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Remarks of James Webb at the Confederate Memorial
James Webb Website ^ | 6/3/90 | James Webb

Posted on 11/21/2006 1:14:33 AM PST by BnBlFlag

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Remarks of James Webb at the Confederate Memorial June 3, 1990

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This is by no means my first visit to this spot.

The Confederate Memorial has had a special place in my life for many years. During the bitter turbulence of the early and mid1970's I used to come here quite often. I had recently left the Marine Corps and was struggling to come to grips with my service in Vietnam, and with the misperceptions that seemed rampant about the people with whom I had served and what, exactly we had attempted to accomplish. And there were many, many times that I found myself drawn to this deeply inspiring memorial, to contemplate the sacrifices of others, several of whom were my ancestors, whose enormous suffering and collective gallantry are to this day still misunderstood by most Americans.

I used to walk the perimeter of this monument, itself designed by a man who had fought for the Confederacy and who, despite international fame as a sculptor, decided to be buried beneath it, and I would comprehend that worldwide praise can never substitute for loyalties learned and tested under the tribulations of the battlefield. I would study the inscription: NOT FOR FAME OR REWARD, NOT FOR PLACE OR FOR RANK, NOT LURED BY AMBITION OR GOADED BY NECESSITY, BUT IN SIMPLE OBEDIENCE TO DUTY AS THEY UNDERSTOOD IT, THESE MEN SUFFERED ALL, SACRIFICED ALL, DARED ALL, AND DIED -- words written by a Confederate veteran who had later become a minister, and knew that this simple sentence spoke for all soldiers in all wars, men who must always trust their lives to the judgment of their leaders, and whose bond thus goes to individuals rather than to stark ideology, and who, at the end of the day that is their lives, desire more than anything to sleep with the satisfaction that when all the rhetoric was stripped away, they had fulfilled their duty -- as they understood it. To their community. To their nation. To their individual consciences. To their family. And to their progeny, who in the end must not only judge their acts, but be judged as their inheritors.

And so I am here, with you today, to remember. And to honor an army that rose like a sudden wind out of the little towns and scattered farms of a yet unconquered wilderness. That drew 750,000 soldiers from a population base of only five million-less than the current population of Virginia alone. That fought with squirrel rifles and cold steel against a much larger and more modern force. That saw 60 percent of its soldiers become casualties, some 256,000 of them dead. That gave every ounce of courage and loyalty to a leadership it trusted and respected, and then laid down its arms in an instant when that leadership decided that enough was enough. That returned to a devastated land and a military occupation. That endured the bitter humiliation of Reconstruction and an economic alienation from the rest of this nation which continued for fully a century, affecting white and black alike.

I am not here to apologize f or why they fought, although modern historians might contemplate that there truly were different perceptions in the North and South about those reasons, and that most Southern soldiers viewed the driving issue to be sovereignty rather than slavery. In 1860 fewer than five percent of the people in the South owned slaves, and fewer than twenty percent were involved with slavery in any capacity. Love of the Union was palpably stronger in the South than in the North before the war -- just as overt patriotism is today -- but it was tempered by a strong belief that state sovereignty existed prior to the Constitution, and that it had never been surrendered. Nor had Abraham Lincoln ended slavery in Kentucky and Missouri when those border states did not secede. Perhaps all of us might reread the writings of Alexander Stephens, a brilliant attorney who opposed secession but then became Vice President of the Confederacy, making a convincing legal argument that the constitutional compact was terminable. And who wryly commented at the outset of the war that "the North today presents the spectacle of a free people having gone to war to make freemen of slaves, while all they have as yet attained is to make slaves of themselves."

Four years and six hundred thousand dead men later the twin issues of sovereignty and slavery were resolved. A hundred years after that, the bitterness had vented itself to the point that we can fairly say the emotional scars have healed. We are a stronger, more diverse, and genuinely free nation. We are also a different people. As we gather here to commemorate the most turbulent crisis our country has ever undergone, it's interesting to note that a majority of those now in this country are descended from immigrants who arrived after the war was fought.

And so those of us who carry in our veins the living legacy of those times have also inherited a special burden. These men, like all soldiers, made painful choices and often paid for their loyalty with their lives. It is up to us to ensure that this ever-changing nation remembers the complexity of the issues they faced, and the incredible conditions under which they performed their duty, as they understood it.

