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Wikipedia Spreads Computer Viruses
Israel News Agency ^ | November 19, 2006 | Joel Leyden

Posted on 11/19/2006 2:15:50 PM PST by IsraelBeach

Wikipedia Spreads Computer Viruses

By Joel Leyden
Israel News Agency

Jerusalem----November 19...... Wikipedia, which brands itself as "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit", now appears to be the "site that anyone can get a computer virus from."

Wikipedia, which has been condemned by almost every responsible news organization and university for its lack of credibility, recently had many of its pages hijacked and tricked Wikipedia users into downloading a virus.

Most viruses which users of Wikipedia encounter are of the emotional abuse variety, creating oceans of libel and slander. But the most recent transmission of viruses from Wikipedia were actually crashing computer systems. Many in the academic world saw this as a blessing.

A Quinnipiac professor did an experiment. He purposefully logged on and added incorrect information. Then he waited to see how long it took Wikipedia editors to correct the errors. He says it took three hours and he was reprimanded by the site’s monitors, but if you had read his entries during that three hour timeframe, you wouldn’t have known that you read falsified facts. There’s also no guarantee that all the information is void of bias and opinions.

The Israel News Agency has covered a variety of potential and actual issues with Wikipedia in the past, ranging from hoax pages to manipulation of entries for political ends. Do these problems represent exceptions or systematic flaws in the material there?

A potential indication of the quality of Wikipedia came when the respected scientific journal Nature submitted articles from both Wikipedia and the Encyclopedia Britannica to experts in the appropriate fields for evaluations. The results of the evaluation were very positive from a Wikipedia perspective: However, an expert-led investigation carried out by Nature - the first to use peer review to compare Wikipedia and Britannica's coverage of science - suggests that such high-profile examples are the exception rather than the rule. The exercise revealed numerous errors in Wikipedia.

Encyclopedia Britannica went through those evaluations and, based on their analysis, is now suggesting that such appearances are deceiving. And they make that suggestion in language that, for the generally sedate publishing world, is rather sharp: Nature's research was invalid. As we demonstrate below, almost everything about the journal's investigation, from the criteria for identifying inaccuracies to the discrepancy between the article text and its headline, was wrong and misleading. Dozens of inaccuracies attributed to the Britannica were not inaccuracies at all, and a number of the articles Nature examined were not even in the Encyclopedia Britannica.

The study was so poorly carried out and its findings so error-laden that it was completely without merit. Accusations include Nature having used articles from publications other than the encyclopedia and, in one case, material that wasn't even produced by Britannica. Nature claimed that they matched the size of entries by deleting references only, but Britannica's response indicated that many submissions were either fragmentary excerpts or subjected to extensive editing. Nature's chosen evaluators also get criticized for getting facts wrong in their evaluations, and being unable to recognize simplifications that are reasonable for a publication targeted at a general audience.

So beyond the academic nightmare for which Wikipedia poses, now Wikipedia users find that their computers are slowing down and that data on their hard drives is being erased by viruses.

The German edition of Wikipedia was used as the vehicle to convince Wikipedia users to install what they thought was a "fix" for a new variant of the Blaster worm virus, which affected over 50,000 Windows computers in the summer of 2003. The virus attackers then sent out a German-language e-mail purporting to be from Wikipedia that told users to visit the page.

Wikipedia and its active userbase then took steps to remove the hijacked pages. However, previous versions of the page could still be accessed directly before they were removed by Wikipedia administrators as well.

"Unfortunately for many Wikipedia users, the previous version of the page was still present in the Wikipedia archive and was continuing to point to malicious virus code. The hackers were thus able to send out spam pointing people to the page on Wikipedia, and try and lead them into infection," said Graham Cluley, senior technology consultant for security vendor Sophos.

Wikipedia has been often criticized for containing potentially misleading information due to its open architecture and self-policiing. Politicians have used it to edit their backgrounds and even vandalize opponents' entries. But until now, the service has never been used to in an attempt to actively spread a virus.

