Skip to comments.Election 2008: 43% Would Never Vote for Mormon Candidate (Rasmussen Poll)
Posted on 11/20/2006 8:24:45 AM PST by areafiftyone
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"For me (and I'm a Catholic) religion is NOT an issue."
Well, that's because you have to put up with all these protestants that are going to Hell, anyway.
Exactly right. The "sound" of a candidate's name is not a reason to vote or not vote. Illinois residents should have learned that lesson about twenty years ago; some candidates for state races had ethnic-sounding names (Polish, Italian) and others had "American" sounding names. People voted for the "American" sounding names, and elected a bunch of LaRouche supporters, who had run "American" names for exactly that reason.
When my son was six he asked to be "babbitized". Does that count?
Yes, The truth of the matter is that protestants consider us (mormons) to be 'sheep stealers', by converting them away from deception and error (in our view obviously) ... and we're VERY good at it..... so good in fact, that entire cottage industries have sprung up dedicated to stopping us. Many of the posters here are obviously enthusiastic consumers of those industries products.
My own planet? Well, as long as it's not Uranus. I'd get tired of the kidding real fast.
I'd vote for a Mormon before I'd vote for a satanic liberal any day.
"When my son was six he asked to be "babbitized". Does that count?"
As a bris, perhaps.
They would if it was between a Mormon and the devil incarnate.
I don't however, give a real flip about someone's belief as the worst two presidents in my life time were supposedly pious Southern Baptists--Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.
Religion is an issue - sort of. I wouldn't vote for an Atheist. My personal opinion is that, in affairs of State and War, Divine Favor is not merely desirable, but absolutely necessary...
Nor would I vote for Muslim, Buddhist, Shintoist, Hindu, Taoist, Wiccan or Animist; but I think their political goals would alienate me long before we got to religion...
"The Mormon faith began because every Christian faith was corrupt and not true according to Smith."
Actually, the fact that Smith became disillusioned with Christianity at the time, is not when it began.
It began, when he decided to write the book of Mormon.
I wonder how many of these nitwits thought they were being asked a question about morons
True.....but will enough feel the same way?
Ah, cool a mormon I can ask questions of.
I am Jewish by birth and a kohain. I am constantly pestered by mormons re: this. What is the deal?
(I don't ask the pesterers, as the fact that people show up at my door knowing my geneology creeped the Hell out of me. I turn on the sprinklers when I see them coming.)
Okay, if Mormons can call themselves "Christians," then historic Christians can call themselves "Mormons" (and the Mormons will be fine with that).
No wonder so many buy into the false stereotype that evangelicals are idiots.
How exactly does having a Mormon as President hurt this country? Let's see, no record of jihad against the US or those not in their religion, in fact they are very patriotic. Values? Very conservative, live a lifestyle very similar to the most conservative of evangelicals, pro-life, pro-family, etc. Strongly vote conservative and GOP. Utah seems to be a pretty well-run and pleasant place to live compared to most states. So, most Mormons vote and believe the same as evangelicals on virtually every political issue, yet you want to shun them to an inferior class that can never be leaders?
How exactly does a different interpretation on religious doctrinal issues like the Trinity matter in any political issue a President would deal with?
OBTW, if you want to slap down and trash Mormons with your political caste system so much that many of them stay home, you've just handed several swing states like Arizona and Nevada to the Democrats. Brilliant political strategy.
Can you not see how this reactionary religious bigotry feeds the fears that non-evangelicals have about evangelicals moving (whether by design or not) towards a theocracy? If this shameful situation of evangelicals not voting for a Mormon takes traction as a story, it will just further marginalize social conservatives and increase the likelihood that they have no say in political power in the next election.
Why spit on those who agree with us on political issues more than any other group?
Ah, good pt
Are you consistent here? Muslims are perhaps more anti-abortion than many Evangelicals. Does your "spitting" comment apply to them?
lol. . .and 'easy for me to say'; for sure. . .
We Mormons hold Jews in great esteme....we consider them 'cousins' of a sort. You will find no greater pro-semites in America.