I'm pleased that many friends and members of my own family are here with me today, including my wife, whose family was in Eastern Europe during the War between the States but who herself served in Vietnam and whose father fought on Iwo Jima. And I would also like to say a special thanks to my good friend Nelson Jones for sharing this day with us. Nelson is a fellow Marine, a fellow alumnus of both the Naval Academy and the Georgetown Law Center, and like so many others here a child of the South. The last twenty five years in this country have shown again and again that, despite the regrettable and well-publicized turmoil of the Civil Rights years, those Americans of African ancestry are the people with whom our history in this country most closely intertwines, whose struggles in an odd but compelling way most resemble our own, and whose rights as full citizens we above all should celebrate and insist upon.

But more than anything else, I am compelled today to remember a number of ancestors who lie in graves far away from Arlington. Two died fighting for the Confederacy -- one in Virginia and the other in a prisoner camp in Illinois, after having been captured in Tennessee. Another served three years in the Virginia cavalry and survived, naming the next child to spring from his loins Robert E. Lee Webb, a name that my grandfather also held and which has passed along in bits and pieces through many others, such as my cousin, Roger Lee Webb, present today, and my son, James Robert, also present. And another, who fought for the Arkansas infantry and then the Tennessee Cavalry under Nathan Bedford Forrest. And, to be fully ecumenical, another, who had moved from Tennessee to Kentucky in the 1850's, and who fought well and hard as an infantry Sergeant in the Union army.

We often are inclined to speak in grand terms of the human cost of war, but seldom do we take the time to view it in an understandable microcosm. Today I would like to offer one: The "Davis Rifles" of the 37th Regiment, Virginia infantry, who served under Stonewall Jackson. one of my ancestors, William John Jewell, served in this regiment, which was drawn from Scott, Lee, Russell and Washington counties in the southwest corner of the state. The mountaineers were not slaveholders. Many of them were not even property owners. Few of them had a desire to leave the Union. But when Virginia seceded, the mountaineers followed Robert E. Lee into the Confederate Army.

1,490 men volunteered to join the 37th regiment. By the end of the war, 39 were left. Company D, which was drawn from Scott county, began with 112 men. The records of eight of these cannot be found. 5 others deserted over the years, taking the oath of allegiance to the Union. 2 were transferred to other units. of the 97 remaining men, 29 were killed, 48 were wounded, 11 were discharged due to disease, and 31 were captured by the enemy on the battlefield, becoming prisoners of war. If you add those numbers up they come to more than 97, because many of those taken prisoner were already wounded, and a few were wounded more than once, including William Jewell, who was wounded at Cedar Mountain on August 9, 1862, wounded again at Sharpsburg (Antietam) on September 17, 1862, and finally killed in action at Chancellorsville on May 3, 1863.

The end result of all this was that, of the 39 men who stood in the ranks of the 37th Regiment when General Lee surrendered at Appomattox, none belonged to Company D, which had no soldiers left.

The Davis Rifles were not unique in this fate. Such tragedies were played out across the landscape of the South. To my knowledge, no modern army has exceeded the percentage of losses the Confederate army endured, and only the Scottish regiments in World War One, and the Germans in World War Two, come close. A generation of young men was destroyed. one is reminded of the inscriptions so often present on the graves of that era: "How many dreams died here?"

There are at least two lessons for us to take away from such a day of remembrance. The first is one our leaders should carry next to their breasts, and contemplate every time they f ace a crisis, however small, which puts our military at risk. it should echo in their consciences, from the power of a million graves . It is simply this: You hold our soldiers' lives in sacred trust. When a citizen has sworn to obey you, and follow your judgment, and walk onto a battlefield to defend the interests you define as worthy of his blood, do not abuse that awesome power through careless policy, unclear objectives, or inflexible leadership.

The second lesson regards those who have taken such an oath, and who have honored the judgment of their leaders, often at great cost. Intellectual analyses of national policy are subject to constant re-evaluation by historians as the decades roll by, but duty is a constant, frozen in the context of the moment it was performed. Duty is action, taken after listening to one's leaders, and weighing risk and fear against the powerful draw of obligation to family, community, nation, and the unknown future.

We, the progeny who live in that future, were among the intended beneficiaries of those frightful decisions made so long ago. As such, we are also the caretakers of the memory, and the reputation, of those who performed their duty -- as they understood it -- under circumstances too difficult for us ever to fully comprehend.