"Everyone should exercise caution and ensure they have appropriate defenses in place to protect their computer systems," added Cluley. "Additionally, people should remember that if there really is a new threat on the Internet, you're likely to hear about it first from the security companies, not an online encyclopedia."

Wikipedia, which brands itself as "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit", is also activity deleting several articles on its Web site which are critical of Wikipedia.

Wikipedia, which has been criticized for its lack of credibility and used as a political and commercial tool for libel and slander, enraged the global news media with its recent coverage of the death of Enron Corp. founder Kenneth L. Lay.

Reuters stated that Wikipedia's postings regarding Lay "underscored the challenges facing the online encyclopedia." The Washington Post was more blunt adding that the Lay story "further exposed the critical weakness of Wikipedia that prevents it from becoming the go-to source for Internet knowledge....unlike, say, the Encyclopedia Britannica, Wikipedia has no formal peer review for its articles. They may be written by experts or insane crazy people. Or worse, insane crazy people with an agenda. And Internet access."

"Wikipedia hosts approximately three jillion full-page articles about local high schools, complete with alma mater lyrics, and it can't make room for a critical look at its own practices?," says the Village Voice commenting on Wikipedia censorship of Wikitruth. Perversely enough, though, "notability" has indeed become a byword for Wikipedia's freelance fact police, who delete at will whatever they think might worsen the site's smoldering reputation as a trivia dump."

Even worse, the highly respected and professional watchdog site - Wikipedia Review - was deleted from the pages of Wikipedia.

But none of this surprises us at the Israel News Agency. The INA has been the subject for "Article for Deletion" three times. Twice, the Wikipedia article on the Israel News Agency was deleted by Wikipedia executive Danny Wool, and in doing so Wool and his boss Jimbo Wales broke every rule at Wikipedia.

You see, Wikipedia prides itself as being a "citizens media," or "peoples media," where the Wikipedia community of volunteer administrators, editors and users create the rules and policies. But this is only in the "spin" world of Wikipedia as Wales and Wool unilaterally delete articles giving no reason or simply stating that they are "tired" of creating a community consensus.

Now under pressure by their own Wikipedia community and editorials in both Wikitruth and Wikipedia Review, they have again uploaded the article on the Israel News Agency only to have it go through a third round of "AfD" or voting to delete or keep the article. The last two rounds of AfD on the Israel News Agency ended with a "keep" decision.

But not satisfied with the initial results to keep the INA in the pages of Wikipedia, corruption and censorship by Wales and Wool now kicks in at Wikipedia as the management begins to delete the "keep" votes.

Why does the Israel News Agency desire to have a place on Wikipedia? Simply because Wikipedia has become the number one spammer on the Internet. And the Israel News Agency, whose mission since 1995 has been to disseminate news directly from the Israel Government Press Office and features from professional journalists in Israel needs to reach a global public. Even if it means using a less than credible tool such as Wikipedia to objectivity inform the world public on current events in Israel.

But what really hurts in this scenario, is that where the INA is used to being attacked by Islam terrorists - Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah, Hezbollah, al-Qaeda and the government's of Syria and Iran, now an American Jew - Danny Wool is doing his very best to discredit the editors, journalists and reputation of the Israel News Agency.

But Wool is not alone in his attacks on the INA. He has recruited Wikipedia administrators Gili Bar-Hillel, a translator in Tel Aviv, Josh Gordon and Guy Chapman in London. Jews attacking an Israel Government Press Office accredited pro Israel news agency in order to remain in good standing with the management of Wikipedia. It reminds one of the Jewish capos in Nazi Germany.

There are many good, dedicated and wise editors at Wikipedia, but many fear being banned by Jimbo Wales and Danny Wool if they vote to "keep" an Israeli news Website or any news Website that Wales and Wool oppose.

Israel is at war with terrorism. We are bleeding from Qassam and Katusha rockets falling on us from Gaza and Lebanon, we sustain Palestinian Islamic suicide bombing attacks in our restaurants, shopping centers and on our buses. Israel bleeds from the effects of terrorism, tourism and investment are down, one out of three children live in poverty. Yet Wool, Wales, Gili Bar-Hillel, Josh Gordon and Guy Chapman shoot us from behind!

