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Pit bull owners more likely to be criminals
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Posted on 11/19/2006 11:23:41 PM PST by Omega Man II

Pit bull owners more likely to be criminals

Washington

November 17, 2006 - 12:23PM

People who own vicious dogs such as pit bulls have significantly more criminal convictions - including crimes against children - than owners of licensed, gentler dogs such as beagles, American researchers report.

A study of 355 dog owners in Ohio showed that every owner of a high-risk breed known for aggression had at least one brush with the law, from traffic citations to serious criminal convictions.

And 30 per cent of people who owned an aggressive breed of dog and who also had been cited at least once for failure to register it had at least five criminal convictions or traffic citations.

This compared to one per cent of owners of low-risk, licensed dogs such as poodles, beagles or collies, the researchers reported in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence.

"Owners of vicious dogs who have been cited for failing to register a dog (or) failing to keep a dog confined on the premises ... are more than nine times more likely to have been convicted for a crime involving children, three times more likely to have been convicted of domestic violence ... and nearly eight times more likely to be charged with drug (crimes) than owners of low-risk licensed dogs," said Jaclyn Barnes of Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Centre.

Barnes and colleagues used public records to check on the criminal pasts of dog owners.

They used agreed definitions of vicious dogs used in writing local ordinances. "A 'vicious dog" means a dog that, without provocation, has killed or caused serious injury to any person, has killed another dog, or belongs to a breed that is commonly known as a pit bull dog," they wrote in their report.

The definition excludes dogs used in law enforcement or dogs protecting an owner or property.

Aggressive breeds identified by the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and some insurance companies include pit bulls, rottweilers, akitas and chows.

The most frequent low-risk breeds seen in the study included terriers, beagles, collies and poodles.

Reuters


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
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1 posted on 11/19/2006 11:23:43 PM PST by Omega Man II
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To: Omega Man II

This makes sense to me.


2 posted on 11/19/2006 11:24:34 PM PST by Khepera (Do not remove by penalty of law!)
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To: Omega Man II

you can't really protect your stash with a yorkie, now, can you?


3 posted on 11/19/2006 11:26:54 PM PST by thefactor
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To: Omega Man II

It's just hard to get street cred with a weenie dog.


4 posted on 11/19/2006 11:28:29 PM PST by flying Elvis ("In...War, the errors which proceed from a spirit of benevolence are the worst" Clausewitz.)
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To: Omega Man II
Now owning a particular canine breed is a marker of deviant behavior.

What happened to freedom?

5 posted on 11/19/2006 11:32:19 PM PST by endthematrix ("If it's not the Crusades, it's the cartoons.")
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To: flying Elvis
It's just hard to get street cred with a weenie dog.

How long before we see cheetahs on leashes? or bear cubs?

6 posted on 11/19/2006 11:33:28 PM PST by Captainpaintball
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To: thefactor
Does the study advocate a ban on the bad dogs or the bad people?
7 posted on 11/19/2006 11:34:38 PM PST by endthematrix ("If it's not the Crusades, it's the cartoons.")
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To: Omega Man II

A foul breed owned by a lot of foul people - imagine that. Joseph Wambaugh has written a new police novel. He describes something called "pit bull polo" played in LA. It's LOL stuff if you know how many of these dogs are four-legged filth...


8 posted on 11/19/2006 11:37:52 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: Captainpaintball

Grizzly Adams had a bear...


9 posted on 11/19/2006 11:38:31 PM PST by endthematrix ("If it's not the Crusades, it's the cartoons.")
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To: endthematrix
Grizzly Adams had a bear...

And he was busted for cocaine

10 posted on 11/19/2006 11:46:04 PM PST by bad company ([link:www.truthout.org/docs_2006/083006J.shtml | The Path to 9/11])
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To: 185JHP
...and THOSE type of people that drive beat up cars with expensive rims.

...or THOSE type of people that have pro-gun bumper-stickers.

(Recognizing Signs of Extremism FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin, December, 1999 p18)

11 posted on 11/19/2006 11:47:19 PM PST by endthematrix ("If it's not the Crusades, it's the cartoons.")
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To: bad company

ROTFLMAO!


