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US Catholic Church seeks to find root of priest sex abuse
AFP ^ | 11/16/06

Posted on 11/16/2006 9:54:57 AM PST by presidio9

The US Roman Catholic Church has asked a criminology school to delve into the darkest pages of its history by probing the causes of a priest sex abuse scandal.

At a meeting due to end Thursday in the eastern city of Baltimore, the US Conference of Catholic Bishops voted to disburse 335,000 dollars to fund the first three phases of a study by New York's John Jay College of Criminal Justice.

"It will be a groundbreaking study, never done before in the US, nor in the world," Bishop Gregory Aymond, who chairs the Committee for the Protection of Children and Young People, told AFP.

"We don't know what would come out of it, but we are going to tell the truth," said Aymond, of Austin, Texas.

In 2002, the John Jay College of Criminal Justice had made a list of complaints and pedophilia cases in the US Catholic Church since 1985, when one of the first scandals came to light with the case of a Louisiana priest.

The university will now look into the "social and historical context" of sex abuse to see if such cases are more frequent in the Church than in the rest of society, notably in schools and youth clubs, Aymond said.

The Church wants to "look at what is unique" in the priest sex abuse crisis, he said.

The first part of the study would be completed in 2008 and made public, although the names of suspected priests would be omitted.

In the second part, the university will evaluate the Church leadership's response to sex abuse cases.

"We want to see where we failed and made some mistakes, and learn from those who handled it well," Aymond said.

The study will also paint a psychological profile of pedophiliac priests by reviewing cases in treatment centers.

The review will aim to show "to what extent is a priest sexual abuser profile the same as the psychological profile of the non-priests who are sex offenders," Aymond said.

The university will also interview abuse victims and examine education at seminaries over the decades.

The majority of priests accused of sex abuse were trained in the 1960s and 1970s in seminaries where psychological tests and sexuality education have since been introduced.

A final phase of the study will make proposals on how to prevent sex abuse and help victims.

"Our goal is to ascertain the causes of the clergy sexual abuse crisis and if we need to change any method we have now," said Teresa Kettlekamp, the executive director of the bishops conference's Office of Child and Youth Protection, which was created in 2002, in the wake of the sex abuse scandal.

But the study would also be useful to schools and youth groups, Church officials said.

"The pathology of abusing children isn't unique; it's a societal problem," Kettlekamp said.

"We are hoping it will be a big, big help to the society in general," she said.


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1 posted on 11/16/2006 9:54:58 AM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

I think I have it. You ordain a bunch of homos.


2 posted on 11/16/2006 9:55:39 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner

The cause...in a word....CELIBACY!


3 posted on 11/16/2006 9:57:22 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: presidio9
Here's a hint:

1 Corinthians 11

11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.


4 posted on 11/16/2006 9:57:48 AM PST by TChris (We scoff at honor and are shocked to find traitors among us. - C.S. Lewis)
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To: conservativecorner
"I think I have it. You ordain a bunch of homos."

That conclusion has no authority until you spend $335K to come up with it. And then it will be buried.

5 posted on 11/16/2006 9:58:00 AM PST by joebuck
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To: presidio9

They're paying John Jay Criminal College $1,000,000 in three installments to tell them that they ordained homosexual priests?


6 posted on 11/16/2006 9:58:16 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: NYer; Coleus; Salvation; wideawake; Aquinasfan

ping


7 posted on 11/16/2006 9:58:48 AM PST by presidio9 (Make Mohammed's day: Shoot a nun in the back.)
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To: DCPatriot

Wrong!


8 posted on 11/16/2006 9:58:53 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: presidio9

That should not be too hard. Hint: he has horns and a long tail and likes it hot.


9 posted on 11/16/2006 9:59:18 AM PST by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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To: DCPatriot

But the truth is they were never CELIBRAT. CELIBACY didn't make these men want to pray on little boys.


10 posted on 11/16/2006 9:59:21 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: presidio9
Here's another:

1 Timothy 3

2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;


11 posted on 11/16/2006 9:59:44 AM PST by TChris (We scoff at honor and are shocked to find traitors among us. - C.S. Lewis)
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To: conservativecorner

pun intended...pray = prey.


12 posted on 11/16/2006 10:00:29 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: DCPatriot; conservativecorner
The cause...in a word....CELIBACY!

