Skip to comments.Embittered Insiders Turn Against Bush
Posted on 11/19/2006 8:34:17 AM PST by TheTruthAintPretty
The weekend after the statue of Saddam Hussein fell, Kenneth Adelman and a couple of other promoters of the Iraq war gathered at Vice President Cheney's residence to celebrate. The invasion had been the "cakewalk" Adelman predicted. Cheney and his guests raised their glasses, toasting President Bush and victory. "It was a euphoric moment," Adelman recalled.
Forty-three months later, the cakewalk looks more like a death march, and Adelman has broken with the Bush team. He had an angry falling-out with Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld this fall. He and Cheney are no longer on speaking terms. And he believes that "the president is ultimately responsible" for what Adelman now calls "the debacle that was Iraq."
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Are we still allowed to call the French "Surrender Monkeys" when we seem to be following their lead?
At least the rats are happy.
Yawn the Wash Compost trying a pathetic attempt to stop nancy pelosi's implosion.
I've yet to see the WaPo refer to Hussein as "the disgraced" Saddam Hussein. I guess they are more sensitive to the feelings of murderous, Iraqi dictators than they are to American conservatives.
Adelman professes to be a thinker - In reality, he's a stinker.
Do I smell a book deal coming? Looks like Adelman is trolling for some interviews on the morning shows.
All I had to see was the headline, and I said to myself, "Gotta be either the NYT or the Washington Post."
The words "defeat" and "debacle" have to be defined pretty far down to apply either of them to the situation in Iraq. But, it appears our enemies are right about us. We just don't have the stomach for anything anymore...
I have been reading, ad nauseum, about all these "insiders" who have joined the lamestream scumbag newsrooms and the Democrats in criticiizing the conduct of the Iraq war, and I am still waiting for one report - - just one - - which, finally, includes a sentence that begins with, "What we should have done is....", or, "The way to win this thing is to....".
I give up. It ain't happening. Everybody's a critic, but nobody has any ideas.
This Washington Post story is just the same old same old.....
Their main printing plant is within walking distance of 5 mosques, one of which provided extensive services to the AlQaida ground control team that supported the two hijackings out of Dulles.
They speak out of fear, as well they should, and if we're all smart once we get rid of the Islamofascist threat we'll get rid of the "posties".
Sounds more like Adelman is the problem. At the least he's an opportunist.
I still don't see how Iraq is the quagmire everyone says it is. I actually think that it is going pretty well.
Countries are having second-thoughts about supporting terrorists due to the chaos in Baghdad and our military, most importantly our National Guard, have gotten a great education on how to fight terrorist scum in large cities and small. Oh yeah, and a dictator is soon to be hanged.
If that's a quagmire give me some more of that.
Part of the problem is that some of the people quoted in that article "defined victory up" so far that anything short of establishing a united pro Western Democratic government in Iraq can be claimed by our enemies as our "defeat".
Once the war was defined that way, we were in deep trouble.
You're right about the Guard. They, and the rest of the U.S. military, are the most combat-experienced force in the world right now including Israel. The American military has always proved--even in Vietnam--that given enough time and resources it can adapt to solve the problems it faces and achieve military victory. All the negativism here does not correlate with the general expression of hope and optimism you hear from the troops and the generals in Iraq. Rumsfeld said that if the war is lost it will be in Washington D.C. and not in Iraq.
Even assuming that the worst is true, trying and faily for 4 years is quite different from the French surrender model.
Spot on Brad. The quagmire is in DC, not Iraq.
I was struck by Abizaid saying that he felt hopeful when in Iraq talking to the Generals there. It was in DC that he felt despair about this conflict.
Et tu Neocons, as they jump madly from the sinking ship they built and swim quickly to suck up to the winning Democrats. There they will peddle themselves as Neolibs, the conservative shtick no more.
More worthless lectures, proving the adage, "Those who can't, teach".
I can't remember the name of the battle, but there was a battle during the Civil War where the Confederacy lost nearly 6000 troops in roughly 2 hours...
These people would have had the US surrendering after Pearl Harbor, after at least a short period of faking support for the war.
We have to annihilate the militas on both sides and the terrorists irregardless of the collateral damage or tell Maliki he no longer has our confidence and unless he allows us to DO WHATEVER it takes to put down Mookie and the insurgency we will consider his refusal an invitation to DEPART IRAQ.
We won the war but the duly elected Iraq Government has lost the peace.
My piece on these "Neo Culpas" will appear in the New York Sun tomorrow.
