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Dem Leadership Update: Ugly And Uglier
The Hotline ^ | 15 November 2006 | Staff

Posted on 11/15/2006 2:48:35 PM PST by shrinkermd

With 24 hours to go before House leadership elections, the race is boiling down to two main storylines.

The first involves a 26-year-old story that began to emerge once again yesterday: Rep. John Murtha's past. After being a little too involved in Abscam for his own good (some accounts have former Speaker Tip O'Neill personally bailing Murtha out of trouble) and what Washington Post's Marcus calls a "one-man earmarking factory," Murtha has a number of good gov't types on his case, including Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Gov't. The Hill even reports that, because of his penchant for doling out earmarks, some defense industry lobbyists hope he loses and retains his chairmanship, this time in the majority.

The second continues from 11/12, when Speaker-to-be Nancy Pelosi injected herself in the race. While her inital letter backing Murtha was initially seen as simple loyalty, but now, she's making phone calls and button-holing members for their support. Baltimore Sun's Hay Brown reports the speaker-in-waiting is playing hardball: She summoned Rep.-elect Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) to her office to ask why Gillibrand was supporting current Dem whip Steny Hoyer (D-MD), and, completely coincidentally, asked for Gillibrand's committee preferences.

Pelosi's efforts have gotten attention throughout the caucus as, according to Hay Brown, Hoyer "fought to hang on to his support" 11/14. Uncommitted Rep.-elect Tim Walz (D-MN): "To be honest, I was waiting for the Speaker. When the Speaker speaks, you listen. I take that into heavy consideration" (Hearn, The Hill, 11/15)...

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Looks like Walz from Minnesota will cave to Pelosi. So much for "conservative Democrat."

The article is long but it does list all those known pro and con Murtha votes.

1 posted on 11/15/2006 2:48:36 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

Judging by the thread title, pics are probably not necessary.


2 posted on 11/15/2006 2:50:54 PM PST by Disambiguator (;^))
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To: shrinkermd
I thought that this was going to be the most uncorrupted Congress ever!!!!
3 posted on 11/15/2006 2:51:09 PM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: shrinkermd

Pelosi's Culture of Corruption: The Republican COC, with lipstick!


4 posted on 11/15/2006 2:51:28 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (Republican, atheist, pro-lifer, stranded in Blue Boston)
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To: shrinkermd

Maybe Waltz is afraid of strong women.


5 posted on 11/15/2006 2:52:14 PM PST by DManA
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To: shrinkermd

A few days ago, Murtha was the hero of the Democrats and the liberal media. Now that the Dems are in control, though, we're finding out what they really think of him.


6 posted on 11/15/2006 2:54:04 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: shrinkermd

Duya mean we get to watch the DEMS act stupid for a while?!?


7 posted on 11/15/2006 2:54:44 PM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: shrinkermd

"Conservative Democrat"

8 posted on 11/15/2006 2:55:17 PM PST by Ben Mugged (Always cheat; always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.)
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To: shrinkermd

The washington Post knew all about Murtha being corrupt long before the election,but you dont really think they would have spoken up and helped Irey, Hell no.


9 posted on 11/15/2006 2:55:18 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Brilliant

But Diana Irey couldn't get any of the MSM to look at these questions during the campaign. Lawd knows, she tried..


10 posted on 11/15/2006 2:56:24 PM PST by ken5050
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To: shrinkermd

I saw John Kasich on with John Gibson earlier...and he said it is a slam dunk for Hoyer...

But, I can't stand Kasich...so I hope it is Murtha...LOL


11 posted on 11/15/2006 2:56:50 PM PST by Txsleuth
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To: mariabush

The Republicans have had six years of Liberal obstructionism to watch and learn from. Now, they know how to respond to the corrupt Liberals. Use their tactics back on them.


12 posted on 11/15/2006 2:56:51 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: shrinkermd
..., and, completely coincidentally, asked for Gillibrand's committee preferences.....

Riiiiight. Reported with a straight (stretched?) face no doubt...

13 posted on 11/15/2006 2:57:00 PM PST by GoldCountryRedneck ("Idiocy - Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large numbers" - despair.com)
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To: ken5050

Of course. It was another liberal conspiracy.


14 posted on 11/15/2006 2:57:42 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: shrinkermd

Looks like the dems. drained the swamp and found their own pods.


15 posted on 11/15/2006 2:59:21 PM PST by small voice in the wilderness (The worst case scenario is even worse than I imagined.)
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To: Brilliant

bttt


16 posted on 11/15/2006 2:59:49 PM PST by get'emall (We don't need no steenkeeng laws.)
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To: shrinkermd

Looks like Walz is gonna dance to the tune coming out of the Speaker!


