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Srebrenica atrocities: evidence of US complicity (BARF Alert)
http://www.greenleft.org.au/2006/691/35888 ^

Posted on 11/22/2006 11:38:54 AM PST by kronos77

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To: moonman
"...along with expelling tens of thousands of Muslims." Srebrenica only had 17,000 inhabitants at the time.
51 posted on 11/23/2006 4:46:48 AM PST by Banat (DEO ?? REGI ?? PATRI?? | http://degaullist.wordpress.com)
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To: Hoplite

So then, Hoplite, care to explain this?

The ICTY's story is that about 6,000 Srebrenica men surrendered a couple of days after the fall of the town when their column was cut off by VRS along the Nova Kasaba to Konjevic Polje road. They were, according to you and the ICTY, then executed. Now, everyone agrees that the 28th division evaded the VRS and got across the Nova Kasaba to Konjevic Polje road before it was sealed by the VRS. It was the civilian, second half of the column that got trapped. However, the 28th division lost about 40% of it's men on this huge, almost 100km trek behind enemy lines. Care to explain this 40% casualty rate?

Neither you, nor the ICTY, can.


52 posted on 11/23/2006 5:28:54 AM PST by infidel_pride
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To: Terabitten

http://www.srebrenica-report.com/


53 posted on 11/23/2006 5:30:36 AM PST by Banat (DEO ?? REGI ?? PATRI?? | http://degaullist.wordpress.com)
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To: Hoplite

So you finally admit your support of the Nazi atrocities against the Serbs!

Why am I not surprised?


54 posted on 11/23/2006 5:44:09 AM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Hoplite; secretagent
The Bosnian Serb government has admitted the massacre(s) took place...

Of course, this required that Paddy Ashdown remove any Serb from the Bosnian Serb Republic government who refuted the Srebrenica propaganda based upon the actual evidence. Once the so-called Serb leadership had been reduced to a group unwilling to stand up to NATO, they "admitted" the phony 8,000 casualties as being real.

secretagent, Hoplite is a devout support of the Muslim Jihad, particularly in the Balkans. Ignoring anything that he say is a good idea (except when decency requires one to prove him a liar, of course).

55 posted on 11/23/2006 5:50:07 AM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: FormerLib

And don't forget that Jeremy "Paddy" Ashdown perjured himself when he testified at the Hague, against Milosevic.

He was trumpeted by the prosecution as being an ace eye witness to evil Serb behaviour. The only problem was his account meant

a) he'd have to have X ray ability as hills, mountains, etc were blocking his view

b) he was in the WRONG COUNTRY. He first claimed he was on the Albanian side of the border, but later changed his testimony, claiming that he'd accidentally wandered into Serbia.

c) Britain's finest don't know how to use a compass. Oh dear, those images of James Bond saving the world are taking another knock.

The guy's got zero credibility. Though he does love his dear wife, Mary. As he keeps on informing us. Which is sweet.


56 posted on 11/23/2006 6:10:23 AM PST by infidel_pride
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To: secretagent; joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ..
Also, in same time another Muslim stronghold some 15 km from Srebrenica, Zepa, (Zhepa) was attacked by Serbs. This time, Muslims from Zepa, entire brigade, crossed Drina river into Serbia, to surender to Serbia authorities and claim political assylum. They were held (several hunderts of them) at immigrant camp and they refused to get back to bosnia when Muslim leader Alija Izetbegovic called them back, instead, they went to germany as refugees.

Now look at those two articles, first is written by IWPR, aleftist-anti war organisation, Soros.Founded. Now, allthoug it repeats a number of 8,000 killed in Srebrenica, look at the testemony of Muslim ey-soldier when he descrives that they have surrendert their women and childern to their mortall enemy-Serbs and they, fighting muslim men, ran to Serbia to avoid being captured:

"Most men of fighting age, aware of the slaughter of their counterparts in Srebrenica, had split into groups and melted into the forests around the enclave. The larger group headed for Kladanj. About 800 swam across the Drina into Serbia, accompanied by some of the women and children, where an uncertain fate awaited them.

