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Forget It, Rudy
Human Events ^ | 11-15-06 | Terence P. Jeffrey

Posted on 11/15/2006 2:20:23 AM PST by xtinct

One of Rudy Giuliani’s early achievements as mayor of New York City was to make people think twice about urinating on the streets.

“If somebody was urinating on the street,” he once told the New York Times, “the reaction would be, oh, we can’t do anything about that. And then the idea would start to develop that there must be some inherent human right to urinate on the street. So the police started ignoring all kinds of offenses. They’d even stand by when drug deals were going on. The police became highly skilled observers of crime.”

Something had to be done, and Rudy was the man to do it.

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 11/15/2006 2:20:24 AM PST by xtinct
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To: xtinct

Wow, I didn't know Rudy was this extreme...

I had the idea he was teachable on these things...but apparently, he's left of even extremists in the other party on social issues....

I'll let him be Attorney General, that's all


2 posted on 11/15/2006 2:25:01 AM PST by Tribemike (Here is the text of the article....)
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To: Tribemike
Not even AG. He is not pro-life, or pro 2nd amendment
3 posted on 11/15/2006 2:33:53 AM PST by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: xtinct
Rudy has a good future in the party as a New York Senator.

Not as President.

4 posted on 11/15/2006 2:46:54 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: xtinct
The next President will be Rudy, or it will be Hillary.

The sooner you choose, the easier the next two years will be on you.

5 posted on 11/15/2006 2:50:24 AM PST by Jim Noble (To preserve the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity)
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To: xtinct
I love Rudy. I wish he had run for governor here instead of holding out for President. He'd be a great governor. (I think Faso would be good, too, but in the People's Republic of New York, only the easily recognizable seem to get elected.)

The last thing we need is more social liberalism in the Republican Party, and Rudy is very much a social liberal. With the administration careening toward making the next two years be the fifth and sixth years of Bush the Elder's administration, the last thing we need is for the party to follow them over the cliff.

6 posted on 11/15/2006 2:54:03 AM PST by Dahoser (It's going to be a long and miserable two years.)
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To: xtinct

Go Rudy Go!!!!


7 posted on 11/15/2006 2:55:54 AM PST by BunnySlippers (Never Forget)
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To: Jim Noble

Rudy or a dim. The choice is clear. IMO McCain would fade at the end due to his age. Noone else stands a chance in hell.


8 posted on 11/15/2006 3:05:10 AM PST by tkathy (The choice is clear: White hat people or white flag people.)
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To: xtinct

all of the sanctimonious republicans standing on principals will watch as hillary goes back to the white house....

Rudy will be a very effective executive...a decision maker that will be very good on foreign policy and tough on domestic crime...he will nominate good judges for Scotus not a meirs and therefore abortion will not be altered by Scotus regardless of his views.... get over it...it will be Rudy or the paips....

run Rudy run!!!!...kick the piaps ass!!!!!!


9 posted on 11/15/2006 3:08:02 AM PST by hnj_00
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To: xtinct
I've always admired the writing and information-gathering gifts of Terence P. Jeffrey (Human Events is my all-time favorite newspaper, though out of my price range currently). I could just kiss him for this article and this headline! (: Thank you for posting it here.
10 posted on 11/15/2006 3:08:52 AM PST by .30Carbine (See God in every detail)
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To: tkathy
Rudy is the man....these smear campaigns by democrats and others inherint on helping the witch will start to appear everywhere, don't be fooled....

I lived under Koch and Rudy, and there is NO, NONE comparison between Rudy and any other GOP'er ready to run....

It's Rudy, he has my vote and both of the girls, too...

11 posted on 11/15/2006 3:09:28 AM PST by The Wizard (DemonRATS: enemies of America)
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To: The Wizard

An anti-Second Amendment pro-abortionist pro-gay marriage candidate will not make it out of the Republican primaries. So if the choice is only Rudy or Hillery, she will be #44.