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A man that stands up for his Southern and Scots-Irish Heritage can't be all bad.
1 posted on 11/21/2006 1:14:35 AM PST by BnBlFlag
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To: BnBlFlag

I believe that the only reason he ran as a Democrat is because Senator Allen was running as a Republican. I think he is going to surprise the democrats alot over the next two years when he votes against many of the issues that they love so much. I of course could be wrong, but I don't believe he is going to play follow the leader much. He just does not seem the type.


2 posted on 11/21/2006 1:28:25 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: BnBlFlag
Kudos for his standing up for his Confederate heritage, but the Scots-Irish are a group of foreigners across the ocean.

The South put up a good fight considering they had less people, less railroads, less manufacturing, and a more export dependent economy than the North. They also did not strongly go on the offensive into the North until late in the war. Had they proceeded to Washington, DC in the Battle of Manassas/Bull Run, the Confederacy could have gotten foreign backing and could have won the war.

3 posted on 11/21/2006 1:30:39 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( For the Republic.)
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To: BnBlFlag
Well, hopefully this thread will not descend to the level of other threads when the Civil War is mentioned.

Before it does thou, I wan to give a heart felt salute to all the men Virginia who did their duty those four years. Your sacrifice was not in vain and your memory will be kept alive in our hearts.

4 posted on 11/21/2006 1:41:20 AM PST by James Ewell Brown Stuart (If you want to have a good time, jine the cavalry!)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

"The Scots-Irish are a group of foreigners across the ocean"
No, the Scots-Irish are Americans descended from immigrants to the Colonies of Scottish origin who came from Northern Ireland (Ulster) in the 1700's. They were Scots from Ireland,hence Scots-Irish.
They have been highly overrepresented in our Armed Forces since the Revolutioary War. Both Washington and Lee considered them their finest soldiers. To this day, they serve in disproportionate numbers.


5 posted on 11/21/2006 1:44:33 AM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: BnBlFlag

Webb would stand up for the gay nazi environmentalist yougurt eaters club if he thought it would help him advance himself.


6 posted on 11/21/2006 1:45:57 AM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: BnBlFlag
If all things related to the Confederacy are 'bad' then:

SHOULD WE CHANGE the names of FEDERAL MILITARY FORTS AND POSTS NAMED TO HONOR CONFEDERATE GENERALS

If the flag flown to honor our dead soldiers is racist, bigoted, wrong, and a painful reminder of slavery then isn't it logical that it would be 'racist, bigoted, and a painful reminder of slavery' for to continue to honor the names of Confederate Generals above federal military installations in this country?
With places like Fort Bragg named for Confederate Gen. Braxton Bragg and Fort Benning named in honor of BG Henry Benning and Fort Rucker, Alabama, Fort Polk, Fort Hood, Fort Lee, Fort A.P. Hill; all named in honor of Confederate officers who led these soldiers - what is the standard?
Will these same voices demand the Secretary of Defense to change the names of the Federal military installations named in honor of the Confederacy and its leaders?
Every soldier that is stationed and serves at one of these forts, is in a sense honoring a Confederate General and the Confederacy every day; even when they write their addresses on a letter home to their families. What is the standard; is there one set of rules for the federal government and another for the states?
The truth is that the American Civil War is not so simple to slice it into a black and white issue. Brothers fought brother, Irish fought Irish, Jewish Confederates fought Jewish Union soldiers, there were Confederate Native American units as well as Hispanic Confederates and Black Americans served on both sides of that war. Complexity is central to the issues that led to that terrible war and complexity continued right into the conduct of that war. And it remains complex to this day.
The fact is, we as a people have become a new American that is not simply black or white or yellow or brown and millions of Americans today, of all races and colors, are descendants of soldiers who served on both sides in our Civil War. We have a common history and a shared heritage and it is time we move on.

One of the largest and most impressive sites at Arlington Cemetery is the Confederate Memorial Monument...

Of course there is a Confederate Monument at Arlington - a very very large monument. Remember, it has only become Politically Incorrect to honor our fallen Southern heros and our Battle Flag for about the past 10-years. By the turn of the last Century (1900) the soldiers who fought the war, and the Federal Government had a great deal of respect for each other and in 1900 a section in Arlington was authorized for the exclusive burial of Confederates soldiers and their wives.

