Skip to comments.Election 2008: 43% Would Never Vote for Mormon Candidate (Rasmussen Poll)
Posted on 11/20/2006 8:24:45 AM PST by areafiftyone
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OK, when was the last time you saw members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints shouting "JOSEPH SMITH AKHBAR!" and detonating a bomb vest?
Or, for that matter, a Scientologist shouting "L. RON HUBBARD AKHBAR!" and flying an airplane into a building?
I'm the sort who judges people by their conduct, not by what building they worship in.
The Shiite Muslim might be a problem, but you'd have to define "devout," because if you think FR is a fractious flame-flinging lot over who is and isn't a RINO, Islam is getting that way over who is and isn't a MINO, and those disputes tend to get lethal.
We are electing him to be President, not to be our kids' Sunday school teacher.
He will appeal to the Reagan Democrats, women and Catholics (who remember JFK's fight for acceptance).
...yes, in answer to your question, George Romney's religion was an issue,back in the day, more so even then now...I believe an attractive enough candidate can completely negate the faith issue (can we say JFK?)...and I love the concept of 'First Ladies", lol...
Lots of famous Mormon Politicians....including women....
here's the list
They had a really peculiar way of enforcing it...
Article VI, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution:
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.
"Besides, he is cute."
There are actually some posters here who think women shouldn't vote. This comment certainly gives ammunition to their side.
A Mormon is not like electing the first Catholic.
The hurdle is much higher.
Many evangelicals will be put off by him.
Do you mean that good Mormons don't get their own universe or planet to rule after they die?
Or do you mean that Mormons are Trinitarians?
Or do you mean that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit weren't once human beings like us?
They do not have baptism of the dead. They don't baptise dead people. They practice "Proxy Ritual" where you are go through a baptism ritual in place of someone who is dead.
Baptism of the dead was practiced in the early infancy of the church in some places. It is mentioned by Paul.
I knew that this would be the case, I said so when people on FreeRepublic were suggesting an Obama/Romney match up. I said that Obama would win because he's not out of the closet as far as being a Muslim is concerned, and Mitch Romney is very open about his religious affiliation. So, the country would elect a Muslim over a Mormon.
From an American Motors history website: http://www.amxfiles.com/amc/romney.html
"A lifelong member and former bishop of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Mr. Romney spent two years as a Mormon missionary in England and Scotland during the 1920s. Friends said there was an evangelical strain about many of his undertakings later in life as well."
I knew that about him but, as I said, I don't remembering his religion being an issue back then.
So I guess these evangelicals wouldn't vote for a Jew, either?
I could care less what religion he chooses, so long as he's a good man. Refusing to vote for a good, decent man solely because of his faith is as shortsighted as it is bigoted.
And before you start giving me the hooey about that referring only to the different Christian denominations, you should go back and read the actual debates about the clause. The founders were quite clear that even 'Mohametans' and 'Gintoos' were eligible for public office.
So you expect us to read your PR department's version of what Mormons believe?
Forgot her (Waldholz). Wasn't a scandal the reason for her exit?
Okay. . .perhaps they would rather vote for Barack Obama. . .
From George W. Romney's 1995 obituary:
"A lifelong member and former bishop of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Mr. Romney spent two years as a Mormon missionary in England and Scotland during the 1920s."
You're missing the point --- the fact of the theological dispute is real --- I have no interest in the merits of the same, any more than I want to figure out how many angels dance on the head of a pin.
Groups as widespread as the Methodists and the Roman Catholics don't consider Mormons Christians.
This belief --- for right or wrong --- will be a real detriment in any election.
I do not consider the teachings of the LDS to be Christian teachings. Not wanting to get into specifics on this thread, I just don't. I am a Pentecostal and very evangelical in my beliefs and style.
That being said, I do not care that Romney is or is not a Mormon any more than I would have cared that Kennedy was a Catholic or Jefferson was a Deist. If I vote for Mitt or not will have nothing to do with him being a Mormon.
Of course, a lot of people in 1980 were saying that the Christian base would not vote for Reagan because he had been divorced (I believe that Reagan was the only President we have had that had been divorced). We all know how much that prediction held true.