12 posted on 11/19/2006 11:47:55 PM PST by endthematrix ("If it's not the Crusades, it's the cartoons.")
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To: flying Elvis

Lol--reminds me of Norm McDonald's routine about mean streets for a wiener dog in a sweater :)


13 posted on 11/19/2006 11:50:48 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: Captainpaintball

Certain Colombiahn drug lords supposedly had attack-jaguars trained and ready. It was more of a prestige thing than anything else.


14 posted on 11/19/2006 11:51:00 PM PST by seacapn
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To: bad company
My understanding is that pit bulls are wonderful dogs if they are properly socialized, as is the case with all dogs. I think, too, that the dog on "The Little Rascals" was a pit. They are strong, and so the subhumans misbreed and mistreat them. I cringe when I read the ads for pit bulls in our local fishwrap. Funny, but I never read "a real lap dog, loves to cuddle!"
15 posted on 11/19/2006 11:51:32 PM PST by ashtanga
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To: flying Elvis

Not so; where is the Gary Larson toon:
"I just ran into a nest of weiner dogs"
be afraid, very afraid!!


16 posted on 11/19/2006 11:59:29 PM PST by Atchafalaya (When you are there thats the best)
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To: seacapn

That's a powerfull cat; go over any pitbull one time with nothing left over, burp.


17 posted on 11/20/2006 12:03:23 AM PST by Atchafalaya (When you are there thats the best)
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To: Omega Man II

Traffic violations are now criminal? Would be nice if they gave specific numbers.


18 posted on 11/20/2006 12:04:12 AM PST by TheLion
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To: Omega Man II
Pit bull owners more likely to be criminals

What about dobermans? My mom was bit by one about 12 years ago.

19 posted on 11/20/2006 12:05:13 AM PST by GOP_Raider (GO UTES!!)
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To: Omega Man II

Couldn't this study be considered "PROFILING?"


20 posted on 11/20/2006 12:05:46 AM PST by ThomasBurn
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To: endthematrix
Now owning a particular canine breed is a marker of deviant behavior.

What happened to freedom?

Freedom didn't go anywhere. The data seems to indicate that certain people tend to buy certain kinds of dogs.

21 posted on 11/20/2006 12:07:04 AM PST by Sunnyvale CA Eng.
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To: endthematrix
> Now owning a particular canine breed is a marker of deviant behavior. What happened to freedom?

Nothing at all -- you're free to get whatever kind of dog you want. A correlation statistic does not brand you as a deviant -- the person chooses the dog, not the other way around. If the dog chose their owner, then maybe you'd have a valid complaint. But they don't.

So nothing in the stat says that owning a bit bull makes you a deviant. It -does- say that if you're a criminal, you might tend to get a pit bull rather than, say, a weiner dog or a french poodle. No surprises there.

22 posted on 11/20/2006 12:12:20 AM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: ashtanga

Pit Bulls do not belong anywhere but in a Zoo with Tigers
and bears. Owners should be culpable as owning a lethal weapon if they have these dogs. You can have your freedom but responsibility
goes with it.


23 posted on 11/20/2006 12:13:18 AM PST by ChiMark
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To: Sunnyvale CA Eng.
> Freedom didn't go anywhere. The data seems to indicate that certain people tend to buy certain kinds of dogs.

Heh, seems I was channeling your thought, all the way from NY...

24 posted on 11/20/2006 12:13:31 AM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Sunnyvale CA Eng.
Freedom didn't go anywhere? How many municipalities ban property ownership based on emotion?
25 posted on 11/20/2006 12:14:31 AM PST by endthematrix ("If it's not the Crusades, it's the cartoons.")
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To: dayglored
Heh, seems I was channeling your thought, all the way from NY...

I spent 6 years in Rochester, NY (going to school) - must be something in the water or in the "Lake Effect" snow.

26 posted on 11/20/2006 12:19:57 AM PST by Sunnyvale CA Eng.
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To: endthematrix

Handmade license plates ?? yeah that could be a clue.