The Memorial Monument was sculpted by Moses Ezekiel who also made a famous statue of George Washington. Ezekiel served as a Sergeant of Company C of the Cadets, Virginia Military Institute during the Civil War. After that service, he graduated from VMI in 1866 - he is buried near the base of the Memorial. He was also a Jewish Confederate. Yes, there were many of them along with Native American Confederates, Hispanic Confederates and even Black Confederates.

The cornerstone of the Monument was laid in 1912 and one of the speakers was James Tanner, Commander-in-Chief of the Grand Army of the Republic(Union Veterans Organization). The Monument was dedicated on June 4, 1914 with President Woodrow Wilson making the principal address before a crowd which included thousands of former Union and Confederate soldiers.

Anyway, there is pretty good site which contains some great pictures and information of the Arlington Confederate Monument itself at the following: http://www.arlingtoncemetery.com/csa-mem.htm

More information on specific Confederate burials at Arlington National Cemetery is at: http://www.arlingtoncemetery.com/csa.htm

A few that may be of particular interest is a Canadian Confederate Jerry Cronan one of 40,000 Canadians who had fought in the American Civil War, Joseph Wheeler
Lieutenant General, Confederate States, Major General, United States Army and a Member of the United States Congress, and Juliet Ann Opie Hopkins Nurse, Confederate States of America who was wounded in battle and was called the "Florence Nightingale of the South." and many others.

For additional information check out the official US Government Arlington site at: http://www.arlingtoncemetery.org/visitor_information/Confederate_Memorial.html

Even President George W. Bush has kept alive the tradition of the wreathat the Confederate Memorial at Arlington:
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/csa-mem-bush.htm

Map of Confederate Memorial: http://www.arlingtoncemetery.org/interactive_map/Section16.html#17

Images from Google: http://images.google.com/images?q=confederate+memorial+arlington&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

 

NOTE: I'm sorry for the History Lesson, but I have to repress a head-shake when someone buys into the Neo-History of the South and the Politically Correct attitude towards Confederate names. How many people realize that there are dozens of FEDERAL MILITARY INSTALLATIONS today that are named in honor of Southern Generals? I suppose these same people would take issue with Ft. Bragg - home of our Special Forces and Delta Force - etc. Bragg was a Confederate General....just go down the list and see for yourself. Ft. Benning, Fort Lee, Fort Polk...etc....maybe we need to rename these Federally Funded 'Confederate Honoring' Military Bases to something more PC?! Fort Jane Fonda? Fort Bill Clinton - Fort Lincoln....oy vey!

Katherine & Van Jenerette

www.jenerette.com

www.jenerette.com/desertstorm

Arlington Cemetery Main Page & Information

Images from the Monument

The South Carolina State & National Flag

7 posted on 11/21/2006 1:47:13 AM PST by Van Jenerette (U.S.Army 1967-1991 Infantry OCS, Hall of Fame, Ft. Benning Ga.)
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To: BnBlFlag
Scots-Irish is a term for people from, as you mention, Ireland who were of Scottish ancestry.

However, there should not be any Scots-Irish Americans any more than their should be English, African, Chinese, Japanese, Mexican, or Cuban Americans. There should only be one American ethnicity: American. That is why the previous comment suggested that he should not stand up for his Scots-Irish heritage.

8 posted on 11/21/2006 1:53:06 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( For the Republic.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
their there (this happens a lot).
9 posted on 11/21/2006 1:55:15 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( For the Republic.)
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To: Van Jenerette
Thank you for your intelligent and thoughtful response.
10 posted on 11/21/2006 1:56:10 AM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: BnBlFlag

DEO VINDICE


11 posted on 11/21/2006 1:57:56 AM PST by Van Jenerette (U.S.Army 1967-1991 Infantry OCS, Hall of Fame, Ft. Benning Ga.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

What you say is true but there are certain "ethnicities" who will not allow that to happen.


12 posted on 11/21/2006 1:59:31 AM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: BnBlFlag
Agreed. Although people should do some things, they won't necessarily do them. Americans who concur with the concept of a single American ethnicity for all Americans should still promote it though.
13 posted on 11/21/2006 2:07:07 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( For the Republic.)
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To: BnBlFlag

Some of my ancestors were Scots Irish, coming to Texas after the Civil War. If you wan't to confound your "the civil war was about slavery" friends, ask how many slaves in the United States, were freed by Lincoln. The answer is easy to remember, like Zero.
barbra ann


14 posted on 11/21/2006 2:13:51 AM PST by barb-tex (Why replace the IRS with anything?)
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To: barb-tex

"Like zero"
Bingo! You get a Gold Star!


