Srebrenica atrocities: evidence of US complicity (BARF Alert)

http://www.greenleft.org.au/2006/691/35888 ^

[kronos77]

For years, the role of the United States in conniving with Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic in the destruction of the Bosnian Muslim town of Srebrenica has been shrouded in mystery.

When heavily armed Bosnian Serb nationalists seized the town from Dutch United Nations “peace-keepers” in July 1995, along with expelling tens of thousands of Muslims, they led away 8000 men and boys and slaughtered them in captivity, the largest single massacre in Europe since World War II.

Now the “smoking gun” is being uncovered. Richard Holbrooke, who at the time was assistant secretary of state in the Clinton administration, recently revealed in an interview with French magazine Paris-Match that his initial instructions from US national security adviser Anthony Lake were to sacrifice the three remaining Muslim “enclaves” in East Bosnia — Srebrenica, Zepa and Gorazde — to the Serb nationalists, led by indicted war criminals General Ratko Mladic and Radovan Karadzic.

Holbrooke claims he rejected the instructions, but in the past he has emphasised his rejection only of pressure to abandon Gorazde, leaving the question of the other two unclear — till now.

The same issue of Paris-Match also had an interview with the chief prosecutor of The Hague Yugoslav war crimes tribunal, Carla del Ponte, who claims that Western officials held a meeting with Milosevic, Karadzic and Mladic in 1995, to discuss the plans to seize Srebrenica. She said there were minutes of the meeting and that she knew the names of the officials, but was unable to use this as evidence because they refused to confirm their attendance.

[kronos77]

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/julia/gorin_2005_07_11.php3?printer_friendly

[secretagent]

Thanks. From your link:

The 1995 Srebrenica massacre of 7,000 Muslim males was inexcusable...

Your author accepts that the Serbs committed the massacre, but places it in context: the Muslims also committed atrocities.

[Hoplite]

Meanwhile, back in the real world:

The Bosnian Serb government has admitted the massacre(s) took place, and thoughtfully provided the locations of 30+ remaining secondary and tertiary mass graves which the ICTY's field teams had yet to locate.

Bosnian Serb officers involved in the massacre have elocuted to their part in it, in plea agreements with the ICTY.

Even without Serbs who decided to tell the truth, the evidence at this stage is so overwhelming that it's an embarassment to see folks attempt to deny what happened there.

Alas, as Germans have David Irving, so the Serbs shall have their mini-Irvings.

[joan]

The Bosnian Serb government was selected and threatened by Paddy Ashdown until they agreed to everything the international community said. It was not an independent report.

There was an initial independent report which stated no massacre and found such things as how Muslims killed or missing in skirmishes/battles years before the fall were included as being victims of July 1995.

But after this report came out, they Serbs were forced to rewrite it, and those who didn't agree were fired.

As for the plea agreements with the ICTY, many of those people were ethnic Croats such as Drazen Erdemovic. There was a unit which operated independently and was intially began with no Serbs at all. Only towards the end were Serbs who'd served in the French Foreign Legion added.

It appears they were receiving payments from the French.

I believe they did do some killing of the Muslim on their way to Tuzla, but not in the large numbers they plead to, the agreement to the large numbers is used to bolster the propaganda and lies, and the men in turn get a light sentence and benefits - and that's all they have to serve for their probably crimes in or around Srebrenica.

Drazen Erdemovic is a free man with a new identity because he said what the Hague wanted him to and helped pushed the Srebrenica propaganda.

Even the latest man in the news who is being jailed in the U.S. and claimed to have been involved in the Srebrenica massacre is a Croat who was part of Drazen Erdemovic's group.

The group was so independent, and Erdemovic served in the Bosnian Muslim army and then with the Croats before. I don't see any proof that they were controlled or paid by the Serbs.

U.S. court jails Bosnian Croat immigrant

BOSTON, Nov. 21 (UPI) -- A U.S. court jailed a Bosnian Croat immigrant for five years for providing false information about his role in the 1992-95 Bosnian war, Serbian media said.

The court in Boston on Monday sentenced Marko Boskic, 41, to five years and three months in prison for keeping secret his participation in Bosnian Serb units that reportedly massacred some 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys at Srebrenica in July 1995, the Serbian news agency Beta reported Tuesday.

Boskic lived in Peabody, Mass., and was arrested in August 2004, on charges he lied on his application for refugee status and permanent residence.

Boskic claimed he was detained in a concentration camp held by Bosnian Serbs, who threatened to kill him if he did not take part in the Srebrenica massacre, Beta said.

U.S. authorities said after serving his prison time, Boskic could be deported to Bosnia-Herzegovina, where a district court in the northern town of Tuzla has begun investigating his role in the Srebrenica massacre, the report said.

[A. Pole]

I wondered how long it will take you to notice this thread, Hoppie. I was even think about pinging you. Do you know how Fusion is doing?

[Hoplite]

Do you know how Fusion is doing?

What an odd question.

[Bokababe]

"Alas, as Germans have David Irving, so the Serbs shall have their mini-Irvings."

And the Balkan Miulims have you Hoplite, to cover, lie or excuse whatever they have done, are doing or ever will do!