We strive to love all men....but some make it tougher to do.
Mitt Romney: Vegetarian in Chief
by Gary Glenn, Chairman
Campaign for Michigan Families
The Washington, D.C. conservative weekly Human Events last year listed Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in its Top Ten list of RINOs (Republicans in Name Only), ranking him at number 8 in the nation with the following entry:
"Has said, 'I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country.' Supports (homosexual) civil unions and stringent gun laws. After visiting Houston, he criticized the city's aesthetics, saying, 'This is what happens when you don't have zoning.'"
Romney should have ranked even higher on the list of RINOs. He famously likes to tell conservative audiences in Iowa and South Carolina that being a conservative Republican in Massachusetts is like being a cattle rancher at a vegetarian convention.
I attended last fall's GOP conference in Michigan, where Romney continued his masquerade as a "conservative," even daring to tell the assembled activists: "I am pro-life" -- knowing full well that he does not mean by that term what those listening would think he meant.
Romney's ten-year political career has occurred from his late 40s to his late 50s, yet he asks pro-family conservatives to naively believe that he's just now figuring out his core beliefs.
During that decade, he has insistently supported legal abortion-on-demand. In a televised 1994 campaign debate, Romney said: "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time when my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years that we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice. ...Since that time, my mother and my family have been committed to the belief that we can believe as we want, but we will not force our beliefs on others on that matter, and you will not see my wavering on that."
His 2002 gubernatorial campaign web site stated: "As Governor, Mitt Romney would protect the current pro-choice status quo in Massachusetts. No law would change. The choice to have an abortion is a deeply personal one. Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not the government's."
Romney's response to the National Abortion Rights Action League's 2002 candidate survery: ''I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose. This choice is a deeply personal one. Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not mine and not the government's. The truth is, no candidate in the governor's race in either party would deny women abortion rights." (Notably, Romney refused to answer Massachusetts Citizens for Life's candidate questionnaire.)
Not surprisingly, Romney's clearly stated support for Roe and "a woman's right to choose" -- i.e., abortion on demand -- earned him the endorsement of the pro-abortion Republican Majority for Choice PAC.
He was also endorsed, twice, by the homosexual "Log Cabin Republicans," the same group that in 2004 spent $1 million attacking President Bush for his support of a Marriage Protection Amendment.
Romney believes the Boy Scouts should allow openly homosexual Scoutmasters: "I feel that all people should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation."
He endorses Ted Kennedy's federal "gay rights" legislation. He endorses taxpayer-financed same-sex benefits for the homosexual partners of state employees, and even attacked some Democratic legislators for not supporting such government benefits.
According to the Associated Press, he has appointed at least two openly homosexual lawyers to state judgeships, one a board member of the Lesbian & Gay Bar Association. Imagine how that will fly in Republican presidential primaries in the South, the prospect of a president with a record of appointing homosexual activists to the bench. (See copy of gubernatorial news release below.)
In 2002, before the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court legalized so-called homosexual "marriage," Romney denounced a preemptive state Marriage Protection Amendment prohibiting homosexual "marriage," civil unions, or same-sex public employee benefits as "too extreme," even after being advised by the media that his own wife and son had just signed a petition to place it on the ballot.
Now, as he postures to run for president, Romney travels to Iowa and Michigan and South Carolina to claim he's "pro-life" and brag about fighting homosexual "marriage," saying that at age 59, his position on such issues has "evolved."
(No flip-flop so far, however, on his stated support for homosexual Scoutmasters, forcing taxpayers to fund spousal benefits for the "partners" of state employees involved in homosexual relationships, or Kennedy's federal "gay rights" legislation.)
Regardless, most pro-family voters don't believe in the theory of evolution -- including as it applies to politicians, and especially when the alleged "evolution" seems so conveniently timed to produce political benefit.