12 posted on 11/15/2006 3:15:40 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: xtinct

Snip:

But here it is easy to disagree with Rudy and his admirers. He has no chance of winning the Republican nomination, and, even if he did, he would not make a good president. His views on core cultural issues are too radical.

Giuliani is not just pro-abortion, he is pro-partial-birth abortion. He has not flinched from defending the legality of the gruesome practice that the late Democratic Sen. Patrick Moynihan of New York described “as close to infanticide.”

“I am pro-choice. I’m pro-gay rights,” Giuliani said in 1999, when he was contemplating a Senate campaign. When a reporter asked if he at least favored a ban on partial-birth abortion, Giuliani said, “No, I have not supported that, and I don’t see my position on that changing.”

Giuliani’s pro-gay rights position is so extreme, he advocated stripping away the special legal status of traditional marriage. In 1998, he pushed a municipal ordinance that wiped out all distinctions between married and unmarried couples in New York City law, regardless of their gender.

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13 posted on 11/15/2006 3:17:05 AM PST by JockoManning (Listen Online http://www.klove.com)
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To: xtinct

Rudy sure is taking the heat these days...


14 posted on 11/15/2006 3:21:33 AM PST by TankerKC (I'm already visualizing the duct tape over your mouth!)
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To: Quix

Ping.

See post # 13.

jm


15 posted on 11/15/2006 3:25:37 AM PST by JockoManning (FORGET IT RUDY)
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To: kittymyrib

I would not vote for Hillary, nor would I vote for Rudy. His opposition to the 2nd amendment is enough to stop me from voting. His pro homosexual stance and pro baby killing are just the icing on the cake.


16 posted on 11/15/2006 3:34:05 AM PST by 2ndClassCitizen
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To: xtinct

What happened with the cancer or whatever it was that caused him to drop out of the Senate race a few years ago?


17 posted on 11/15/2006 3:34:20 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: savedbygrace

I think we need to decide what the big issues should be and then find the best candidate to address them. Dems seek to moderate on both abortion and gun rights, so they will not be the big issues in 08.


18 posted on 11/15/2006 3:42:44 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: savedbygrace
What happened with the cancer or whatever it was that caused him to drop out of the Senate race a few years ago?

Prostate cancer--highly treatable.

19 posted on 11/15/2006 3:44:47 AM PST by elli1
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To: Jim Noble
.The next President will be Rudy, or it will be Hillary. The sooner you choose, the easier the next two years will be on you.

Wow, your powers are incredible. How about you give me the winning numbers for the Mega Million Lottery?

The possibility of Rudy or McCain winning in the South are between slim and none and slim has left the building.

20 posted on 11/15/2006 3:51:11 AM PST by johncatl (...governs least, governs best.)
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To: johncatl
The possibility of Rudy or McCain winning in the South are between slim and none and slim has left the building.

So it's Hillary, then.

21 posted on 11/15/2006 3:52:22 AM PST by Jim Noble (To preserve the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity)
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To: The Wizard
Rudy is the man....these smear campaigns by democrats and others inherint on helping the witch will start to appear everywhere, don't be fooled....

Dems smear Rudy? LOL Oh that's a good one just like they smeared W in the election. {NOT} The media is gonna push the most Liberal one in the GOP as the most so called electable just like they did with Bob Dole and GW Bush.

No indeed if the Dems can't have Hillary their second obvious choice is Rudy or maybe McCain who just happened to be available to push every bad Liberal idea GW Bush ever dreamed up. The DEMs would be as pleased with Rudy as they have been with W doing their work for them maybe more so as he will take the GOP even further left which then the DEMs will run to the right especially with Hillary vs Rudy. Either way the Liberal Dems win.

22 posted on 11/15/2006 3:52:32 AM PST by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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To: hnj_00

I wasn't able to make much sense out of your post. What's a paip? What's a piap?

You call a judge "good" who favors tearing babies limb from limb?

What are you trying to say, exactly?


23 posted on 11/15/2006 3:52:44 AM PST by RoadTest ( He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. -Rev. 3:6)
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To: 2ndClassCitizen
His opposition to the 2nd amendment.....

