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The tough anti-illegal immigration ad for J.D. Hayworth paid for by the NRCC, and Hayworth lost.
YouTube, NRCC ^ | November 15, 2006

Posted on 11/15/2006 1:13:04 PM PST by Dane

Tough anti-illegal immigration ad paid for by the NRCC, and Hayworth still lost


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; hayowrth; hayworth; immigrantlist; immigration; mitchell
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The above ad is as tough as can be and was not paid for by Hayworth's campaign but by the NRCC, which meant it had the approval of Ken Mehlman and Karl Rove.

Did it help, nope. Hayowrth conceded yesterday.

So the next time I see some "true conservative" saying that the GOP doesn't help it's candidates, I will refer back to this thread.

The only bad part is that the pet issue of foaming at the mouth over immigration of some on FR did not help a candidate(Hayworth) who in the previous three elections had won with at least 60% of the vote.

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1 posted on 11/15/2006 1:13:10 PM PST by Dane
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To: Dane

What percent is Hispanic in Hayworth's district?


2 posted on 11/15/2006 1:15:22 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Dane
But his associate Kyle WON. He was anti-illegal invader.

And DeWine and Chaffee lost - both libs.

So what's your point?

Most Hispanic Americans, in an article extracted on this site, voted Democrat - MORE than voted LAST time around, DESPITE Bush's knee padding to Vicente Fox.

FURTHER, the SAME article stated that immigration was not even an issue among Hispanic Americans - it was jobs and schools.

So, Dane, back to the drawing board for more research to justify illegal alien pardons.
3 posted on 11/15/2006 1:17:15 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU
And DeWine and Chaffee lost - both libs.

And they were replaced with even bigger libs you dunderhead.

4 posted on 11/15/2006 1:18:14 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
As I said on the other thread...
I do not believe it was because of his immigration stand. His opponent on this issue was also taking a realtively hard line. Why? Because in the state of Arizona they are passing popular ballot initiatives addressing the issue too...so I do not believe it was his stance on immigration that cost him the election.

But that's just my opinion from way up here in Idaho.

5 posted on 11/15/2006 1:19:14 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be)
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To: Dane

Open borders amnesty didn't help the GOP no matter how many Hayworth threads you start today.


6 posted on 11/15/2006 1:19:19 PM PST by mysterio
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To: Dane
The only bad part is that the pet issue of foaming at the mouth over immigration of some on FR did not help a candidate(Hayworth) who in the previous three elections had won with at least 60% of the vote.

One problem with your thesis, Harry Mitchell ran a campaign that made illegal immigration a center piece.

Also, Arizona passed English as Offical Language (Prop 103) by 74 to 26.

J.D. lost because he ran a crappy campaign and his district changed, becoming choked with liberal Californians who vote instinctivly D.

Owl_Eagle

If what I just wrote made you sad or angry,
it was probably just a joke.

7 posted on 11/15/2006 1:21:45 PM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Dane
Mitchell supports amnesty?

All of the seemingly Mitchell apologists around here have been saying Mitchell was strong on illegal immigration.

8 posted on 11/15/2006 1:22:35 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Dane
JD hasn't lost anything spunky.

Ballots are still being counted - Absentee and Early Voters.

9 posted on 11/15/2006 1:22:47 PM PST by Condor51 (Tagline Under Construction - Kindly Wear Your Hardhat)
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To: Dane
Hayworth was specifically targeted by the Democrats. There was a massive effort to re-register out-of-state ASU students to vote against him.

BTW, the reason the Mexicans vote for Democrats is because the Democrats promise to take money away from other citizens and give it to them. They also stand for special privileges for minorities.
10 posted on 11/15/2006 1:23:35 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (This tagline has been suspended or banned.)
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To: Brilliant

What percent is Hispanic in Hayworth's district?



that is a very good point. His dist. has AZ. ST. Univ.
with more and more liberals and more liberals from the east settling there.

These are people who who are illegal supporters, so JD didn't have a chance.


11 posted on 11/15/2006 1:23:53 PM PST by SoCalPol (We Need A Border Fence Now)
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To: Condor51

Dude, he lost. Get over it. He LOST ground in the last batch of ballots.


12 posted on 11/15/2006 1:24:04 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: Owl_Eagle
... Harry Mitchell ran a campaign that made illegal immigration a center piece.

The add says Mitchell was for amnesty.

13 posted on 11/15/2006 1:24:34 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Dane

Hey Dane, get lost.

The fact is they lost because Republicans didn't come out to vote for them because of their disgraceful behavior and I say good riddance.

You're the Dunderhead. Poll after poll after poll has indicated the American people don't want amnesty for illegal invaders, yet you do.

Do you run an orange orchard Dane? Perhaps some sweatshop somewhere?


14 posted on 11/15/2006 1:26:06 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: zbigreddogz
***Dude, he lost. Get over it. He LOST ground in the last batch of ballots.***

A thread yesterday (from JDs website) said there were IIRC 56,000 ballots to be counted. Most expected to go his way.