What's Col. Danny's excuse? Wool states that the INA is nothing more than a blog which is being used for a "custody battle" by this author. For Danny's information, there is no custody battle and the word blog was not invented yet back in 1995. As for Google's definition, what you are reading now has come to you from Google News - not Google blogs.

Are Wikipedia's investors and venture capital sources such as Bessemer Venture Partners, Dan Gillmor, The Omidyar Network, Pierre Omidyar, Mark Andreessen, Reid Hoffman, Joichi Ito, and Mitch Kapor aware of the rampant libel, slander and censorship taking place in Wikipedia's so-called "citizens media?"

To censor any free and democratic source of news is a violation of our basic rights to free speech in a free society. As Wikipedia is a leading source of information coming out of the US, censorship of non-inciteful accredited news media is a direct breach of public trust which only serves the egos and pride of Wikipedia founder Jimbo Wales and his assistant Danny Wool.

Censorship at Wikipedia is a highly serious and dangerous action. Furthermore, Wikipedia, which is now being blocked for use by many universities and colleges for its lack of accountability, through its lack of accountable user and administrator posts could actually be aiding terrorists to communicate with one another on the Internet through their anonymous edits.

Perhaps the worst case of Wikipedia libel, slander and censorship centered around former USA TODAY editorial page editor John Seigenthaler. Wikipedia for four months carried an article falsely linking him to the assassinations of Robert Kennedy and John F. Kennedy. But as angry as Seigenthaler was, and as untrue as the article had been, it's unlikely that he has a good court case against Wikipedia, according to legal experts interviewed by CNET News.com. Seigenthaler himself acknowledged as much in a USA Today op-ed piece.

A case in which a man was falsely linked on Wikipedia to the assassinations of Robert Kennedy and John F. Kennedy has led some to question the online encyclopedia's libel liability. Bottom line: While Wikipedia is most likely safe from legal liability for libel, the issues raised by the Seigenthaler case should be carefully considered, some legal experts say. More stories on Wikipedia thanks to section 230 of the Federal Communications Decency Act (CDA), which became law in 1996, Wikipedia is most likely safe from legal liability for libel, regardless of how long an inaccurate article stays on the site. That's because it is a service provider as opposed to a publisher such as Salon.com or CNN.com.

In his scathing, Nov. 29 opinion column in USA Today, the 78-year-old Seigenthaler wrote that in the original Wikipedia article, "one sentence was true. I was Robert Kennedy's administrative assistant." The article was written by an anonymous Wikipedia user traceable only to a BellSouth Internet account, but Seigenthaler added that the giant ISP wouldn't reveal the author's name. And despite his protestations, Seigenthaler wrote, Wikipedia's only action prior to removing the offending article on Oct. 5 was to change a misspelling on May 29, just three days after it was originally posted. "I have no idea whose sick mind conceived the false, malicious "biography" that appeared under my name for 132 days on Wikipedia, the popular, online, free encyclopedia whose authors are unknown and virtually untraceable. I phoned Jimmy Wales, Wikipedia's founder and asked, "Do you ... have any way to know who wrote that?" "No, we don't," he said. Representatives of the other two Websites said their computers are programmed to copy data verbatim from Wikipedia, never checking whether it is false or factual. Naturally, I want to unmask my "biographer." And, I am interested in letting many people know that Wikipedia is a flawed and irresponsible research tool."

"When I was a child, my mother lectured me on the evils of "gossip." She held a feather pillow and said, "If I tear this open, the feathers will fly to the four winds, and I could never get them back in the pillow. That's how it is when you spread mean things about people." For me, that pillow is a metaphor for Wikipedia."

The INA has been credited with many exclusives including Al-Qaeda : The 39 Principles of Holy War, with news reports directly from the scenes of the Passover Massacre in Netanya, Israel, the Tel Aviv terror attack on the Dolphanarium, and the 9/11 terror attack in New York. The Israel News Agency recently sponsored a global SEO contest to address the Holocaust cartoon contest which was coordinated by the Iran government. The INA has served as a news source to Google News since 2002.

