Skip to comments.`Purpose' (Driven Life) pastor has pulpit for Obama (Rick Warren Courts Dems)
Posted on 11/16/2006 5:33:58 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
WASHINGTON -- Like many fellow Democratic politicians, Sen. Barack Obama is no stranger to the pulpit.
But in December, Obama will go where few progressive Democrats usually venture--to a large, conservative evangelical church that boasts a Sunday attendance of more than 20,000 people.
Even more unusual is that he'll attend at the invitation of megachurch Pastor Rick Warren, evangelical icon and author of the popular Christian book "The Purpose-Driven Life."
Aides to Obama say he will appear at Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., on Dec. 1, World AIDS Day.
"Sen. Obama has a deep respect for Mr. Warren's commitment to fighting AIDS and poverty," said Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor.
While he was working on his latest book, "The Audacity of Hope," Obama asked Warren to help by reading one of his draft chapters. Warren issued the invitation to Obama to speak at the church next month.
The messages that Friday will focus on AIDS and HIV, a key area of ministry for Saddleback Church. While many conservative Christians have shied away from AIDS because of their discomfort with its connections to premarital sex and homosexuality, Warren and his wife, church co-founder Kay Warren, have been vocal advocates for patients living with the disease.
Shortly before the release of his latest book, Obama issued a call to progressives to shed bias against religious people and to recognize "overlapping values."
(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...
Democrats are working on publishing a new book: "The Purpose Driven Abortion"
This proves that Rick Warren has flipped out. I hope the IRS monitors the Obama speech carefully, if one word of politics comes out of his liberal mouth, the IRS should strip Saddleback of any tax exemption status.
I knew Warren was actually liberal in disguise! How can he have a person come and speak to the church who believes in Abortion? I've completely lost all respect for Warren!
Same place Bill Clinton went to find solace and fame
Saddleback isn't a church; it's a town.
I thought Clinton went to Hybel's church.
Now CNN, Washington Post et al will proclaim mega-churches as kewl cuz so many African-American stop by them on Sunday morning.
WE know that the criticism is actually ONLY reserved for conservative politicians...
So Warren and Obama will get a pass if not total praise.
Real Estate Fairy visits pols who believe
Published November 15, 2006
Children don't believe in this one, but prominent Chicago politicians do, especially those hoping for discounts on the purchase of their expensive homes:
The Real Estate Fairy.
Sadly, the Real Estate Fairy isn't a cute blond pixie with gossamer wings. Instead, he's a bald Syrian guy with ear hair and dark suits, hanging around politicians, writing campaign checks.
Rather than use wings, the Real Estate Fairy has federal indictments stuck under his arms, the better to hover about helpfully during closings.
Who is the Real Estate Fairy?
Why, none other than Antoin "Tony" Rezko, the indicted one.
That's what I've been reading, first in the Chicago Tribune and then in the Sun Times. He doesn't visit taxpayers, just politicians.
The Tribune disclosed Rezko's curious real estate relationship with U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, the Chicago Democrat walking on water to the White House.
The Real Estate Fairy and Obama bought adjoining property. The Real Estate Fairy paid the asking price for his parcel; Obama paid less than the list for his and, presto, Obama had a home in Kenwood and a nice vacant lot next door.
Obama said that if he had to do it all over again, he wouldn't, since it didn't look right, perhaps because all of political Illinois knew that Rezko was by then toxic, infected with federal grandjuryitis.
And the other day, in the Sun-Times, the Real Estate Fairy struck again:
This one involves U.S. Rep. Luis Gutierrez, the Chicago Democrat who was a star in my column a few years ago for paying a measly $275 in yearly property taxes on a $340,000 home.
Gutierrez ended up forking over thousands of dollars in back taxes after those columns. He was so angry that for years, his tiny fists clenched whenever I approached.
According to the Sun-Times account, Rezko was developing a condominium project along the Chicago River. And Gutierrez bought in at what is called pre-construction prices, which means he made a killing.
Gutierrez bought the condo in 2003 for $434,900 and paid less than the other investors. He sold it three years later for $610,000. Gutierrez, who bravely decided not to challenge Mayor Richard Daley for re-election, says the Real Estate Fairy had nothing to do with anything............"
What is Rick Warren thinking?
Saddleback, IIRC, is the largest southern baptist church in North America. It's just not right letting a guy who supports abortion politic in your church.
The worm has turned.
May Obama hear God's Word there, Amen.
May God's Word change Obama and not vice versa.
May God's Word change us all and not vice versa.
There were some other threads the other day re Warren's trip to Syria and this link was posted.
I accept your apology, not for myself, but for the millions of others who still haven't seen the real Rick Warren. Thank you!
PURPOSE DRIVEN PING!
Indeed. I can't imagine the good Rick Warren is thinking will come of this... if he is thinking at all. There are far better resources on the subject of AIDS and HIV than the very liberal Barack Obama.
Of himself? Another religious leader with a little fame and celebrity. Out goes the true Message. Sad.
I go to church to hear the Word proclaimed on Sunday, not some flash-in-the-pan pol. Im sad for this congregation.
Is he going to talk about his "Purpose Driven Land Deal"?