This 8 minute video, secretagent, pretty much tells you who the players were so that you can see it with your own eyes. This was what we in the West were not told about during the Bosnian war. SkyNews Report

[Terabitten]

Someone needs to tell this lying bozo that the statement was proved false several years ago.

By whom? Can you please provide me with a source?

[John Lenin]

World Court? Where do we start? With Clinton?

[Hoplite]

And the Balkan Miulims have you Hoplite, to cover, lie or excuse whatever they have done, are doing or ever will do!

There you go - when caught in your own lie, simply lie about the person who caught you lying.

Brilliant tactic. No wonder the Serbs are so far ahead these days.

[Terabitten]

The thousands of Muslim men (estimates from 12,000-18,000) had many miles of Serb territory to travel through. Some were killed in skirmishes and battles on the way and others were killed by mines.

Okay, if what you say is true, why the secondary graves, such as the one in the vicinity of Zeleni Jadar? War is brutal, everyone understands that. If they were combatants, why dig up the bodies buried in the vicinity of Kravica, Glogova, etc. and re-bury them around Zeleni Jadar, south of Srebrenica?

[getoffmylawn]

See my link in post #18.

[joan]

Those "secondary graves" are likely Serbs killed in those very areas. Serbs didn't have the fuel or manpower to kills thousands, bury them, dig them up and then ship them 30 miles etc. outside of Srebrenica and rebury them - and all with the UN, foreign reporters, and others all around.

Most of those graves are claimed BEFORE anyone has been identified and many of the bodies they've dug up haven't been identified for years.

There were also mass executions of Serbs in the area in WWI and WWII and I've read 80% of the bodies are completely skeletized. How could you automatically rule out bodies from WWI, WWII and other massacres - including ones carried out during the war before the fall of Srebrenica?

They do not give us the autopsy reports along with any names they've identified so they could be including those who died from battle or mines, not execution style.

[Bokababe]

"There you go - when caught in your own lie....."

What are you smoking Hopeless? Did you see a single post from me on this thread -- other than the one calling you a "Muslim apologist"? Stick to catching flies with your tongue, because you've never "caught me" at anything, let alone "lying".

And I AM AN AMERICAN, you moron. How many times do I have to say that to you before you get it? I am fullblooded Montenegrin, but my family has been over here since the early 20th century. I don't have to justify a damn thing about the break-up of Yugoslavia to defend anyone.

It was a mistake for the US to ever have gotten involved in the break up of Yugoslavia back in the 1990's and it is even a bigger -- and less excusable -- mistake today for us to be defending Muslims in that part of the world. If there was any doubt about how stupid our involvement in defending Bosnian Muslims was, we got a "thank you card" from Muslims on 9/11!

[joan]

How do you know those bodies discovered far from Srebrenica aren't really those of more local inhabitants who'd been killed during any of the 20th century wars.

The communist Yugoslav government, for instance, prevented research and digging up of Serbs killed in Bosnia and Croatia by the Ustasha and Muslims (Muslims did join the Ustasha - particularly in eastern Bosnia).

Here of photos of Austrians killing Serbs and they have blindfolds in both cases and those being hanged had their hands tied behind their backs.

Austrians started massacring (hanging) Serbian peasants all around their military bases in Bosnia after the assassination of their Archduke.

Some claim the bodies dug up have peasant clothing - but Srebrenica Muslims wore mostly modern clothing - jeans, T-shirts, etc.

On the other hand, you can see in the photos below the people all wore peasant clothing.

[Hoplite]

Did you see a single post from me on this thread -- other than the one calling you a "Muslim apologist"?

Do you not comprehend that that was the one I was referring to?

Obviously not - I expect too much from you.

If you're not a Serb, then why do you spend so much time and energy lying on their behalf?

Uh-oh. Should I include an instruction manual with this post for you?

[LjubivojeRadosavljevic]

["The Serbs evacuated women, children and elderly before the males were killed without being distinguished as civilians or POWs, making Srebrenica a massacre, something the Serbs admit." ]

["Alas, as Germans have David Irving, so the Serbs shall have their mini-Irvings."]

Hold on here, there's a big difference Hoplite - more specifically the word "Genocide."

In other words, why would Gen. Mladic et al. have ordered women out of the area if the intent was to commit Genocide?

See my point?

[Hoplite]

So the Ustashe expelling a third of their Serbs exonerates them as well.

Tra-la-la.

[Bokababe]

"If you're not a Serb, then why do you spend so much time and energy... on their behalf?"

My relatives came from that part of the world and I studied it long before most Americans knew what continent Bosnia was on. I knew the people, the history and the politics before the PR whores were hired and the propaganda started. I feel obligated to share what I know, because I know the truth -- not the MSM, or hired version of it.

A better question would be, given that you have stated that you have "no Balkan blood" or "personal connection", why in the hell do spend so much time & energy tracking down every Balkan thread to play the troll? You behavior is just plain bizarre and completely inconsistent with who you say you are and why you say you are here.

[LjubivojeRadosavljevic]

["So the Ustashe expelling a third of their Serbs exonerates them as well."]

Rather than refer to Croats and Serbs, I would say a better reference to the word "Genocide" could ostensibly be made in terms of what the Turks did to the Armenians in 1915-16. You don't hear about any Irvings in Turkey.