27 posted on 11/20/2006 12:21:42 AM PST by Rumple4
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To: dayglored

"One can argue that choosing to own a vicious dog is a marker of social deviance because a vicious dog is, by definition, a socially deviant animal," said Barbara Boat, director of The Childhood Trust at the University of Cincinnati, who worked on the study.

The researchers said their findings could be useful for social and law enforcement workers.

"We suggest, regardless of dog breed, that failure to license a dog is a potential warning sign of other deviant behavior," they wrote.


http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa003&articleID=4F97B077257BC3754BF87D1AA6965739


28 posted on 11/20/2006 12:22:14 AM PST by endthematrix ("If it's not the Crusades, it's the cartoons.")
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To: Omega Man II

"""had at least one brush with the law, from traffic citations to serious criminal convictions."""

Traffic citations?

With that broad of brush, you've pretty much got everyone covered.


29 posted on 11/20/2006 12:22:16 AM PST by dman4384
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To: endthematrix

I assume you are in the "Pit Bulls are just another dog" group? - or are you referring to something else?


30 posted on 11/20/2006 12:23:35 AM PST by Sunnyvale CA Eng.
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To: Omega Man II

I can't believe that only one percent of poodle owners have had traffic violations. I rarely see pit bulls sitting on the driver's laps.


31 posted on 11/20/2006 12:23:54 AM PST by Rumple4
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To: endthematrix

Gee! I dunno!

Are you willing to say it's "gone to tha Dogs"?


32 posted on 11/20/2006 12:24:24 AM PST by CBart95
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To: Rumple4
So could a sign stating, "Pledge no allegiance to the Federal government."

But handmade license plates are against the law. Advocation of the RKBA is not.
33 posted on 11/20/2006 12:26:09 AM PST by endthematrix ("If it's not the Crusades, it's the cartoons.")
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To: Omega Man II
Well this is just what we need.

Another bogus 'study' written with a particular agenda in mind from the beginning. Then, completely unsuprisingly, the cooked up 'data' supports the already decided upon 'conclusions'.

Equally unsuprising is the number of low IQ mouth breathing cretins who fall for this swill being passed off as 'science'.

L

34 posted on 11/20/2006 12:31:29 AM PST by Lurker (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.)
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To: GOP_Raider

Doberman's are sooo 70s. ;)


35 posted on 11/20/2006 12:38:03 AM PST by flying Elvis ("In...War, the errors which proceed from a spirit of benevolence are the worst" Clausewitz.)
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To: flying Elvis
It's just hard to get street cred with a weenie dog.

Granted, they look funny, but the Dachshund was bred to wail on badgers. The name means "badger dog." In packs, they used to hunt wild boar & wolverine!

My wife didn't know their history; she thought they were cute little lap dogs until one afternoon a rabbit snuck under our fence. What it was like: imagine a skinny black shark going after a manatee. Imagine me dragging my hysterical wife inside (Intervene? I like the whole 5 finger design).

I've lost the link, but Dashchund owners are 80% more likely to be geniuses.

36 posted on 11/20/2006 12:42:21 AM PST by Petronius (Isolationism has never been tried!)
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To: Omega Man II

You'd never see this article if not for the fact that nine out of ten pit bulls vote CONSERVATIVE!!!!


37 posted on 11/20/2006 12:43:55 AM PST by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: Rumple4
Well, there was at least one criminal poodle owner:


38 posted on 11/20/2006 12:45:28 AM PST by flying Elvis ("In...War, the errors which proceed from a spirit of benevolence are the worst" Clausewitz.)
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To: Petronius
http://www.almosthomerescue.org/about_dach/history
39 posted on 11/20/2006 12:51:03 AM PST by mastercylinder (Evolution: Taking care of those too stupid to take care of themselves.)
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To: beaversmom

Dachshund vs Pit Bull on Youtube. Cute!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXQsHHzlmHY


Dachshund Jailbreak!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c93SEnVv7DM


40 posted on 11/20/2006 1:07:12 AM PST by flying Elvis ("In...War, the errors which proceed from a spirit of benevolence are the worst" Clausewitz.)
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To: Petronius

I once shared a home with a doxie. He was a big luv bug until a rodent appeared anywhere on his radar, then he was all business. I have heard stories of them tearing through walls to get to a rodent. I plan to get another doxie once I get a house with durable pee-proof flooring. They are funny, yet willful little dogs.


