Skip to comments.AMERICA'S MAYOR SEEKS LARGER EMPIRE (Giuliani as presidential candidate is scary)
Posted on 11/19/2006 5:37:05 AM PST by Liz
****......he won't be able to get conservatives on his presidential bandwagon. He is pro-choice and favors same-sex marriage, gun control and stem-cell research. He has to be able to swing Middle America. Name redacted Bellerose
**** Who is going to run Giuliani's exploratory committee? I understand Bernie Kerik, Russell Harding, Richard Roberts and a list of assorted cons are available from Giuliani's group of yes men. Maybe his driver will be our next attorney general. That's just what our country needs - more scandals. Whitestone
**** Giuliani was a terrible mayor, and has spent all his days promoting himself. Manhattan
**** Giuliani for president? What is happening to the moral high ground of the Republicans? It sounds like they are becoming the more corrupt and morally disgusting bunch of the two parties, yet they want Giuliani to lead the party of moral conviction and family values? Memphis, Tenn.
**** Giuliani as a presidential candidate is a scary concept. Manhattan
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Giulianis gay worship is so extreme, he advocated stripping away the special legal status of traditional marriage. In 1998, he pushed a municipal ordinance that wiped out all distinctions between married and unmarried couples in New York City law, regardless of their gender.
Then-Mayor Rudy gave homosexuals high-paid city jobs including the son of Liberal Party honcho Ray Harding (who endorsed Rudy and gave Rudy the Liberal Party ballot line). Russell Harding stole the city blind, giving himself unauthorized salary raises, stealing electronic equipment, enjoying gay porn, internet child porn, and traveling with gay friends on the taxpayers' dime. When appraised of the ripoff, and that Russell was being prosecuted, Rudy said he "felt bad" for the Harding family.
Rudy never deviated from the liberal drill and dared not uter a discouraging word about the depraved Russel, lest Rudy alienate big buck homosexual and liberal donors and voters.
However, even though he had no legal or official mandate to do so, Rudy never hesitated to use his office to marginalize and demean conservatives and conservative values.
Rudy promoted his ex-driver---Bernie Kerik---for Homeland/Sec Chief. Kerik's nomination flopped b/c of his shady background, an illegal nanny problem, and for using an official post-9/11 pad for extra-marital trysts. Kerik later pleaded guilty to having mob connections.
So, just how is this liberal Democrat going to get the Republican nomination? He's the MSM's fallback position if McCain doesn't get it.
Big media took out George Allen; wow, did they do a number on him.
Conservatives better find a candidate.
If liberals are thinking this, then Rudy must be the man.
"Conservatives better find a candidate".
The rinos will put Romney up for nomination as well cuz.
Another Freeper post of Rudy bashing.
Rudy is liberal on many social issues. I am a libertarian and don't have a problem with that, even though I don't agree with him on some things. I don't like the positions that he took on gun control, but consider that the New York Law has a strict law that he was sworn to uphold. As a candidate for President, he would need to address his position on Federal Law. I'd like to see how he comes out on that issue.
On the issues that rate high for a President, Rudy is conservative: National Security and Defense; Homeland Security; Law and Order; fiscal responsibility; and leadership (he wrote a book by that name=he has it).
Haley Barbour and Mike Duncan are going to be the new standard bearers of Conservatives.
Barbour has some name recognition. Question is how clean is he?
When a man has control over the nuclear weapons and the choice is between an insane senator or a sane ex-mayor the other issues seem to take a back seat.
On the issues that rate high for a human being, Rudy Giuliani is lacking moral character. Just look at his personal life and the characters he chums with, like Bernie Kerik.
Look at FreeRepublic Poll on the side bar.
IMHO - Don't run and risk fracturing the party...
But do RINO's ever listen??
"Question is how clean is he?"
VP M. Steele/JC Watts
Homeland Security, hire JD Hayworth, he has no job
Consider the alternatives. You can't beat a scary someone with someone even more scary. Consider the 1964 Presidential race, when LBJ, a very scary person already, was building his entire legacy on that of JFK. The very thought of how LBJ may have been involved in the actions that catapulted him to the Presidency, and the cavalier attitude when confronted by challenges to that exalted position, is enough to bring doubt to the most trusting of people.
To boost his own standing, LBJ started the campaign of "scary Barry", and topped it all with the little girl picking daisies, who disappeared in the mushroom cloud. This was probably the epitome of negative campaigning, and it was wildly successful.
I was told that if I voted for Barry Goldwater that year, taxes would rise sharply, there would be widespread civil unrest, the war in Viet Nam would expand, and I would probably lose my job.
I voted for Barry anyway, and sure enough, every one of those predictions came true.
Only Rudy could make me a McCainiac. The nice thing about Mad Mc is that he'll be forced to pick a Rightist Veep . . . and I doubt Mc lives until 2017.
Rudy would likely try to make that legal.
Rudy Giuliani is effectively, if not intentionally, a stalking horse for Mrs. Bill Clinton. If he gets the nomination Mrs. Bill will certainly win. If McCain gets it then she will only probably win.
New York's law is not Constitutional, to begin with. You do not swear to uphold anything you don't believe in.
Rudy has done more than just "uphold" the unconstitutional crap, he has expanded it.
You can pick your issues that define "conservative", I'll pick mine!
He should run on the Liberaltarian party ticket.
Right now, I'm voting ABC--Anybody But Clinton. Sorry.
