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Embittered Insiders Turn Against Bush
Washington Post ^ | November 19, 2006 | Peter Baker

Posted on 11/19/2006 8:34:17 AM PST by TheTruthAintPretty

The weekend after the statue of Saddam Hussein fell, Kenneth Adelman and a couple of other promoters of the Iraq war gathered at Vice President Cheney's residence to celebrate. The invasion had been the "cakewalk" Adelman predicted. Cheney and his guests raised their glasses, toasting President Bush and victory. "It was a euphoric moment," Adelman recalled.

Forty-three months later, the cakewalk looks more like a death march, and Adelman has broken with the Bush team. He had an angry falling-out with Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld this fall. He and Cheney are no longer on speaking terms. And he believes that "the president is ultimately responsible" for what Adelman now calls "the debacle that was Iraq."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: iraq; kenadelman; neocons; turncoats
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1 posted on 11/19/2006 8:34:18 AM PST by TheTruthAintPretty
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

Are we still allowed to call the French "Surrender Monkeys" when we seem to be following their lead?


2 posted on 11/19/2006 8:35:30 AM PST by TheTruthAintPretty (G-d Bless our brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, fathers and mothers in harm's way!)
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

At least the rats are happy.


3 posted on 11/19/2006 8:36:05 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

Yawn the Wash Compost trying a pathetic attempt to stop nancy pelosi's implosion.


4 posted on 11/19/2006 8:37:32 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

I've yet to see the WaPo refer to Hussein as "the disgraced" Saddam Hussein. I guess they are more sensitive to the feelings of murderous, Iraqi dictators than they are to American conservatives.


5 posted on 11/19/2006 8:41:05 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (America! It's off with the desert BDUs and on with the lavender burqas!!!)
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

Adelman professes to be a thinker - In reality, he's a stinker.






6 posted on 11/19/2006 8:41:25 AM PST by hgro
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

Do I smell a book deal coming? Looks like Adelman is trolling for some interviews on the morning shows.


7 posted on 11/19/2006 8:42:55 AM PST by digger48
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To: TheTruthAintPretty
What they are claiming as a "defeat" is merely a serious effort by those losing power--the Sunnis--to hang on or return to power. They do this by suicide bombers killing civilians lined up for work, IED's on our soldiers and other means of dispiriting the civilian population both in Iraq and in the US.

The RATS want defeat little understanding the consequences there and here. Our enemies are formidable and especially those within "our gates."
8 posted on 11/19/2006 8:45:26 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

All I had to see was the headline, and I said to myself, "Gotta be either the NYT or the Washington Post."


9 posted on 11/19/2006 8:47:14 AM PST by Dont Mention the War (Giuliani '08: Why not p. o. BOTH sides?)
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To: shrinkermd

The words "defeat" and "debacle" have to be defined pretty far down to apply either of them to the situation in Iraq. But, it appears our enemies are right about us. We just don't have the stomach for anything anymore...


10 posted on 11/19/2006 8:50:24 AM PST by MeanFreePath
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

I have been reading, ad nauseum, about all these "insiders" who have joined the lamestream scumbag newsrooms and the Democrats in criticiizing the conduct of the Iraq war, and I am still waiting for one report - - just one - - which, finally, includes a sentence that begins with, "What we should have done is....", or, "The way to win this thing is to....".

I give up. It ain't happening. Everybody's a critic, but nobody has any ideas.
This Washington Post story is just the same old same old.....


11 posted on 11/19/2006 8:51:15 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: TheTruthAintPretty
[. . .a former aide's book accusing the White House of moral hypocrisy and with Vanity Fair quoting Adelman, Richard N. Perle and other neoconservatives assailing White House leadership of the war.]

The former Bush aide was exposed as a Clinton agent-provacatur and those misquoted in the Vanity Fair article have denounced it as fictitious, pre-election propaganda. The above article is post-election, partisan propaganda.
12 posted on 11/19/2006 8:51:15 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: TheTruthAintPretty
If the Washington Post says something, don't believe it.

Their main printing plant is within walking distance of 5 mosques, one of which provided extensive services to the AlQaida ground control team that supported the two hijackings out of Dulles.

They speak out of fear, as well they should, and if we're all smart once we get rid of the Islamofascist threat we'll get rid of the "posties".

13 posted on 11/19/2006 8:51:33 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

14 posted on 11/19/2006 8:51:45 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

Sounds more like Adelman is the problem. At the least he's an opportunist.


