Skip to comments.CA: Republicans: What Went Wrong? (internal audit being conducted)
Posted on 11/21/2006 6:53:39 PM PST by NormsRevenge
The California Republican Party is conducting an internal audit over why its unprecedented $20 million get-out-the-vote effort didn't produce wins for their candidates on election day. Only Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and insurance commissioner Steve Poizner captured statewide offices for the GOP, which also failed to pick up any new seats in the Legislature. One Republican incumbent, Secretary of State Bruce McPherson, was unseated.
Some conservative Republicans are demanding answers from the party. State Board of Equalization member Bill Leonard, who was reelected to his regional seat by a large margin, already has asked for the audit of the statewide effort. He has heard "rumors" that the GOP telephoned voters using scripts written by Schwarzenegger's team that only mentioned Schwarzenegger, that there was "mischief" with literature distributed on door-hangers in neighborhoods, and that the Republican Party may have called non-Republicans to encourage them to vote.
"... what is needed is full disclosure by the CRP leadership, a detailed political audit of how this campaign was waged. The party members, donors and volunteers deserve to know the full truth and the actual numbers."
Mike Spence, another Republican activist, said other problems emerged during the get-out-the-vote effort: the GOP sparsely canvassed precincts in eastern Los Angeles County and an outreach program to churches "died wandering in the desert." He also has called for an audit. Spence said the conservative ideology of some Republicans, such as lieutenant governor candidate Tom McClintock, can't account for their losses. If so, he said, why did a moderate like McPherson not benefit from the get-out-the-vote message that swept Schwarzenegger to victory in a landslide?
California GOP chairman Duf Sundheim said he thinks the $20 million effort proved effective, particularly in early voting by mail. ...
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Gee...an "internal audit" probably to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars to find out why the GOP lost little battles in the most liberal state in America.
How moronic. As for Ahhhnald...guy hardly doesn't even qualify as half a conservative and he had no real competition. "VHAT? I WIN CALEEFORNIA AND THEY DON'T?? LET'S THROW SOME MONEY AT WHY THEY DID NOT."
More proof that Duf is incompetent.
It was effective for getting ONLY Arnold elected... and getting Prop 90 defeated and the Bonds passed. Thanks for nuttin' Duf.
The article also makes the point that previous articles made as well, conservatives didn't bother to turn out and now they wonder what happened.
It quotes numbers, in heavily Dem Alamed county the turnout was 61.2%, while in heavily Republican Orange and San Bernardino counties it was 43%. Huge difference.
The so-called conservatives, once again, defeated themselves, gave victory to the Democrats, by staying home, instead of getting out and voting.
It also mentions what we already know, that there are 42.5% Dems and only 34.3% Republican registered voters in CA -- the only way the Republicans can win, is if they have a significantly higher turnout, instead of a significantly lower one.
But the conservatives decided to stay at home and sulk, handing Congress and CA statewide offices to the Dems. That'll show the Republicans.
Rigged, electronic votes ... across the board ... across the nation.
1) the GOP telephoned voters using scripts written by Schwarzenegger's team that only mentioned Schwarzenegger,
2) there was "mischief" with literature distributed on door-hangers in neighborhoods,
3) the Republican Party may have called non-Republicans to encourage them to vote.
The money was spent ONLY for Arnold, I was told. Nothing went to other candidates. They gutted the GOTV precinct walking, at least in my area, and replaced it with a razz-matazz mutliple-phone-calls snazzy computer program that ANNOYED voters and no one would work the phone banks. And replaced the volunteers with paid young computer hot-shots. Other than that ....
"The governor raised more money than any other candidate for GOTV and other party activities," he said. Sundheim estimated that "50 to 70 percent of the money we raised came from the governor."
Really, FO? Where does it say that?
Turnout in some important Republican counties was lower than in Democratic areas. A look at the most recent statistics, for example, shows Democrat-heavy Alameda County had a 61.2% turnout among all voters, while only 49.7% showed up in Republican-leaning Orange County. San Bernardino County, which leans Republican as well, showed a 43% turnout.It says Republican counties, and doesn't mention conservatives. You "moderates" never miss an opportunity to bash conservatives, do ya? Carry On!
By the way, what does it really mean? It says that the Arnie-managed GOTV efforts that Duf calls "effective" were pathetic when compared to the Democrats. Of course, Arnold courting the liberals in black churches with more socialist giveaways and touting big goverment borrowing for inner-city rail and farmworker housing did wonders to motivate Republicans to the polls, right? Arnold met his objectives: Get reelected, get all of the big-spending Bonds passed, and defeat Prop 90. What a guy!
