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Colorado Attorney General John Suthers Apologizes To Saudis (Debbie Schlussel Alert)
Debbie Schlussel.com ^ | 11/22/2006 | Debbie Schlussel

Posted on 11/22/2006 7:11:10 AM PST by goldstategop

While Americans celebrate Thanksgiving tomorrow, Saudi Arabians already had theirs over the weekend.

Tomorrow, we eat turkey. Over the weekend, the Saudis had us begging to eat crow over a man named Turki.

In an utter display of American weakness and shame, Colorado Attorney General John Suthers traveled to Saudi Arabia to apologize. Apologize for the American justice system and virtually everything else that America stands for.

Suthers went to Saudi Arabia to apologize for the conviction of Homaidan Al-Turki. Just before Labor Day, Al-Turki was sentenced to 27 years to life in a Colorado prison for keeping a slave and raping her, among other crimes.

Extremist Makeover: Homaidan Al-Turki & Wife Sarah, Before & After

Al-Turki, from a prominent Saudi religious family, was in Denver seeking his Ph.D. at Colorado University. This summer, he was convicted of sexually assaulting his Indonesian housekeeper, whom he and his wife--also convicted--kept as a slave. The Al-Turkis' abuse of this fellow Muslim went on for five years. They brought the 24-year-old woman to their home in Aurora, Colorado to serve as their cook, maid, nanny, and apparently "marital aid" (or in this case, also, "marital aide").

Mr. Al-Turki was convicted of felony counts of unlawful sexual contact by use of force, theft, and extortion, and misdemeanor counts of false imprisonment and conspiracy to commit false imprisonment. He and his wife confiscated the woman's passport and kept her prisoner.

When it was time for Al-Turki--like any other American resident convicted of any crime--to ask for the mercy of the court, he chose a different tack: chutzpah. Al-Turki's statement to Judge Mark Hannen at sentencing was simply stunning:

Your honor, I am not here to apologize, for I cannot apologize for things I did not do and for crimes I did not commit. The state has criminalized these basic Muslim behaviors. Attacking traditional Muslim behaviors was the focal point of the prosecution. No, upholding American laws against slavery, false imprisonment, and rape was the focal point of the prosecution. But that's something that our State Department--and apparently Colorado's chief law enforcement officer--now don't understand.

In an unprecedented move, the State Department flew Attorney General Suthers to Saudi Arabia to personally explain--and apologize for--Al-Turki's conviction to Saudi King Abdullah. Yes, U.S. taxpayers paid for this outrageous trip, though now Suthers is claiming Abdullah decided to reimburse the tab.

Suthers flew 19 hours to answer to leaders of another sovereign nation for enforcing the laws of Colorado. And apparently, he contracted a rapidly infectious case of Stockholm Syndrome during his stay, calling his pander-tour "the adventure of a lifetime."

Monday, he lectured the media that King Abdullah et al simply can't understand "that an Indonesian maid was considered a competent witness in our courts."

He also instructed that Abdullah and company were upset that they couldn't just buy their way out of it and pay off the maid. "They didn't understand how that wasn't possible here," Suthers said.

Suthers said that, under Saudi law, four eyewitnesses are needed to prove a rape case. Memo to Suthers: You are the Attorney General of Colorado, not Saudi Arabia. The four witnesses is taken from Islamic law, since Saudi Arabia is a theocracy. We are not. And that should be the end of the story.

Our "friends," the Saudis can't get over Al-Turki's conviction. Saudi state-run media, under King Abdullah's complete control, continues to portray the Saudi slavemaster in America as the victim of a judicial system biased against Muslims.

This is the same judicial system that failed to convict Islamic Jihad frontman Sami Al-Arian, despite six-months worth of overwhelming evidence. The same judicial system that failed to convict Saudi national, Sami Omar Al-Hussayen, of terrorism, despite his creation and oversight of terrorist-related websites calling for planes to fly into buildings . . . well before 9/11.

The same judicial system that agonized for over a year on the fate of Zacarias Moussaoui, and spared his life despite his prior knowledge of the impending murder of 3,000 Americans. The same judicial system that overturned--on the flimsiest of reasons--solid convictions of Al-Qaeda terrorists who comprised the Detroit terror cell. The same judicial system that has now indicted the valiant and innocent prosecutor of that terror cell. The same judicial system that overturned the NSA wiretaps of suspected Al-Qaeda terrorists.


2 Turkeys: Colorado Attorney General John Suthers & Fellow Cooked Bird

If anything that system has bent over backwards in favor of Muslims, to no avail in the Muslim world.

But that's not the point. Our judicial system is not perfect. It is, however, the fairest in the world. And we chose it. We need not apologize for it to anyone, much less the bloated self-anointed king of a totalitarian state. We need not apologize for it to the man from whose country 15 of 19 hijackers emanated.

