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The Real Reason Rangel Is Proposing A Draft [To Help The Hate America Left Led Protests]
11/20/06 | Doctor Raoul

Posted on 11/20/2006 6:45:10 AM PST by Doctor Raoul

The Hate America Marxist Left leading the "anti-war movement" realizes that the reason they can not get the large marches seen in the 60s is due to the lack of a draft. As soon as the draft was no longer a threat, the large marches of the 60s stoppped.

Charlie Rangel works with those leaders.

Two and a half years ago, Charlie Rangel helped the MFSO and Code Pink Death March protest from Dover AFB to Walter Reed Army Hospital to the White House. Charlie spoke outside the gates of Dover AFB. A march that saw no American flags outside Walter Reed Army Hospital, while supposedly patriotic military families placed black funeral wreaths on the fences and in front of the Walter Reed sign.

Early 2005, the anti-war movement realized it was not resonating with the general public and held a meeting to define strategy (see The nation March 2005, "The New face of protest").

A draft is the "Holy Grail" that the Hate America Marxist Left sees as the key to having the movement "rise up" instead of "dry up" as it did with their desperate attempt at revival on Veterans Day in Philadelphia.


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1 posted on 11/20/2006 6:45:11 AM PST by Doctor Raoul
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To: Doctor Raoul

The Nation, March 2005, "The New Face of Protest"


2 posted on 11/20/2006 6:46:56 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (Difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic is that the Free Clinic knows how to stop a leak.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

This could really backfire on the Left. Keep it up Charlie, I don't think this is gonna play well in Harlem.


3 posted on 11/20/2006 6:47:44 AM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: Doctor Raoul

When is America going to wake up to the people who are trying to destroy America?


4 posted on 11/20/2006 6:48:22 AM PST by bmwcyle (The snake is loose in the garden and Eve just bit the apple.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

Rangel epitomizes too dumb to know how dumb he looks. I would guess most people see him as just another used up old fart with nothing else to do but sit in congress until he dies.


5 posted on 11/20/2006 6:48:44 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: Doctor Raoul

Bump!


6 posted on 11/20/2006 6:50:00 AM PST by W04Man (Bush2004 Grassroots Campaign We Did It! NOW.... PLEASE CONTINUE ON TO VICTORY!)
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To: Doctor Raoul
NY media went on the street to talk to Harlem residents. LOL......one guy wanted to know if Charlie was on pot.

There was universal scorn for his suggestion.

He will not vote for this if it ever came to a vote.....again.

7 posted on 11/20/2006 6:50:00 AM PST by OldFriend (FALLEN HERO JEFFREY TOCZYLOWSKI, REST IN PEACE)
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To: Doctor Raoul



http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2407


Democrat Plan Summarized in One Word: Draft
by Scott Ott

(2006-11-20) — Rep. Charles Rangel, D-NY, yesterday unveiled the Democrat plan for boosting the minimum wage, providing free healthcare to millions more Americans, increasing college attendance, reducing greenhouse gas emissions and preventing future U.S. wars of aggression.

“Our plan is so simple and elegant that it can be stated in one word — draft,” said Rep. Rangel. “By implementing a military draft, we’ll provide a living wage and free healthcare to our new involuntary soldiers and their families, plus we’ll give them college money after their term of service.”

The New York Democrat, who has proposed a draft several times before, said taking many of the 18-to-26 year-olds off the nation’s highways will decrease the number of automobile fatalities and drastically reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

The most crucial element of the Draft America Plan, he said, is creation of a huge military force comprised of less-motivated troops in case the president must decide whether to go to war with North Korea or Iran, or to expand the global war on terror in other lands.

“Right now, it’s the skill and passion of our all-volunteer force that gives George Bush the arrogance to challenge our enemies on their soil,” Rep. Rangel said. “With a military full of reluctant conscripts, Bush won’t be so cocky. We’ll be safer because, as we all know, when American troops stay home fewer terrorists are created.”


8 posted on 11/20/2006 6:50:26 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: Doctor Raoul

I read elsewhere that Rangels proposal will include "alternative service" provisions with the same educational etc benefits as military service........this is only a disguised gift to democrat voters-to-be.............somewhere else there will be created numerous groups of little lefty gestapo groups to further the lefty agenda dressed up as "alternative service"


9 posted on 11/20/2006 6:50:33 AM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Dark Skies
Charlie is the sacrificial lamb. He is going to retire and he does not give a crap. He will profit from his handlers when he comes home to NYC for instating the draft.
10 posted on 11/20/2006 6:50:46 AM PST by bmwcyle (The snake is loose in the garden and Eve just bit the apple.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

personally, I think Rangel is badly miscalculating this. I know he is doing this purely for politics with no intention of this really becoming law.