So, if I'm celibate, I'm at risk of groping young boys?

13 posted on 11/16/2006 10:00:40 AM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: conservativecorner

For an exhaustive answer to that question, please read the book "Goodbye to Good Men". I believe the authors last name is Rose. Read it awhile ago and passed it on to my Catholic family members.


14 posted on 11/16/2006 10:00:51 AM PST by bella1 (Support the Minuteman Project.)
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To: presidio9

it begins with an "H"......for homosexual......


15 posted on 11/16/2006 10:00:55 AM PST by cherry
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To: presidio9

Guilty, repressed, catholics with psychological, sexual damage who don't want to act out their psychosis (homosexuality). They become priests and don't find a traditional psychiatrist who can help them with this PSYCHOLOGICAL problem, they remain homosexual.


16 posted on 11/16/2006 10:01:19 AM PST by word_warrior_bob
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To: presidio9

Should not be hard (no pun intended) to find the "root". It's attached to a Priests mid section.


17 posted on 11/16/2006 10:01:59 AM PST by fish hawk
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To: siunevada
So, if I'm celibate, I'm at risk of groping young boys?

Bear in mind that the abuse is almost exclusively statutory rape of gay teenagers by gay priests. Priests don't have a lot of contact with young boys.

18 posted on 11/16/2006 10:02:27 AM PST by presidio9 (Make Mohammed's day: Shoot a nun in the back.)
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To: conservativecorner
"I think I have it. You ordain a bunch of homos.

Yeah, too true. And the worst of it is that Catholic's everywhere outside the seminaries and the left-wing of the Church (those advancing women priests, married priests and homosexual marriage in the Church) realize this and get little traction within the Church. Young Catholic men report that some seminaries are so filled with homosexuals that they "weed" out conservative straight men from the priesthood. The end result (no pun) is that fewer priests come into the Church in America then elsewhere and those that are at least tolerate homosexuality.

19 posted on 11/16/2006 10:03:07 AM PST by Dogrobber
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To: DCPatriot
"The cause...in a word....CELIBACY!"

Teachers are preying on their students because teachers are required to be celibate.

Politicians are preying on their pages because politicians are required to be celibate.

Bosses are preying on their secretaries because bosses are required to be celibate.

etc...

20 posted on 11/16/2006 10:03:19 AM PST by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: presidio9

Used to have my child in Catholic school. I found it unreal that I needed to submit to a criminal background check to even be allowed to volunteer in the school, while they ordain the true culprits.


21 posted on 11/16/2006 10:05:12 AM PST by keepitreal
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To: presidio9

Do they realize it's the poofters?


22 posted on 11/16/2006 10:05:48 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Mike Pence for House Minority Leader and John Shadegg for Whip)
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To: conservativecorner
I think I have it. You ordain a bunch of homos.

Bingo!

23 posted on 11/16/2006 10:05:52 AM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: DCPatriot
The cause...in a word....CELIBACY!

Now let's see the logical argument for this.

24 posted on 11/16/2006 10:06:07 AM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: presidio9

"Bear in mind that the abuse is almost exclusively statutory rape of gay teenagers by gay priests."

Or at least the teenagers are gay by the time the priest gets done with them!


25 posted on 11/16/2006 10:06:24 AM PST by Elpasser
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To: DCPatriot
.The cause...in a word....CELIBACY!

Yes if those darn school teachers didn't have vows of celibacy there wouldn't be so much teacher/child molestation....

26 posted on 11/16/2006 10:07:01 AM PST by NeoCaveman (Mike Pence for House Minority Leader and John Shadegg for Whip)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
They're paying John Jay Criminal College $1,000,000 in three installments to tell them that they ordained homosexual priests?

... who had pedophilia (i.e. chicken-hawking) tendencies?

27 posted on 11/16/2006 10:08:16 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: presidio9

"The Church wants to "look at what is unique" in the priest sex abuse crisis, he said. "

Queers as priests.

Duh.