15 posted on 11/15/2006 1:28:09 PM PST by Condor51 (Tagline Under Construction - Kindly Wear Your Hardhat)
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To: Condor51
JD hasn't lost anything spunky

Hayworth Concedes Election Defeat

16 posted on 11/15/2006 1:29:45 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: ZULU

I suspect that many of the people who screamed loudest that everyone should vote RINO no matter what, probably voted democrat anyway.


17 posted on 11/15/2006 1:29:45 PM PST by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: Brilliant; Dane
Dane, sitting on the East Coast, is determined to make out the AZ election loss for JD related to immigration. It wasn't. It was his district being so heavily ASU and the students really went all out this election to defeat JD. One only need to a blog search to find some of the sites.

JD lost because of ASU being in his district, Abramhoff $$, lobby $$ for his wife and stemcells... those were the non-stop ads against him. No where did Mitchell run ads that JD was too tough on illegal immigration. Dane knows this, but, like I said, it doesn't fit with his mission -- if he'd ever really explain to us why he is so hot for this country to be over run with illegal immigration.

BTW we had four ammendments specifically against Illegal -- like English only -- and all four passed. That's how much Arizonan's are against Illegal immigration.

A side note: Today they want to dump Howard Dean, but Doctor Dean has upped the interest in voting at the University level and we need to figure out how to tap into that.

18 posted on 11/15/2006 1:31:58 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: SoCalPol
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19 posted on 11/15/2006 1:33:51 PM PST by Rakkasan1 ((Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!))
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To: Condor51; zbigreddogz

He didn't lose ground, he was gaining, but said not at a rate that made it probable he could win.


20 posted on 11/15/2006 1:34:32 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah, you're probably right.

I had a class A-1 Rino in my district. I WANTED to push the Republican button, but I said to myself "WHAT ARE YOU DOING??" The guy doesn't support Bush, doesn't support the war in Iraq, etc. So I voted third party for a conservative. The RINO lost.

I have no regrets.


21 posted on 11/15/2006 1:35:05 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Dane
And they were replaced with even bigger libs you dunderhead.

Better to face my enemy openly, than to have him inside my city gates.
22 posted on 11/15/2006 1:37:09 PM PST by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: ZULU

I proudly voted straight R... and I'm thrilled that Jon Kyl was re-elected.


23 posted on 11/15/2006 1:37:20 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

"A side note: Today they want to dump Howard Dean, but Doctor Dean has upped the interest in voting at the University level and we need to figure out how to tap into that."

YEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!

THAT'S good news - he and Pelosi are about as helpful to the Dems as John F. Kerry was a few weeks ago.


24 posted on 11/15/2006 1:37:34 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

Kyl was/is strong on enforcement. He also supports comprehensive reform. He co-authored an immigration reform bill with Cornyn of Texas.


25 posted on 11/15/2006 1:38:05 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Arizona Carolyn

If I was in John Kyle's district, I'd have voted for him too. I think he's Presdiental material.

Aside from the one RINO, I voted straight Republican myself.


26 posted on 11/15/2006 1:39:17 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

Unfortunately, Pelosi isn't going anywhere and Hillary wants Howie out of the way so she can install her own people in position to get her elected in '08. However, there is one thing the RNC could learn from Doctor Dean and that was how to use the Internet to tap into these college voters.


27 posted on 11/15/2006 1:39:17 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: ZULU

Kyl won't run for President. He's a wonderful Senator and the only Senator I've ever had that instructs his staff to contact people who contact him with issues, but his staff has told me he's not interested in the WH.


28 posted on 11/15/2006 1:41:36 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I have two college degrees and got them some time ago.

Its VERY hard to tap into the college voter. The average college kid is a naive jerk who follows what his professor dishes out and most of these professors are Bolsheviks.

Aside from one monarchist, the other students in my undergraduate class were all libs - so was the professor.

I had more in common with the Monarchist.


29 posted on 11/15/2006 1:41:53 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

That's unfortunate. I heard both Kyl and Haworth on TV with Sean Hannity visting the Minutemen and I liked them both.


30 posted on 11/15/2006 1:43:08 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Dane
I doubt Nancy Pelosi was as gleeful when she found out this Republican lost as you were. Troll.
31 posted on 11/15/2006 1:43:22 PM PST by mthom
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To: Dane

Trolling for ZOT, are we?


32 posted on 11/15/2006 1:44:21 PM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Dane

Immigration is NOT the ACE-IN-THE-HOLE that "most" people here believe it is. (It needs to get done, but politically its NOT the be all end all)


33 posted on 11/15/2006 1:45:24 PM PST by Echo Talon
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To: Dane

J. D. lost because of all of the baggage the incompetent Republican leadership hung around his neck. It had nothing to do with illegal immigration issue since the propositions dealing with those issues won handily. Hopefully, the new Republican leadership will show some real leadership that supports the values of the Republican party!


34 posted on 11/15/2006 1:47:11 PM PST by martinidon (Bush won sKerry lost and Soro's is out millions for nothing!)
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To: Dane

J. D. lost because of all of the baggage the incompetent Republican leadership hung around his neck. It had nothing to do with illegal immigration issue since the propositions dealing with those issues won handily. Hopefully, the new Republican leadership will show some real leadership that supports the values of the Republican party!


