voting base, the GOP could have weathered the gathering storm of discontent with Iraq.


72 posted on 11/14/2006 11:09:50 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't support amnesty and conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: mo
that in the end he really just did'nt "get it" about conservatism.

You put your finger on the crux of the problem. Like Bush I, he's not a conservative. He just used conservatives to get elected twice and govern from the left.

73 posted on 11/15/2006 3:25:27 AM PST by jammer
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To: Reagan Man
The Bush Administration’s Iraq occupation was like a huge soot-spewing smokestack, polluting this year’s campaign environment. Iraq made a difference in every single race.

Bingo!

Correctomundo!

Spot On!

As a campaign volunteer for my local Republican Congresscritter, I can attest to the complete demoralization of our base due to Iraq.

It is extremely hard to explain away the deaths of these wonderful young American soldiers over what has esentially morphed into a Shite vs Sunni religious conflict.

Add in the demoralization over Foley the Perv, and Cunningham and Dey the corruption crooks, and Abrahamoff the payola king, and the GOP base was more likely to hide in their homes than to go out and proudly vote.

As election day wore on, volunteers at my local GOP campaign headquarters were frantically calling homes of Republicans to come out and vote.

They would not respond.

The only saving grace is that this Iraq war will (hopefully) come to and end, and the GOP will clean house of its corrupt members.

74 posted on 11/15/2006 3:37:51 AM PST by Edit35
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To: truth_seeker
...start asking, humbly and honestly, whether President Bush’s nation-building experiment in Iraq is worthwhile ..

As much as I admire Hannity and the other talk show hosts, it wasn't good enough to say over and over, "we must win"

Or to accuse the Dems of wanting to "cut and run."

After all, what does it mean to "win."

If one roadside bomb is set off, does that mean we cant leave?

If one suicide bomber kills 10 people in Baghdad once a week, does that mean we must stay.

If that's the case, we will NEVER be able to leave, and I'm afraid the American public knew that, and was thus demoralized.

And I've been one of the biggest Iraq War supporters going.

But I've come to realize that the lunatic Sunni's or the crazy Shite's can AND WILL keep us there indefinitely just by lobbing a few mortar shells into the Green Zone now and then.

I hate to admit it, but we are gonna have to push the Iraqi's to take over security faster than we would have liked.

We should keep our military infrastructure in defensive positions as far as reasonable from urban populations.

And then we must demand the Iraqi's crack down on their own crazies, with whatever means works.

No, we don't let the insurgents take over the newly elected Iraq government, but we also dont go rushing in their to hold their hand each time a roadside bomb goes off.

Warn the Syrians and Iran to keep their butts out of Iraq, and bomb their convoys if necessary.

But the bottom line is we gotta stop this awful loss of our young Marines and soldiers, who after all are among the best America has.

We should treat every American soldier like the solid gold people that they are.

75 posted on 11/15/2006 3:57:21 AM PST by Edit35
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To: Reagan Man
What killed the GOP?

Self inflicted wounds.

76 posted on 11/15/2006 3:59:47 AM PST by Wormwood (Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter because nobody listens.)
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To: truth_seeker
Many American voters have decided arab muslims are not constitutionally capable of civil, peaceful, democratic self-rule.

THAT is the reality behind last Tuesday's "thumpin'" of the GOP.

It had nothing to do with 'too conservative' or 'too RHINO' (maybe a few isolated cases)

It wasn't convincing enough for Pres. Bush to simply say, "we have to win."

After all, what does it mean to "win."

If one roadside bomb goes off, does that mean we are losing and cant leave?

If one suicide bomber kills 10 people in Baghdad once a week, does that mean we must stay.

If THAT'S the case, we will NEVER be able to leave, and I'm afraid the American public and ESPECIALLY THE more moderate Republicans knew that, and thus were demoralized.

It only took 5 percent of Republicans to be demoralized for those in evenly split districts to lose.

77 posted on 11/15/2006 4:06:47 AM PST by Edit35
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To: Reagan Man
I agree about the RINOs. As for the Iraq War, Americans are fed up because our troops are NOT allowed to win. If they're not allowed to win, then I DO agree with the Democrats that its time to bring them home.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

78 posted on 11/15/2006 4:12:04 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Reagan Man
We should especially ask whether this (Iraq war) is ever worth repeating again.

This article is spot-on, except this one sentence.

If this '06 election thumpin' scares Bush or a future president from taking a future military action which might REALLY be necessary, then the 06' Democrats will have done America more harm than anyone can imagine.

Certainly a good percentage of Americans, Republicans like me included, are rightfully despondent over Bush's "Stay the Course" mantra, but we cannot let that stop us in doing what's necessary to stop IRAN from arming itself and its radical Muslim terrorist buds with nuclear weapons.

Unfortunately, I fear that GWB will be reluctant to stand up to Iran for fear that the wackadoodle Democrats will again demonize him and the US military.

79 posted on 11/15/2006 4:16:36 AM PST by Edit35
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To: TADSLOS
If anyone is on the way out it's the dems, if for no other reason than they are aborting their young.

Yeah, that's why they are pushing all this 'third world' immigration, legal AND illegal, to replenish the Democratic voter registration rolls.

And it's why they are brainwashing our kids in public schools and mainstream universities with anti-traditional messages.

80 posted on 11/15/2006 4:20:29 AM PST by Edit35
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