Gov. Romney can tell all the cattle-rancher-at-a-vegetarian-convention jokes he wants about Massachusetts. But they're going to fall flat when social conservatives learn -- and they will -- that his long-term record on abortion and elements of homosexual activists' political agenda has been that of Vegetarian in Chief.
This is the rub. Lots of people associate Mormons with polygamists, whether or not the connection is justified. If Romney is the candidate, expect a DBM anal exam of Mormonism which will include incessant mentions of polygamy.
The Commonwealth of Massachusetts
State House Boston, MA 02133
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
May 4, 2005 CONTACT:
ROMNEY NAMES STEPHEN ABANY TO WRENTHAM DISTRICT COURT
Governor Mitt Romney today nominated Stephen S. Abany of Boston for the position of Associate Justice of the Wrentham District Court.
Since 1979, Abany has worked as the Assistant Clerk-Magistrate of the Quincy District Court. Previously, he served as an Assistant District Attorney for the Suffolk County District Attorneys Office and a Law Clerk to The Honorable George N. Covett of the Brockton District Court.
Abany is a member of numerous legal organizations, including the Massachusetts Bar Association, the Norfolk County Bar Association, and has SERNVED ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE MASSACHUSETTS LESBIAN AND GAY BAR ASSOCIATION.
Abany earned his bachelors degree from Boston College in 1971, his masters degree from University of Massachusetts in 1974 and his law degree from Suffolk University Law School in 1978.
Knowing what I know of mormons, it would be only a slight step up from voting for an islamic. Sorry all, but they're both weird cults. Only one islam is more insanely violent. So between them, I'd go mormon. But there has to be a better choice.
To be honest I don't know that much about Mormons.
Well, certainly, if the mormon god is a different God than what true Christians worship...and the LDS church mag, Ensign magazine, has already gone on record saying that LDS worship a different God than Christians...then certainly every time a Mormon president prays, he would be praying to a different god than many of our past presidents. So I think at least it's a fair question to ask if we want our national security in the hands of someone who calls upon a distinct god.
Certainly God is not a playdough or Gumby that can be twisted to any version of divinity you so please. And some point, the twisting becomes so severe that the original shape is unrecognizable.
None of us has a perfect 100% understanding of who God is; but His revelation is plain enough to comprehend the key elements: "He who has seen me has seen the Father" (JC). d
Stick that that. islamics are 'conservative' a lot, the same as other ones. It's all the methods that matter. And don't forget all the alien world stuff and 'you are god' near scientlogy aspects of mormonism.
By their works shall ye know them.
Do you see the same similarities in Joseph Smith as I do in Mohammad. Both claim personal visitation by angels who dictated the "complete" truth to them...both had multiple wives, some under the age of 15. Both believed in afterlives and history not supported by either Scripture or science...and, ironically, both Islam and LDS sects split into factions after succession questions of whom was given the authority to succeed Smith and Mohammad. And while they both claim to be tolerant of other "people of the book" these religions are very dictatorial in that they do not allow return after excommunication for being involved with other religions nor do they allow even "free agency" questioning and followers who do are severely punished--just ask Salamin Rushdie and Fawn Brodie
Well, Jesus was like you and me, but pure. If we are as pure as him, we'll rule over other worlds. We can become gods. That's mormonism, in a simplistic sense. Jesus=pure=god=pure us=gods of other worlds.
sarcasm tagged added for those who had their 'facetious gene' surgically removed.
If mormons stick to only the family values stuff, it's good. Just don't look behind the veil. Believe me, you don't want to look back there or actually read their scriptures.
Keyes cites Romney as sole author of Massachusetts gay marriage policy
Said Keyes, "Mitt Romney, who's now running around the country telling people he's an opponent of same-sex marriage, forced the justices of the peace and others [in the state system] to perform same-sex marriage--all on his own with no authorization or requirement from the court."
Noting that the court's "decision did not make any change in the law," Keyes inquired of his audience: "Since [the court's] decision didn't make any change in the existing law of the state of Massachusetts, and since the legislature has not acted on the subject, you might be wondering how it is that homosexuals are being married in Massachusetts."
