Skip to comments.Srebrenica atrocities: evidence of US complicity (BARF Alert)
Posted on 11/22/2006 11:38:54 AM PST by kronos77
For years, the role of the United States in conniving with Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic in the destruction of the Bosnian Muslim town of Srebrenica has been shrouded in mystery.
When heavily armed Bosnian Serb nationalists seized the town from Dutch United Nations “peace-keepers” in July 1995, along with expelling tens of thousands of Muslims, they led away 8000 men and boys and slaughtered them in captivity, the largest single massacre in Europe since World War II.
Now the “smoking gun” is being uncovered. Richard Holbrooke, who at the time was assistant secretary of state in the Clinton administration, recently revealed in an interview with French magazine Paris-Match that his initial instructions from US national security adviser Anthony Lake were to sacrifice the three remaining Muslim “enclaves” in East Bosnia — Srebrenica, Zepa and Gorazde — to the Serb nationalists, led by indicted war criminals General Ratko Mladic and Radovan Karadzic.
Holbrooke claims he rejected the instructions, but in the past he has emphasised his rejection only of pressure to abandon Gorazde, leaving the question of the other two unclear — till now.
The same issue of Paris-Match also had an interview with the chief prosecutor of The Hague Yugoslav war crimes tribunal, Carla del Ponte, who claims that Western officials held a meeting with Milosevic, Karadzic and Mladic in 1995, to discuss the plans to seize Srebrenica. She said there were minutes of the meeting and that she knew the names of the officials, but was unable to use this as evidence because they refused to confirm their attendance.
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Ping! And BARF
Holbrook is one of the architects of human tragedy in Balkans.
Where's the Congressional investigation?
Interesting, US troops are allways victimes of US made weapons. talibans are using "Stingers", Iranians are flying F-14s...
Someone needs to tell this lying bozo that the statement was proved false several years ago.
Do you think Clinton knew that the Serbs planned massacres?
The Republicans in Congress probably had access to this knowledge, but refused to act because they were 'playing nice' with the Dem'crats, as a conciliatory move toward the Dem'crats. Should the Dem'crats ever get in a postion of power, went the reasoning, Dem'crats would then reciprocate by not looking too closely at what the Republicans may have done on their watch.
Dem'crats play along in part. Now that they are in charge, this particular series of incidents will be swept entirely under the rug, clearing the field for fresh indictments of Republican malfeasance to be put under close examination.
He could have know much better than Serbs themselves. Why? Because this "massacre" was a hoax to be used as a pretext for massive NATO bombing campaign and following massacre of Serbian Krajina.
muslims were previously massacrated some 3,000 Serb Christians during 2 years of "UN protected demilitarised zone" in Srebrenica, Clinton knew that and by protecting muslim murderers and allowing them to attack neighmoring Serb willages, he knew that Serbs will eventualy erupt in rage.
He just waited, and waited and when Serbs attacked he knew that Serbs will take revenge on Muslims that commited attrocities over their families.
Than he ordered UN to do nothing to either dissarm Muslims, either to stop Serbs.
there you go, instant CNN-type warcrime.
1. Allow Muslims to armthemselves
2. Allow Muslims to murder Christian Serbs
3. Protect Muslimes by UN of military defeat
4. Allow Muslimes to attack and kill even more Serbs using UN "Secured zove" as safehaven for their attacks
5. Leave Muslims to be slaughtered by Serbs when they ged mad enough.
6. Bring CNN to film "Poor innocent Muslimes" when Serbs kill them.
It is called "Constructing a crysiss" or "Orchestrating a civil war".
Ben done before by Abwehr and Gestapo, perfected by KGB and Clintonians...
Rwanda, Bosnia, Kosovo... evry single place in the world.
You have both read more on this than I have.
Both of you see Clinton as a war criminal for bombing the Serbs, but disagree as to whether or not the Serbs massacred 8,000 muslims from Srebrenica.
clinton ALWAYS protected muslim murderers!! Including the ones that killed 3,000 Americans on 9/11! And now he is using his foundation to "integrate" hordes of muslim immigrants into Western societies.
And the evil slimy rat Holbrooke is a real live Gollum!!!!