28 posted on 11/16/2006 10:08:19 AM PST by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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To: presidio9
One word: liberalism
29 posted on 11/16/2006 10:08:35 AM PST by rhinohunter (1 RINO down...4 to go!!!)
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To: TChris

1 Cor 7:32-35

I want you to be free from anxieties. The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord; but the married man is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided. And the unmarried woman or girl is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to be holy in body and spirit; but the married woman is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please her husband. I say this for your own benefit, not to lay any restraint upon you, but to promote good order and to secure your undivided devotion to the Lord.


30 posted on 11/16/2006 10:09:43 AM PST by littlehouse36 (Said the Grasshopper to the Ant)
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To: TChris; presidio9

What do you make of those 'which have made themselves'?

Matthew 19:12

For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.




31 posted on 11/16/2006 10:11:14 AM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: conservativecorner
I think I have it. You ordain a bunch of homos.

I had a nice lengthy response in the works, but you summed it up in 11 words.

The Church wants to "look at what is unique" in the priest sex abuse crisis, he said.

We know what is unique. 90% of the victims were teenage boys.

32 posted on 11/16/2006 10:13:10 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: NeoCaveman

Nope, they sure don't, otherwise they wouldn't keep admitting them to the seminaries.

My family has been Catholic for at least 1000 years, and I must say this tragedy in the Church is a nightmare to me.

How do I know, for example, that the man I'm confessing to isn't buggering boys, now or in the past?

I hate the thought of it.

Perhaps this study will answer some questions? I hope so.

My God, what a mess.


33 posted on 11/16/2006 10:13:21 AM PST by RexBeach ("Important principles may, and must be, inflexible." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: bella1

"Goodbye Good Men" - Michael Rose


34 posted on 11/16/2006 10:13:34 AM PST by pbear8 (Love you Rummy)
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To: TChris
Matthew 19:12 (New International Version)
   
For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage[a]because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

35 posted on 11/16/2006 10:13:58 AM PST by littlehouse36 (Said the Grasshopper to the Ant)
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To: siunevada

Evidentally Paul himself was one of the last.


36 posted on 11/16/2006 10:14:05 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: frogjerk

Well, if celibacy wasn't a requirement for priesthood, it wouldn't be such a magnet for homosexuals and pedophiles.


37 posted on 11/16/2006 10:14:33 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: word_warrior_bob

Guilty, repressed, catholics with psychological, sexual damage who don't want to act out their psychosis (homosexuality). They become priests and don't find a traditional psychiatrist who can help them with this PSYCHOLOGICAL problem, they remain homosexual.

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Follow up to my last post, re: pedophelia.

It's becoming more apparent that this behavior is "hard-wired", meaning a problem with one of the brain functions, much like serial killers who have frontal lobe damage/ill-working frontal lobes which leaves them with no conscience, remorse, etc.

You CAN have these things hard wired in your brain and not act on them also, although it is very difficult, and if you have a bad upbringing, experiences, etc, these flaws will rise to the surface.

It's a case of nature/nurture, science/nurture if you will.

Homosexualty falls into the category of early childhood, psychological issues, perhaps a predisposition, but the "gay gene" has not been found, although I can literally say I've seen no less than a dozen newscast, articles saying the "gay gene" has been found.

Homosexuality is a psychological/abnormal issue, some people are depressed/bipolar/obsessive compulsive/self destructive, etc.,etc.

Some people are homosexual, that's why they try and introduce teaching, normalizing this abnormal behavior at an early, confused, psychological state and it should NOT be taught in schools as "normal".

You can take a kid and make him a criminal, you can take a kid and make him a homosexual.

A large percentage of homosexual men were abused as children.

I'm sure I'll get some grief for this, but a friend of mine was one of the top shrinks in the USA (RIP), he treated homosexuals, necropheliacs, etc.

Wow, did he have some stories!


38 posted on 11/16/2006 10:14:41 AM PST by word_warrior_bob
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
... who had pedophilia (i.e. chicken-hawking) tendencies?

Actually, no. I don't think the Catholics intentionally hired homosexuals who were more disposed to molesting teen-age boys than an average homosexual. It's a numbers game. The evidence I have seen suggests that homosexuals are more prone to this kind of behavior than heterosexuals. So if you hire enough of them, it happens--especially if the church lets the offenders avoid consequences for many years.

Some sexual abuse of teens in the church will happen no matter how careful the church is. But the numbers could be greatly reduced by not hiring homosexual priests and by allowing severe punishment (both ecclesiastical and secular) of those who offend what should be a clear line.