Omanovic was 13 when he escaped to Serbia. "The women, children and old were evacuated (by Serbs) to Kladanj thanks to Palic while the men ran through the forests," he recalled. "Once there they loaded us onto buses and trucks and took us into camps, where they beat, abused and starved us." Omanovic and most people in his group remained in camps in Mitrovo Polje and Sljivovica in Serbia for six months."

http://www.iwpr.net/?apc_state=hsrfbcr257086&l=en&s=f&o=257087

Secon article is written in time of Srebrenica and Zepa events, in 1995 it states:

"During the last week of July, Muslims from Zepa and Srebrenica increasingly frequently crossed into the FR of Yugoslavia in the 120 km long Bajina Basta border with Bosnia area. Reliable sources say these people further sought refuge across the Drina in three directions. The first is south, over the mountain ranges Tara and Zlatibor, toward Sandzak. Most of the people were found in this corridor and brought in to the border authorities. The second direction heads east: from Bajina Basta, through Uzice or Cacak, to Macedonia. The third route taken by Muslims fleeing Eastern Bosnia is northward, from Bajina Basta and Ljubovija, through Valjevo, to Belgrade and Vojvodina. There are no precise data about how many of the refugees have managed to pass the first control line along the Drina, but it is no secret that over a thousand citizens of Zepa and Srebrenica have passed through these corridors in Serbia.

There is no doubt that the Bosnian Serb authorities already had a scenario of "sending" the Srebrenica population to Serbia. To that aim, the Srebrenica population was recommended by megaphones or leaflets to save themselves: either by giving up on the road to Bratunac, by taking the corridor toward Tuzla and Kladanj, or by crossing the Drina, where, allegedly, the safety of all innocent civilians was guaranteed. The speed with which the troops on the right bank of the Drina reacted testifies that there is some truth in this: the Yugoslav Army border units received special instructions and warnings of the upcoming crossings in mid-July. The first groups that crossed the Drina were uncovered in three ways: they gave themselves up to the army and police in Serbia, they called to the army on the Bosnian bank, or they were arrested in Cacak, Pozega, Valjevo and Uzice. Such crossings lasted the whole second half of July and became increasingly frequent late last week. When news of these events spread, the border authorities and the Interior Ministry, Illegal Crossing Department organized an evacuation of the people fleeing Bosnia. There is no reliable information about where the people during the July 20-30 period have been evacuated, and they are estimated to number 120. They are presumed to have been deported to the Bosnian Serb Republic, whose authorities have expressed extreme interest in and craving for Zepa and Srebrenica runaways.

The latest wave of Drina-crossing took place in the night of July 30-31. A total of 501 Muslim civilians crossed into Serbia in groups of between 5 and 20 people (until the day this article was written). These people are in a horrible state, exhausted and drained. Before heading for the Drina, they spent several weeks wandering the woods round Srebrenica and Zepa. Most of them swam the Drina between Zepa and the village of Jagostica on Serbia's side. Yugoslav Army border units and Interior Ministry services interrogated them and sent them to collective centers. No one expected that the invasion of Muslim civilians fleeing across the Drina would reach such proportions until Tuesday, (August 1), when their number reached 500. Then, in the late afternoon, a political and RTV of Serbia delegations landed in a chopper on the spot, in the remote village of Jagostica. The refugees were visited by Refugee Commissioner Bratislava Buba Morina, who was accompanied by the Health Minister and International Red Cross representatives. This delegation made a "publicity" visit to the refugees in Mitrovac on Tara and the RTV of Serbia cameras shot the statements of "Alija's misled soldiers who trust Serbia and its leadership". At the same time, journalists were forbidden to work in and visit this region.

By the time this article was sent in (Wednesday, 5:30 P.M.), news arrived that all the Muslims that fled to Serbia have been taken to and accommodated in Branesko Polje near Uzice and that all of them are "protected" by the Serbian Internal Ministry."

http://www.scc.rutgers.edu/serbian_digest/201/t201-4.htm

Now a digest is folowing:

1. Serbs attacked and crished defence of Srebrenica and zepa.
2. Serbs negotiated safe evacuation of women and children from Srebrenica and Zepa.
3. Muslims, for some reasons, are SURRENDERING THEIR FAMILIES TO THEIR MORTAL ENEMIES, THE SERBS.
4. Muslim fighters are affraid of being captured my Serbs.
5. Muslim Fighters are either executed, like in Srebrenica, either in attempt to brake-trought to tuzla, or surrendered to Serbian (Yugoslav) forces.

Now my questions is following.

1. Why the hell Muslims were surrendering their women and children to Serbs, trusting them, while, they themselves were mortally afraid to surrender to the Serbs?
2. Is it that Muslims knew that Serbs wont take vengance on civilians? Was it maybe cause Muslim soldiers knew that there IS the reason for Serbs to take vengeance on THEM?
3. Milosevic was proclaimed "Butcher of Balkans" and evil person, and Serbia accused that it hade plan to commit genocide over Muslims YET, Muslims fighters from Bosnia Zepa choosed
- Not to surrender to Serbs
- Not to try to brake trough to Muslim held-land
- But to go to Milosevics Serbia and claim assylum!