Keyes answered his own question:
"[This] tells you how twisted our politicians have become. On the first day [after the court's deadline for the legislature to act, Romney] forces homosexual marriage through in the state of Massachusetts without any warrant or requirement from the court. And the day after that, he goes to a conference sponsored by Focus on the Family to announce what a strong supporter he is of traditional marriage. Ah! God help us, please."
He's already going to be a God of his own planets for eternity, why bother with becoming president.
That's just selfish.
It went further than that. Joseph Smith's first version included the "revelation" of the restoration...which was based upon the spiritual entity that appeared to Joseph telling thim that every creed of Christendom was an "abomination." (The "corrupt" reference was to the "professors" of Christ...especially indicting all Christian leaders).
So, an LDS person who holds to all aspects of the original vision for the LDS church (does this include Romney?...don't know it would be good for him to answer this) would hold that all of Christendom's creeds are an abomination before God and that its leadership is corrupt.
Sorry, too late.
Excellent point. Many of those who claim that religion doesn't matter would hesitate voting for a Satanist, I would think. All seem to draw the line somewhere.
See, this is why I like FR
In order to get that joke, you not only had to know the "Babbit" reference, but what a "bris" was.
Guiliani and McCain can't win because the base knows they are Rino's. Gingrich is yesterdays damaged goods. George 'macaca' Allen was just toasted by Webb. And Romney is (gasp) a Mormon with no chance of carrying his state - Massachusetts.
It's time for us to rally behind...
So what? Why should it affect your belief one way or another if someone of a different denomination/religion/belief system thinks or says you are going to hell?
If someone is a devout believer in their denomination/religion/belief and their sacred text says that those outside will go to hell, I sure hope they believe their sacred text. What's the big deal of someone actually believing the teachings of their faith in regards to persons being saved or condemned? It doesn't change who I am or what I believe. Just another form of PC that we are way too uptight about.
If I am going to share my faith (which is that the only way to heaven is through God and Jesus) how can I be upset (other than sad) if someone expresses a different belief? Matters of faith are for each person to decide and accept or reject, you can't force (because that isn't true acceptance.) If they don't accept your evangelizing you may shake the dust from your sandals, but we still are commanded to treat everyone with dignity and respect. I have no problem with someone of another religion believing that I may be going to hell since I am Christian, as long as that doesn't cross over from belief into pushing for political action or worse in regards to religious interpretations. The latter happens in some radical Muslim dominated countries, but is nonexistent in places like Utah. Somewhat bizarre that I would even have to point this out.
"43% Would Never Vote for Mormon Candidate"
Wow. I find that absolutely astonishing.
If Mr. Romney were a conservative, I wouldn't hesitate to vote for him.
Well, I know that "Babbitt" is a Sinclair Lewis novel from the 1920s. Did you mean "Bobbitt", as in the man whose wife cut off his 'best friend'?
To get jokes on FR, you not only have to get the references, but also compensate for what people say as opposed to what they mean. :)
"There must be some reason that the lamestream media is worried about the sheeple not endorsing one of their hand-picked candidates (McClain or Guilani) or they wouldn't even be bringing up this s*** now"
Bingo!!!! The '08 mud is starting to get thrown early. Next they'll try to paint Mormons/and by association Romney as religeous kooks - "out of the mainstream".
Why do you give in to the "left's" persective that every vote based upon worldview selection is one of surface "bigotry"?
So, what you're not voting for a Satanist would be an act of "bigotry?" (Give me a break)
We all have an identity. It cannot be cut loose from our deepest commitments, faith-based or otherwise. The fact that you would think a liberal/secularist not voting for an evangelical is an automatic act of "bigotry"--or that an evangelical not voting for a Satanist is an automatic act of "bigotry" shows that you've been listening to the liberal rhetoric too long.
(It's a quote of a little kid mis-speaking in the original post; so you have to give some leeway.)
Yes, it's wonderful isn't it? Welcome to the 16th century Amerika.
A burka or a baptism? You're choice.
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