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Kremlin Poison
Geopolitical Report ^ | 11.20.2006 | J. R. Nyquist

Posted on 11/21/2006 1:56:12 PM PST by brain bleeds red

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1 posted on 11/21/2006 1:56:14 PM PST by brain bleeds red
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To: brain bleeds red
Ayman al-Zawahiri was trained by the FSB (KGB) in Russia along with other al Qaeda leaders


2 posted on 11/21/2006 2:00:16 PM PST by jdm
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To: brain bleeds red
The moron KGB/FSB thugs just poisoned a man who just might have saved Russia. May God protect Alexander Litvinenko, as he struggles for life.


3 posted on 11/21/2006 2:05:37 PM PST by FormerACLUmember
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To: FormerACLUmember

No poison tipped umbrellas this time?


4 posted on 11/21/2006 2:08:04 PM PST by Callahan
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To: brain bleeds red

Sometimes "innocent until proven guilty" needs to be put on the shelf. This is one of those times. The three people who Litvinenko met with (in 2 different meetings) shortly before developing the symptoms of poisoning should be in custody. Country club style custody, as none of them are yet proven guilty, and it's likely that 1 or 2 of them never will be. But it is really essential that the guilty party(ies) be identified, and then interrogated (using whatever means are necessary to extract the whole truth). The only way to do this is to grab the reasonable suspects NOW. Any of them who actually were in on the poisoning have a short life expectancy as it is, since there are certainly powerful people who want to make sure they can never tell what they know, and who have no qualms about killing people to achieve their objectives.


5 posted on 11/21/2006 2:09:11 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Callahan

"No poison tipped umbrellas this time?"

These Commie thugs (now Russian Mafia thugs) are masters of assassination. Remember how they almost killed the Pope. I suspect they are now training the Syrians in the deadly arts.


6 posted on 11/21/2006 2:14:46 PM PST by FormerACLUmember
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To: brain bleeds red
During an interview with Rzeczpospolita in July 2005 he explained that al Qaeda’s number two man, Ayman al-Zawahiri was trained by the FSB (KGB) in Russia along with other al Qaeda leaders.

Why is the West so soft on Putin?

Here is an informative article in the Daily Telegraph by an ex-KGB agent who defected to the West in 1985:

Why the West must stand up to Putin's thugs

7 posted on 11/21/2006 2:36:15 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: brain bleeds red

Another thing not mentioned in that article is that Russia wants to sell weapons to Mexico and Nicaragua again, and Russia and China, along with their Central and South American allies, want AMLO to take over Mexico.


8 posted on 11/21/2006 3:14:09 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: brain bleeds red; lizol; Lukasz; strategofr; GSlob; spanalot; Thunder90; Tailgunner Joe; ...
Russia/Soviet/Coldwar2 Ping!!!

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9 posted on 11/21/2006 3:16:05 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: brain bleeds red

This is the fifteenth journalist to have been killed during Putin's term. If he doesn't agree with the media, he kills them. Sounds an awful lot like the old Soviet days...


10 posted on 11/21/2006 3:25:07 PM PST by G8 Diplomat
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To: FormerACLUmember

Litvinenko is a kegebun thug himself [even if former]. May all kegebuns - past, present, and future - end up poisoned.


11 posted on 11/21/2006 3:28:13 PM PST by GSlob
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To: brain bleeds red
Great post!

Four weeks after Vladimir Putin’s re-election, a procession led by the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church arrived at the Church of Christ the Redeemer in Moscow. In keeping with ancient tradition the doors of the church were shut, symbolizing the sealed cave where Christ’s body was placed following crucifixion. “After midnight,” noted Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya, “the Orthodox faithful taking part in the procession await the opening of the church doors. The patriarch stands on the steps at their head and is the first to enter the empty temple where the Resurrection of Christ has already occurred.” In due course the Patriarch offered up a prayer, the doors of the Church of Christ the Redeemer were opened and out stepped President Vladimir Putin. If any Christians were present for this ceremony they offered no protest to this blatant sacrilege. The woman who reported this event for the benefit of Western readers has since been assassinated. The KGB defector who was investigating the circumstances of her death has been poisoned (i.e., Litvinenko). The West thinks it an amusing spy story, something out of fiction.

