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The Real Meaning of This Election (Vanity)
November 17, 2006 | Miss Marple

Posted on 11/17/2006 11:13:00 AM PST by Miss Marple

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To: Bonaparte
As dumb as many voters are, they know good and well that this is not "governing as a conservative."

Sadly I agree -- it is not conservative. His cozying up to Clinton makes me want to hurl something.

41 posted on 11/17/2006 1:45:47 PM PST by PhiKapMom ( Go Sooners! Rudy for 2008)
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To: Miss Marple
The Democrats counted on the "schizophrenic" voter. And a few other matters. The schizophrenic voter has been psychologically intimidated into believing the MSM isn't trying to sell a product; a political party. That everything will "kill" you unless you continue to pay homage to the deities masquerading as science and "commercials" during their broadcasts.

The Schizophrenic voter, has usually been exhibited mostly by California Voters. California voters have classically voted FOR issues which appear to be conservative; but vote into office people who will NOT support the will of the popular issues voted for.

Example: I'm FOR the WOT; but I'm not a warmonger. Which of the candidates is mostly closely aligned with not being a "warmonger".

The schizophrenic voter has closely held beliefs but doesn't care to be aligned with, or slapped around and abused by the party which does the abusing -- Democrats.

The schizophrenic voters votes his private beliefs, but doesn't wish to be abused for having those "beliefs", ergo elects candidates who are PC. (As tho that will somehow exempt them from abuse by Democrats.)

And now the "pro-borders" folks, who used every selectively creative cite imaginable to call the President a "sell-out", are busy working on their next phase. They'll demand Pelosi et al, build their fence. And "Pelosi" will hear them. :)

Look, MA!? "No Hands!"

42 posted on 11/17/2006 1:47:35 PM PST by Alia
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To: PhiKapMom
"His cozying up to Clinton makes me want to hurl something."

Then there's GHWB. The only way he and bill clinton could get any chummier would be if they moved to Vermont and got hitched.

43 posted on 11/17/2006 1:50:24 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: TitansAFC

We lost four Senate seats by less than 10,000 votes combined. IMHO we didn't give people a reason to vote for us as we used scare tactics about what the Dems would do if elected and they fell flat.


44 posted on 11/17/2006 1:53:12 PM PST by PhiKapMom ( Go Sooners! Rudy for 2008)
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To: Alia
Excellent points, Alia!

California voters are pro-death penalty, but consistently vote in leaders who will do all they can to be sure the DP is not carrried out.

California voters support definition of marriage, but consistently elect leaders who propose, pass and sign "gay union" bills, promulgate homosexual agenda policies and wink at violations such as Mayor Newsome's illegal authorization of homosexual marriages in SF.

California voters support non-preferential admission, hiring and promotion in public institutions, but consistently elect leaders who look the other way when tax-supported institutions like UCB continue to implement race- and gender-based preferential practices.

California voters couldn't wait to recall a governor who had driven the state into ruinous debt -- and then replace him (twice!) with a governor who does the exact same thing in the form of bonds that will impose so much hardship on the next generation that re-locating their business to another state will be a no-brainer.

The examples of this "schizophrenia" are too numerous to list in one sitting.

45 posted on 11/17/2006 2:02:21 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: RobFromGa; AntiGuv

There are a number of factors. These are a few which few have pointed out:

1.) A GOP collapse in the Northeast. Perhaps it was always coming, but moderate GOP incumbents were able to hang on due to crossover moderates and independents. But the bottom fell out in that region. It's somewhat similar to what happened in the South during the 1990's. The GOP can win back some of those lost seats, but running moderate candidates where conservatives couldn't win. A similar strategy worked for Democrats this year.

2.) Betrayals of conservativism. There are select issues where the betrayal cut deeper than others. Too many Republicans officials turned their backs on conservative causes by supporting open borders and free trade. They engaged in outrageous earmarks and increases in domestic spending. In fact, domestic spending has increased more under Bush than under Clinton. And the soaring deficit didn't help. The national debt is now $8 TRILLION. It's quite an accomplishment to make Democrats look fiscally responsible.

3.) Republican politicians with an overriding sense of entitlement. This was the biggest problem. Conrad Burns, Katherine Harris, and Don Sherwood were the most egregious examples. They should never have sought election to the offices they sought. But thought that they were entitled to the posts they wanted, and repeatedly scorned pleas to drop out of their respective races in favor of better candidates.