35 posted on 11/15/2006 1:47:27 PM PST by martinidon (Bush won sKerry lost and Soro's is out millions for nothing!)
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To: Dane
Dane, you have your moments, you really do, but then you return to form and post endlessly on this one topic and it doesn't matter one whit to you that you are wrong, or how many posters dissect your statements.

Like the Media, you are agenda driven, and the camouflage is as thin as a Baltimore pimp's patent leather shoes.

give it a break, girl.
36 posted on 11/15/2006 1:48:46 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: ZULU

Well, they voted in great numbers here this election and from everything I've seen were very active... at least in Tempe and Tucson. Flagstaff (NAU) is it's own world.


37 posted on 11/15/2006 1:48:54 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: ZULU

A lot of us would have liked to see JD run for Governor. IMO he could have beat Napolitano. Munsil was just too closely-linked to McCain for many people's taste and Napolitano is Right of McCain and Munsil on illegal immigration (on paper of course)...


38 posted on 11/15/2006 1:50:22 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn
Dane, sitting on the East Coast, is determined to make out the AZ election loss for JD related to immigration. It wasn't. It was his district being so heavily ASU and the students really went all out this election to defeat JD.<

Then answer me this Carolyn, why did Hayworth with 60% of the vote in the last midterm in 2002. He had the same district, and the vote totals are appx. the same.

Sorry Carolyn there was no "surge" by ASU students. The surge was against J.D. Hayworth by reliable tax paying voters.

39 posted on 11/15/2006 1:52:43 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Napo was a big supporter of McCain-Kennedy and now is a big supporter of Hagel-Martinez.


40 posted on 11/15/2006 1:52:59 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Dane

I already told you, Dane... the dems hung Jack Abramhoff and that scandal around his neck in a nice neat bowtie.. also that he arranged for his wife to get a $100,000 lobby bonus and then there was the constant I'm going to die because JD voted against stem cells ad that Mo. Udalls granddaughter ran against him... Two years ago there was nary an ad against JD, this time was different, very different because he had a very popular (in Tempe) candidate running against him and he had baggage he didn't have two years ago... also the State of Arizona is growing by leaps and bounds, libs moving here from California -- East Coast, MidWest all bringing their liberal voting patterns with them, and yes, ASU did figure into the equation this time.. and no, illegal immigration did not... as much as you wish to make it so, it did not.


41 posted on 11/15/2006 2:02:19 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Ben Ficklin

Yep!


42 posted on 11/15/2006 2:02:43 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Ahhh, but were they REPUBLICANS???


43 posted on 11/15/2006 2:03:06 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU
You're the Dunderhead. Poll after poll after poll has indicated the American people don't want amnesty for illegal invaders, yet you do.

OK genius, how do you square your above words with the fact that nancy pelosi is going to be the next Speaker.

44 posted on 11/15/2006 2:05:13 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Also, Arizona passed English as Offical Language (Prop 103) by 74 to 26.

So? I voted for that amendment. But I disagreed with the closed minded stance of enforcement only espoused by J.D. He was much more strident than Kyl on the subject. I held my nose and voted for him here in AZ 5.

Bush's comprehensive plan did not pass, but the "Enforcement Only" bill did: Result? Republicans lost. How can anyone not see the pattern here?

45 posted on 11/15/2006 2:07:13 PM PST by narby
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To: Dane
the pet issue of foaming at the mouth over immigration of some on FR did not help a candidate"

It's hard to overcome the illegal vote and the Atzlan vote in that area....therein is the issue of the invasion you are in denial of...

You favor amnesty for ALL criminals? (equal protection clause), whereby if you break selective laws, you can walk free and even have rights that U.S. citizens are denied?

46 posted on 11/15/2006 2:09:47 PM PST by traditional1
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To: ZULU
That's the problem... I don't think so. Typical college kids. Definitely not the kids at NAU and down in Tucson. Renzi wins, not because of Flagstaff, but because he still gets the vote on the Navajo Reservation despite Joe Shirley and Prescott is in the district and growing like crazy.

We've had some redistricting issues here in the last few years and they wanted to put us in with Flagstaff.. locals screamed bloody murder about that and it was resinded. Thank God we still have GOP in charge in Phoenix in State Senate and House... but that slipped some this year, too....I feel like putting up a sign at the borders, unless you vote conservative turn around.

47 posted on 11/15/2006 2:11:21 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Dane

You have a very unhealthy obsession about JD Hayworth.


48 posted on 11/15/2006 2:12:48 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: Dane

What was the position of Hayworth's opponent on immigration?


49 posted on 11/15/2006 2:13:03 PM PST by reelfoot
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To: traditional1


Can anyone seriously tell me that they trust the Federal Govt enough to round up and deport some 15+ million illegals that live inside the US today?


Not gonna happen, we need a serious realistic debate on this.

When the polling isn't clear, (I've read both sides polling data) then let's turn to principles.

Ronald Reagan gave a amnesty, he failed to secure the border, most people feel that was a ongoing mistake.


50 posted on 11/15/2006 2:13:37 PM PST by padre35 (We are surrounded, that simplifies our problem Chesty Puller)
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