12 posted on 11/21/2006 3:39:31 PM PST by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: Auntie Mame
The West thinks it an amusing spy story, something out of fiction.

This is literally it. You read the news stories, and they're the most retarded things I've ever read.
They're like, "oooohh, spies and cloak and daggers"!!! So incredibly stupid to think that environment is over...
13 posted on 11/21/2006 6:29:49 PM PST by brain bleeds red
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To: FormerACLUmember
These Commie thugs (now Russian Mafia thugs) are masters of assassination. Remember how they almost killed the Pope. I suspect they are now training the Syrians in the deadly arts.

You are about 10 years late. Russian Mafia are Chechens now, NOT Russians.
14 posted on 11/21/2006 6:40:33 PM PST by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: GarySpFc

I want to know something... Who poisoned Alexander Litvinenko?


15 posted on 11/21/2006 6:53:59 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Thunder90

The vast Polish conspiracy did it.


16 posted on 11/21/2006 6:55:09 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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Interesting topic from a blog pimp.


17 posted on 11/21/2006 8:33:11 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, November 16, 2006 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

Thanks for the link.


18 posted on 11/21/2006 10:02:32 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Agrarian; Kolokotronis; kosta50; eleni121
Four weeks after Vladimir Putin’s re-election, a procession led by the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church arrived at the Church of Christ the Redeemer in Moscow. In keeping with ancient tradition the doors of the church were shut, symbolizing the sealed cave where Christ’s body was placed following crucifixion. “After midnight,” noted Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya, “the Orthodox faithful taking part in the procession await the opening of the church doors. The patriarch stands on the steps at their head and is the first to enter the empty temple where the Resurrection of Christ has already occurred.” In due course the Patriarch offered up a prayer, the doors of the Church of Christ the Redeemer were opened and out stepped President Vladimir Putin. If any Christians were present for this ceremony they offered no protest to this blatant sacrilege. The woman who reported this event for the benefit of Western readers has since been assassinated
19 posted on 11/21/2006 10:04:43 PM PST by MarMema
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To: brain bleeds red

I'd like to know where Nyquist got that story about the Russian church. I am not sure I believe it.


20 posted on 11/21/2006 10:05:30 PM PST by MarMema
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Perhaps the FSB had surveillance and knew where he was going to eat. They could have had the waiter poison the soup.
21 posted on 11/21/2006 10:07:55 PM PST by free_at_jsl.com
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To: FormerACLUmember

The moron KGB/FSB thugs just poisoned a man who just might have saved Russia.==

Who he saved is may be Berezovskii only. Litvinenko is teh former oligakh minion.

This poisoning thing is probably Berezovski made propaganda hoax. Same as with Yuschenko in Ukraine.


22 posted on 11/22/2006 3:15:34 AM PST by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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To: G8 Diplomat

This is the fifteenth journalist to have been killed during Putin's term. If he doesn't agree with the media, he kills them. Sounds an awful lot like the old Soviet days...==

How about Boris Eltsin reign? They say it was the freedom reign in Russia. But during his ruling there were 23 journalist killed. 23 is more then 15.

So suring Putin dictatorship was killed the lesser number of journalists then during Eltsin freedom:). Strange isn't it?:)


23 posted on 11/22/2006 3:19:41 AM PST by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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To: Thunder90; Tailgunner Joe; MarMema
I want to know something... Who poisoned Alexander Litvinenko?

Let me ask you what evidence have you examined?