4.) Appearing to lack positive purpose. The GOP ran on the theme that Republican politicians are less dangerous to the nation than Democrats are. The only thing the GOP establishment in Washington, D.C. stood for was holding political power for its own sake. Power is supposed to be a means of achieving positive ends. That was replaced by conservative slogans as a means of holding political power.

That's my take, aside from the individual races.


46 posted on 11/17/2006 2:28:47 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Corporatism is not conservatism)
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To: Bonaparte
California voters couldn't wait to recall a governor who had driven the state into ruinous debt -- and then replace him (twice!) with a governor who does the exact same thing in the form of bonds that will impose so much hardship on the next generation that re-locating their business to another state will be a no-brainer.

And when that business is relocated to another state, the private investor will make more bang for his buck, rather than having that bang confiscated by the afl-cio unions and ad nasueum ilk (such as the onerous "clean air" commissions, forced minimum wage, forced "EEOC mandates", forced DISABILITY.

Here's what I think Arnold's thinking is right; and for the near term for any business wishing to survive what the Dems have planned, next.

It's basic econ. Most majo firms have already figured this out -- moving their HQ's out of the state of CA. Arnold is Governor; but the state legislative body is run by the Dem pickpockets and scolds.

One can still live in CA, and live well, as long as they are not under the burden of what the Dem Body of Legislators enforce upon their businesses. This is covered in basic Econ, Bonaparte.

47 posted on 11/17/2006 2:32:28 PM PST by Alia
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To: RobFromGa

Rob,

Is it too early to start a Senate 2008 ping list?

Jay


48 posted on 11/17/2006 2:39:21 PM PST by GOPsterinMA
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To: GOPsterinMA

I'll change my 2006 to a 2008 list on the next ping. It is going to be low volume for a while though.


49 posted on 11/17/2006 2:40:25 PM PST by RobFromGa (I'm still optimistic about our future!)
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To: Miss Marple

I really think the office of President is totally insulated from the real world, so by the 6th year, they're really clueless. I hope that future republican candidates come to the battle technically savy. They should be armed with a laptop and be able to monitor blogs and websites like Free Republic so they can see what "real people" out there are thinking.


50 posted on 11/17/2006 2:40:25 PM PST by IrishRainy (The only way BJ Clinton would have nailed bin Laden is if Ossama had been a White House intern.)
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To: Alia
... "clean air" commissions, forced minimum wage, forced "EEOC mandates", forced DISABILITY"

... forced political campaign contributions from union members... forced pay-outs of outrageous state employee pension packages... on and on and on...

When a thief is given a license to rob you, all his inhibitions are gone. When some thug puts a gun in your face and demands your money, he just takes what you have in your wallet at the moment and you never see him again. When a politician robs you, he never stops.

51 posted on 11/17/2006 2:43:23 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: RobFromGa

Sweet!

May I be the first to post a result from Election Eve, 2008:

"John Kerry (D-Massholechusetts) wins another six year term to the U.S. Senate, defeating Libertarian candidate Mike Cloud 73% to 27%."


52 posted on 11/17/2006 2:48:16 PM PST by GOPsterinMA
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To: Miss Marple
I have NEVER liked Rahm. He really creeps me out.

I think we need to make him and his ilk the basis of some investigative work, much like those on the dark side tried to do with Rove.

From here on in, the gloves HAVE to come off - if we ever want to get back to where we were. Our country needs us now more than ever.

We also seriously have to do something to get our message out. We are outnumbered here by our enemies - the dumbocrats, the media, and the Soros-funded groups who want to see our country neutralized.

53 posted on 11/17/2006 2:50:26 PM PST by IrishRainy (The only way BJ Clinton would have nailed bin Laden is if Ossama had been a White House intern.)
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To: Miss Marple
Extremely interesting analysis. As for how to win in this environment, I humbly submit the plan that Brian Fraley helped design and implement to engineer perhaps the only D-to-R flip in a statewide/federal election, the Wisconsin attorney general's race. He's describing it in three parts - Parts 1 and 2 are already up, and part 3 will be up on his blog next week.