The Wikipedia attacks against the Israel News Agency began shortly after the INA published Wikipedia: A Nightmare Of Libel and Slander.

What one is witnessing here is a modern day digital version of David vs. Goliath. The Israel News Agency trying to get objective news out of Israel while Wikipedia uses abusive tactics such as "out of process," personal attacks and deleting "keep" votes in the present AfD - Articles for Deletion battle.

Danny Wool not only deleted the Israel News Agency from the pages of Wikipedia after a community consensus, but also deleted the biography on Joel Leyden as well. The Israel News Agency and Joel Leyden are not too concerned about the Leyden biography. As Groucho Marx once said: "I would suspect any organization that would have me as a member."

One of the last entries in Wikipedia's action to delete the Israel News Agency from the pages of Wikipedia reads:

"MegaDelete" - The Israeli News Agency and the page for Israel should be deleted as they are the products of a terrorist group that has gained 'legitimacy' after years of terrorist attacks such as the Jerusalem train station bombing, the bombing of the King David Hotel, and the Lavon Affair in which Israelis dressed in Arab clothing attempted to frame Egyptian nationals with yet another bombing. This wasn't the first time Zionists dressed up as Arabs (see the King David Hotel bombing where they dressed up as Sudanese and Arabs) nor was it the last. Wikipedia should have no ties to terrorist groups nor should they disseminate news from them, I look upon the Israel News Agency the same way I would look at an Al-Queda or IRA news feed, not a fit subject matter for an encyclopedia. I choose to remain ANONYMOUS because Israeli Fascists have been known to attack activists who disagree with their terrorist state. --71.102.46.200 23:32, 26 May 2006 (UTC)"

Wikipedia is embracing and reinforcing Israel's enemies. They call all those who murder Israel's children "militants" not terrorists. That is dangerous. But censorship - is a far greater evil.

Wikipedia has the potential to bring unprecedented detail and accuracy to its articles, given that it can be peer reviewed by an entire world's worth of experts. But there is a gap between that potential and reality.

Wikipedia co-founder Dr. Larry Sanger recalls the night it was born. "It was the evening of January 2, 2001," he said. Sanger was in Pacific Beach at a Mexican restaurant. Over dinner with a friend, he came up with a way to make it all work. An online encyclopedia that anyone and everyone could edit. Sanger only lived in San Diego for a year, but in that short time, he revolutionized the way we gather and get information.

"If you had asked me if there would be over 5 million articles, I would've said that's pretty hard to believe," he said.

Sanger now lives near San Jose, and is working on a new project. He washed his hands of Wikipedia, and is now creating its competitor. "It's Citizendium… Citizen's Compendium," he said. Sanger calls it his solution to what's wrong with Wikipedia. "It's committed to amateurism," he said.

"People have different ideas on how articles should read, they can't arrive at a compromise and are just constantly duking it out." On Citizendium, anyone can submit or edit articles, just like you can on Wikipedia. But Citizendium will provide gentle guidance from so-called editors when needed. "I would like these articles to be high quality and approved by people who can genuinely be called experts," Sanger said. About three weeks in, Sanger says the response has been good. "We've got 300 people on the forums," he said. Citizendium will start as a mirror image of Wikipedia, then evolve into its own creation.

"Ultimately we'll not see giant encyclopedia, new reference works and knowledge content resources of a kind you've never seen before. The potential is just absolutely amazing," Sanger said. You can edit articles on Wikipedia anonymously, but to use Citizendium, you have to provide your real name.

So today one must ask themselves one question before visiting Wikipedia. What kind of virus do you wish to receive - libel, slander or ... the Blaster worm?

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: censorship; israel; viruses; wikipedia
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1 posted on 11/19/2006 2:15:54 PM PST by IsraelBeach
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To: IsraelBeach

Wiki spreads stupidity.