15 posted on 11/21/2006 2:21:35 AM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

With the melting pot, we can recognize the varied flavors, which blend to make the rich hearty American stew. Multiculturalism is more akin to the child complaining about different foods touching each other on their plate.

Ethnicity is different than nationality. Scots-Irish is generally not stated as Scots-Irish-American, as the American part is assumed.


16 posted on 11/21/2006 2:23:15 AM PST by GoLightly
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To: BnBlFlag
That thing turned on President Reagan. This man will "NOT" get my support. He is a Democrat. When one takes a long look at this whole sordid picture, this nation is in trouble in more ways than one.
17 posted on 11/21/2006 2:26:16 AM PST by Paige ("Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." --George Washington)
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To: James Ewell Brown Stuart
I wan to give a heart felt salute to all the men Virginia who did their duty those four years. Your sacrifice was not in vain and your memory will be kept alive in our hearts.

Well said & I agree.

18 posted on 11/21/2006 2:27:38 AM PST by GoLightly
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To: GoLightly

Had a female ancestor named Golightly.


19 posted on 11/21/2006 2:27:57 AM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: napscoordinator

You must have missed his "Class Struggle" article.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009246

He's a Democrat.


20 posted on 11/21/2006 2:28:19 AM PST by Lovebloggers
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To: BnBlFlag
A man that stands up for his Southern and Scots-Irish Heritage can't be all bad.

Let's hope his next novel doesn't include a scene where a returning Confederate soldier sees his little boy running naked towards him, picks him up, and ...

You know in a hypothetical world, Robert E. Lee himself would probably have stripped Webb of his Southern citizenship for writing such pornography into ANY novel.

Congratulations Virginia, you voted for him, you got him.
21 posted on 11/21/2006 2:29:13 AM PST by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: zbigreddogz
Webb would stand up for the gay nazi environmentalist yougurt eaters club if he thought it would help him advance himself.

Now that's what I call a near-perfect post. You not only hit the nail on the head but drove it right through the board!

22 posted on 11/21/2006 2:29:48 AM PST by GraceCoolidge
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To: BnBlFlag

Interesting! Course, it's not really my name. I poached it from "Breakfast at Tiffany's", cuz it went well with my first name.

Holly


23 posted on 11/21/2006 2:31:26 AM PST by GoLightly
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To: GoLightly

More of the tomato soup type (although immigrants bring trappings of their old cultures, there is a base stock which remains, the tomato, or core American culture, largely, but not exactly, English).


24 posted on 11/21/2006 2:54:07 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( For the Republic.)
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To: BnBlFlag

There seems little doubt but that James Webb will be a maverick. Southern Democrats are few and far between in the US Senate these days and virtually all of them buck the national party at least somewhat. This is particularly heartening when you think that the Demoniacs have the narrowest majority possible, not just being 51-49, but also that the switch of just one seat returns the chamber to GOP control.

I was looking at Bob Casey's credentials last night and it's clear that he, too, is no typical Democrat. And, yes, you can add Jon Tester to the same list. Then there's Joe Lieberman (who was elected only because 70% of Connecticut Republicans voted for him compared to only 1/3 of CT Dems). It's clear that the Senate Dems will get nowhere without GOP co-operation. Lincoln Chafee is no longer part of the GOP caucus, either. Claire McCaskill, believe it or not, has a few conservative wrinkles, too, especially on illegal immigration. From the sound of her website, it almost appears as if she wants to ship them all back across the border!

We have to work with these folks, so let's make the best of it.


25 posted on 11/21/2006 3:04:05 AM PST by Princip. Conservative
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

"There should only be one American ethnicity: American."

I disagree. We can all be "American" but I mourn the loss of various distinctive so called ethnic 'traits'. The irish story telling, the italian passion, the german industriousness, the spanish intensity, the proper english, the robust scot, and so forth! I also love the ethinic and regional cuisines, the distinct regional accents in speech...etc.

I cherish the differences which add flavor and character to a people. This can exist with a core love of being an american and a love for America.

I am a polyglot of many ethnicities as quite a number of my ancestors were early colonials. I can get a sense of who they were by an awareness of the nature of their various native origins. I am proud of all and sundry, and will not deny them. What they were made of ethnically gave them the strength to forge their way across the nation as it was expanded and settled.