I see this as the elephant in the room. Few, it seems, want to seriously discuss election fraud. On election night, and the day(s) following, I was continually amazed at how liberal democrat presincts ALWAYS reported late and miraculously made up the votes needed for narrow victories time after time.
I am not convinced that the ongoing democrat election strategy is to delay as long as necessary in close elections and provide the "necessary" votes in the 11th hour of reporting. This was obvious in the Florida 2000 Presidential election, and it's been repeated over and over; up to, and including, 2006.
Freepers say they'll stay home if Rudy wins. Heloo HILLARY!!!
On the surface it would appear that the FairOpinion account has violated their own first rule.
1) Never, ever allow the discussion to degenerate to the point were facts are discussed. Just as you are master of the environment under the bridge, they are master of the facts.
But the account hasn't, since the quote contains no facts, only speculation conjured under the bridge
Rumors is a nice word. There were several testimonials posted at Flash Report that said the same thing.
Not only did it include no facts, it wasn't a quote at all and totally mischaracterized what was written.
From another article:
"Steve Poizner is the de facto nominee for governor in 2010 by virtue of being a moderate, his vast personal wealth and the fact that he is a statewide office holder."
Looks like you are slipping, you haven't started to bash Poizner yet, to help Villaraigosa become CA gov in 2010.
CaGOP response: The governor raised more money than any other candidate for GOTV and other party activities,
A modern day version of "They are my marbles and we'll play any game I say"
California is no longer a conservative state and a real conservative is no longer going to win statewide unless the office is a mystery to the public or the Dem candidate exposes himself prematurely as a totally corrupt fraud. Local candidates can be conservative and win if GOTV efforts are created to ID voters and get those voters out just we do in FL, OH or MO. But on a larger stage, we are far too outnumbers numerically, financially and mediawise to have another Reagan show up and save the state.
Reagan could not get elected in CA today, in 2004, in 2002 or in 2000. Its not going to happen again barring some total freak occurence (like the Dem candidate dies in Oct). Once we get over the idea that there is going to be some ideologically pure candidate for us to vote for for any of the statewide offices, the faster we start getting our sh@t together and developing platforms that we can get a majority opinion on in the GOP and in the state. When you have a state where a majority want 12 yr olds to have abortions without their parents knowledge, what do we really expect to get from the rest of the sheep out there?
Anthony York was an assistant editor for Salon.
Care to hear some of his other conservative wisdom?
Don't be embarrassed. Speak up.
The link and quote refutes nothing I posted, FO. Nice try.
Poizner didn't need the GOTV effort.
He spent 11 million on his own advertising to buy the office, outspending his unpopular rival, Cruz Bustamante, by 8 times!
Do you think Poizner is a good gubernatorial candidate for 2010?
The guy who wouldn't support Bush and donated to Al Gore?
That's quite telling, FO. Quite telling, indeed.
Freepers say they'll stay home if Rudy wins. Heloo HILLARY!!!
The RINO's will oppose Hillary out of partisanship. They'll have a party with a lib Republican. You tell me who will do the most damage.
Funny you should mention that. It really happened.
In Oct 2006, Angelides dropped dead at the polls.
But I am convinced we did not stay home, nor 'taught the Republicans a lesson' nor did we, so en masse .. kick the RINO's out.
No ... I truly think 'we wuz robbed' and no one seems to want to seriously entertain even the possability ... go figger.
OC, San Diego, ann other republican strongholds did not show up.
As of today's count, Republican Senator McClintock received 15% more votes for Lt. Governor than Democrat Angelides got for Governor.
McClintock also received 12% more votes than the moderate incumbent Republican candidate for Sec of State, Bruce McPherson.
Another graduate of the FairOpinion University Under the Bridge ?
The unfounded accusation by FairOpinion was about conservatives, not Republicans.
Reading always helps.
County Name Orange San Diego 2002 Reg'd Voters 1,298,892 1,411,808 2006 Reg'd Voters 1,497,365 1,381,835 Change in Reg'd 198,473 -29,973 2002 Votes 641,784 683,062 2006 Votes 747,211 784,901 Change in Votes 105,427 101,839 2002 Turnout % 49.40% 48.30% 2006 Turnout % 49.90% 56.80% Change in Turnout 0.50% 8.50%
I guess it did show republicans. You want to continue with a politically correct war? You want to bring up amnesty every day, you want to call Islam a religion of peace & illegals are only here for a job, you want your conservative president to only talk about securing the borders when forced to & then run around with Bubba giving him a stage with Daddy Bush calling this impeached POS his adopted son. Go ahead & see even fewer turn out to vote in this fraudulent, corrupt "Two-Party Cartel". As for Ahrnold, he has set the republican party back 20 yrs in this state & your vote for this other worthless tool just legitimized idiots like him running in the future.