2 posted on 11/19/2006 2:17:29 PM PST by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: IsraelBeach
My real name .............. hmmmmm ............. thought I had one ....... once.

Does somebody want my real name?

3 posted on 11/19/2006 2:18:34 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: cripplecreek

It's still a cool site with lots of easily accesible reference info.


4 posted on 11/19/2006 2:18:59 PM PST by Borges
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To: IsraelBeach

By now, wouldn't you think most people know what Wikipedia is all about. Wikipedia is a great site for some information and sometimes you get misinformation, that is corrected when it is found out. Don't we all know that?


5 posted on 11/19/2006 2:20:22 PM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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To: cripplecreek
The New York Times and ABCNNBCBS also spread stupidity and are far less likely to be corrected than Wiki.

And unlike Wiki those institutions provide no useful information.

6 posted on 11/19/2006 2:20:52 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: AmericanMade1776

You have to be smart enough to use it, much like reading the new York Times, and all it's disinformation.


7 posted on 11/19/2006 2:21:38 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance (<h2>SAY NO TO RUDY! I know how to spell, I just type like s#it.)
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To: IsraelBeach

And in all fairness to Wikipedia, who would think that a professor of Quinnipiac would intentionally try to sabotage Wikipedia?


8 posted on 11/19/2006 2:22:56 PM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Exactly! We should all remember that everything you see in print, is not always factual, even when presented as fact.


9 posted on 11/19/2006 2:24:02 PM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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Wikkenpedia...one of the bad things about the web.


10 posted on 11/19/2006 2:25:41 PM PST by clintonh8r
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To: IsraelBeach
Sweet, I've found some good reference material there and now I guess I won't be visiting anymore.

(Unrelated) Go IDF!

11 posted on 11/19/2006 2:25:55 PM PST by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: IsraelBeach

Wikipedia does spread a bad virus; the virus of liberalism.


12 posted on 11/19/2006 2:27:56 PM PST by hawkeye101 (Liberalism IS a mental disorder. It can only be cured by large doses of common sense and the truth.)
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To: IsraelBeach
We, the great unwashed, are simply too stupid to edit and read our own encyclopedia. We need intellectual wobble heads to spoon feed us knowledge.
13 posted on 11/19/2006 2:28:13 PM PST by groanup (Limited government is the answer. Now, what's the question?)
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To: Borges
True, especially for up-to-the-second cultural crazes.

However, politicians send their minions to uncorrect information about themselves, too.

One of the Reps from MA. The guy that's going with Barney Frank to change the don't ask/don't tell policy, iirc.

14 posted on 11/19/2006 2:29:49 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: IsraelBeach

Joel Leyden is an Israel public relations pr consultant and the publisher of the Israel News Agency, Israel's first on-line news organization. He has worked as an Israel public relations PR consultant for Ehud Olmert, the prime minister of Israel, the Israel Ministry for Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Trade and Industry, the Ministry of Tourism, and the Israel Defense Forces, who awarded him a commendation for his crisis communications work during Operation Defensive Shield. Joel Leyden also served as a consultant to the government when Israel astronaut Col. http://www.leyden.net/Ilan Ramon died in the 2003 Space Shuttle Columbia disaster. Originally from New York, Leyden is a former media advisor to former New York Mayor Ed Koch, former New York Governor Mario Cuomo, Senator Edward Kennedy, and the Democratic Party. Professional background: Joel Leyden has practiced international public relations, pr, public affairs, crisis communications and journalism for 25 years, and has coordinated several media events with personalities including former President Ronald Reagan, President Bill Clinton, Israel Prime Minister Shimon Peres, Nixon advisor Henry Kissinger and Holocaust survivor Elie Weisel


15 posted on 11/19/2006 2:30:29 PM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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To: cripplecreek

"Wiki spreads stupidity."

Watch how quickly the "gullible virus" takes over this thread.


16 posted on 11/19/2006 2:30:44 PM PST by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: AmericanMade1776
And I pray to never have a bio at Wikipedia :>
17 posted on 11/19/2006 2:32:59 PM PST by IsraelBeach
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To: AmericanMade1776
From Wikipedia about joel Leyden

Joel Leyden From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for Joel Leyden in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings.