Could you please give me a list of his liberal record, things he has actually done as governor that are liberal? I'd really like to know.
And it's idiotic if it hands the country over to the Democrats, who are militantly anti-religious unless that religion is Wahhabist Islam...
"We are electing him to be President, not to be our kids' Sunday school teacher."
While you can seperate Church and State, most cannot.
Hence why Bill Clinton lugs out his unread photo-opportunity Bible at all solemn events.
I have a feeling..someone will come out of the pack...
later, rather than sooner....Sanford, Gov. S. Carolina,
may be possible...none excite the party at this stage
of the game...need positive candidate..there is enough
negativity on the other side..we should let them
destroy each other...stay abve the fray..Jake
Even liberal Christian churches don't consider them Christians.
Running a Mormon would cost us 2008.
Again, I like Romney.
But, I would have difficulty voting for him simply because of his religion. I ultimately WOULD do so because it would be the best thing to do, and I would base my decision on his political beliefs.
But, many evangelicals would not do such.
Wrong on all three....i gave you the scriptual reference....try reading the source material for a change.
Cute. They did no want it to be something the govt. enforced.
It was something the voters should consider, not something mandated by the govt.
Hatch is a Mormon.
Ted Kennedy is a Catholic. His beliefs are strange. I think Kerry claimed to be one, too.
Lieberman is Jewish. Shumer "the putze" is Jewish.
The Clinton's are....whatever black church they're in at any given moment.
"Their name is, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.""
Again, I am not stating the merits of the dispute. Merely the fact of the dispute.
And this shows why women shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Their dedication is to the church. You leave the church and see what happens. A true Christian is simply a Christian. His denomination is irrelevant. A Baptist can worship in a Presbyterian church and a Presbyterian can worship in a Baptist church. I can go to a Catholic church and worship there even though I am Protestant.
A Christian is part of the catholic church of Jesus Christ. There is no one true denomination. A Mormon who accepts Christ as his Lord and Savior is a Christian. A Mormon who feels the Mormon church is the only true church is not a Christian because his allegiance is to the earthly church, not Christ.
I believe that the Nicene Creed sets down the basics for what a Christian believes. The early Church established that to fight heresy and I believe that if you agree with every statement of that Creed and do not believe anything that contradicts that Creed, you have Christian beliefs.
Since that is my belief on what constitutes Christian belief, I believe therefore that LDS teaching is not Christian teaching.
< snicker >
No Mormon considers other Christians real Christians.
They would say you are going to hell.
Homo "rights" are unBiblical, but you don't see the some churches too concerned about it these days. Their followers STILL think their way is the only way into heaven.
"And it's idiotic if it hands the country over to the Democrats, who are militantly anti-religious unless that religion is Wahhabist Islam..."
So you shoot the messenger?
Perhaps a more constructive solution would be to find a Republican candidate who could get elected.
Haley Barbour comes to mind.
He will appeal to the Reagan Democrats, women and Catholics (who remember JFK's fight for acceptance).
Yes, he certainly will.
When are they going to do the following polls:
1. Would you vote for a black candidate like Barack Obama?
2. Would you vote for a candidate who has a Muslim-sounding name like Barack Hussein Obama?
3. Would you vote for a ( fill in the blank ) candidate like Hillary Clinton?
43% ?? Is that because they are all liberals...43% of the population votes rat every election.
I have my doubts that the "700 Club" bloc (as opposed to the general evangelical block) is as significant to Republicans as you say. I know lots of evangelicals, but not many watch the 700 Club regularly.
You need to read the debates on the First Amendment.
They made it clear only a national religion was prohibited.
You need to read the founders. They said it was the best thing for voters to prefer Christians as rulers...not to put that in law, but for the voters to decide.
I predict Arnold will be the GOP candidate in 2008 or 2012 -- one way or another and I know what it would take for him to qualify.
Forgot to finish my point...Most evangelicals are more flexible tham the Pat Robertsons of the world.
Oh c'mon. That's just plain silly. A Scientologist would use an alien space ship. Sheesh.
And many evangelicals support him already. See evangelicalsformitt.com
Here's hoping most evangelicals will be more "put off" with the thought of Hillary as president.