2 points:

1. Contrary to his claims that it would make the use of military force less likely, it would have the effect of making a the use of force more likely without concern of being over stretched.

2. A large segment of the US population would be in fvaor of mandatory military service for all young adults, not just male.


11 posted on 11/20/2006 6:51:08 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: OldFriend; Doctor Raoul

If memory serves, Rangel voted against his own draft bill on '04


12 posted on 11/20/2006 6:51:22 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Suddenly, there'll be LOTS of GOOD NEWS coming out of Iraq from CNN (PUKE!))
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To: RandallFlagg

Mr. Rangel is a high-operating idiot. No, that gives a bad name to all idiots.

OK, how about this: He's a putz.


13 posted on 11/20/2006 6:53:05 AM PST by RexBeach
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To: RexBeach

He's a putz and a schmuck. Do you think he will actually vote for it this time around?


14 posted on 11/20/2006 6:54:07 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: Doctor Raoul
....rangel's search for relevancy
15 posted on 11/20/2006 6:54:12 AM PST by Doogle (USAF 68-73...."never store a threat you should have eliminated")
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To: Doctor Raoul

I agree. This has never been anything but a political football to him to get the protests started up.


16 posted on 11/20/2006 6:55:20 AM PST by JamesP81 (Rights must be enforced; rights that you're not allowed to enforce are rights that you don't have.)
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To: RandallFlagg

He did. It is sad when you vote against your own bill to distance yourself from the stupidity of the author of the bill.


17 posted on 11/20/2006 6:55:51 AM PST by YdontUleaveLibs (Reason is out to lunch. How may I help you?)
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To: Doctor Raoul

If we had a draft without the loopholes of the last one, it wouldn't just be the children of the Left protesting.


18 posted on 11/20/2006 6:56:34 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Long Island Pete

No idea, Pete. Mr. Rangel is not one of the trustworthy types. He may be raising this question just to step into the political limelight.

One thing I do know, however: Military commanders do not want troops in their outfits who do not want to be there.


19 posted on 11/20/2006 6:57:40 AM PST by RexBeach
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To: Doctor Raoul

I think what he's really hoping is that he can stir up fear. Also, he's hoping that Bush will take the bait and start clamoring for a draft. That's his fondest fantasy.


20 posted on 11/20/2006 6:57:57 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68
The Waffen SS were military formations that belonged not to the German Army, but to the Nazii Party. Things like Infantry and Tank Divisions. As if the 82 ABN was a Democrat club or a Republican club.

I had not thought of that. As Democrats (e.g., Palm Beach County's Democrat DA) do not distinguish between the using the powers of their elected office for the duties of the office versus the welfare of the party, you're right. Be very afraid.

21 posted on 11/20/2006 6:58:36 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (Difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic is that the Free Clinic knows how to stop a leak.)
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To: RexBeach

In my opinion, this is part of self agrandizing bid to keep his constituents on the plantation. Historically, military service was the best way for blacks to get ahead. It was the first integrated institution and a powerful agent for understanding. However, stats show that this talk about equity has caused blacks not to join. They lose and the overseers like Rangel cling to power in their apartheid world euphemistically called the black community.


22 posted on 11/20/2006 6:59:46 AM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: RexBeach

I feel the draft would be a good thing for one reason only. It just might instill some respect, honor personal responsibilty into an already spoiled generation.


23 posted on 11/20/2006 7:00:53 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: Dark Skies

Harlem will vote for the democrat period.

It is all about skin color for democrats. Democrats would pass the draft and then blam the "white man".


24 posted on 11/20/2006 7:01:25 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: YdontUleaveLibs
It is sad when you vote against your own bill to distance yourself from the stupidity of the author of the bill.

He must spend 3/4 of his day running around in circles.
25 posted on 11/20/2006 7:02:32 AM PST by kenth (There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count, and those who can't.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

There, obviously, are not going to be enough votes in the House or the Senate to move this onto to the President's desk where everyone knows it would receive a swift veto. This is only being pursued in an attempt to stir up accrimonious debate that might serve as a catalystic boost to the wacko anti-war pro-radical-islam (and therefore pro-war against us) left. Wrangel is a sorry excuse of an American and has never said an intelligent thing in his entire political life.


26 posted on 11/20/2006 7:05:25 AM PST by downtownconservative
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To: Doctor Raoul

Charlie Rangel = The south-bound end of a north-bound horse.