Rick Warren always caused a bit of a red flag in my spirit. Here is how I feel about him...
"For there shall arise false Christs, and false pophets, and shall show great signs an wonders; inasomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."
My gosh, the number of Pharisees on this thread is incredible along with the possibles trolls! Oh no, Jesus is going to have dinner with a tax collector! (sarc/off)
If there is a separation of church and state I think Pastor Warren is blurring the line. He should stick to preaching the Gospel and leave public policy to the appropriate people.
You can have all the dinners you want with Obama; it's quite different to give him your pulpit...
Completely agreed, right down to the Scripture.
Obama wants to use TAX dollars to fight poverty and AIDS...not responsiblity.....not information that will truly solve the problem... his solution perpetuates the problem and lines the pockets of the politicians and abortion mills.....
anyone want to buy a book I have laying around.....I' let it go for 2 tylenol and a glass of water!
Jesus did not invite the tax collector to speak in the Temple.
Jesus didn't write an endorsement for the tax collector's book.
Nor did he invite the tax collector to preach to his followers.
Rick Warren and Bill Hybles ( and Robert Schuller and Joel Osteen, et al) are and have been pied pipers on the brad path to destruction. These men have preached the idolatry of self worship (with many cunning and crafty words) for more years than it makes sense to count.
Everything that man speaks must be tested to see if it lines up under the Word of God or departs from it. The father of lies deceives many and lures men to line up under his leadership, subtly twisting Truth to puff up the sinful flesh.
This is not a new direction for Warren. It's only a logical next-step. His entire "Purpose Driven" paradigm is flawed and he must continue distracting people from the Truth so his deceptive teachings are not made public.
"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" he would tell us.
Detailed review of both of Warren's "Purpose Driven" books can be found here - http://brogdensmuse.menofhonorministry.org/Apologetics.htm
When a dem goes to a church, it's a novel idea, an outreach, a new marketing concept. But when a Republican does so, it's politicing from the pulpit, a grave offense worthy having IRS tax exempt status yanked.
I have NEVER before seen such a double standard in anything!
I never liked Purpose Driven Life.
It is full of errors and heresy.
I started reading it and stopped.
Now, can a conservative work with a liberal to accomplish something, even if you disagree with them on other issues....yes. I have NO problem with Obama speaking there. It doesn't mean he supports him on other issues.
All he is there to discuss is AIDS.
But still, Rick worries me. He is a breed of new evangelicals that are frankly dangerous.
This is good because once they get rid of AIDS and HIV there will be no more death and dying in the world.
This is a bit more than 'dinner'....:^
I stopped before I started, all it took was seeing a quote by Anais Nin. Of all the people he could have quoted, he chose to use that one. What signal does that really send to people? I would like to ask Warren how does he know what she wrote? Has he actually read her materials?
My mother bought his book and gave it to me a couple of birthdays ago. I use it everyday... as a coaster for my coffee cup while I read my Bible.
See, unlike most FReepers, Rick Warren is explicitly non-partisan. He's willing to work with anyone respectful of his faith who will help alleviate suffering.
Frankly, I'm inclined to do likewise.
It's a Toon Town Too.........?
Even Assad of Syria
We did "40 Days of Purpose" in '03 and "Purpose-Driven Church" in '04. Same thing-huge waste of time AND we lost a couple of families who couldn't stomach Warren's man-centered "me-ology". I hunkered down and gritted my teeth and trashed the materials as soon as we were done.
I think most of those who were involved now see it as a mistake, especially "Purpose Driven Church", which Saddleback appeared to discontinue in midstream. We couldn't get the course materials for the latter weeks even though we had paid for them and the pastor was forced to improvise. We got the impression that it was a half-baked money-making gimmick. I suspect that Warren was losing interest in spiritual things even back then.
Sure - why not?
Warren's philosophy is non-biblical. His ideology has "driven" pastors all over the country to wreck churches and lives by selectively targeting who a particular church wants in its membership (i.e., we want young professionals in their 20s through 40s, but if you are over 60, hang it up). Jesus never made such a distinction. Now, this week, I see Warren, with his watered down truth courting the Dems and the President of Syria. It makes me ill and I wish the church would wake up to this wolf.
Warren said his "movement" is a "stealth reformation of the church."
Even here in secular California, we saw his real goals.
Have met lots of his "flock", waek, lukewarm, misguided by their "guru".
Warren, wants all churches to reform to his will, using phrases like "business model" to scheme ways to increase attendance.
Weak doctrine, picking versions of scripture to fit into his own meanings out of the original context.
I have met Many christians now reject his movement of "unless your church is growing it is sick" and "don't offend anyone to increase attendance at all costs"
He is a charlatan, and his mentors are Unitarians and Deists like Robert Schuller.
Because Assad is a CAUSE of suffering. He is a terrorist that spends millions trying to kill maim and destroy those he counts as enemies (even though the majority of the ones killed are usually considered innocents in a time of war). He wants the destruction of God's people, Israel. He doesn't allow full freedom in his country. And he is a tool of Satan. Need anything else, or can I just assume that when the time comes you will jump in line to take the mark of the beast because, Gee, that guy just wants to alleviate everyone's suffering.
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