26 posted on 11/21/2006 3:08:26 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Had they proceeded to Washington, DC in the Battle of Manassas/Bull Run, the Confederacy could have gotten foreign backing and could have won the war.

The Confederacy's goal was simply independence. They did not realize that in order to end the military threat they would have to occupy and take out of the war a significant part of the Union. It is one of the mistakes we made in Vietnam. Washington alone however was not that important. The British took it in 1813 to little effect.
27 posted on 11/21/2006 3:23:49 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Dudoight
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, and agree that the many ethnic cuisines have enriched the palates of almost all Americans.

Appreciate your polite disagreement, too.

28 posted on 11/21/2006 3:27:20 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( For the Republic.)
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To: Dudoight

I have no problem with ethinicities and people's awareness and cherishing of them, as long as it is subjugated to being an American.

Like you, I am a mutt. I am Italian, Armenian, French, Irish and Scottish. It is interesting and fun to be able to say that. But I am an American first.

People who are citizens of this country should be American before they are anything else, and should consider themselves as such.

The problem is, people are encouraged by some to immigrate to this country and be Brazilian, Mexican, Portugese, Saudi Arabian or what have you, BEFORE considering themselves American.

And that is not good.


29 posted on 11/21/2006 3:30:29 AM PST by rlmorel (The US Media...Where you get Million Dollar Words From people with a Ten Cent Fart for a brain.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
The Washington of the 1860's was not the Washington of the 1810's. The Confederacy was fighting to sovereignty from the federal government based in Washington, DC.

That the South tried for a defensive war was noble and could even be viewed as pragmatic at the time (they would have had difficulty with logistics because of their marginal railroad system and the naval blockades), but they should have marched on Washington when they had the chance (it might not have knocked the North out of the war, but it could have impressed the Europeans enough that one or more of them could have given direct military aid), along with an offensive to the North at an earlier stage.

30 posted on 11/21/2006 3:32:42 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( For the Republic.)
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To: rlmorel

"People who are citizens of this country should be American before they are anything else, and should consider themselves as such"

ABSOLUTLEY!


31 posted on 11/21/2006 3:33:34 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
fighting for sovereignty..... (yet another typo).
32 posted on 11/21/2006 3:34:21 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( For the Republic.)
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To: BnBlFlag
LOL{ You all got snookered. He's going to vote the liberal harry reid line to keep his job, and I find it interesting that thw Wash Post didn't publish these wrods for they would have hurt Webb amongst liberal voters.

Well since you seem to enjoy the experience of being snookered may I suggest you visit your nearest used car lot.

33 posted on 11/21/2006 3:37:24 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: napscoordinator
I believe that the only reason he ran as a Democrat is because Senator Allen was running as a Republican. I think he is going to surprise the democrats alot over the next two years when he votes against many of the issues that they love so much. I of course could be wrong,

My bet is that you will be.

34 posted on 11/21/2006 3:38:35 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Princip. Conservative
You are entitled to make all the arguments you like in favor of these, perhaps, DINOs and read everything you can into their actions. Its o.k.

I have a very uneasy feeling about all of them. Joe Lieberman gladly accepted the nomination of the democrat party to run for vice president and he always supported that party. He has stated that he will caucus with the democrats even after his shoddy treatment at the hands of the democrats. I don't care how much kool aid Sean Hannity drinks on his behalf, the man was/is/will always be a democrat.

Casey's father got royally and publically bitc# slapped at the first Clinton convention because he wouldn't kneel at the barbaric vile altar of abortion. The Casey's remain democrat.

I read James Webb's book "Born Fighting, the Scots-Irish in America". I'm married into a Scots-Irish family; I love my wife dearly. Things that have made me uneasy about her extended family and some people I have met when traveling to West Virginia with her became clear in Webb's book. I don't mean to paint all of them with a broad brush. Patton, Reagan, Audie Murphy, my wife, to name a few, were/are great patriotic Americans of Scots-Irish descent. Webb's book supports my long held feeling that there a fair number of Scots-Irish who will turn on our country because it isn't about what is best for the country, its what is best for the family. I think this man is a selfish individual who was given great opportunity by Republicans, most notably Reagan. I honor his heroic service to our country, just as I honor my father's service in two wars, and my USMC son's service during the war on terror. Webb couldn't find a way to remain true to the party and advance the conservative agenda. In the final analysis, its all about James Webb, not about the party or ultimately what's best for the country. I think that if some africanhyphenamerican loud mouths complain about his address at the Confederate Memorial, he will immediately blow in a different directon to appease them.