27 posted on 11/20/2006 7:05:33 AM PST by Hegemony Cricket (I'm Hegemony Cricket, and I improvised this message.)
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To: downtownconservative

If Republicans play this right (yeah, I know, first time for everything) they could kill the Democrats in 2008 wiith this. Suburban moms DO NOT want a draft. They have been moving towards the Democrats in droves and this is what is killing the GOP in recent elections. Republicans can get them back if we can convince them that Democrats want to draft their sons.


28 posted on 11/20/2006 7:10:36 AM PST by Dems_R_Losers (The people have spoken.......the housecleaning starts NOW!!)
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To: downtownconservative
There, obviously, are not going to be enough votes in the House or the Senate to move this onto to the President's desk where everyone knows it would receive a swift veto.

Exactly. Charlie just wants a vehicle for his class and race warfare.

The people who know say the volunteer military is working out better. The vast majority of people in Congress care about the quality of the military. They will heed the experience of our military experts, not the rhetoric of people like Rangel.

29 posted on 11/20/2006 7:12:29 AM PST by freespirited (The MSM is the root of all evil.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

a. it will never even come to a vote

b. it is just more political posturing

c. even if a & b were dead wrong, it would be vetoed


30 posted on 11/20/2006 7:13:36 AM PST by WhiteGuy (GO BUCKS)
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To: Doctor Raoul

The notion that Democrats support a draft is laughable. If a draft were instituted, they would be the first ones protesting. Many Democrats are anti-military and anti-service.


31 posted on 11/20/2006 7:14:06 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Dems_R_Losers

You're absolutely right. But I think you can expect the Dems to reign in Charlie. His tactic is such a bomb. If they don't, they will pay dearly.


32 posted on 11/20/2006 7:16:28 AM PST by downtownconservative
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To: Doctor Raoul
Rangel is doing it for Kerry!
That way Kerry gets to use his lame speech about "If you don't get good marks you end up in Iraq" again.
Only this time he may be correct.
Wow! Never saw a racist black man fall on his sword for an elitist white man before.
Whoops! The Dems will cut and run so that doesn't work either!
33 posted on 11/20/2006 7:18:20 AM PST by WildBill2275 (The Second Amendment guarantees all of your other rights.)
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To: Doctor Raoul
You are entirely correct and it should be obvious.

Anyone who falls for the Rangel nonsense is either a) part of the Death to America crowd or b) insufferably stupid.
34 posted on 11/20/2006 7:27:19 AM PST by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: Dems_R_Losers
At least he is being honest and claiming it this time. Last time he tried to blame the draft idea on Bush...of course, right before the 2004 election so he could scare all of the people who were of draft age or had kids of draft age...and the MSM was all too happy to be complicit in that lie.

The Draft Myth


35 posted on 11/20/2006 7:49:34 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: Doctor Raoul

Rangel is a black man who is advocating a form of slavery for a certain age group of men.


36 posted on 11/20/2006 8:08:54 AM PST by mjp
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To: Doctor Raoul

100% correct, Doctor.


37 posted on 11/20/2006 8:11:16 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Brilliant
Also, he's hoping that Bush will take the bait and start clamoring for a draft.

That's not going to happen. Even with Rummy gone, no one in his top-level military advisors wants a draft.

38 posted on 11/20/2006 8:13:29 AM PST by kevkrom (John F'n Kerry's 'apology': "I'm sorry you were too stupid to realize I wasn't calling you stupid.")
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To: All
This is why we are out at Walter Reed and Olney every week. To those Freepers who still don't get the point and criticize our effort, you can continue to stick your head in the sand. The commies want to take more control in this country. So just sit at home. You won't be able to see it on your TVs until the MSM is ready to show you.
39 posted on 11/20/2006 8:22:53 AM PST by bmwcyle (The snake is loose in the garden and Eve just bit the apple.)
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To: Dark Skies

The draft has never worked really well in meeting the manpower needs of this nation. But it looks like somebody is "doing something".

If patriotism is not enough appeal for young men to rush to the defense of their country, then perhaps the country does not DESERVE to be defended.

There are those who are working very hard to make this nation look like just the kind of country nobody would want to defend. The "blame America first" crowd has been working on that aspect for some time now. After all, as they claim, America is just a cesspool of racism, a swarming mass of hedonists that have only their own satiation as their objective, raping the resources of the world, paying no heed to the future of coming generations, and grossly wasteful and extravagant in all facets of life.

And they have opened a second front on this degradation of the US by not enforcing the control of entry into this country, and effective control of foreign elements that are already here.