Start the Joel Leyden article or add a request for it. Search for "Joel Leyden" in existing articles. Look for "Joel Leyden" in Wiktionary, our sister dictionary project.

Look for "Joel Leyden" in the Wikimedia Commons, our repository for free images, music, sound, and video. Look for pages within Wikipedia linking to this article.

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Wikipedia is not an advertising service. Promotional articles about yourself, your friends, your company or products; or articles written as part of a marketing or promotional campaign, may be deleted in accordance with our deletion policies. For more information, see Wikipedia:Spam. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Leyden

18 posted on 11/19/2006 2:33:19 PM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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To: IsraelBeach

Are you Joel?


19 posted on 11/19/2006 2:33:54 PM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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To: IsraelBeach

University of Oklahoma doesn't allow Wikipedia to be used as a source for any paper turned into a professor at OU because the content cannot be verified.


20 posted on 11/19/2006 2:34:03 PM PST by PhiKapMom ( Go Sooners! Rudy 2008)
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To: IsraelBeach
I've heard manure is full of germs, no matter how you spread it.
21 posted on 11/19/2006 2:34:21 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: PhiKapMom

I think it is fair of the University of Oklahoma not to let Students use Wikipedia as a source, but Students can use Wikipedia which will list other outside sources to support it's information, and some of those they can use.


22 posted on 11/19/2006 2:36:20 PM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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To: AmericanMade1776
Yes - and I firmly believe in transparency and accountability.
Two elements deleted from Wikipedia.

"People have different ideas on how articles should read, they can't arrive at a compromise and are just constantly duking it out." On Citizendium, anyone can submit or edit articles, just like you can on Wikipedia. But Citizendium will provide gentle guidance from so-called editors when needed.

"I would like these articles to be high quality and approved by people who can genuinely be called experts," Sanger said. About three weeks in, Sanger says the response has been good. "We've got 300 people on the forums," he said. Citizendium will start as a mirror image of Wikipedia, then evolve into its own creation. "Ultimately we'll not see giant encyclopedia, new reference works and knowledge content resources of a kind you've never seen before. The potential is just absolutely amazing," Sanger said. You can edit articles on Wikipedia anonymously, but to use Citizendium, you have to provide your real name.

23 posted on 11/19/2006 2:38:30 PM PST by IsraelBeach
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To: AmericanMade1776

Free Republic is a moderated Internet forum and activist site for conservatives from the United States. It bills itself as "the premier on-line gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web." However, this claim is increasingly in dispute, see Criticism section.

Free Republic's mission statement is:

"Broadly stated, the goals of this site are to further conservatism, expose political corruption, and recover a truly constitutional form of government. As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and pro-America."[citation needed]




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Republic

So far , I don't have any trouble with what is listed about Free Republic.


24 posted on 11/19/2006 2:39:24 PM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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To: Borges

Yep. Moments ago, somebody in another thread mentioned tunnels under Georgia Tech, which led me to wonder if that might have been the site where the Dungeons and Dragons kid disappeared. A search led me to Wiki, which gave me the full story (it was Michigan State). Wiki is good for stupid stuff like finding out what white Kryptonite does, too. I just avoid the political stuff, which drives me crazy. But, people who like fighting with lefties can have fun trying to get their version to be the accepted version.


25 posted on 11/19/2006 2:39:31 PM PST by Rastus
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To: IsraelBeach
A Quinnipiac professor did an experiment. He purposefully logged on and added incorrect information. Then he waited to see how long it took Wikipedia editors to correct the errors. He says it took three hours and he was reprimanded by the site’s monitors, but if you had read his entries during that three hour timeframe, you wouldn’t have known that you read falsified facts. There’s also no guarantee that all the information is void of bias and opinions.


um...what exactly did he prove ? 3 hours to get a fix in ? as if he was the only one to make an entry in that time frame ?
26 posted on 11/19/2006 2:39:32 PM PST by stylin19a ("Klaatu Barada Nikto")
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To: IsraelBeach

A pleasure to meet you, you have a outstanding resume. I know I can not match your intelligence, but I sure do have opinions.