I am not saying or implying that public debate should take place only on the condition of perfect information – criminal courts certainly do not operate like this ( if we were to stick to the analogy). The problem is not so much the access to all the facts, but rather whether the available facts merit a given inference. If you have a murder, and a number of different suspects with motives, you can not reach a legitimate conclusion if you simply ignore all but one of them simply because he is “black” (given media coverage Putin is definitely “black”) without addressing other suspects, their motives and their alibis you do not have “sufficient evidence” for legitimately focusing solely on the one you have chosen. And there is no need to speak of interpretations because all interpretations are not equivalent, some interpretations are more coherent and better supported by evidence than others. The level of this support is precisely the issue. But if all of the interpretations, by some fluke, are equally probable, then you withhold judgment, because making an arbitrary choice in such matter is worse then no choice at all.

We certainly must rely on media to get our information, but we can also improve our understanding by doing actual research and reach the information from a variety of sources. More importantly, though, we must not ignore some information and emphasize other simply because it improves our case. When people start taking information and interpreting them “as they see fit” they end up like Powell pronouncing on the floor of the UN Security Council that Iraq has WMD “beyond any doubt”. In fact, that whole WMD campaign is a perfect example of the difference between a belief based on evidence and one that arises out of the infamous “group-think” phenomenon, succumbing to which eventually led New York Times to a public apology. With regards to the equation of the court of law, public debate, and the scientific method – it is not so much an equation as a reduction to certain basic rules that govern our acquisition of knowledge. Some of these rules can be found in any introductory text book to Critical Thinking or informal logic:

Fallacy: Ad Hominem fallacy (Putin is KGB he must have done it),
Fallacy: Appeal to Belief (Everybody believes Putin did it, surely it is not a coincidence),
Fallacy: Appeal to Common Practice (Punditry is what media does, therefore it is right),
Fallacy: An Appeal to Emotion (Just look at all these pictures of the sick guy, surely you have no moral right to deny that Putin did it),
Fallacy: The Subjectivist Fallacy (there is no absolute truth, everything is interpretation and mine is that Putin did it),
Fallacy: Ad Baculum, Appeal to Fear (Putin did it because KGB is strangling Kremlin critics),
Fallacy: Bandwagon (if you deny that Putin did it, you are supporting political assassinations)
Fallacy: Begging the Question (if Putin did not do it, experts would not be saying he did it)
Fallacy: Biased Induction or Biased Generalization or Biased Sample ( KGB assassinated in the past, so they did it this time as well),
Fallacy: Ad Ignorantiam or Burden of Proof (Putin did it, prove me wrong),
Fallacy: Post hoc (Putin did it because the victim criticized Putin before the assassination)
Fallacy: Appeal to ignorance (no perfect evidence for any conclusion exists, therefore Putin did it)
Fallacy: Division (Secret Service does it, Putin part of Secret Service, so Putin does it as well)

Now, have you looked at the evidence? What does it tell you?

Who is Boris Berezovsky?

Who gave Litvinenko money to make a film?

Was it Berezovsky who has made repeated public announcements about trying to stage a coup or revolution in Russia against Putin?
Could it be Litvinenko's use to Berezovsky has expired... Especially now that new evidence has uncovered key inconsistencies and falsehoods in Litvinenko's (and Felshtinsky's) books about Russian agencies involvement in the bombings of Moscow apartment blocks in 1999?

Could it be Litvinenko, may therefore have more of a role to play as a martyr for "proving" Russian involvement in his death, than he wills or realizes?

But of course, this theory would have to rest on Litvinenko believing all the stuff that he writes, and therefore genuinely suspecting that the FSB is out to get him...

Why hasn't Berezhovski been killed yet? One would think he would be higher on the hit list than a lowly Lt. Colonel.

If Berezovski gets killed then who will be financing the anti-Putin campaign?


But then you have considered this, haven't you?

In February 2004, journalists were invited to a plush hotel (as it happens, also in Piccadilly), to be regaled with an extraordinary story from a bedraggled Russian MP, who had run against Putin in elections. The MP, Ivan Rybkin, gave a muddled account of being abducted, put on a train, drugged and filmed in compromising positions. It was all, we were told, the doing of Putin and his secret agents.
The truth turned out to be rather different. Rybkin, not for the first time, had been on a bender. He and his supporters abroad had found an ingenious way of "explaining" his absence to his wife and discrediting Putin at the same time. Alas, Rybkin could not keep up the pretense."