Then, when anyone tries to take effective steps to stem this erosion of will and resources, great derision is heaped upon the reformer, and the howling of the masses is taken to an even more extreme level. After a certain point, the conscientious citizens just go home and go into bunker mode. Not because they want to, but they are simply outnumbered. They will return when the storm has abated, and the fools have been destroyed in an orgy of mutual mayhem.

Rome failed because they had lost the sense of being the pre-eminent power in the world. The United States is in very nearly the same situation today.


40 posted on 11/20/2006 8:23:12 AM PST by alloysteel (Facts do not cease to exist, just because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley)
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To: Doogle
....rangel's search for relevancy

...ongoing, never to be attained...

CA....

41 posted on 11/20/2006 8:35:09 AM PST by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've once again found that silly grin!)
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To: Doctor Raoul
Rangel was very clear about his reason for wanting the draft. It wasn't to increase the size of the military to protect the country rather it was that if we had a draft the public pressure would have prevented our going into Iraq (he wasn't clear if it was just the second time or if it in his opinion would have prevented Bush 41 from protecting Kuwait).

The military doesn't want draftees. It takes too long to train a soldier and they have to be motivated as they are in an all volunteer force or they were in WWI and WWII. All you get with a draft is a broken military and cannon fodder.

I wonder if Charlie's plan is going to have lots of exceptions to keep his children and his supporters children from becoming cannon fodder. By the time the Democrats get done with it of course it would exclude their kids.

Also are women going to be drafted? Can't discriminate on the base of sex. If we're going to draft cannon fodder than it should be equal opportunity cannon fodder.
42 posted on 11/20/2006 8:36:17 AM PST by airedale ( XZ)
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To: alloysteel
If patriotism is not enough appeal for young men to rush to the defense of their country, then perhaps the country does not DESERVE to be defended.

It is very, very hard to get the American people motivated to fight a war. We are slow to move on such things, and we've always been this way throughout our entire history from day one. However, once the move is made, we become an unstoppable force. Now, maybe it says something bad about us, but the bottom line is that America as a whole does not believe that 9/11 was sufficient provocation for all out total war. If the terrorists keep screwing around, they will cause that to come to pass, but they haven't yet. And when that day comes, there might be a draft as there was in WW2, but it's not like we'll need it; Americans who believe in it as a worthy cause will fight for it. But, we haven't got to that point yet.

The bad thing about this collective personality trait is that we usually wait until things have pretty well dropped into the crapper before we do anything about it. The good thing about this trait is once the ball is rolling, we won't stop until we've either won or been utterly destroyed.
43 posted on 11/20/2006 8:39:52 AM PST by JamesP81 (Rights must be enforced; rights that you're not allowed to enforce are rights that you don't have.)
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To: bmwcyle


wakeup to the people and the party is what you mean...
2008 will determine where the country goes..forward
or in a sewer...morality of the young and their future
is, and will be, in disarray as the constant drip, drip
of liberalism is made more and more apparent..Jake


44 posted on 11/20/2006 8:40:24 AM PST by sanjacjake
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To: ravingnutter

bookmarked


45 posted on 11/20/2006 8:43:03 AM PST by Risha (Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God)
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To: Dark Skies
This could really backfire on the Left. Keep it up Charlie, I don't think this is gonna play well in Harlem.

Exactly. If he pulled this off, the Democrats could watch their majority vanish in the next election, and it would be decades before they regained their relevance.
46 posted on 11/20/2006 8:43:50 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Doctor Raoul

"It's a fitting symbol of what Democrat rule in Congress will be the next two years: A worthless, cynical expenditure of time and energy that accomplishes absolutely nothing." A quote from Michelle Malkin's blog today. Well said.


47 posted on 11/20/2006 9:16:36 AM PST by downtownconservative
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To: RandallFlagg

Yes he did...


48 posted on 11/20/2006 10:22:21 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (Difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic is that the Free Clinic knows how to stop a leak.)
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To: popdonnelly
It's not whether they really support a draft, they are tying to instill fear of a draft into the public (un)consciousness, hoping to fillout the ranks of the anti-war protests.
49 posted on 11/20/2006 10:26:34 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (Difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic is that the Free Clinic knows how to stop a leak.)
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To: airedale
Also are women going to be drafted?

Yes. Last court decision said "no" becuase women were not allowed in most Military Occupation Specialties (MOS) (a/k/a job title), so essentially the Army would have no place to use women. They failed to meet a need.

Now that the feminazis have successfully fought for opening 80% of MOS specialities to women, they can be inserted into 90% of the available positions (a/k/a job openings).

Private Benjamin will go to war this time.

50 posted on 11/20/2006 10:32:22 AM PST by Doctor Raoul (Difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic is that the Free Clinic knows how to stop a leak.)
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