15 posted on 11/19/2006 8:54:18 AM PST by seppel
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

I still don't see how Iraq is the quagmire everyone says it is. I actually think that it is going pretty well.

Countries are having second-thoughts about supporting terrorists due to the chaos in Baghdad and our military, most importantly our National Guard, have gotten a great education on how to fight terrorist scum in large cities and small. Oh yeah, and a dictator is soon to be hanged.

If that's a quagmire give me some more of that.


16 posted on 11/19/2006 9:02:23 AM PST by HelloooClareece (Support the CinC during WARTIME or get outta my way.)
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To: MeanFreePath
The words "defeat" and "debacle" have to be defined pretty far down to apply either of them to the situation in Iraq.

Part of the problem is that some of the people quoted in that article "defined victory up" so far that anything short of establishing a united pro Western Democratic government in Iraq can be claimed by our enemies as our "defeat".

Once the war was defined that way, we were in deep trouble.

17 posted on 11/19/2006 9:16:07 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: HelloooClareece

You're right about the Guard. They, and the rest of the U.S. military, are the most combat-experienced force in the world right now including Israel. The American military has always proved--even in Vietnam--that given enough time and resources it can adapt to solve the problems it faces and achieve military victory. All the negativism here does not correlate with the general expression of hope and optimism you hear from the troops and the generals in Iraq. Rumsfeld said that if the war is lost it will be in Washington D.C. and not in Iraq.


18 posted on 11/19/2006 9:17:34 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: TheTruthAintPretty
Are we still allowed to call the French "Surrender Monkeys" when we seem to be following their lead?

Even assuming that the worst is true, trying and faily for 4 years is quite different from the French surrender model.

19 posted on 11/19/2006 9:18:44 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Spot on Brad. The quagmire is in DC, not Iraq.

I was struck by Abizaid saying that he felt hopeful when in Iraq talking to the Generals there. It was in DC that he felt despair about this conflict.


20 posted on 11/19/2006 9:20:32 AM PST by HelloooClareece (Support the CinC during WARTIME or get outta my way.)
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

Et tu Neocons, as they jump madly from the sinking ship they built and swim quickly to suck up to the winning Democrats. There they will peddle themselves as Neolibs, the conservative shtick no more.


21 posted on 11/19/2006 9:21:02 AM PST by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Capt. Tom

More worthless lectures, proving the adage, "Those who can't, teach".


22 posted on 11/19/2006 9:21:53 AM PST by laconic
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To: TheTruthAintPretty
From the Washington Post, it could be true.
23 posted on 11/19/2006 9:25:30 AM PST by RJL
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To: MeanFreePath
The words "defeat" and "debacle" have to be defined pretty far down to apply either of them to the situation in Iraq. But, it appears our enemies are right about us. We just don't have the stomach for anything anymore...

I can't remember the name of the battle, but there was a battle during the Civil War where the Confederacy lost nearly 6000 troops in roughly 2 hours...

These people would have had the US surrendering after Pearl Harbor, after at least a short period of faking support for the war.

Mark

24 posted on 11/19/2006 9:29:38 AM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

btt


25 posted on 11/19/2006 9:32:13 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: TheTruthAintPretty
I admire the never say die, stick to it leadership of the POTUS concerning IRAQ. I have been on his side from the beginning. That being said there needs to be a CHANGE in tactics on the ground vis a vie Mookie and his boys and the foreign invaders.

We have to annihilate the militas on both sides and the terrorists irregardless of the collateral damage or tell Maliki he no longer has our confidence and unless he allows us to DO WHATEVER it takes to put down Mookie and the insurgency we will consider his refusal an invitation to DEPART IRAQ.

We won the war but the duly elected Iraq Government has lost the peace.

26 posted on 11/19/2006 9:40:20 AM PST by PISANO
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

My piece on these "Neo Culpas" will appear in the New York Sun tomorrow.


27 posted on 11/19/2006 9:41:52 AM PST by LS
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To: Dane

PING!


28 posted on 11/19/2006 9:42:27 AM PST by Steamburg (Pretenders everywhere)
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To: Lancey Howard; Nancee

Solutions:

As an illustration, let's assume that after winning the initial war and getting rid of Saddam, 140,000 Chinese or Russian troops took over to stabilize Iraq. They are by no means equivalent to our troops in quality or armaments. Let's also assume that the Chinese and the Russians didn't have any accompanying airforce or hi-tech equipment, just their poorly equipped ground troops.