The hard core right ...
Correction to McPherson... not sure how that "1" got in there (should be 2%, not 12%)
Republican Senator McClintock received 15% more votes for Lt. Governor than Democrat Angelides got for Governor.
McClintock received 2% more votes than the moderate incumbent Republican candidate for Sec of State, Bruce McPherson.
Misread the comment, argued the wrong point and misread the facts.
Do you suppose that a flashlight might be on their Christmas list?
Maybe. The moonbeam is certainly not adequate.
But misrepresented and factually incorrect.
Thanks for stoppin' by to visit us Californians. Come on back when you really care.
Poizner is also an abortionist. In his '02 election TV ads he stated he supports a woman's right to choose.
He won't get my vote in the primary.
Thanks for stoppin' by to visit us Californians. Come on back when you really care.Thanks for framing your remarks within the context of states' rights.
It may well come down to Poizner vs. Villaraigosa.
It seems you preferred Angelides over Arnold and now prefer communist Villaraigosa over Poizner.
Click on the original report.
Quit posting your lies, FO. I never preferred Angelides.
I do, however, prefer someone who at least embraces the Republican platform and will work toward conservatism, not someone who tears apart the entire Republican party, undermines republican candidates and promotes a liberal agenda.
There are 4 years to plan--we can do better than recruiting a wimpy liberal like Poizner.
Hey, here in Texas, I got a call from Bill Clinton! Automated of course, but they had pulled all the stops out--in Texas. The main problem? NO LEADERSHIP, no gonads, pure wusses in the GOP, time after time gave ground, never fought for a damned thing that I can remember, not one issue.
They had lots of opportunities to go after some real criminal activity on the Dems side but nope, too cowardly. And now they've sold our troops down the sewer and my son is to be deployed back to Iraq after the first of the year for the second time, I'm telling you, someone will feel my wrath, this country does not deserve these servicemen and women. The GOP wonks needs to be run out of the country and rebuilt from the ground up.
Why would true "Republicans" (read: "conservatives") bother to come out and vote, especially when the "Republican" at the top of the ticket is a Democrat? Add to that conservatives' mentality of "hunker-down-and-just-try-to-survive-in-this-looney-state", together with the surrender-monkey "moderate" (read: "liberal") state Republican party leadership and the answer is pretty stinking obvious. It all boils down to hopelessness.
They need an audit for this??
California's legislative districts are extremely gerrymandered--Democrats dominate the legislature because the Republicans are concentrated in relatively few districts, and those are the seats that Democrats couldn't win if the Republican was a transgendered Nazi serial killer. If you're not of the correct party, you have no chance of winning the election. The interesting fights are primaries for open seats.
Dead in the water.
Orange County and San Bernadino County are Republican counties. They are also conservative counties. Quit trying to pretend that conservatives showed up in record numbers; they didn't. Turnout was pretty light in my (extremely conservative) district.
Sorry, no sale. That stuff has never bothered Democrat voters.
They simply don't care who hands them "free stuff".
***Call for Full Discloure***
By: Bill Leonard on: Monday, November 20th, 2006
A state Democrat blog last week had this headline: CDP Field Operation Defeats $20 Million GOP Elephant. Indeed, as the above results show, statewide Republican candidates did not fare well. Yet the CRP and the Governor had touted this years Victory 06 effort as the end-all, be-all of voter identification and activation. I had been excited about it. I saw what microtargeting accomplished for the President in Ohio two years ago and was eager to replicate that success in California. That excitement faded as results were tallied.
Accusations have been flying that the CRPs Victory 06 was actually Arnold 06, Period. I have heard that the CRPs phone banks used scripts written by and for the Governor, leaving the rest of the ticket unmentioned. There are rumors that there was mischief with CRP door-hangars because the Governor and the party disagreed over ballot measures. There is concern that the Victory 06 GOTV effort focused on voters who may not even have been Republicans. At this point, such accusations remain just that: undocumented statements with a tinge of bitterness following a brutal defeat of most of the party ticket. Therefore, what is needed is full disclosure by the CRP leadership, a detailed political audit of how this campaign was waged. The party members, donors and volunteers deserve to know the full truth and the actual numbers. Specifically, how did the CRP spend $20 million? How many voters were contacted, by whom, where were they, and what message was delivered to them? Can we identify why some of our biggest GOP counties appear to have had a much lower GOP turnout than usual? Did the party organizations there rely on Victory 06 to turn-out the base instead of their usual, grassroots effort? This Dem blog said the CDP contacted 521,622 voters and personally visited 424,354 homes to seek their support of the Democratic Ticket. What are the CRPs numbers, and can we honestly say that contact from the CRP included support for the Republican ticket?