27 posted on 11/19/2006 2:41:58 PM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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To: stylin19a
In his scathing, Nov. 29 opinion column in USA Today, the 78-year-old Seigenthaler wrote that in the original Wikipedia article, "one sentence was true. I was Robert Kennedy's administrative assistant."

The article was written by an anonymous Wikipedia user traceable only to a BellSouth Internet account, but Seigenthaler added that the giant ISP wouldn't reveal the author's name.

And despite his protestations, Seigenthaler wrote, Wikipedia's only action prior to removing the offending article on Oct. 5 was to change a misspelling on May 29, just three days after it was originally posted.

"I have no idea whose sick mind conceived the false, malicious "biography" that appeared under my name for 132 days on Wikipedia, the popular, online, free encyclopedia whose authors are unknown and virtually untraceable. I phoned Jimmy Wales, Wikipedia's founder and asked, "Do you ... have any way to know who wrote that?" "No, we don't," he said. Representatives of the other two Websites said their computers are programmed to copy data verbatim from Wikipedia, never checking whether it is false or factual. Naturally, I want to unmask my "biographer." And, I am interested in letting many people know that Wikipedia is a flawed and irresponsible research tool."

"When I was a child, my mother lectured me on the evils of "gossip." She held a feather pillow and said, "If I tear this open, the feathers will fly to the four winds, and I could never get them back in the pillow. That's how it is when you spread mean things about people." For me, that pillow is a metaphor for Wikipedia."

28 posted on 11/19/2006 2:43:36 PM PST by IsraelBeach
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To: stylin19a

Why isn't the name of the Quinnipiac Professor given?


29 posted on 11/19/2006 2:43:50 PM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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To: toddlintown

There is so much in the article, that instead of picking from it, I would suggest these points. The idea of the Wiki is to create a free encyclopedia on the internet that will never be controlled from the top down by the elites. There is nothing to stop conservatives from posting so the argument it is liberal is only true to the extent that conservatives fail to act in their own best interests. Some facts sometime are wrong or slanted. The same is true more so with the controlled media.
Finally, the postings on Wikis are generally clear text, which is not the most efficent manner to move a virus or trojan. It seems the author may be suggesting the concept of a meme as if it were a virus. Or, maybe someone in Israel would prefer we don't read material from that partucular free site.
Remember, in the long term, that site will save you from spending hundreds of dollars for your kids to have an expensive set of out-of-date books.


30 posted on 11/19/2006 2:46:40 PM PST by gb63
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To: IsraelBeach

People believe what they want to believe, for the most part. Another quote, for you "A Lie can be half way around the world, before Truth can get it's pants on."


31 posted on 11/19/2006 2:46:43 PM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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To: AmericanMade1776
Yes - Free Republic ROCKS!
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32 posted on 11/19/2006 2:47:47 PM PST by IsraelBeach
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To: gb63

As I said...


33 posted on 11/19/2006 2:52:52 PM PST by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: gb63

As I said...


34 posted on 11/19/2006 2:52:55 PM PST by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: IsraelBeach

Yes, who would think that I, a wife ,mother of a graduate student, and former elementary educator would be able to have a conversation about "wikipedia" with someone who has your background.

I like Wikipedia, I think it is great that people can post information, it is freeing , just like the internet is. Flawed, but also very enlightening.


35 posted on 11/19/2006 2:52:58 PM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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To: Rastus
Yes Wikipedia is pretty good if you stay away from politics

But, people who like fighting with lefties can have fun trying to get their version to be the accepted version.

look at the entry on PETA (mega barf)

36 posted on 11/19/2006 2:55:24 PM PST by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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To: IsraelBeach

thank you - point taken. I remember that.

just goes to show the downside of a half-way decent idea.

Nobel invented dynamite with the idea it would be used for industrail\peaceful purposes.

So much for good ideas\intentions.