In a chess game sometimes a pawn or a bishop needs to be sacrificed to win the game.
24 posted on 11/22/2006 5:20:08 AM PST by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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I'd like to know where Nyquist got that story about the Russian church

I've done some googling on the topic as well as have searched in the Russian Internet. No result, except for this article.

The story is very unlikely. First, Putin has enough advisers on this matter, secondly, he's never alone at public.

I think we need a confirmation for this.

25 posted on 11/22/2006 9:11:40 AM PST by Freelance Warrior
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I likewise searched everywhere for the article, and could find it anywhere.


26 posted on 11/22/2006 9:15:04 AM PST by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: brain bleeds red
The Russian strategy should be obvious by now. We know that China and Iran are being armed with Russian weapons – including Russian nuclear technology.

About the nuclear tech: that's not proven. Russia is building a nuclear power plant equipped with light-water reactors which run on 5% uranium. It also supplies the fuel rods to Iran for the plant. But that's not a military nuclear technology. Iran has received much from the Pakistani "bomb-father" in the nuke dimension.

We know that Russia is working to form various alliances with countries like Brazil, India, Venezuela

You're an adult, don't cry.

The suicide of the West is happening before our eyes. From the assassination of Anna Politkovskaya to the poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko

What the hell does this have to do with the West?

undermining NATO as one Warsaw Pact country after another joins under false democratic colors

Tell it to those countries. Do you mean Poland among others?

According to Litvinenko, “[there is] only one organization which has made terrorism the main tool of solving political problems.” And that organization, he said, “is the Russian special services.”

What else could you expect from a defector?

Too big heap of crap to dig it further.

27 posted on 11/22/2006 9:28:48 AM PST by Freelance Warrior
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To: GarySpFc

This whole episode shows how news can be twisted to fit an agenda without the slightest bit of hard evidence to back it up. I have been saying for years here that Putin is more pro-America/West than the Russian electorate, and all of this hostility will only result in a hardening of positions over there. President Ivanov is looking more likely every day.


28 posted on 11/22/2006 10:41:48 AM PST by Timedrifter
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To: MarMema

Welcome!


29 posted on 11/22/2006 11:01:50 AM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: RusIvan
Well Putin's term isn't over yet. Who knows how many more will be killed.

And I wouldn't call Yeltsin's rule "freedom". I'm not saying Putin is worse than his successors, but he could be a whole lot better.
30 posted on 11/22/2006 11:49:29 AM PST by G8 Diplomat
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To: GarySpFc

Right, Putin's awesome, Russia's great, they've got some sweet human rights there. Litvinenko was randomly poisoned by somebody, Anna Politkovskaya was shot on accident, and the other 14 journalists must have died from "natural causes".


31 posted on 11/22/2006 1:40:07 PM PST by brain bleeds red
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To: Timedrifter
I have been saying for years here that Putin is more pro-America/West than the Russian electorate, and all of this hostility will only result in a hardening of positions over there. President Ivanov is looking more likely every day.

Yes, all of this "hostility" on Freep will "harden" Putin's "Pro-America" stance. Right.
32 posted on 11/22/2006 1:41:28 PM PST by brain bleeds red
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To: brain bleeds red

I know the difference between cheap propaganda and truth.


33 posted on 11/22/2006 2:42:48 PM PST by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: GarySpFc

Sure, but Polish meat certificates must be genuine, not forged, because the Russians say so.

Eh, Gary, you're pathetic.


34 posted on 11/22/2006 4:39:24 PM PST by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: GarySpFc

Are they paying overtime again?


35 posted on 11/22/2006 7:42:46 PM PST by spanalot
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To: Freelance Warrior

"What the hell does this have to do with the West?"

Ever hear of the Cold War son? It cost me and your parents a whole lot of money and LIVES.



36 posted on 11/22/2006 7:45:15 PM PST by spanalot
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To: lizol
'Only the Putin propaganda line of the day shall be mentioned - or it's Siberia.'