The army was withdrawn before the Serbs arrived. The top leadership, including commander Naser Oric had left almost 2 months before and didn't bother to return.
This is a picture of him in Tuzla after he'd left Srebrenica.
The rest of the military was ordered out by the brigade commanders on the eve of the fall and they slipped out of the town in darkness to eventually reach Muslim-held territory.
The thousands of Muslim men (estimates from 12,000-18,000) had many miles of Serb territory to travel through. Some were killed in skirmishes and battles on the way and others were killed by mines.
I am not sure what exactly his personal responsibility was. I remember that he was very hesitant to take side against Serbs and that he was put under tremendous pressure for being an Chamberlain like "appeaser" both by Democrats and Republicans.
but disagree as to whether or not the Serbs massacred 8,000 muslims from Srebrenica.
I followed the events around Srebrenica as they were taking place and it was quite obvious that there was a malicious spin and distortion applied, designed to make Serbs look evil.
Start with this: Was the Srebrenica 'Massacre' a Hoax?
Thanks - a lot to read (groan), but I asked for it!
Thanks. Do you also see the "8,000 killed in captivity" story as a hoax?
Massacre-yes, genocide-no If it was organised, planned and executed it was planed by West/NATO/Clinton and let execution to avenging Serb forces. Also bare in mind that Serbs hade conscript troops and most of them were made of locals, therefore seeking vengance against muslims.
read Julia Gorin s article: Remember Srebrenica — a.k.a. ‘So what if we globalized al Qaeda!’
"The widely cited 2002 official Dutch report on Srebrenica seems to confirm the use of such tactics. As BBC.com reported that year, the Dutch Government "pins part of the blame on the Bosnian Muslims themselves, saying the Bosnian army had provoked attacks."
Srebrenica Muslims "ravaged and ransacked neighbouring ethnic Serb villages," continues Kliphuis, "killing and maiming the residents, who were often too old to offer any resistance….The Serb villages were then set on fire." After his role in killing up to 2,000 Serbs, Oric himself fled Srebrenica just before it was stormed by the Bosnian Serb army.
The Serbs evacuated women, children and elderly before the males were killed without being distinguished as civilians or POWs, making Srebrenica a massacre, something the Serbs admit."
And for involment of MI6 in Bosnian war, Pakistani president Perverz Musharaf in his autobiography admits that Brits recruited islamists in london for foghting in Bosni and Kosovo.
James Bond working for Bin laden...
The 1995 Srebrenica massacre of 7,000 Muslim males was inexcusable...
Your author accepts that the Serbs committed the massacre, but places it in context: the Muslims also committed atrocities.
The Bosnian Serb government has admitted the massacre(s) took place, and thoughtfully provided the locations of 30+ remaining secondary and tertiary mass graves which the ICTY's field teams had yet to locate.
Bosnian Serb officers involved in the massacre have elocuted to their part in it, in plea agreements with the ICTY.
Even without Serbs who decided to tell the truth, the evidence at this stage is so overwhelming that it's an embarassment to see folks attempt to deny what happened there.
Alas, as Germans have David Irving, so the Serbs shall have their mini-Irvings.
There was an initial independent report which stated no massacre and found such things as how Muslims killed or missing in skirmishes/battles years before the fall were included as being victims of July 1995.
But after this report came out, they Serbs were forced to rewrite it, and those who didn't agree were fired.
As for the plea agreements with the ICTY, many of those people were ethnic Croats such as Drazen Erdemovic. There was a unit which operated independently and was intially began with no Serbs at all. Only towards the end were Serbs who'd served in the French Foreign Legion added.
It appears they were receiving payments from the French.
I believe they did do some killing of the Muslim on their way to Tuzla, but not in the large numbers they plead to, the agreement to the large numbers is used to bolster the propaganda and lies, and the men in turn get a light sentence and benefits - and that's all they have to serve for their probably crimes in or around Srebrenica.
Drazen Erdemovic is a free man with a new identity because he said what the Hague wanted him to and helped pushed the Srebrenica propaganda.
Even the latest man in the news who is being jailed in the U.S. and claimed to have been involved in the Srebrenica massacre is a Croat who was part of Drazen Erdemovic's group.