This insurgency would have been over in short order with Iran and Syria sitting on the sidelines without ANY interference. They wouldn't dare fooling around with the "wrong" crowd!

Why is that? Would they do BETTER than the only superpower? The answer is yes because they would have served the hearts & minds with a bullet each and NO PC in sight.

If you want more suggestions click the URL below, a post I wrote a while ago, with some suggestions of how to deal with the situation in Iraq.

What d'ya think?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1725530/posts?page=74#74


29 posted on 11/19/2006 9:46:39 AM PST by melancholy (Bella bint Pelusi, the Sneaker of the Out-House, she is a shoe-in!)
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To: seppel
Sounds more like Adelman is the problem. At the least he's an opportunist.

Sounds like about 95% of Washingtonians/Beltway residents. I feel sorry for the other 5%.

30 posted on 11/19/2006 9:57:55 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Closing in on 3000 posts, of which maybe 50 were worthwhile!)
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To: PISANO
We have to annihilate the militas on both sides and the terrorists

Think about it, you recommend we do what they're already doing. That would make us "own" all of the deaths on all sides.

So long as Mookie isn't standing at the end of the day...

We won the war but the duly elected Iraq Government has lost the peace.

They're not tired of killing and dying *yet*. The US expelled, sometimes brutally, about one third of our population before we could form our government.

31 posted on 11/19/2006 10:20:58 AM PST by GoLightly
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To: melancholy
A half million Russians couldn't put down Afganistan, we are to believe 140k would have solved Iraq?

I think you need to stop reading leftist blogs.

32 posted on 11/19/2006 10:41:27 AM PST by Diplomat
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

These are the times that try men's souls.


33 posted on 11/19/2006 10:41:52 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

IOW, when the going got tough these clowns ran for cover.


34 posted on 11/19/2006 10:43:32 AM PST by OldFriend (FALLEN HERO JEFFREY TOCZYLOWSKI, REST IN PEACE)
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

Many here will come to Bush's defense and criticize the critics.

Who is right?

I suggest the answer is in the FreeRepublic archives.

If you remember what was being written here by Bush supporters just two+ years ago when there was any criticism of the war. It was Bush's genius of a go slow master plan. Syria and Iran would be taken care of (always soon) so that they can't supply the terrorists fighting us in Iraq. All the potential to victory that was just around the corner when Bush would get going.

All BS. When Bush held hands with the Saudis, when he appointed appeaser Rice for SOS, it was all over. A PC "war" followed.

Today's critics are right. I'm one of them.


35 posted on 11/19/2006 10:52:39 AM PST by Sabramerican (Says the piano player: America's greatest legacy will be to create a Palestinian State)
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To: MarkL
I can't remember the name of the battle, but there was a battle during the Civil War where the Confederacy lost nearly 6000 troops in roughly 2 hours...

I think you might the sides here mixed up. The Unoin army got their asses kicked at the first battle of Bull Run. That was the first battle of the war just outside of Washington DC. Lee was stunned when the Union army broke and ran. The Confederate chased the Union army and the civilian spectators back to the edge of town.

36 posted on 11/19/2006 10:55:46 AM PST by painter (We celebrate liberty which comes from God not from government.)
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To: Diplomat

There is a difference between urban and mountain fighting. The Russians would have civilians to retaliate against when they harbor terrorists in a city but couldn't have done the same to find them in caves.

You don't have to underline your argument by accusing me of whatever you please.

Wise up and behave yourself!

Have a good day.


37 posted on 11/19/2006 10:58:22 AM PST by melancholy (Bella bint Pelusi, the Sneaker of the Out-House, she is a shoe-in!)
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To: Sabramerican

That doesn't mean we have to like it.


38 posted on 11/19/2006 10:58:58 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Sabramerican

Unfortunately some Freepers are still in the "Bush can do no wrong" and "It's all the durn librul media's fault" mode. It's frustrating, but I do think that for most Freepers the reality of the incompetence this administration showed has set in. Team Bush screwed up royally by appointing yes-men like Bremer and Rummy to run things.


39 posted on 11/19/2006 11:08:21 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

I disagree with you- and the critics- about Rumsfeld.

The US military- with Rumsfeld in charge-could have successfully accomplished any mission ordered. Where given carte blanche, to topple Saddam, the military performed magnificently.

If Rumsfeld would have been found incompetent we will never know.

