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Election 2008: 43% Would Never Vote for Mormon Candidate (Rasmussen Poll)
Yahoooo via Rasmussen ^ | 11/20/06

Posted on 11/20/2006 8:24:45 AM PST by areafiftyone

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To: msnimje
I wouldn't have much of a problem with multiple wives ... as long as they were of legal age when they first got married and he is able to support his family.


Truth is, most voters do not really take religion into account when they vote. I would have a problem with a Muslim candidate because I have actually studied the Quran and know just how dangerous that book really is.
51 posted on 11/20/2006 8:48:26 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: MeanWestTexan

OK, when was the last time you saw members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints shouting "JOSEPH SMITH AKHBAR!" and detonating a bomb vest?

Or, for that matter, a Scientologist shouting "L. RON HUBBARD AKHBAR!" and flying an airplane into a building?

I'm the sort who judges people by their conduct, not by what building they worship in.

The Shiite Muslim might be a problem, but you'd have to define "devout," because if you think FR is a fractious flame-flinging lot over who is and isn't a RINO, Islam is getting that way over who is and isn't a MINO, and those disputes tend to get lethal.


52 posted on 11/20/2006 8:48:43 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (I dare call it treason.)
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To: rwfromkansas
Evangelical won't vote for him. Why? Mormons don't accept the trinity, they have errant views on the nature of God etc. He is a great guy, but to run him would give Hillary victory.

We are electing him to be President, not to be our kids' Sunday school teacher.

He will appeal to the Reagan Democrats, women and Catholics (who remember JFK's fight for acceptance).

53 posted on 11/20/2006 8:48:50 AM PST by redgirlinabluestate
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican

...yes, in answer to your question, George Romney's religion was an issue,back in the day, more so even then now...I believe an attractive enough candidate can completely negate the faith issue (can we say JFK?)...and I love the concept of 'First Ladies", lol...


54 posted on 11/20/2006 8:49:16 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: areafiftyone

Lots of famous Mormon Politicians....including women....
here's the list

http://www.morgannews.us/pol.html


55 posted on 11/20/2006 8:50:33 AM PST by baal2006
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To: rwfromkansas
According to our founding fathers, they wanted us to elect Christian rulers.

They had a really peculiar way of enforcing it...

Article VI, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

56 posted on 11/20/2006 8:50:45 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (I dare call it treason.)
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To: libbylu

"Besides, he is cute."

There are actually some posters here who think women shouldn't vote. This comment certainly gives ammunition to their side.


57 posted on 11/20/2006 8:51:14 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: redgirlinabluestate

A Mormon is not like electing the first Catholic.

The hurdle is much higher.

Many evangelicals will be put off by him.


58 posted on 11/20/2006 8:51:17 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: baal2006
WRONG....YOU look it up.

Do you mean that good Mormons don't get their own universe or planet to rule after they die?

Or do you mean that Mormons are Trinitarians?

Or do you mean that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit weren't once human beings like us?

59 posted on 11/20/2006 8:51:37 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: MeanWestTexan
Because certain evangelical groups do not consider Mormons Christians.

Their name is, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints."

Some of their beliefs and practices are odd and baffling to us non-mormons but they are practicing their interpretation of Christianity.

I do not know about other parts of the country but we have two interesting sects of Christianity here in the South. One is the "snake handlers" and the other is the "Foot washing Baptists."
They practice their Christianity in a weird way but they are clearly devout.

Lots of Mormons (most?) have the same dedication to Jesus Christ.
60 posted on 11/20/2006 8:51:38 AM PST by msnimje (You simply cannot be Christian and Pro-Abortion.)
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To: rwfromkansas

They do not have baptism of the dead. They don't baptise dead people. They practice "Proxy Ritual" where you are go through a baptism ritual in place of someone who is dead.

Baptism of the dead was practiced in the early infancy of the church in some places. It is mentioned by Paul.