The group was so independent, and Erdemovic served in the Bosnian Muslim army and then with the Croats before. I don't see any proof that they were controlled or paid by the Serbs.
BOSTON, Nov. 21 (UPI) -- A U.S. court jailed a Bosnian Croat immigrant for five years for providing false information about his role in the 1992-95 Bosnian war, Serbian media said.
The court in Boston on Monday sentenced Marko Boskic, 41, to five years and three months in prison for keeping secret his participation in Bosnian Serb units that reportedly massacred some 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys at Srebrenica in July 1995, the Serbian news agency Beta reported Tuesday.
Boskic lived in Peabody, Mass., and was arrested in August 2004, on charges he lied on his application for refugee status and permanent residence.
Boskic claimed he was detained in a concentration camp held by Bosnian Serbs, who threatened to kill him if he did not take part in the Srebrenica massacre, Beta said.
U.S. authorities said after serving his prison time, Boskic could be deported to Bosnia-Herzegovina, where a district court in the northern town of Tuzla has begun investigating his role in the Srebrenica massacre, the report said.
I wondered how long it will take you to notice this thread, Hoppie. I was even think about pinging you. Do you know how Fusion is doing?
What an odd question.
And the Balkan Miulims have you Hoplite, to cover, lie or excuse whatever they have done, are doing or ever will do!
This 8 minute video, secretagent, pretty much tells you who the players were so that you can see it with your own eyes. This was what we in the West were not told about during the Bosnian war. SkyNews Report
By whom? Can you please provide me with a source?
World Court? Where do we start? With Clinton?
There you go - when caught in your own lie, simply lie about the person who caught you lying.
Brilliant tactic. No wonder the Serbs are so far ahead these days.
Okay, if what you say is true, why the secondary graves, such as the one in the vicinity of Zeleni Jadar? War is brutal, everyone understands that. If they were combatants, why dig up the bodies buried in the vicinity of Kravica, Glogova, etc. and re-bury them around Zeleni Jadar, south of Srebrenica?
See my link in post #18.
Most of those graves are claimed BEFORE anyone has been identified and many of the bodies they've dug up haven't been identified for years.
There were also mass executions of Serbs in the area in WWI and WWII and I've read 80% of the bodies are completely skeletized. How could you automatically rule out bodies from WWI, WWII and other massacres - including ones carried out during the war before the fall of Srebrenica?
They do not give us the autopsy reports along with any names they've identified so they could be including those who died from battle or mines, not execution style.
What are you smoking Hopeless? Did you see a single post from me on this thread -- other than the one calling you a "Muslim apologist"? Stick to catching flies with your tongue, because you've never "caught me" at anything, let alone "lying".
And I AM AN AMERICAN, you moron. How many times do I have to say that to you before you get it? I am fullblooded Montenegrin, but my family has been over here since the early 20th century. I don't have to justify a damn thing about the break-up of Yugoslavia to defend anyone.
It was a mistake for the US to ever have gotten involved in the break up of Yugoslavia back in the 1990's and it is even a bigger -- and less excusable -- mistake today for us to be defending Muslims in that part of the world. If there was any doubt about how stupid our involvement in defending Bosnian Muslims was, we got a "thank you card" from Muslims on 9/11!
The communist Yugoslav government, for instance, prevented research and digging up of Serbs killed in Bosnia and Croatia by the Ustasha and Muslims (Muslims did join the Ustasha - particularly in eastern Bosnia).
Here of photos of Austrians killing Serbs and they have blindfolds in both cases and those being hanged had their hands tied behind their backs.
Austrians started massacring (hanging) Serbian peasants all around their military bases in Bosnia after the assassination of their Archduke.
Some claim the bodies dug up have peasant clothing - but Srebrenica Muslims wore mostly modern clothing - jeans, T-shirts, etc.
On the other hand, you can see in the photos below the people all wore peasant clothing.
Do you not comprehend that that was the one I was referring to?
Obviously not - I expect too much from you.
If you're not a Serb, then why do you spend so much time and energy lying on their behalf?
Uh-oh. Should I include an instruction manual with this post for you?
