Pat Boone: The Grinch, the 'gays' and Wal-Mart

WorldNetDaily ^ | 11/18/06 | Pat Boone

[Politicalmom]

What? You said Pat Boone "believed a lie". He stated that the 5% came from the gay website only. That is correct.

[Valpal1]

You state Pat Boone was snookered by the lie and quote snopes, yet Boone's article correctly relays the information that it is only from the websites sales the 5% is generated from.

Indicating, of course, that you are wrong and that Pat Boone was not snookered by any lie and understands exactly what he is writing about.

[ridesthemiles]

5%???

I am not sure that the NET profits on Wal-Mart sales are even 5%.
If I am correct, then they are in a loss position on these sales, all the while alienating a great number of customers, including me.
Since gays/lesbians supposedly represent only about 10% or less of the total population, I find this very disturbing to Wal-Mart's bottom line and to the shareholders. If shareholders want to personally donate to gay/lesbian causes, let them. But I don't feel it is right to be doing it thru the corp.

[Gabz]

We need an answer from the AFA as to whether they did this by mistake or whether they it was on purpose.

As far as I am concerned, they did it on purpose. I have been hammering the fact of the affiliate program in every one of these threads..........it's like trying to explain it to a brick wall.

[Sally'sConcerns]

through the homosexual group's website

The homosexual group's website must have people who view their website. The people who view their website must click on the WalMart ad. The people who clicked on the homosexual group's website and then clicked on the WalMart ad must then buy something from WalMart.

First, I wonder how much traffic the homosexual group's website generates. Then I wonder how many of them are actually in the mood to shop WalMart via the link.

On what basis would you deny the website participating in WalMart's affiliate program based on the list provided in this thread?

Mountain out of a molehill. When you shop for just about anything, are you always so aware of the purity of the providers? Are you absolutely positive the chicken you purchase at your local grocery store wasn't raised/slaughtered/shipped by a company which didn't have one thing to do with anything homosexual? How about carrots? Celery? Onions? Apples? Canned vegetables? Flour? Sugar? Salt? What about your clothing? Pattern? Material? Thread? Transport? Store?

[gondramB]

>>Since gays/lesbians supposedly represent only about 10% or less of the total population, I find this very disturbing to Wal-Mart's bottom line and to the shareholders. If shareholders want to personally donate to gay/lesbian causes, let them. But I don't feel it is right to be doing it thru the corp.<<

You should should read down through the thread.

At first I thought the AFA had a made a mistake but its looking more and more like a deliberate dishonest economic sabotage by the AFA. Its such a large scale and so much money and they are continuing after being exposed as misleading that you have to wonder what they really have against Walmart, one of the more conservative donating, conservative acting large corporations in America.

[gondramB]

>>As far as I am concerned, they did it on purpose. I have been hammering the fact of the affiliate program in every one of these threads..........it's like trying to explain it to a brick wall.<<

Most large online sites have affiliate programs and market to a wide spectrum of people - its almost anti-capitalism to boycott based on this.

[Gabz]

WalMart should have a more careful approval process for affiliates. Period, end of story for me.

There is an affiliate network that sets the approval process.

Does this mean hate groups, skin heads and terrorists could also sign up for their affiliate program?

No and if anyone would bother to look into the affiliate program they would know this.

I had affiliate links for 100s of places on numerous websites for several years.

[Politicalmom]

What is your problem?

All I said that Pat Boone is not spreading false information.

Just because some people don't know how to read, doesn't mean he "believed a lie".

[Gabz]

Most large online sites have affiliate programs and market to a wide spectrum of people - its almost anti-capitalism to boycott based on this.

I agree, I participated in themback when not everyone had them and most people, other than web designers, even knew about them.

[gondramB]

Campaign Contributions from Wal-Mart PAC to Federal Level Candidates, 527s, and PACs, January 1999 to June 2006

Wal-Mart PAC Total Giving to Both Parties

January 1999-June 2006 $5,019,432

Wal-Mart PAC Total for Democrats $1,044,350
% to Democrats 20.80%

Wal-Mart PAC Total for Republicans $3,975,082
% to Republicans 79%

[Valpal1]

My problem is with the AFA that seems to deliberatley tried to sabotage a basically conservative corporation with misleading emails - 3,000,000 of them.

Have you read the alert? This is the pertinent paragraph

In a show of support to help homosexuals legalize same-sex marriage, Wal-Mart has agreed to automatically donate 5% of online sales directly to the Washington DC Community Center for Gay, Lesbian Bisexual and Transgender People. The cash donation will come from online purchases made at Wal-Mart through the homosexual group's Web site. This move follows Wal-Mart's joining the National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce and agreeing to give generous financial help to that organization also.

Don't see anything mis-leading there. I can post the full text for you if you like as I still have it in my email program dated Nov. 8th.

The latest one (Nov 14) is available online at https://secure.afa.net/afa/activism/signpetition.asp?id=1630

[Valpal1]

Wal-Mart Gives $60,000 To Homosexual Group To Support Homosexual Agenda In Workplace

Sign the pledge not to shop at Wal-Mart on the Friday and Saturday following Thanksgiving

Wal-Mart has gone on record that they are an advocate for the homosexual agenda. In the Out & Equal 2006 Workplace Summit Program Guide, Wal-Mart placed a full-page ad which explicitly stated that it would be an advocate for the homosexual movement. Keep in mind this ad was developed for the homosexual conference and aimed at participating homosexual groups.