41 posted on 11/20/2006 1:12:59 AM PST by flying Elvis ("In...War, the errors which proceed from a spirit of benevolence are the worst" Clausewitz.)
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To: endthematrix
>> One can argue that choosing to own a vicious dog is a marker of social deviance ...

"One can argue" a lot of things. One could argue that because I wear my hair long and play in a part-time rock band, I must be a leftist, drug-taking hippie. But I'm not, and I don't consider that someone who falsely makes that inference is interfering with my freedom. Only if they try to throw me in jail for it, or tax me for it, etc. are they affecting me in any way.

I think you're taking this all too personally. Nobody is coming after your dog. At least not today.

42 posted on 11/20/2006 1:23:38 AM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: flying Elvis

LOL!!


43 posted on 11/20/2006 1:33:58 AM PST by GOP_Raider (GO UTES!!)
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To: dayglored
"Nobody is coming after your dog."

You have no idea what you are talking about. There are dog ban breeds across this country and in Europe.

STATES WITH DANGEROUS DOG LAWS:

California Maryland Oklahoma Colorado Massachusetts Pennsylvania Delaware Michigan Rhode Island District of Columbia Minnesota South Carolina Florida Nebraska South Dakota Georgia Nevada Texas Hawaii New Hampshire Vermont Illinois New Jersey Virginia* Kentucky New York Washington Louisiana North Carolina West Virginia Maine Ohio

Your state?

(NEW YORK Binghamton (restricts ROTTWEILERS), Hudson, Jamestown, Larchmont, Maybrook, Mount Vernon, New Rochelle, Newburgh, N. Hempstead, Sand Point, Village of Haverstraw, Village of Hemstead, Yonkers )

44 posted on 11/20/2006 1:42:32 AM PST by endthematrix ("If it's not the Crusades, it's the cartoons.")
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To: Omega Man II

What does that say about me owning a 3 pound Yorkie??


45 posted on 11/20/2006 2:20:51 AM PST by tkathy (The choice is clear: White hat people or white flag people.)
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To: endthematrix

"What happened to freedom?"

I don't think the study mentioned 'freedom' at all, did it? Whose freedom is jeopardized?


46 posted on 11/20/2006 2:45:13 AM PST by lawdude (The dems see Wal-Mart as a bigger threat to the US than muslim terrorists)
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To: ashtanga

My son brought home one of these at about 6 weeks of age, the smaller kind. I would have never ever chosen this dog. Sometimes he jumps on my husband's lap, it is too funny. He sleeps with me, and yes, right next to me, sometimes with his head on my legs. He is the most cuddly dog i have ever seen.


47 posted on 11/20/2006 3:37:33 AM PST by libbylu
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To: ashtanga

I agree proper socialization is key, that goes with any dog really. I have seen pits with their tails wagging and when I pet them they are all kisses. However, just 2 weeks ago I was talking to a man who was still healing from a pitbull attack. He had 300 stitches over one side of his body. His forearms were so tore up, it was unbelievable. It was his nextdoor neighbors dog, which he had known since puppyhood, never a problem. He was knelt behind her car, helping her change over her license plate when the dog got loose and attacked. No provocation whatsoever. She was helpless to stop the dog, as it went into a blind fight mode. He was thankful that when the dog freaked, it freaked on him and not any of the neighborhood children. The dog is now dead.


48 posted on 11/20/2006 3:50:15 AM PST by panthermom
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To: Lurker

Wonder how many tax $$$ went to fund this "study"?


49 posted on 11/20/2006 3:58:22 AM PST by kalee (II have taken the pledge... I will no longer read homeschooling or breastfeeding threads on FR.)
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To: endthematrix
What happened to freedom?

?

Its an observation. The bent of the article is that owners are more likely to be criminals. Better phrasing would be that criminals are more likely to be owners.

50 posted on 11/20/2006 4:18:33 AM PST by SampleMan (Do not dispute the peacefulness of Islam, so as not to send Muslims into violent outrage.)
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