Where do you guys get this crap from?

24 posted on 11/15/2006 4:07:46 AM PST by zarf
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To: tkathy

I think it's much too early to assume a "best of all worlds" candidate can emerge. I think several are holding back, waiting to develop their strategies in accordance with those who have already cast their hat into the ring.


25 posted on 11/15/2006 4:10:55 AM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Jezebelle

The abose should be "....can't emerge....."


26 posted on 11/15/2006 4:11:46 AM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: RoadTest

"PIAPS" is Pig In A Pants Suit...common reference to Hillary Rotten Klintoon.


27 posted on 11/15/2006 4:12:52 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: ClaireSolt

They are always big issues, even if the politicians sweep them under the rug.

A number of posters on FR have begun a Rudy campaign and are saying he no longer holds those beliefs, that he's switched and is now pro-life and pro-gun rights. Ha! With no evidence of an epiphany, it is reasonable to conclude that any change of opinion is expedient rather than real and sustainable.


28 posted on 11/15/2006 4:19:17 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: The Wizard
I lived under Koch and Rudy, and there is NO, NONE comparison between Rudy and any other GOP'er ready to run....

Me, too.

How can we explain this?

If Rudy is a liberal, why were the liberals all up in arms, foaming at the mouth, every minute he was in office?

Do liberals support a lock 'em up and throw away the key crime policy?

Do liberals support repression of socially deviant behavior?

Do liberals drop murder rates by 75%+ when they are in charge?

I was in Manhattan for the first time in a while last year, carrying a 2-year old. When I got on the E train at 53rd and Fifth, five people got up to offer me a seat.

Get with the program y'all, It's Rudy, or it's Hillary.

Everything else is just talk.

29 posted on 11/15/2006 4:20:15 AM PST by Jim Noble (To preserve the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity)
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To: Jim Noble

I actually believe a lot could change in the next 2 years. But as of today, you are likely correct.


30 posted on 11/15/2006 4:21:34 AM PST by GnL
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To: Jim Noble
I don't like Rudy .... he's a RINO and he doesn't play well with others

I must give him credit where it is due

he turned NYC around after it hat hit new lows under David Dinkins ... a man who constantly made you question .... question whether he was more corrupt or inept

Rudy's intolerance for small petty crime (squeegee guys, open containers and PIP) was really quite effective.

The theory being that if you tolerated an atmosphere of nuisance crimes with impunity it fostered opportunity for more aggressive and violent serious crimes

I just can't vote for a prosecutor .... his civil RICO litigation makes the Homeland Security Act look like condo rules

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31 posted on 11/15/2006 4:29:17 AM PST by Elle Bee
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To: zarf

"Where do you guys get this crap from?"

Sorry, Zarf, but Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban. That's fact, not "crap."

On top of that, he's for gay marriage and has refused to support a ban on partial-birth abortion.

More worrisome, however, is Giuliani's position on the issue of immigration. As mayor of New York, Rudy provided illegal immigrants with full access to municipal services. Even worse, he actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS.

Read John Hawkins' "The Conservative Case Against Rudy Giuliani", http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16762


32 posted on 11/15/2006 4:29:31 AM PST by Josh Painter (If you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you donít, you become a liberal.)
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To: xtinct
Rudy might have been against urinating on the streets of New York, but he's the only Republican capable of convincing voters to urinate all over Hitlery's ambition to be President in 2008. The warm thought of that alone is enough to convince me to support his candidacy.
33 posted on 11/15/2006 4:37:21 AM PST by finnigan2
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To: Jim Noble

Rudy's not the only liberal who is strong on defense and tough on crime. So is Joe Lieberman, and like Rudy, Joe is a great guy. But just as I wouldn't want Joe to be President of the United States, neither do I want to see Giuliani in that job.


34 posted on 11/15/2006 4:41:57 AM PST by Josh Painter (If you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you donít, you become a liberal.)
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To: JockoManning

Yuck. Thanks.