What occurred was a loss of political will from the White House under pressure from State and their UN, EU, etc allies.

The military - including its civilian leadership- just takes orders from the "Decider". And the orders were not to do what it takes to "win".


40 posted on 11/19/2006 11:29:32 AM PST by Sabramerican (Says the piano player: America's greatest legacy will be to create a Palestinian State)
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To: painter
I think you might the sides here mixed up.

Nope, found it... From "Civilwarhome.com"

Lesser battles are famous for their casualties. At Franklin, Tennessee, November 30, 1864, General Hood's Confederates lost over 6,000 of 21,000 effectives -most of them in about two hours. Six Confederate generals died there.

Mark

41 posted on 11/19/2006 11:43:17 AM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: Sabramerican

I agree with you on the main reason.

Our military's hands are tied up by the what-are-people-going-to-say fear.

Our military was and is not allowed to conduct the war against the insurgency and their Iranian allies the way they are capable of.


42 posted on 11/19/2006 11:47:04 AM PST by melancholy (Bella bint Pelusi, the Sneaker of the Out-House, she is a shoe-in!)
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To: HelloooClareece
"pretty well"

While I'm not thrilled with the current chaos is Iraq, we have ousted Hussein. That means Iraq is not sponsoring international terrorism or building wmds. That by itself is a huge success. The day we dragged Hussein out of that spider hole is the day we greatly reduced the chances of a wmd going off in an American city.

43 posted on 11/19/2006 11:58:05 AM PST by driftless2
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To: melancholy
"What d'ya think?"

I think you should be carefully listened to!! I think you might be a prophet. :-) Prophets are rarely welcome at first. Later, when proved right........it's amazing the reaction.

Nancee

44 posted on 11/19/2006 1:27:28 PM PST by Nancee ((Nancee Lynn Cheney))
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To: hgro
"...-In reality, he's a stinker."

AMEN!!!

45 posted on 11/19/2006 1:29:02 PM PST by Nancee ((Nancee Lynn Cheney))
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To: melancholy
served the hearts & minds with a bullet each and NO PC in sight.

Amen, brother.

46 posted on 11/19/2006 1:35:36 PM PST by txhurl (We had to destroy the party in order to save it)
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To: melancholy
Good afternoon.
"...they would have served the hearts & minds with a bullet each and NO PC in sight."

Do you mean as the Chinese did in Vietnam and the Russians did in Afghanistan?

Michael Frazier
47 posted on 11/19/2006 1:40:34 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: brazzaville
Good afternoon, sir. Do you mean as the Chinese did in Vietnam and the Russians did in Afghanistan?

I mean some of what Saddam did to control the violent factions for decades. if you care to read my URL in which I explained some of the Iraqi history and violence, you may not find a need to be sarcastic.

I answered the Afghanistan question in a previous post. Are you gonna ask me about the Congo Brazzaville next? :-)

Instead of drive-by-posting, maybe you should try to guide us with a novel solution of your own.

Have a great evening, sir.

48 posted on 11/19/2006 2:16:20 PM PST by melancholy (Bella bint Pelusi, the Sneaker of the Out-House, she is a shoe-in!)
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To: melancholy
Good afternoon.
"Are you gonna ask me about the Congo Brazzaville next? :-)"

I wasn't planning on it, since it has nothing to do with the subject at hand. No, I'm responding to your belief that the answer to Iraq's problems is an iron thumb.

I don't really need to read your URL to know the history of the players in the middle east or to understand that we can't afford to lose, or that we can't leave yet without losing. My novel solution is for us to take Syria out of the picture and bring about regime change in Iran by any means in either place.

The take over by the DemocRATs is going to make that much harder to do. I've got to say that I'm not optimistic about things working out. W may have the only answer when he says "stay the course", but we're not likely to do so now.

I haven't seen you around here much, melancholy. Maybe it's just that I have overlooked your posts. Whatever, I'll post as I choose but thanks for the wish for a great evening.

Michael Frazier
49 posted on 11/19/2006 2:50:23 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: TheTruthAintPretty
"Anytime anyone holds themselves up as holy, they're judged by a different standard," said David Kuo, a former deputy director of the Bush White House's faith-based initiatives who wrote "Tempting Faith," a book that accused the White House of pandering to Christian conservatives. "And at the end of the day, this was a White House that held itself up as holy."

In the end, the President's greatest failing was surrounding himself with snakes like this.

50 posted on 11/19/2006 3:11:25 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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