17 posted on 11/15/2006 3:01:43 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Who invented rock and roll hiccups?)
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To: sgtbono2002

IMO, the American people aren't going to like the Liberals they've elected when the Liberals masks come off. Let's sit back and see if the voters like higher taxes, higher gasoline prices, unemployment, high interest rates, and an overall destruction of a booming economy. Next, we'll see if the American people feel sorry for terrorists especially those that try to attack us again. I doubt that Pelosi, Reid, Murtha, Kerry, or any of the terrorist sympathizers can calm the masses should we suffer another attack due to their inept cowardly policies. I bet not.


18 posted on 11/15/2006 3:02:02 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Disambiguator

Yes, I agree, please...no pics. They give me nightmares.


19 posted on 11/15/2006 3:02:09 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * Allen for U.S. Senate in '08)
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To: shrinkermd
Murtha is toast and Pelosi knew it from the get go, or so says the Prowler:

"Washington Prowler Leading Murtha On DEAR JOHN Potential incoming Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi has thus far declined to make phone calls on behalf of Rep. John Murtha's run for Democrat leader, a decision that has some Murtha supporters angry. "She's already publicly supported him, but when it comes to actually twisting some arms for some votes, she's sitting on her hands," says a House Ways and Means Committee staffer, whose boss is supporting Murtha for his anti-Iraqi war position. That position is the only reason Pelosi released the surprise letter on Sunday supporting Murtha, and it was after she has spoken with Democrat advisers who assured her that it appeared current whip Rep. Steny Hoyer had locked in a majority of the caucus for his own candidacy. Hoyer's people informed the advisers that Hoyer had commitments from 20 or 21 of the 41 incoming Democrat members, as well as the majority of the caucus, seemingly locking up the leader job. "They [Hoyer's people] seemed to think it was strong enough majority for it not to shift too much because of the letter either way," says a Democrat leadership aide. "Hoyer's people were taking this in stride, that this was something Pelosi had to do to help herself with the MoveOn and Cindy Sheehan types, not because she really wants Murtha in that chair."

20 posted on 11/15/2006 3:03:00 PM PST by eureka! (May the voters see the light next time.....)
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To: shrinkermd

Welcome to the majority Mr. Walz.

"Even though I think it's total crap, I'll vote for it and pass it because that's what Nancy wants,"

John Murtha


21 posted on 11/15/2006 3:03:40 PM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: Txsleuth

See No. 20 that I just posted. Looks like Murtha got gamed...


22 posted on 11/15/2006 3:04:30 PM PST by eureka! (May the voters see the light next time.....)
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To: eureka!

Thanks...

And if the House members are happy with a Speaker of the House that pulls those kind of games before she even takes office...then they are a more pitiful lot that I previously thought.


23 posted on 11/15/2006 3:08:17 PM PST by Txsleuth
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To: Txsleuth

Agreed. Power trumps all. Look what 12 years in the majority did to so many GOP members. *sigh*


24 posted on 11/15/2006 3:12:08 PM PST by eureka! (May the voters see the light next time.....)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

pubs do not have the guts for that or most anything else except stealing our money.

Where is Sen. Jefferson? I want my cut of the frozen clams


25 posted on 11/15/2006 3:13:43 PM PST by Tannerone (FEED ALL TERRORIST LIVE AND OTHERWISE TO STARVED HOGS)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

unfortunately.... the won't

Republican's are too ..... to play hardball


26 posted on 11/15/2006 3:14:46 PM PST by fhlh (My reply to Demonrats in Power : "you using the whole fist there, Doc?")
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To: Ben Mugged

That is Helen Thomas, circa 1918.


27 posted on 11/15/2006 3:19:41 PM PST by Disambiguator (;^))
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To: shrinkermd

Swiftees, sorry that Kerry self imploded, but the good news is that Murtha might be #2 in the House.

Time to crank up your troops for fun and enjoyment for the next two years!


28 posted on 11/15/2006 3:24:23 PM PST by aShepard
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To: ExTexasRedhead

***I doubt that Pelosi, Reid, Murtha, Kerry, or any of the terrorist sympathizers can calm the masses should we suffer another attack due to their inept cowardly policies. I bet not.***

Of course you are correct, but do you really expect the truth from the media? If another attack comes the spin doctors will be out in full force and trying to blame it on George Bush. They will probably get away with it.


29 posted on 11/15/2006 3:24:35 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: shrinkermd

Rush endorsed Abscam Murtha today.
That should push him over the top! LOL


30 posted on 11/15/2006 3:24:47 PM PST by ConservativeGreek
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To: Txsleuth

Update. Murtha on Hardball tonite has said he's "got the votes". See link at Drudge if you like. In any event, we'll find out tomorrow....


31 posted on 11/15/2006 3:37:03 PM PST by eureka! (May the voters see the light next time.....)
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To: shrinkermd
In related news, Hoyer was quoted today as saying everything EXCEPT investment accounts was on the table for fixing Social Security -- everything specifically including raising the age of retirement and higher taxes.