Looks like God alone can prevent the puppet masters from putting up only horrid choices for 2008


35 posted on 11/15/2006 4:43:56 AM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Sturm Ruger
"Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban. That's fact, not "crap."
On top of that, he's for gay marriage and has refused to support a ban on partial-birth abortion.
More worrisome, however, is Giuliani's position on the issue of immigration. As mayor of New York, Rudy provided illegal immigrants with full access to municipal services."

- And Hitlery differs from the above how?
At least Rudy as President would be constrained by the views on these matters by a Republican caucus who would make sure that he would not attempt to legislate on these issues and I doubt he would even try.
Hitlery, on the other hand, would have no such constraints and the thought of her and Slick Willie crawling about the White House infested with Hollywood leftist "sleep overs" for another four years literally turns my stomach.
If that's the options we face in 2008, it's no contest as to who gets my support.
36 posted on 11/15/2006 4:48:40 AM PST by finnigan2
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To: Jim Noble; xtinct

<< The next President will be Rudy, or it will be Hillary. >>

Mr Giuliani's pretending to the presidency reminds me of the perennial pretending to power or even to significance in the bigger scheme of things of self-styled "founding father" and actual petty dictator of Singapore: Harry Lee.

Even these days, in his dotage, old Harry still struts the globe advising all comers on the way to more efficaciously run their countries.

Jiang Gang head and erstwhile "president" of the peoples' republic of China, Jiang Zemin reminded Harry of his place and put him properly in one day by publicly telling him that if he, Jiang, ever needed a spare mayor for Shanghai, he would have one of his PAs have one of his girls give ol' harry a call.

Unless he will run as a liberal "Democrat" and we run another RINO and as certain a loser, McCainiac, say, Mr Guiliani will be even a cabinet member the week after Hell freezes over.

The sooner you and Mr Guiliani get comfortable with that fact, the easier the rest of your life will be on you.


37 posted on 11/15/2006 4:50:28 AM PST by Brian Allen ("Moral issues are always terribly complex, for someone without principles." - G K Chesterton)
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To: xtinct

My fear is that as soon as Rudy Giuliani discovers that he'll be running against Hillary, he'll withdraw and make Rick Lazio rund for President.


38 posted on 11/15/2006 4:50:33 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Liberalism in a parasite that ALWAYS kills its host.)
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To: Jim Noble

I hope not...I like Rudy, but I don't see the point of electing a liberal President-dem or Repub.


39 posted on 11/15/2006 4:51:17 AM PST by nyconse
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To: xtinct
Didn't Rudy vote for and support the Clintons? What is the difference in them?

Hillry has the votes to demonstrate she is pro National Security and she even voted for that House Border Fence Bill. Even though when it was first passed she claimed the Republicans in the House would make Jesus illegal if they could.
40 posted on 11/15/2006 4:53:17 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Tribemike
Wow, I didn't know Rudy was this extreme...

By Northeast Republican standards, he is right of center. Also, Rudy G. is a politician first, and to get elected in a city that has something like ten registered Dems/Liberals for every one Republican/Conservative, he needed to take positions that would entice the left to vote right. If he hadn't, Mayor Dinkins would have served another term, and Idiot Mark Green would have been Mayor during 09.11.

Despite how Rudy G. is being portrayed by some of the more conservative pundits and publications, my personal recollection is that while he is pro-gay rights, he is not pro-gay marriage, and while he is pro-choice, he is not pro-abortion.

41 posted on 11/15/2006 5:00:19 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: xtinct
Rudy was a great Mayor for NYC and he'd be a good governor for the state, but there's no way I'd vote for him as president. He's a pro-abortion and anti-second amendment former democrat.

Nothing wrong with the "former democrat" part. One of the greatest statesmen of our times, Ronald Reagan, was a former democrat; but President Reagan loved life for all and believed in the individual citizen's right to defend themselves against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Sorry, Rudy. Thanks for being such a strong leader during 9/11 and for turning NYC around when you were mayor, but you don't pass the Presidential litmus test.