I think that conservatives need to work diligently, just like the democraps did this time, to defeat every single one of these people (no prisoners) and install people in office who not only talk the talk, but walk the walk. Looking to people like Webb, McCaskill et al to build a majority will cost too much in the end, we've been damaged enough.

35 posted on 11/21/2006 3:46:51 AM PST by RushLake (I neutered my dog; now he's a liberal.)
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To: BnBlFlag

Actually, the Scots Irish moved back and forth from Ireland to Scotland over several generations in the 17th and 18th century in some cases and didn't just live in Northern Ireland.


36 posted on 11/21/2006 5:01:31 AM PST by Mercat
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To: Princip. Conservative
We have to work with these folks, so let's make the best of it.

Thank you Grandpa Karl, tell us again about the story of the 68 polls a week? Can ya? Can ya?

We love to hear the story of how the GOP held on to both houses of Congress.

Oops.
37 posted on 11/21/2006 5:06:49 AM PST by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: Dudoight
I mourn the loss of various distinctive so called ethnic 'traits'. The irish story telling, the italian passion, the german industriousness, the spanish intensity, the proper english, the robust scot, and so forth!

How could you forget the illegal Mexicans dealing in dope, murder and rape, 'committing the crimes that Americans just don't want to commit'?

Sorry pal, I wouldn't mourn the 'loss' of that one damn bit.
38 posted on 11/21/2006 5:09:16 AM PST by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
Washington alone however was not that important.

Were it only thus today. (sigh)
40 posted on 11/21/2006 5:14:15 AM PST by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: mkjessup
You know in a hypothetical world, Robert E. Lee himself would probably have stripped Webb of his Southern citizenship for writing such pornography into ANY novel.

Robert Lee didn't read novels to begin with, he thought that they were a waste of time. Regardless, I have a hard time believing that Robert Lee would be so judgemental or feel he had the right to strip another person of anything merely because of the man's failings.

41 posted on 11/21/2006 5:14:42 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
merely because of the man's failings

Graphic depictions of pedophilia hardly qualify as only a 'failing'.

We'll put you down as one of the 'enlightened ones'.
42 posted on 11/21/2006 5:18:27 AM PST by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: BnBlFlag

These remarks were made by Webb in 1990.

If he says the same things today, I would agree with your comment.

However, with the PC crap that has gone under the bridge since 1990, especially concerning the Confederacy, I doubt he would stand by his statements today.

Kinda like Algoremanpig on abortion from 1988 to 1992.


43 posted on 11/21/2006 5:26:43 AM PST by exit82 (Clinton didn't try. He just failed.)
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To: BnBlFlag
He's pretty bad.

He's a classic class-warfare type of guy who writes porn.

Of course, if he splits the Dems he'll do some good.

44 posted on 11/21/2006 5:27:49 AM PST by what's up
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To: BnBlFlag

I read a few chapters of "Born fighting" - good book, no idea it was him.


45 posted on 11/21/2006 5:28:39 AM PST by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: BnBlFlag

He has a true heritage of which to be very proud. Too bad he's a lib.


46 posted on 11/21/2006 5:29:29 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Princip. Conservative

That's right. It's time to work together for the good of our dear country. I'm all for it.


47 posted on 11/21/2006 5:32:58 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: mkjessup


"How could you forget the illegal Mexicans dealing in dope, murder and rape, 'committing the crimes that Americans just don't want to commit'?

Sorry pal, I wouldn't mourn the 'loss' of that one damn bit."

You gotta be kidding me? LOL? Like would I mourn the loss of the Jihadi mentality, too? Come on guy? You must have a bug up your nose or something.


48 posted on 11/21/2006 5:37:18 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: BnBlFlag

Gasp!
RACIST, RACIST, RACIST
Oh. He's a Democrat now. If he was still a Republican there would be mighty ass kissing dues to be paid to the unending above the fold front page stories in Dead Tree Media.

He's a 'crat rat now. Nevermind/sarc


49 posted on 11/21/2006 5:37:39 AM PST by Gideon Reader ("The quiet gentleman sitting in the corner sipping Kenya AA and enjoying his Stan Getz CD's".)
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To: mkjessup
We'll put you down as one of the 'enlightened ones'.

You can put me down as anything you want since you seem convinced that you have an uncanny ability to know what other people think.

50 posted on 11/21/2006 5:40:05 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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