Because Fraley assumes that the reader knows the background of the AG politics going in, I'll give a short background the race (I'll at least try to keep it short to keep this from taking a trip to Fantasy Island):

I THINK that's enough background to bring one up to speed.
54 posted on 11/17/2006 2:51:56 PM PST by steveegg (UNNNGGGHHH!!!!! Seeking a new state, will travel.)
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To: IrishRainy
I really think the office of President is totally insulated from the real world, so by the 6th year, they're really clueless.

Several dreaded pundits have pointed out, and history backs this up, that the American people just get tired of their leader after 6 years. Add that to the fact that Bush was not exactly elected by a landslide in either election, makes sense to me and probably how history will judge it...

Also, the Mark Foley scandal just made many folks throw up their hands and say, "they're all crooks, I'm staying home" and not just the Christian right either.

55 posted on 11/17/2006 2:53:07 PM PST by daisyscarlett
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To: Bonaparte
Yep. But here's where the whole Arnold as governor "things" makes me smile. He does uphold the law. As they are written. He does demand legislators to make every attempt to balance the budget; or some of their pet projects have got to go. And he invites CA Democrats to force other CA Democrats to make those "hard choices". Some days, I think it must be a hoot to be a fly on the wall for those "conflict resolution" meetings. ;>

The CA voter knows Arnold is not culling their voting records in order to "punish" those who aren't with him; he'll take votes from Dems and Repubs and Indies, alike.

Take minimum wage, for example. The Dems DEMAND an increase. Basic econ proves, over and over, that incomes go down, CPI goes up in those areas where minimum wage exists, and certainly increases. The businesses have to recoup costs in order to stay afloat as a business. They either go under, or they leave a location where it doesn't pay to do business, under legal terms. So, I say let the Dems in those blue counties enact their minimum wage hikes. Of course, the pressies will rail about how "down" the economy is, and in those "hard hit areas". Just publish the names of those legislators who demanded it, and of the businesses which have fled! :)

Milton Friedman was truly a gift from God, returned unto Him. His insights on economics encompassed the finest line possible between two points and regarding thought, word, and deed.

56 posted on 11/17/2006 2:54:33 PM PST by Alia
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To: Clintonfatigued
"Too many Republicans officials turned their backs on conservative causes by supporting open borders and free trade."

Free Trade is a major goal of the Republican National Platform. The phrase occurs over and over in that document. In fact, the Libertarian Platform goes even further -- they want no meddling at all in trade between countries, not NAFTA and not GATT.

So it would appear that free trade is ok with the great majority of conservatives.

That said, Bush is not the best friend free trade has ever had. He's supported tariffs favorable to steel, lumber and some products that compete with Chinese imports.

57 posted on 11/17/2006 2:58:15 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Miss Marple
 Newt Gingrich:

 These 11 issues are all clear and all doable.

  1. Make English the Official Language of Government.
  2. Control the Borders.
  3. Keep God in the Pledge.
  4. Require a Voter ID Card.
  5. Repeal the Death Tax, for Good.
  6. Restore Property Rights.
  7. Achieve Sustainable Energy Independence.
  8. Control Spending and Balance the Budget.
  9. Tie Education Funding to Teacher Accountability.
  10. Defend America From the Irreconcilable Wing of Islam.
  11. Focus on Iran and North Korea.

 

58 posted on 11/17/2006 3:01:42 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Alia
... he'll take votes from Dems and Repubs and Indies, alike.

He sure could have fooled me on that one when he called social conservative voters "right-wing crazies." That was totally gratuitous and served no useful political purpose for him.

59 posted on 11/17/2006 3:04:27 PM PST by Bonaparte
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To: daisyscarlett
But the ridiculous thing is that Foley really didn't DO anything. And yet the dumbocrats vote in Gerry Studds for YEARS for actually kidnapping and raping an underage page!

Of course, when given the chance on TV, our side doesn't fight back and tell the American people the "other side." They're all afraid of the media which is pathetic. Ann Coulter would try but of course, she's "too mean." We need spokespeople who aren't afraid to stand up to the media and then stand their ground. The sheeple aren't getting the real story because we're too afraid to give it to them.

60 posted on 11/17/2006 3:04:49 PM PST by IrishRainy (The only way BJ Clinton would have nailed bin Laden is if Ossama had been a White House intern.)
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