37 posted on 11/22/2006 10:47:08 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: brain bleeds red
"Right, Putin's awesome, Russia's great, they've got some sweet human rights there. Litvinenko was randomly poisoned by somebody, Anna Politkovskaya was shot on accident, and the other 14 journalists must have died from "natural causes"."

According to Moscow you are 100% correct .... :)

38 posted on 11/22/2006 10:49:35 PM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: brain bleeds red; M. Espinola; G8 Diplomat; JasonC; Tailgunner Joe; MarMema

Right, Putin's awesome, Russia's great, they've got some sweet human rights there. Litvinenko was randomly poisoned by somebody, Anna Politkovskaya was shot on accident, and the other 14 journalists must have died from "natural causes".==

You just falling to another extreme. Once you blaim Putin as the murderer of Politkovskaya and the poisoneer of Litvinenko but next just out of your sarcasm you tell that the murder or poisoning didn't happen. It is just the polimic trick.
You just create the implication that if those crimes happened then it was Putin the perpetrator or another choice the crime didn't happen. It is smart trick but not that smart. You are far form mastership of those soviet propagandists of Soviet reign. I in turn was fed by thier production for years (I lived in USSR) so for me it is very easy to recognise the propagandistic fraud and lugh oon it:)).
To conclude I choose the third choice of your dilemma: those crime did happen but it wasn't Putin the perpetrator but the third side who wanted to frame him and undermine him. How about that version?:)
My prove of it is that Putin has no motives to do such crimes. Both Politkovskaya and Litvinenko was juts the neglegible values on the political spectre. Same as for thier master Berezovskii. Everyone knows that they eat form Berezovskii hand. They were his clients. So their credibility wasn't higher then the credibility of Berezovskii himself means something near zero.
But the use them as the scapegots could bring some dividends to him as the political provocation and frame.
But I honestly think that thier efforts are futile. They wasn't damage Putin approval rate whatever they do because Russians do not trust Berezobskii then his clients. But Putin approal rate with Russians is the most important thing isn't it true?


39 posted on 11/23/2006 2:04:06 AM PST by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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To: Timedrifter
President Ivanov is looking more likely every day.

My sources say it will likely be President Dimtri Medvedev.
40 posted on 11/23/2006 5:52:43 AM PST by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: GarySpFc; Timedrifter

If Solzhenitsyn were a bit younger, he'd make a great president for Russia. The only question would be whether he'd get elected.


41 posted on 11/23/2006 8:30:36 AM PST by G8 Diplomat
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To: RusIvan
" I in turn was fed by thier production for years (I lived in USSR) so for me it is very easy to recognise the propagandistic fraud and lugh oon it:))."

It's a shame your views are still hardcore Soviet and defend your Kremlin boss no matter the bleeding obvious.

"My prove of it is that Putin has no motives to do such crimes."

The other voice from Radio Moscow has spoken again. Yes comrade, of course Putin is a saint and would never hurt a fly, never mind those which expose his ruthless agenda.

Please inform all the dimwitted peasants on FR the Russian line on how Syria's Assad clan (another 'former' Soviet client state, Putin supplies with advanced weaponry) had absolutely nothing to do with the assassination of Pierre Gemayel.

42 posted on 11/23/2006 10:34:38 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: RusIvan
But Putin approal rate with Russians is the most important thing isn't it true?

Maybe to you, but not to us. You see, we are Americans, not Russians. So what is most important to us are our own opinions, not those of foreigners. What Russians approve of or disapprove of is not really what is most important to us.

43 posted on 11/23/2006 12:31:56 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: RusIvan

You reasoning just doesn't make sense, you Commie plant. Are you saying Berezobski killed those other journalists as well simply to "frame" innocent Putin? Why wouldn't Putin just kill him then?

And what could be gained from "framing" Putin anyways? He's consolidated almost all of the power, he's nationalized the energy industry, to even attempt the assertion that Putin's power hangs in the balance as opposed to resting in an iron grip is ludicrous, not to mention naive and shameful, regardless of how much (former)Russian propaganda you've swallowed.