Not only did Wal-Mart place the ad in the program guide, they also gave $60,000 to Out & Equal, a homosexual organization pushing the same-sex agenda, including same-sex marriage, in the workplace. Out & Equal served as conference host and the donation went to help sponsor the Out & Equal Workplace Summit held this past September in Chicago.

The purpose of the conference was to train homosexuals to convince the companies for which they work to support the homosexual agenda and to encourage other companies to do the same.

At the conference, Pride, Wal-Mart's in-house homosexual group, presented a PowerPoint presentation detailing how they were successful in getting Wal-Mart to support the homosexual agenda. The PowerPoint presentation, telling Pride's story, contains 51 frames. Each page of the presentation contains the line "Confidential Wal-Mart Stores, Inc." It was used to encourage conference participants to follow Pride's example in the companies for which they work.

Print out and distribute the Wal-Mart Pass-along Sheet by clicking here.

Have questions? Visit www.afa.net/faq.asp.

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Text of Petition:

Dear President Scott,

This will let you know that I will not be shopping at Wal-Mart or Sam's Club on the Friday or Saturday following Thanksgiving.

Your decision to financially support groups promoting homosexual marriage is very unfortunate. You could have remained neutral but decided to join the battle on the side of homosexual activist organizations.

With great disappointment, I will help spread the word to my friends and family about your decision.

[gondramB]

>>In a show of support to help homosexuals legalize same-sex marriage<<

Walmart is paying people to generate sales - that's capitalism

Amazon has a more than 1,000,000 afilliates and pays up to 8.5% - would it be fair to tell Christians that Amazon supports whatever cause each of those affiliates believes in?

I think this is a deliberate economic sabotage attempt playing on Christian fears.

And to do it at Christman, a time of love -is really bad form..

http://affiliate-program.amazon.com/gp/associates/join/info2.html/ref=amb_link_517882_7/002-5008297-0649639

BTW, 5% is lowest Walmart pays any affiliate (they have 10's of thousands) and some get up to 12%

[gondramB]

I looked at that page about an hour ago and notices a serious lack of actual source references - where is the ad? Where is the Walmart statement? where is a response from Walmart>

[Valpal1]

At first I thought the AFA had a made a mistake but its looking more and more like a deliberate dishonest economic sabotage by the AFA. Its such a large scale and so much money and they are continuing after being exposed as misleading that you have to wonder what they really have against Walmart, one of the more conservative donating, conservative acting large corporations in America

Maybe they want to halt the leftward drift of the corporate managers ongoing since Sam died. If not now, when? At what point do we say enough is enough?

[Abby4116]

So it wouldn't bother you if groups such as NAMBLA, Aryan Nation, the Ku Klux Klan or al Qaida signed up for the same program?

Of course it would bother me. It bothers me that this gay website did. However, as long as walmart has a referral web program in place, they cannot discriminate based on sexual preference.

What bothered me about the article is the wording - I'm not sure if it was meant to be misleading or not, but it really is.

[gondramB]

>>Maybe they want to halt the leftward drift of the corporate managers ongoing since Sam died. If not now, when? At what point do we say enough is enough?<<

Enough in what sense? I'm past the point where I would ever trust the AFA again. This was pretty dirty pool, particularly when Walmart is donating conservative and pulling products that generate complaints for being explicit.

Where ever people shop instead is likely to be less conservative.. This reminds me of the people who want to elect Hillary because the Republicans didn't do what they wanted on some issue.

[Valpal1]

The ad is hot-linked in PDF format on the Nov 14 alert and other hot links are there as well.

[Sally'sConcerns]

What is your problem?

All I said that Pat Boone is not spreading false information.

Just because some people don't know how to read, doesn't mean he "believed a lie".

My problem is the manner in which he's disclosing the information. Please carefully read this paragraph from his article and then I'll tell you why I have a problem.

So imagine my surprise, my shock really, when I read yesterday that this venerable company, the international outgrowth of Mr. Sam's personal vision, has agreed to automatically donate 5 percent of online sales directly to the Washington, D.C., community center for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people! The cash donation will come from online purchases made at Wal-Mart through the homosexual group's website. Every purchase made online for books, music, videos, clothing and accessories, children's clothing and toys, and electronics will automatically send 5 percent of the sales to the CCBLBT organization.

You have to read very carefully to see the donation comes through online purchases made through the homosexual's website. His first sentence is trumpeting his shock and surprise while stating WalMart is donating to the CCBLBT organization.

He uses all of this excited, action oriented, inflammatory language in both his opening sentence and in his closing sentence in the paragraph while hiding how it's being done in the second sentence.

When I say inflammatory and all, I'm not putting Pat Boone down. I'm simply saying he's using language which is designed to get people to think his way. I like Pat Boone, I just happen to think he's wrong in his stance on this particular issue and it may be because he's not informed on how affiliate programs work.