We have many foreign nationals convicted in America, every single day. But American taxpayers don't send them to foreign lands to "explain" why they were found guilty.

The Saudis understand our legal system very well. They did not just discover America. The Saudi government pays for the best legal eagles for its nationals in America, when they are accused of a crime. The Saudis funded an absurd website comparing Al-Turki to the Statue of Liberty (strangely, the site's English version was removed). This sudden summons of a top American law enforcement official to "explain" is absurd and degrading. More absurd is that U.S. officials complied and went along with the act.

Can you imagine the U.S. sending a state Attorney General to explain to Hitler why we allow Blacks and Jews to serve as witnesses in our courts and why enslaving and raping them for five years is a crime?

In those days, America did not apologize for being a just society. These days, America just apologizes.

Colorado Attorney General Suthers is the latest emblem of those endless apologies to those who hate us. He can write his political epitaph with it.

Tomorrow, it's doubtful Suthers will be eating turkey like the rest of us. He's still digesting all the Saudi crow he consumed.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Philosophy; US: Colorado; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: colorado; debbieschlussel; dhimmitude; eatturkey; homaidancase; injusticesystem; islam; islamofascism; johnsuthers; justice; pcapologies; purplewithrage; saudiarabia; sharia; statedepartment; stockholmsyndrome; stopapologizing
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This should be enough to make every American purple with rage - Colorado's Attorney General traveling on taxpayer dime with State Department connivance, to Saudi Arabia to apologize for the just conviction handed down by a Colorado state court upon Homaidan and Sarah al-Turki, a Saudi couple for false imprisonment and rape of their Indonesian nanny. Apparently, in Suthers' world the nanny and American justice is an afterthought - I'm ashamed Colorado's highest law enforcement official is even an American.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

1 posted on 11/22/2006 7:11:12 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
I'm ashamed Colorado's highest law enforcement official is even an American.

Me, too.

I live in Colorado, and I haven't heard one thing about this.

2 posted on 11/22/2006 7:14:54 AM PST by Red Boots
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To: Red Boots
Looks like he wants the Sharia justice requirements imposed here. I have a question for Suthers: who cares what the Saudis think? This is AMERICA, DUMPKOPF and here our laws prevail!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

3 posted on 11/22/2006 7:17:07 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Red Boots

Me too and I haven't heard about it either.


4 posted on 11/22/2006 7:17:23 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: goldstategop

Suthers is a loser and needs to be run out of office for this piece of stupidity.


5 posted on 11/22/2006 7:18:04 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: jan in Colorado; RandallFlagg; mollynme

Ping your Colorado FRiends.


6 posted on 11/22/2006 7:18:19 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: goldstategop

Hey, how much y'all wanna bet that the U.S. State Department put him up to this?


7 posted on 11/22/2006 7:18:54 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: goldstategop
Link below is form to send messages to John Suthers:

http://www.ago.state.co.us/contact_us.cfm
8 posted on 11/22/2006 7:19:46 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: Red Boots

Please tell me this a-hole Suthers will soon be out of offcie?


9 posted on 11/22/2006 7:20:45 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: Give therapeutic violence a chance!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
The State Department and the Attorney General Of Colorado should all be fired for their affront to American sovereignty!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

10 posted on 11/22/2006 7:21:07 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

"Looks like he wants the Sharia justice requirements imposed here."

Looks like, but are you speaking of the muslim or the Attorney General?


11 posted on 11/22/2006 7:22:18 AM PST by milford421 (U.N. OUT OF U.S.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

http://news.corporate.findlaw.com/ap/o/51/11-17-2006/11a2000a8b3fcd42.html

"Attorney General John Suthers made the trip at the request of the U.S. State Department and met with Saudi King Abdullah, Crown Prince Sultan and relatives of Homaidan Al-Turki, who was convicted in state court in June and sentenced to 28 years to life in prison, Deputy Attorney General Jason Dunn said Friday. The federal government paid for most, if not all, of Suthers' trip, he said."


12 posted on 11/22/2006 7:22:40 AM PST by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
I let that piece of worthless garbage know my feelings.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

13 posted on 11/22/2006 7:24:09 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

Yep! Not surprised! He should have told Condi and the State Department to kiss off!!!!


14 posted on 11/22/2006 7:24:34 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: NavySEAL F-16
Yeah I'm still steamed about the fact we needed to explain American justice to the Saudis. As if its ANY of their damned business!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

15 posted on 11/22/2006 7:25:31 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: milford421
It was hard to tell by his shameless groveling whether Suthers represented Saudi Arabia or whether he represented Colorado.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

16 posted on 11/22/2006 7:28:07 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

17 posted on 11/22/2006 7:30:01 AM PST by meandog (These are the times that try men's souls!)
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To: goldstategop
Interestingly, Ms. Schlussel never tells us what Suthers actually said. The only actual quotes do nothing to make her case, but rather suggest that Suthers did precisely the opposite of what she accuses him of doing.