61 posted on 11/20/2006 8:52:03 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: areafiftyone

I knew that this would be the case, I said so when people on FreeRepublic were suggesting an Obama/Romney match up. I said that Obama would win because he's not out of the closet as far as being a Muslim is concerned, and Mitch Romney is very open about his religious affiliation. So, the country would elect a Muslim over a Mormon.


62 posted on 11/20/2006 8:52:12 AM PST by Eva
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To: Dane

From an American Motors history website: http://www.amxfiles.com/amc/romney.html

"A lifelong member and former bishop of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Mr. Romney spent two years as a Mormon missionary in England and Scotland during the 1920s. Friends said there was an evangelical strain about many of his undertakings later in life as well."

I knew that about him but, as I said, I don't remembering his religion being an issue back then.



63 posted on 11/20/2006 8:52:17 AM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (We'll be back.)
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To: rwfromkansas; msnimje
Evangelical won't vote for him.

Why? Mormons don't accept the trinity, they have errant views on the nature of God etc.

So I guess these evangelicals wouldn't vote for a Jew, either?

I could care less what religion he chooses, so long as he's a good man. Refusing to vote for a good, decent man solely because of his faith is as shortsighted as it is bigoted.

64 posted on 11/20/2006 8:53:05 AM PST by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: rwfromkansas
Apparently, you missed the 'no religious test' clause in the Constitution.

And before you start giving me the hooey about that referring only to the different Christian denominations, you should go back and read the actual debates about the clause. The founders were quite clear that even 'Mohametans' and 'Gintoos' were eligible for public office.

65 posted on 11/20/2006 8:53:08 AM PST by lugsoul (Livin' in fear is just another way of dying before your time. - Mike Cooley)
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To: baal2006

So you expect us to read your PR department's version of what Mormons believe?


66 posted on 11/20/2006 8:53:19 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: HostileTerritory

Forgot her (Waldholz). Wasn't a scandal the reason for her exit?


67 posted on 11/20/2006 8:53:30 AM PST by TruthWillWin
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To: areafiftyone

Okay. . .perhaps they would rather vote for Barack Obama. . .


68 posted on 11/20/2006 8:53:40 AM PST by cricket (Live Liberal free. . .or suffer their consequences. . .SAVE THE TERRORISTS! JOIN THE DEMOCRATS. . .)
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To: Dane

From George W. Romney's 1995 obituary:

"A lifelong member and former bishop of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Mr. Romney spent two years as a Mormon missionary in England and Scotland during the 1920s."


69 posted on 11/20/2006 8:54:52 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

You're missing the point --- the fact of the theological dispute is real --- I have no interest in the merits of the same, any more than I want to figure out how many angels dance on the head of a pin.

Groups as widespread as the Methodists and the Roman Catholics don't consider Mormons Christians.

This belief --- for right or wrong --- will be a real detriment in any election.

Period.


70 posted on 11/20/2006 8:55:11 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: msnimje; MeanWestTexan

I do not consider the teachings of the LDS to be Christian teachings. Not wanting to get into specifics on this thread, I just don't. I am a Pentecostal and very evangelical in my beliefs and style.

That being said, I do not care that Romney is or is not a Mormon any more than I would have cared that Kennedy was a Catholic or Jefferson was a Deist. If I vote for Mitt or not will have nothing to do with him being a Mormon.

Of course, a lot of people in 1980 were saying that the Christian base would not vote for Reagan because he had been divorced (I believe that Reagan was the only President we have had that had been divorced). We all know how much that prediction held true.


71 posted on 11/20/2006 8:55:48 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: EternalVigilance

Could you please give me a list of his liberal record, things he has actually done as governor that are liberal? I'd really like to know.


72 posted on 11/20/2006 8:56:34 AM PST by libbylu (" a clearer voice of conservatism and I think Mitt Romney has an opportunity to fill that" Newt G)
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To: rwfromkansas
The Mormon church was created because they said the rest of the Christian world wasn't really Christian. We are satanists and going to hell in Mormon eyes.

Why should we consider them Christian?


That is the most un-Christian thing I have heard or read today.

Do you believe Catholics are going to hell as well?