My relatives came from that part of the world and I studied it long before most Americans knew what continent Bosnia was on. I knew the people, the history and the politics before the PR whores were hired and the propaganda started. I feel obligated to share what I know, because I know the truth -- not the MSM, or hired version of it.
A better question would be, given that you have stated that you have "no Balkan blood" or "personal connection", why in the hell do spend so much time & energy tracking down every Balkan thread to play the troll? You behavior is just plain bizarre and completely inconsistent with who you say you are and why you say you are here.
Your truth and the objective truth are two very different things.
Take this thread, for example - here we have the Serbs yet again making lying asses of themselves, and instead of trying to dissuade the foolishness, you're right in the middle of it.
As to my interest, as I've stated on many occasions, it is the same as America's interest - and if America's interests conflict with Serbia's, as has happened so often in the recent past, then I'm not going to sit idly by while you and yours lie and misrepresent events to make it look as if America should be pursuing Serbia's interests rather than it's own.
Happily, it's getting to the point where American interests in the region can soon be met by simply ignoring Serbia if it chooses to play the fool.
It's all good.
No, you hear about the anti-Irvings whom the government prosecutes for soiling the national honor or some other such nonsense.
If you want to make yourself useful, slap some sense into the Srebrenica denial crowd hereabouts.
A Happy Thanksgiving to all of you!
And if you are still looking for "a turkey", I'm sure that Hoplite will be trolling around here tomorrow with no where else to go. Just post anything with the keyword "Serb" and he'll show up like the gobbling idiot he is.
You could start by not playing stupid.
["You could start by not playing stupid."]
I'm sorry, but I'm not following you.
there were not 8,000 massacred. They are correct. The Muslims were Jihaders from Afghanistan and also combatants from the Balkans. After the Soviets left Afghanistan, our trained Mujhadeen 8,000-10,000 or so, was put in Bosnia to aid in their "independence" declaration and Jihad against Serbs. Serbs naturally reacted to protect their union, and did so somewhat heavy handed, granted. Look up operation storm with Ceku as well........(Croatia).
CIA worked with ISI, Turkish Intelligence and Saudi Intelligence to make this happen long story short. So, around 1993, the CIA asked the ISI to divert part of the dregs of the HUM and HUJI to Bosnia to help the Muslims there. The funding was supplied by the Saudi Intel. The Arms and Ammo, were reportedly given by the Iranian Intell. and the leadership provided by the serving and retired Officers of the ISI and Turkish intell. Reference the dayview of Omar Sheikh as the "Bosnian Bin Laden". Now it gets real interesting. :) Cohen and company at some point afterwards started claiming 100,000 Kosovar Albanians massacred in Kosovo. So, was this a lie or a complete intelligence failure...because not long after, the number went down to 10,000. Then, when escavations were done in 1999, they could only find 2,108 bodies, and in one grave was 22 massacred Serbs. The other bodies are in question as to whether they were victims of NATO bombing, killed by their very own KLA, or Serbs......From Bosnia a large number of the dregs were diverted to Kosovo by the CIA. I know for a fact as I was there for five years....ie....official report that was an interest of the Russians and myself was the 12 Chechens allowed through Pristina Airport without being checked and they disappeared....one of many such incidents. I held for a long time the "mean ole Serbs" murdering 8,000 muslims in cold blood, rape camps...blah blah blah....where are the bodies....?? and, if you read, Peter Brock. "Media Cleansing; Dirty Reporting", you will find that there were no rape camps relating to genocide....etc....unless something pops up in the next few years or they fabricate another mass grave, where are the bodies. I submit, five thousand or so went to kosovo, Croatia, and Macedonia..to fight instead of being dead in Srebrenica.
Thanks for the ping. I see that they are trying to pump up the "BS" about 8,000 led to their death. People not knowing the truth will still actually believe this. Dredging this up, makes me think that we are getting ready to pull some more BS off, relative to fostering support for Kosovo independence......and further covert operations in Southern Presevo, NORTH MITROVICA and Macedonia. It's coming...more BS from our side.
["Cohen and company at some point afterwards started claiming 100,000 Kosovar Albanians massacred in Kosovo. So, was this a lie or a complete intelligence failure...because not long after, the number went down to 10,000."]
You are correct.