Here is a summary of what actually happened, and it is (of course) completely different from the wretched screed posted above.

One would almost be willing to call Debbie Schlussel a liar; however, I've seen enough of her stuff by now to simply mark her down as a blathering fool.

18 posted on 11/22/2006 7:31:38 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Rummyfan
Please tell me this a-hole Suthers will soon be out of offcie?

Please do some research on the facts of the case, and then perhaps you'll change your tune -- and be demanding the ouster of Ms. Schlussel, whose article is a work of fiction.

19 posted on 11/22/2006 7:32:50 AM PST by r9etb
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To: goldstategop

I was going to post the obligatory "Bush and Saudi Prince Holding Hands" picture.

Then I thought, 'why bother?' It doesn't even matter any more.

I'm sick of our so-called leaders kissing the hooves of these barbaric desert pigs, but that's simply the way it is---and the way it will always be.

Keep driving those Hummers, morons.


20 posted on 11/22/2006 7:35:29 AM PST by Wormwood (deeply religious non-believer)
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To: Rummyfan
Please tell me this a-hole Suthers will soon be out of offcie?

Well, unfortunately, he is a Republican, who just won re-election with 53 % of the vote, one of the few R's in what was generally a Dem takeover.

21 posted on 11/22/2006 7:36:41 AM PST by Red Boots
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To: goldstategop

This is disgusting.


22 posted on 11/22/2006 7:36:46 AM PST by US_MilitaryRules (Time to eradicated islambs and mooselimbs! GO PTSC)
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To: US_MilitaryRules
This is disgusting

What's disgusting is that Schlussel's article is false.

23 posted on 11/22/2006 7:39:28 AM PST by r9etb
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To: goldstategop

Between this guy Suthers and the uttlerly incompetent Mary Lacy, something appears to be seriously wrong in the state of Colorado.


24 posted on 11/22/2006 7:40:20 AM PST by jpl (Victorious warriors win first, then go to war; defeated warriors go to war first, then seek to win.)
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To: r9etb

What is false about it? Please explain.


25 posted on 11/22/2006 7:42:40 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: goldstategop
I don't see him quoted as "apologizing" for anything - I read his statements as "These guys just don't get it".

It would be interesting to know the diplomatic background of of the trip.

Likely the Saudis were putting a lot of pressure on the State Department; imagine the outrage in the US if the daughter of US Senator was put on trial in Saudi Arabia under the Sharia laws regarding rape and you get some idea of political problems this must be causing the Saudi ruling family.

Perhaps the objective of his visit from the US perspective was to make the point that under US law this was a state matter, and that the US Government could not intervene even if it wished to?

26 posted on 11/22/2006 7:42:42 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: r9etb
Its NONE of the Saudis damn business what goes on in an American court. We are NOT obligated to apply their laws here. Their citizens are supposed to ABIDE by our laws. Which is the point.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

27 posted on 11/22/2006 7:44:23 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
There is a reason why the Constitution speaks of the law of the land, meaning the same law for everybody.
28 posted on 11/22/2006 7:46:07 AM PST by Christopher Lincoln
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Read the link above, and compare it to Ms. Schlussel's description.

Whereas Dear Debbie claims that Suthers apologized for the trial, Suthers himself "believes he sent a message that the U.S. is not the least bit apologetic about our justice system and how it works."

Ms. Schlussel is a liar, or a fool, or both.

29 posted on 11/22/2006 7:46:47 AM PST by r9etb
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
The trip wasn't justified. We're not dhimmis who have to explain to King Abdullah about our laws. Muslims shouldn't receive special treatment just because they live in America. We have a principle called equal treatment under the law and no - it doesn't mean four female witnesses are necessary to prosecute a rape case as mandated under the Sharia.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

30 posted on 11/22/2006 7:46:57 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: r9etb
I'm sure as a good dhimmi he convinced the totalitarian Saudis Muslims don't have it rough in America. Suthers though should really have seen the Saudi justice system first hand. You can be beheaded for converting to Judaism or Christianity and have your right hand amputated for theft.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

31 posted on 11/22/2006 7:49:12 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
Its NONE of the Saudis damn business what goes on in an American court.

Yes, it is. Just as we're concerned about what happens to our citizens as they're tried in foreign courts. We want to make sure they get a fair trial, and the Saudis did likewise. Suthers went (was sent) to Saudi to explain the facts of life to them.

We are NOT obligated to apply their laws here. Their citizens are supposed to ABIDE by our laws. Which is the point.

Indeed, and that was PRECISELY what Suthers told them. Ms. Schlussel's article is false.