As an illustration, let's assume that after winning the initial war and getting rid of Saddam, 140,000 Chinese or Russian troops took over to stabilize Iraq. They are by no means equivalent to our troops in quality or armaments. Let's also assume that the Chinese and the Russians didn't have any accompanying airforce or hi-tech equipment, just their poorly equipped ground troops.
This insurgency would have been over in short order with Iran and Syria sitting on the sidelines without ANY interference. They wouldn't dare fooling around with the "wrong" crowd!
Why is that? Would they do BETTER than the only superpower? The answer is yes because they would have served the hearts & minds with a bullet each and NO PC in sight.
If you want more suggestions click the URL below, a post I wrote a while ago, with some suggestions of how to deal with the situation in Iraq.
What d'ya think?
Sounds like about 95% of Washingtonians/Beltway residents. I feel sorry for the other 5%.
Think about it, you recommend we do what they're already doing. That would make us "own" all of the deaths on all sides.
So long as Mookie isn't standing at the end of the day...
We won the war but the duly elected Iraq Government has lost the peace.
They're not tired of killing and dying *yet*. The US expelled, sometimes brutally, about one third of our population before we could form our government.
I think you need to stop reading leftist blogs.
These are the times that try men's souls.
IOW, when the going got tough these clowns ran for cover.
Many here will come to Bush's defense and criticize the critics.
Who is right?
I suggest the answer is in the FreeRepublic archives.
If you remember what was being written here by Bush supporters just two+ years ago when there was any criticism of the war. It was Bush's genius of a go slow master plan. Syria and Iran would be taken care of (always soon) so that they can't supply the terrorists fighting us in Iraq. All the potential to victory that was just around the corner when Bush would get going.
All BS. When Bush held hands with the Saudis, when he appointed appeaser Rice for SOS, it was all over. A PC "war" followed.
Today's critics are right. I'm one of them.
I think you might the sides here mixed up. The Unoin army got their asses kicked at the first battle of Bull Run. That was the first battle of the war just outside of Washington DC. Lee was stunned when the Union army broke and ran. The Confederate chased the Union army and the civilian spectators back to the edge of town.
There is a difference between urban and mountain fighting. The Russians would have civilians to retaliate against when they harbor terrorists in a city but couldn't have done the same to find them in caves.
You don't have to underline your argument by accusing me of whatever you please.
Wise up and behave yourself!
Have a good day.
That doesn't mean we have to like it.
Unfortunately some Freepers are still in the "Bush can do no wrong" and "It's all the durn librul media's fault" mode. It's frustrating, but I do think that for most Freepers the reality of the incompetence this administration showed has set in. Team Bush screwed up royally by appointing yes-men like Bremer and Rummy to run things.
I disagree with you- and the critics- about Rumsfeld.
The US military- with Rumsfeld in charge-could have successfully accomplished any mission ordered. Where given carte blanche, to topple Saddam, the military performed magnificently.
If Rumsfeld would have been found incompetent we will never know.
What occurred was a loss of political will from the White House under pressure from State and their UN, EU, etc allies.
The military - including its civilian leadership- just takes orders from the "Decider". And the orders were not to do what it takes to "win".
Nope, found it... From "Civilwarhome.com"
Lesser battles are famous for their casualties. At Franklin, Tennessee, November 30, 1864, General Hood's Confederates lost over 6,000 of 21,000 effectives -most of them in about two hours. Six Confederate generals died there.
I agree with you on the main reason.
Our military's hands are tied up by the what-are-people-going-to-say fear.
Our military was and is not allowed to conduct the war against the insurgency and their Iranian allies the way they are capable of.
While I'm not thrilled with the current chaos is Iraq, we have ousted Hussein. That means Iraq is not sponsoring international terrorism or building wmds. That by itself is a huge success. The day we dragged Hussein out of that spider hole is the day we greatly reduced the chances of a wmd going off in an American city.
I think you should be carefully listened to!! I think you might be a prophet. :-) Prophets are rarely welcome at first. Later, when proved right........it's amazing the reaction.
I mean some of what Saddam did to control the violent factions for decades. if you care to read my URL in which I explained some of the Iraqi history and violence, you may not find a need to be sarcastic.
I answered the Afghanistan question in a previous post. Are you gonna ask me about the Congo Brazzaville next? :-)
Instead of drive-by-posting, maybe you should try to guide us with a novel solution of your own.
Have a great evening, sir.
In the end, the President's greatest failing was surrounding himself with snakes like this.
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