The Blue Blood GOP screwed up in '96 when they allowed Dole to ascend to the nomination instead of Lamar Alexander who would've cleaned ol' bill's clock.
Unfortunately, I think the GOP is in the ABC mode as well...at least that's what they'll put before us at all the fundraisers.
"If McCain gets it"
Lot of assumptions there...don't forget his health.
Nice take TD. I am sure you will agree that FReeper Anti-Hillary said it best: "Lord God, I pray, rise up a righteous leader in this party to run for the office of POTUS. We do not see one, but you know who they are. Place it on their heart to come forward and lead this nation back to her glorious roots. In the name of your son, amen!"
lol...you might have some credibility if you provided sources for your lies.
Rumor has it that Kerik was Commissioner of NYC Department of Correction before being appointed NYC Police commissioner by Rudy.
Usually folks want to get the truth out about candidates, not just smear their reps.
You think you saw Dems make gains in 06? You ain't seen nothing yet when you trot Rudy out as standard bearer.
Kerik was an alley cat just like I was, but he messed up by thinking it wouldn't come out when he went for DHS.
Lamar! wouldn't have cleaned Clintoon's clock. He was, is, and will always be a mediocre RINO with questionable core values. I've known the guy all my life.
About the only person who could've beaten Clintoon in '96 was probably Colin Powell, but he was another RINO squish who probably would've had the Congress back in 'Rat hands 8 years ago.
On the other hand, I can't understand why the Rudy-haters don't use the truth instead of innuendo.
He defeated Hillary's Senate run? /s
Dole and Lamar? Talk about Dull and Duller! At least Dole had a sharp tongue that he used to zing his opponents. Too bad he didn't use it in 1996, probably following the advice of some stupid Beltway consultant who told him he'd look mean if he did.
>Barbour has some name recognition. Question is how clean is he?<
Just take a look at the link to see what Haley is going to be facing.
I saw Rudy take control of NYC after the worst terrorist act in history. I saw him cut crime in NYC by 70%. I saw him turn down millions of dollars from a Saudi on moral grounds after that attack and I heard him say he would elect jurists in the vein of Alito and Roberts.
He's EXACTLY the kind of President I want.and no amount of "gay friend this" or "homosexual employee" that will change my mind. No matter how bad the MSM, or you evidently, wants me to dwell on it.
We have reached a mile stone in America.
people with the conservative agenda are going to vote their wallet.
We are rapidly loosing our Christian values when it comes to voting for candidates.
Giuliani does not have the values of the conservative below the mason Dixon line but when he is put up against Hillery most republicans will support him. It will all come back to the past add-edge in the recent election, HOLD YOUR NOSE AND VOTE.
I for one will not hold my nose the next time I vote. If we can't get a candidate who supports my values I can't persuade myself to give that candidate or party my vote. And, yea I know the response I will receive for this statement so don't waste your time and mine writing to me.
God has taught us to serve one God and, that God is Jehovah.
If you are a Christian you know very well what I am talking about. You don't serve him by electing people who allow an unborn child to be pulled from the womb by cutting it into pieces and sucking its brains out from its scull.
You don't vote for people who support men marrying men and women lying with with women.
Anyone with any reading skills can find many places in the scripture that teaches against these type of life styles.
Yet there are many who say they are Christians who will support people like Giuliani because he is using the GOP for his platform in deceiving Christians.
"He's EXACTLY the kind of President I want"
Are you a Republican?
But, us conservative know about Rudy as well!!
2008 is the line in the sand for the Republican Party as a viable political entitiy.
The Bush Administration and its associate leadership in the House and Senate failed to deliver on many key elements in the conservative agenda of the Republican political base and on others only under pressure from the conservative base.
A Giuliani or McCane nomination would be the end of it.
Neither of these individuals reflect the social values so important to the Republican political base or to the majority of independent Americans.
Giuliani WAS a terrible mayor for New York. Only 9-1-1 saved his reputation.
He's pro-gay, pro-illegal alien, pro-abortion, anti-gun and an insufferable egotist. Just being from the northeast would have made him suspect to middle America, but combined with these other failings, he would be a political catastrophy.
Big media did take out George Allen, but he certainly helped. Anyone who is dumb enough to call a young Indian kid "Macaca" while looking into his video camera is not presidential material.
Rudi's liberal views on abortion, gays, and guns--which I oppose--will not stop me from voting for him if that is what it takes to keep the Hildabeast and Slick Willy from moving back into 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. I can't think of a stronger advocate for fighting and winning the war against militant Islam than Rudi. If Rudi is top man I sleep well at night. I believe he has enough political smarts to not try to force his liberal social views on the party or the nation while he is president. I also question how much some of his liberal social views are heartfelt. How else but with liberal social positions is a GOPer to be elected in NYC? Name another Republican who has without faltering supported our President and other GOP candidates the way Rudi has? You haven't seen Rudi hitting the president so as to suck up to the liberal media the way McCain has. I am a conservative Republican but that does not mean I believe in forgoing power to stand on principle. Those who follow the purist path are inviting a solid Democrat congress and presidency in 2008.
The thing that comes to my mind about Barbour was after an election, I think 92, liberals in Congress wanted his head and I think it had to do with campaign $$$$ while running the RNC.
Course the speech god McCain has sorted all that out, he helped birth $ORO$ to buy the Congress.
Yeah 527's for all.
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