44 posted on 11/23/2006 2:44:13 PM PST by brain bleeds red
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To: Tailgunner Joe; Romanov
Maybe to you, but not to us. You see, we are Americans, not Russians. So what is most important to us are our own opinions, not those of foreigners. What Russians approve of or disapprove of is not really what is most important to us.

Let's understand something up front. You do not speak for all Americans. You do not speak for all Freepers. You do not even speak for all conservatives, but only for conspiracy theorists who live in a world of darkness. You call American servicemen traitors, when you never even served one day in any branch of our armed services. Indeed, it is doubtful you even served in the boy scouts. Last month I had a retired American Special Forces Officer tell me he proudly marched in a parade in Red Square in his uniform. Are you going to call him a traitor? Well, that officer just won America's highest award, the Medal of Honor. Who are you to call anybody a traitor? Who are you to call anybody anything?
45 posted on 11/23/2006 3:12:24 PM PST by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: M. Espinola

Please inform all the dimwitted peasants on FR the Russian line on how Syria's Assad clan (another 'former' Soviet client state, Putin supplies with advanced weaponry) had absolutely nothing to do with the assassination of Pierre Gemayel.==

I just wonder who that Pirre Jamel and what he has to do with Russia and Putin?:) Don't you think that you confused here?

Yes comrade, of course Putin is a saint and would never hurt a fly, never mind those which expose his ruthless agenda.==

Putin is not a saint I'm first who tell that but he is not stupid to do the things in which he has absolutely no benefits but just opposite. If you use your brains you should understand that.

Those minions of Berezovskii: Politkovskaya and Litvinenko are fully discredited themselves before russian people when they defended Chechen terorirsts or criminal Berezovskii.
For Putin it is absolutely save just to ignore them whatsoever. With his approval rate about 80% he did it. After all his term will end in 2 years. So for what he should bother?


46 posted on 11/24/2006 2:20:04 AM PST by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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To: brain bleeds red

Are you saying Berezobski killed those other journalists as well simply to "frame" innocent Putin? Why wouldn't Putin just kill him then? ==

Just because he has nothing to gain with it. But Berezovskii has much to gain. After all they all are Berezovskii minions who just got his money and Berezovskii has access to them.
Berezovskii is the master of hoaxes and provocations. He is just known swindler. Putin drove him from Russia when started the investigations of his cheats and frauds. So Berezovskii hates Putin guts and can do everything to undermine him.


47 posted on 11/24/2006 2:25:04 AM PST by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

What Russians approve of or disapprove of is not really what is most important to us.==

I agree with that. I just emphasize for you Joe that Putin incentives are just to gain approval rate of Russians not Americans. So his actions are for Russia not America. And it is just hypocricy is to critisize him as the foreign leader when he looks after his people interests and ignore yours. It is just the normal behaivior of any foreign leader isn't it right?


48 posted on 11/24/2006 2:28:38 AM PST by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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To: RusIvan
"For Putin it is absolutely save just to ignore them whatsoever. With his approval rate about 80% he did it. After all his term will end in 2 years. So for what he should bother?

You have stated you are a Russian and live in Russia, so it's not surprising all this promoting of your government's 'leader', however for all everyone knows on here, you could be employed by your government deliberately spreading disinformation. How about that comrade?

49 posted on 11/24/2006 2:36:19 AM PST by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: M. Espinola

You have stated you are a Russian and live in Russia, so it's not surprising all this promoting of your government's 'leader', however for all everyone knows on here, you could be employed by your government deliberately spreading disinformation. How about that comrade?==

Yeah yeah:) If I disagree with you then I'm the goverment agent and work for money no wonder you lose me:). Can you suppose that it maybe just your lame argumentation did that you lose?:)

Sir it is cheap to try to attack someone name and character if you lose the discussion. Try to be more thoughtful instead.


50 posted on 11/24/2006 2:43:08 AM PST by RusIvan ("THINK!" the motto of IBM)
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