37 posted on 11/19/2006 2:55:50 PM PST by stylin19a ("Klaatu Barada Nikto")
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To: toddlintown

Dang it...you've got me seeing double again tonite....


38 posted on 11/19/2006 2:56:53 PM PST by gb63
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To: IsraelBeach

Here's a totally un-scientific speculation...

If you like Wiki,
You like Rudy...


39 posted on 11/19/2006 3:08:53 PM PST by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: IsraelBeach

Sounds like Joel is annoyed that everybody doesn't put his spin on things.


40 posted on 11/19/2006 3:17:41 PM PST by D.P.Roberts
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To: D.P.Roberts
Nah ... I believe in many spin free zones - i.e. Israel.

Why was this article pulled from Free Republic? Is there a Wiki adm here???

41 posted on 11/19/2006 3:27:47 PM PST by IsraelBeach
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To: AmericanMade1776
Wikipedia is a great site for some information and sometimes you get misinformation, that is corrected when it is found out.

Wouldn't it be great if the NYT could claim the same?

42 posted on 11/19/2006 3:28:38 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: IsraelBeach

I have found Wikipedia extremely useful. It has articles on just about everything, including numerous things that no one else is interested in explaining.

Obviously it has to be used with care, especially when it on political matters. But on the whole, it is easily as trustworthy as, let's say, an MSM news source. And I believe most people are familiar with its vulnerabilities.


43 posted on 11/19/2006 3:40:21 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: PhiKapMom
A lot of school don't allow Wikipedia to be used as a source and at those that don't have an official policy about it, the profs usually prohibit it.

Last semester in one of my grad classes, a student used Wikipedia as one of six sources for an answer he posted to the class message board. The prof gave him a zero even though the answers were 100% correct simply because the student had used the prohibited Wikipedia.

That said, there is a lot of useful information on the site. I often use it to find source material that I can cite in papers and such.

44 posted on 11/19/2006 3:45:17 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Just one day without polls would be nice.)
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To: COEXERJ145

When I've written papers for college, I'll include Wikipedia as a source, but I will make very sure that I have at least 3 others sources that I can cite directly.

I have come up with a better way to get it done though.

At the bottom of every Wiki page, there should be a list of sources and references with a web link.

It would be easy to just do it that way.


45 posted on 11/19/2006 3:47:48 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Fear the SWEATERVEST!!!!)
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To: Borges
It's still a cool site with lots of easily accesible reference info

I'n my experience, Wikipedia has been much more studious, fair, and balanced than the mainstream news media.

46 posted on 11/19/2006 3:47:50 PM PST by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: MikefromOhio
I wish I could use Wikipedia as a source but so far it has been prohibited by all my profs.

I actually do help maintain a couple of pages on Wikipedia, mostly ones related to "24".

47 posted on 11/19/2006 3:49:16 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Just one day without polls would be nice.)
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To: COEXERJ145

I keep getting banned from editing :)

I don't do anything overtly stupid, but I'll add a sentence here or there....just for fun :)

Not one of my professors have docked me for it yet. Generally though Wiki is more of a general source than a direct quote or citation...


48 posted on 11/19/2006 3:50:24 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Fear the SWEATERVEST!!!!)
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To: toddlintown

Rather than gullible, watch for the word credulous. One of the Science Warriors, Norman Levitt (Higher Superstition, Flight From Science and Reason, Prometheus Bedeviled) has a chapter on the failure of skepticism, credulity.

Personally, I like gullah-bull better. It has just the right hint of racism. Like 'niggardly.' The PC get whiplash reading those words.


49 posted on 11/19/2006 3:51:52 PM PST by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: MikefromOhio
I used to love to add stuff and had an account banned for doing it. Now I behave because there are a couple of pages I want to keep watch on and prevent a couple of idiots from trashing again.

My favorite thing to add was on the sinking of the "Rainbow Warrior" by the French.

"This is often regarded as the greatest French naval victory in over 200 years."

LOL!

50 posted on 11/19/2006 3:52:29 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Just one day without polls would be nice.)
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