I am waiting for the thunderous headlines tomorrow from the MSM: "Top Dem Calls for SS Benefit Cuts, Tax Hikes."

32 posted on 11/15/2006 3:40:41 PM PST by sphinx
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To: mariabush

Maria, once they redefine the meaning of "corruption", it'll be jest fine.


33 posted on 11/15/2006 3:49:52 PM PST by Alia
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To: small voice in the wilderness

l-o-l!


34 posted on 11/15/2006 3:51:01 PM PST by Alia
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To: eureka!

I just watched the repeat of the Harball with Murtha.

He looks like he has had botox in his jowls....


I heard on Fox News that there was a type of "debate" that went on between he and Hoyer with the reps...and that Murtha was horrible...that is where he called Nancy Pelosi's ethics legislation 'A BUNCH OF CRAP"...LOL

Well, like you said, we will find out tomorrow.


35 posted on 11/15/2006 4:12:15 PM PST by Txsleuth
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To: sphinx

When they take the payroll taxes off everyone making less than $30,000 a yaer and hiking up to 70% of everyone else's, it will be a called a tax cut.


36 posted on 11/15/2006 4:19:19 PM PST by Safetgiver (Stinko De mayo, Stinko to the Commies.)
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To: Txsleuth

He has mannerisms and speech suggesting he is quite familiar with alcohol or has been familiar in the past.


37 posted on 11/15/2006 4:26:08 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

LOL...I do believe you are correct!!

Give him a red nose...and he would look like WC Fields...or Teddy Kennedy...LOL


38 posted on 11/15/2006 5:04:26 PM PST by Txsleuth
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To: Alia

So true! LOL


39 posted on 11/15/2006 5:11:01 PM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: shrinkermd; MNJohnnie
Uncommitted Rep.-elect Tim Walz (D-MN): "To be honest, I was waiting for the Speaker. When the Speaker speaks, you listen. I take that into heavy consideration" (Hearn, The Hill, 11/15)...

Thank you Tim Walz, you are now officially a "Nancy Boy Democrat", and we've got our 30 second attack ad quote lined up for 2008 already ... ANything Pelosi says, you follow. Gotcha.

40 posted on 11/15/2006 7:37:06 PM PST by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: ken5050

"But Diana Irey couldn't get any of the MSM to look at these questions during the campaign. Lawd knows, she tried.."

MSM is allergic to helping Republicans and conservatives.


41 posted on 11/15/2006 7:37:59 PM PST by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: shrinkermd

This article sure makes Walz look like a complete wimp.


42 posted on 11/15/2006 7:51:46 PM PST by Chesterbelloc
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To: ExTexasRedhead
The Republicans have had six years of Liberal obstructionism to watch and learn from. Now, they know how to respond to the corrupt Liberals. Use their tactics back on them.

Won't happen. Here's why:


43 posted on 11/15/2006 10:18:18 PM PST by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

They'll just blame it all on Bush.


44 posted on 11/15/2006 10:23:39 PM PST by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: sgtbono2002
If another attack comes the spin doctors will be out in full force and trying to blame it on George Bush. They will probably get away with it.

Unfortunately, you are correct.

45 posted on 11/15/2006 10:43:08 PM PST by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: aShepard

What would the swift boat veterans have to do with Murtha? Murtha was not on a swift boat.


46 posted on 11/15/2006 10:45:23 PM PST by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: Cobra64

"What would the swift boat veterans have to do with Murtha? Murtha was not on a swift boat."

Murtha himself brought up the lament that he was "being swift-boated by some Democrats" a couple of days ago. What a hoot!!!

Sure glad to have a few laughs this side of election day.


47 posted on 11/16/2006 5:13:04 AM PST by rightazrain (Past is prologue.)
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To: shrinkermd
This is an article to cite when people ask you the difference between Republicans and Democrats: Republicans became corrupt in office; the Democrats are assuming office already corrupt.
48 posted on 11/16/2006 5:16:18 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: Txsleuth
I can't stand Kasich, either, but I want Hoyer to win so that Pelosi's influence on other House members is diminished.

I also would like it if someone else ends up being Speaker because she has PO'd so many people.

49 posted on 11/16/2006 5:18:40 AM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, thank you for Mozart Lover's son's safe return, and look after Jemian's son, please!)
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To: Miss Marple
I also would like it if someone else ends up being Speaker because she has PO'd so many people.

I always felt this was a real possibility. The left wing media sensed it too--which is why they anointed her from the get-go. 24/7 Speaker Pelosi indoctrination. You can just hear them gloating: Let's just see you try pulling that sacred rug out from under the first ever history-making woman speaker of the house.

50 posted on 11/16/2006 5:37:48 AM PST by Eroteme
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