32 posted on 11/22/2006 7:49:53 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
You and I have differing ideas about national sovereignty. I feel its completely unnecessary to apologize to foreigners for American justice. You think more explanation would help Americans arrested for breaking foreign laws. I don't think so.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

33 posted on 11/22/2006 7:51:53 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
You're really not interested in the facts of the case, are you? You'd rather just foam at the mouth based on somebody's demonstrably false article. You're acting like .... well, one of these:


34 posted on 11/22/2006 7:53:51 AM PST by r9etb
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To: goldstategop
I feel its completely unnecessary to apologize to foreigners for American justice.

Suthers didn't apologize. Schlussel is lying.

You think more explanation would help Americans arrested for breaking foreign laws. I don't think so.

You don't think ... and that's your problem.

35 posted on 11/22/2006 7:54:56 AM PST by r9etb
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To: goldstategop

These guys pump a good bit of the worlds oil.

We consume a good bit of the world's oil.

We do what we can to keep them happy.

If we want to end our support of their salvery, we need to end our own.


36 posted on 11/22/2006 7:57:11 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: r9etb
Schlussel wrote an "opinion" piece--a column or editorial. The AP story and the TV station story are straight news. The Saudi Royal family have international lawyers that can explain this issue in minute detail. This whole diplomatic effort can be construed as an apology. It's fortunate Mr. Suthers didn't have a Bible sticking out of his coat pocket or he would be in a Saudi jail right now.
37 posted on 11/22/2006 7:58:54 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Schlussel wrote an "opinion" piece--a column or editorial.

Which completely misrepresents what Suthers actually did. She is a liar and/or a fool.

38 posted on 11/22/2006 8:01:03 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
Go ahead with the ad hominem attack. It still doesn't change the fact our judicial system did its job in convicting al Turki and Sarah Homaidan of a crime. We don't need to explain of all people, the Saudis, why a Saudi Muslim couple was found guilty in our courts. More to the point, we don't rush off to other foreign countries to "explain" why their citizens were found guilty.

But that's not the point. Our judicial system is not perfect. It is, however, the fairest in the world. And we chose it. We need not apologize for it to anyone, much less the bloated self-anointed king of a totalitarian state. We need not apologize for it to the man from whose country 15 of 19 hijackers emanated.

We have many foreign nationals convicted in America, every single day. But American taxpayers don't send them to foreign lands to "explain" why they were found guilty.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

39 posted on 11/22/2006 8:01:09 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
If we want to end our support of their slavery, we need to end our own.

Precisely.

Until that happy day, continue to expect our leaders to tug their forelocks and kowtow before the House of Saud.

40 posted on 11/22/2006 8:02:17 AM PST by Wormwood (deeply religious non-believer)
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To: goldstategop

Why don't you get your head out of your a$$ just long enough to actually read what really happened at the link provided above. Are you so dense to not see that the original screed that began this thread is a tissue of lies?


41 posted on 11/22/2006 8:02:30 AM PST by Lucas McCain
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To: Brad from Tennessee
As I can see, an apologetic trip to the Saudis can be justified as just good PR. After all, we do need their oil and wouldn't want to get on their bad side.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

42 posted on 11/22/2006 8:03:13 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
It still doesn't change the fact our judicial system did its job in convicting al Turki and Sarah Homaidan of a crime.

Which is, of course, precisely what Suthers told the Saudis. And yet your undies are still all twisty ... clearly the actual details of the case don't matter to you. That's not an ad hominem attack, it's simply a statement of fact, based on your posts.

43 posted on 11/22/2006 8:05:18 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
What would you call his explanation to the Saudis then? An exercise in public relations? I do think. And I still don't think its our call to have to justify our conduct before the king of a medieval totalitarian state.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

44 posted on 11/22/2006 8:05:37 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

I'd call it a reasonable diplomatic move, in which Suthers appears to have done very well. I know how galling that must be to a keyboard kommando like yourself.


45 posted on 11/22/2006 8:08:35 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
He may may have told them that. But to me its still going hat in hand to "explain" to the Saudis why their citizens were found guilty. Ask yourself how many other countries we dispatch our officials off to to explain the verdicts in our courts.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

46 posted on 11/22/2006 8:08:40 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

The link below is from the U.S. State Department and describes the human rights situation in Saudi Arabia:

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2005/61698.htm


47 posted on 11/22/2006 8:10:14 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: goldstategop
Ask yourself how many other countries we dispatch our officials off to to explain the verdicts in our courts.

Happens pretty regularly, especially in death penalty cases.

48 posted on 11/22/2006 8:10:16 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
That's exactly the kind of diplomacy I depise. I have no interest in America having to grovel before the feet of the nation that supplied 15 of the 19 hijackers that brought us 9/11.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

49 posted on 11/22/2006 8:10:20 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: r9etb
And this was a death penalty case? What made it so urgent Suthers HAD to go, seeing life and limb were not involved?

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

50 posted on 11/22/2006 8:12:07 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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