Are you a member of some Christian "membership committee" which gets to determine who is and is not the "right kind" of Christian?
73 posted on 11/20/2006 8:56:52 AM PST by msnimje (You simply cannot be Christian and Pro-Abortion.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

And it's idiotic if it hands the country over to the Democrats, who are militantly anti-religious unless that religion is Wahhabist Islam...


74 posted on 11/20/2006 8:56:59 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (I dare call it treason.)
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To: redgirlinabluestate

"We are electing him to be President, not to be our kids' Sunday school teacher."

While you can seperate Church and State, most cannot.

Hence why Bill Clinton lugs out his unread photo-opportunity Bible at all solemn events.


75 posted on 11/20/2006 8:57:02 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: padre35

I have a feeling..someone will come out of the pack...
later, rather than sooner....Sanford, Gov. S. Carolina,
may be possible...none excite the party at this stage
of the game...need positive candidate..there is enough
negativity on the other side..we should let them
destroy each other...stay abve the fray..Jake


76 posted on 11/20/2006 8:57:18 AM PST by sanjacjake
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To: MeanWestTexan

Even liberal Christian churches don't consider them Christians.

Running a Mormon would cost us 2008.

Again, I like Romney.

But, I would have difficulty voting for him simply because of his religion. I ultimately WOULD do so because it would be the best thing to do, and I would base my decision on his political beliefs.

But, many evangelicals would not do such.


77 posted on 11/20/2006 8:57:44 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: Aquinasfan

Wrong on all three....i gave you the scriptual reference....try reading the source material for a change.


78 posted on 11/20/2006 8:58:11 AM PST by baal2006
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Cute. They did no want it to be something the govt. enforced.

It was something the voters should consider, not something mandated by the govt.


79 posted on 11/20/2006 8:58:51 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: Aquinasfan
Well, it is possible that a Mormon could be a better president than a Methodist or a Catholic. But I'd have a hard time trusting one. Their beliefs are so darn strange.

Hatch is a Mormon.
Ted Kennedy is a Catholic. His beliefs are strange. I think Kerry claimed to be one, too.
Lieberman is Jewish. Shumer "the putze" is Jewish.
The Clinton's are....whatever black church they're in at any given moment.

80 posted on 11/20/2006 8:59:09 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: msnimje

"Their name is, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.""

Again, I am not stating the merits of the dispute. Merely the fact of the dispute.


81 posted on 11/20/2006 8:59:19 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: neverdem; Howlin; areafiftyone
I don't know of ANY conservative who is so blatantly INTOLERANT.

Most, if not ALL, conservative/evangelical PEOPLE - not unknown polled unknowns! - greatly admire the (practicing) Mormons we know, and admire their sacrifices and their lifestyles.

Don't agree with them, but admire them.

This is BS, unless of course, if the pollsters/democrats/MSM are trying to abort his campaign ow.

After all, they want to abort everything else.
82 posted on 11/20/2006 8:59:43 AM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: libbylu

And this shows why women shouldn't be allowed to vote.


83 posted on 11/20/2006 8:59:50 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: msnimje
Lots of Mormons (most?) have the same dedication to Jesus Christ

Their dedication is to the church. You leave the church and see what happens. A true Christian is simply a Christian. His denomination is irrelevant. A Baptist can worship in a Presbyterian church and a Presbyterian can worship in a Baptist church. I can go to a Catholic church and worship there even though I am Protestant.

A Christian is part of the catholic church of Jesus Christ. There is no one true denomination. A Mormon who accepts Christ as his Lord and Savior is a Christian. A Mormon who feels the Mormon church is the only true church is not a Christian because his allegiance is to the earthly church, not Christ.

84 posted on 11/20/2006 9:00:19 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: msnimje
Are you a member of some Christian "membership committee" which gets to determine who is and is not the "right kind" of Christian?

I believe that the Nicene Creed sets down the basics for what a Christian believes. The early Church established that to fight heresy and I believe that if you agree with every statement of that Creed and do not believe anything that contradicts that Creed, you have Christian beliefs.

Since that is my belief on what constitutes Christian belief, I believe therefore that LDS teaching is not Christian teaching.