39 posted on 11/16/2006 10:15:56 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: conservativecorner
But the truth is they were never CELIBRAT

*************

Hmmm. That's a new one to me.

40 posted on 11/16/2006 10:17:57 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: TChris
You can pick and choose individual Bible verses to support your argument, or you can look at all the passages regarding a particular topic, and then make sense of all of them.

For example, there are two verses that contradict the idea that celibacy is intrinsically evil:

Matthew 19:12

"For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

1 Corinthians 7:8-9

Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.


41 posted on 11/16/2006 10:18:10 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: presidio9

Priest Maxi knows the answer....


42 posted on 11/16/2006 10:18:14 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: presidio9
Couple of observations here.

1. It's common knowledge that pedophiles seek out professions or other outlets that bring them into contact with children as authority figures, in order to misuse that authority.

2. Celibacy, as defined by Dictionary.com, has several definitions for the word. Only one of these involves completely abstaining from sexual relations.

The other two read as follows:

2. abstention by vow from marriage: the celibacy of priests.

3. the state of being unmarried.

Homosexuals (until recently) haven't had any interest in being married, so vowing "celibacy" wasn't the sacrifice it would be for a straight person. But to a homo with Clintonian ability to define words to suit their own purposes, they can claim they are celibate because they abstain from marital relations.

Contrast that with the rampant pedophilia by teachers we've seen in the press. Teachers don't take a vow a of celibacy, but they do work in a "calling" that brings them into authoritative contact with kids, which some number of them abuse. It's just not the strictly homosexual kind, like you tend to see in priests, a job restricted to males only.

43 posted on 11/16/2006 10:19:20 AM PST by Kenton
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To: presidio9

Homosexuality is a sin, per the church, they must remain celebate. So they become priests, but the celebacy thing is damn tough to keep. An old friend of mine, gay, almost joined up and explained it to me. The real problem is the decades (centuries) of coverup. Go with a no tolerence policy and it would be less frequent, but it would still happen and you'd also be even shorter on priests.


44 posted on 11/16/2006 10:19:51 AM PST by east1234 (It's the borders stupid. It's also WWIV.)
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To: DCPatriot
The cause...in a word....CELIBACY!

Which is why married men don't sexually abuse young girls and boys, right?

Secondly, while horrific, the rate of sexual abuse of minors by Catholic priests is about the same as the rate of sexual abuse among Protestant ministers and public school teachers.

Finally, Jesus and St. Paul recommend celibacy "for the kingdom of heaven," for those who can accept it. See post #41.

45 posted on 11/16/2006 10:21:33 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: TChris

The cultural upheaval of the 1960's along with many men who did not want to go to Vietnam going into the preisthood as a way to avoid the war. Also a acceptance of gays into the preist hood as long as they said they would be celebrate. Big mistake.


46 posted on 11/16/2006 10:22:27 AM PST by therut
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To: presidio9

The facts have already been collected please see the book: "Goodbye Good Men: How Liberals Brought Corruption into the Catholic Church" By Mike S. Rose. The investigation is there for all to read.


47 posted on 11/16/2006 10:23:38 AM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: ModelBreaker
....The US Roman Catholic Church has asked a criminology school to delve into the darkest pages of its history by probing the causes of a priest sex abuse scandal....

Why not ana-lyse why the Fox ate the chicken!... Can we cure the Fox...

You have to give to them... They are SUCH INTELLECTUALS... SO ERUDITE AND SO ENLIGHTENED... that only them can understand why queers like young boys

The rest of us are just, stupid, sleaze-balls, little children, twits, and the like... - ROFL

48 posted on 11/16/2006 10:24:09 AM PST by ElPatriota (Let's not forget, we are all still friends despite our differences)
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To: DCPatriot

Yeah, those Catholics should learn something from the fact that schoolteachers and protestant ministers and Anglican priests never molest kids.

Oh, wait...


49 posted on 11/16/2006 10:24:11 AM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: DCPatriot
The cause...in a word....CELIBACY!

Your post...in a word...IDIOCY!

50 posted on 11/16/2006 10:24:15 AM PST by Petronski (BRABANTIO: Thou art a villain. IAGO: You are--a senator. ---Othello I.i.)
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