42 posted on 11/15/2006 5:06:23 AM PST by GBA (God Bless America!)
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To: Tribemike

Rudy has a decision to make. If he wants to be president he's gonna have to come out against partial birth abortion. He will have to revisit his views on the family and the 2nd amendment. The fact is aside from a few fringes on abortion, the matter has been settled, rightly or wrongly, by the Supreme Court and nothing any presidet says or does matters in the least. For gay rights, he simply has to adjust his position that marriage is for a man and a woman and adopt the civil union model that most Americans find acceptable. His original position gun control was that there should be mandatory training and a right to get a carry permit. In the People's Republic of NY, this position was unpopular and was therefore abandoned.

The writer of the article is underestimating Rudy's ambition to become president. He is also underestimating his intellectual ability, honed through many years as a top trial attorney, to reconcile the apparently irreconciable.

I have been an observer of Rudy's career since he was a crusading US Attorney, bringing down all manner of currupt politicians. I remember his defeat to clueless David Dinkins and my comment at the time was that, "Rudy will be back, he doesn't like unfinished business."

The same will apply here. He has the toughness that liberals and conservatives alike crave, like a junkie needs his fix. He now has the political acumen necessary to the job. During the campaign he went to every state and district campaigning for even the most hopeless candidate. He did this to help the party, but more importantly he did this to build his network and get ready for 2008. This effort will payoff. Rudy plays in Peoria as well as NYC.

No doubt the knives will be out for him, but he is no stranger to adversity. He fought off Hillary and he is a hard target since 9-11.


43 posted on 11/15/2006 5:09:35 AM PST by appeal2
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To: Labyrinthos

"while he is pro-choice, he is not pro-abortion."

Such hairsplitting won't play well in flyover country.


44 posted on 11/15/2006 5:11:43 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: tkathy
I will vote for the devil himself, before I vote for hillary for pres. so if the devil is named rudy and he is the republican nominee, he's got my vote. I won't vote for him in the primary however.
45 posted on 11/15/2006 5:21:31 AM PST by Ditter
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To: .30Carbine
sanctimonious republicans standing on principals

I resemble that comment.

If you're not standing on principLES, what are you standing on? Or standing in? I think if Hillary ran as a Republican you'd vote for her. That's called: cool-aid drinking.

46 posted on 11/15/2006 5:25:25 AM PST by PjhCPA (Who will be the next Ronald Reagan? We'd better find him. SOON!!!)
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To: Jim Noble

Of course I'll vote for Rudy, if he's the nominee. WOT trumps everything.


47 posted on 11/15/2006 5:28:01 AM PST by zook (America going insane - "Do you read Sutter Caine?)
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To: Sturm Ruger
Between Lieberman and Guiliani, at least Joe has said he is at least nominally pro-2A. Maybe not a gun nut, but he is on record as stating that he doesn't think we need another AWB.

If people want to vote for Rudy, they shouldn't be under ANY illusions that this guy is in any serious way a "conservative". That dog don't hunt...

48 posted on 11/15/2006 5:35:14 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: xtinct
“I am pro-choice. I’m pro-gay rights,” Giuliani said in 1999, when he was contemplating a Senate campaign. When a reporter asked if he at least favored a ban on partial-birth abortion, Giuliani said, “No, I have not supported that, and I don’t see my position on that changing.”

When people choose to openly sin (as Rudy was clearly doing with his "newest love" and "constant companion" they have no problem with accepting all kinds of sin. In fact, Rudy, though he stood "tough" after 9/11 had rarely lived the moral life that many Americans espouse.

49 posted on 11/15/2006 5:44:58 AM PST by zerosix
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To: xtinct
Giuliani understood the link between allowing people to urinate on the streets with impunity and New York City’s overall decline. Outside New York, on the Republican campaign trail, he is sure to meet many voters who understand that his positions on abortion and marriage do to our national culture exactly what the street people and pub crawlers did to New York.

Absolutely right on target. Bye-bye, Rudy.

50 posted on 11/15/2006 5:58:39 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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