85 posted on 11/20/2006 9:01:04 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Our man in washington

< snicker >


86 posted on 11/20/2006 9:01:14 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Re:Terrorists: Realize that it has nothing to do with what we have done but with what they want.)
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To: highball
Refusing to vote for a good, decent man solely because of his faith is as shortsighted as it is bigoted.

Especially when it delivers to the White House a person openly HOSTILE to you and your religion.
87 posted on 11/20/2006 9:01:22 AM PST by msnimje (You simply cannot be Christian and Pro-Abortion.)
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To: msnimje

No Mormon considers other Christians real Christians.

They would say you are going to hell.


88 posted on 11/20/2006 9:01:23 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: rwfromkansas
They even have baptism for the dead, completely unbiblical.

Homo "rights" are unBiblical, but you don't see the some churches too concerned about it these days. Their followers STILL think their way is the only way into heaven.

89 posted on 11/20/2006 9:01:42 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

"And it's idiotic if it hands the country over to the Democrats, who are militantly anti-religious unless that religion is Wahhabist Islam..."

So you shoot the messenger?

Perhaps a more constructive solution would be to find a Republican candidate who could get elected.

Haley Barbour comes to mind.


90 posted on 11/20/2006 9:01:50 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: redgirlinabluestate



He will appeal to the Reagan Democrats, women and Catholics (who remember JFK's fight for acceptance).

Yes, he certainly will.


91 posted on 11/20/2006 9:02:00 AM PST by libbylu (" a clearer voice of conservatism and I think Mitt Romney has an opportunity to fill that" Newt G)
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To: sanjacjake
Sanford's problem is he proposed a VAT tax while in congress, it is a sound idea, but difficult to convey on a 30 second commercial so the Dhims will say

"Sanford supports a 25% tax on baby food"

Absolute garbage of an ad, but it is what it is.
92 posted on 11/20/2006 9:02:14 AM PST by padre35 (We are surrounded, that simplifies our problem Chesty Puller)
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To: areafiftyone

When are they going to do the following polls:

1. Would you vote for a black candidate like Barack Obama?

2. Would you vote for a candidate who has a Muslim-sounding name like Barack Hussein Obama?

3. Would you vote for a ( fill in the blank ) candidate like Hillary Clinton?


93 posted on 11/20/2006 9:02:50 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: areafiftyone

43% ?? Is that because they are all liberals...43% of the population votes rat every election.


94 posted on 11/20/2006 9:03:22 AM PST by Mogollon
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To: MeanWestTexan

I have my doubts that the "700 Club" bloc (as opposed to the general evangelical block) is as significant to Republicans as you say. I know lots of evangelicals, but not many watch the 700 Club regularly.


95 posted on 11/20/2006 9:03:25 AM PST by dinoparty
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To: lugsoul

You need to read the debates on the First Amendment.

They made it clear only a national religion was prohibited.

You need to read the founders. They said it was the best thing for voters to prefer Christians as rulers...not to put that in law, but for the voters to decide.


96 posted on 11/20/2006 9:03:31 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: libbylu

I predict Arnold will be the GOP candidate in 2008 or 2012 -- one way or another and I know what it would take for him to qualify.


97 posted on 11/20/2006 9:04:07 AM PST by varina davis
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To: dinoparty

Forgot to finish my point...Most evangelicals are more flexible tham the Pat Robertsons of the world.


98 posted on 11/20/2006 9:04:22 AM PST by dinoparty
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Or, for that matter, a Scientologist shouting "L. RON HUBBARD AKHBAR!" and flying an airplane into a building?

Oh c'mon. That's just plain silly. A Scientologist would use an alien space ship. Sheesh.

99 posted on 11/20/2006 9:04:27 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: rwfromkansas
Many evangelicals will be put off by him.

And many evangelicals support him already. See evangelicalsformitt.com

Here's hoping most evangelicals will be more "put off" with the thought of Hillary as president.

100 posted on 11/20/2006 9:04:40 AM PST by redgirlinabluestate
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