Something don't fit right!
57 posted on 11/23/2006 7:58:15 AM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: secretagent

Also, the same IWPR dont know number of killed muslims in Srebrenica:

"In the days that followed the fall of Srebenica on July 11, Serb forces under General Ratko Mladic executed about 8,000 Bosniak men and boys."

http://www.iwpr.net/?apc_state=hsrfbcr257086&l=en&s=f&o=257087

"The bodies of victims were thrown into mass graves, which are still being exhumed. Only around 1,000 of the 6,500 so far uncovered have been identified."

http://www.iwpr.net/?p=bcr&s=f&o=156028&apc_state=henibcr2003


58 posted on 11/23/2006 8:06:01 AM PST by kronos77 (-www.savekosovo.org- and -www.kosovo.net- Save Kosovo from Islam!)
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To: infidel_pride

don't forget about the ones that went to Kosovo to join and fight with the KLA, UCPMB later....and eventually NLA...


59 posted on 11/23/2006 8:10:08 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Hoplite; Bokababe

I guess one could say, "If you're not a Serb hater, then why do you spend so much time and energy lying about them?"


60 posted on 11/23/2006 10:50:51 AM PST by F-117A
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To: tgambill

Sure, tg. My point, which I didn't really clearly explain well was that the ICTY's logic doesn't make any sense at all.

Their story is that nearly all of the so called "executed" muslims gave themselves up a couple of days after the fall of the town, and they came from the second half of the column.

However, the ABiH have been telling everyone that their 28th division lost about 40% casualties on the breakthrough attempt.

( Note: I always use the term "breakout/ breakthrough" and not "fleeing" as nearly all Dhimmi press reports use. This was a highly organised military manoeuvre on behalf of the muslims that threatened the entire rear of the VRS lines and also Zvornik )

So how do the ICTY explain this 40% casualty rate IF they didn't give themselves up? Remember, it was the 2ND half of the column that was stranded and not the 28th division which made up the front of the column.

That's right, the only answer is the 28th Div lost their men through ambushes, infighting, mines, artillery, starvation, etc.

i.e. It was no war crime.

This 40% casualty rate should also be applied to the civilian section of the column ( in fact the civilian muslims suffered far worse than the Division in the ambushes, etc ).

Take 40% of the approximately 15,000 who made up the column an we come to about 6,000.

That means, the ICTY themselves account for nearly all the missing through legitimate deaths and not war crimes.

Even the ITCY's own reasoning shows that the missing were NOT killed by VRS in war crimes but died the kind of death found in any war.


61 posted on 11/23/2006 11:43:26 PM PST by infidel_pride
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To: Hoplite
["If you want to make yourself useful, "]

I'm sorry Hoplite I forgot to mention how I'm useful:

Let's see, I'm looking at my Curriculum Vitae and I see articles published where I'm FIRST author in the following journals:

Journal of the American Statistical Association
Biometrika
Psychometrika
Journal of Statistical Software
Journal of Educational and Behavioral Statistics
Computational Statistics and Data Analysis
Communications in Statistics-Theory and Methods
The Australian and New Zealand Journal of Statistics
Journal of Statistical Computation and Simulation

Now, I have 85 publications so, now, I think I'm making myself useful...except when I have to listen to dumb people.
62 posted on 11/23/2006 11:48:22 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

You're no schmuck.


63 posted on 11/24/2006 12:12:59 AM PST by infidel_pride
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To: infidel_pride

I'm trying to teach Hoplite a little lesson.


64 posted on 11/24/2006 12:19:00 AM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic

Rather optimistic of you.


65 posted on 11/24/2006 12:26:40 AM PST by infidel_pride
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic
You seem to think I should care about your professional and educational achievements.

I care about as much for yours as I do Vojislav Seselj's.

Which is to say they're irrelevant if you make a fool of yourself.

66 posted on 11/24/2006 6:44:15 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
Kind of a funny statement from you considering you peddle your less than illustrious "military" career as some sort of credibility meter. In comparison to Ljubo's credentials, you are about as credible as OJ.
67 posted on 11/24/2006 8:16:02 AM PST by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: montyspython
you peddle your less than illustrious "military" career as some sort of credibility meter

Feel free to cite the posts where I do this.

You're the one who's obsessed with my military service, not me.

Neither my prior service nor LR's academic and professional credentials have any bearing upon the subject at hand.

68 posted on 11/24/2006 9:41:11 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite
["Neither my prior service nor LR's academic and professional credentials have any bearing upon the subject at hand."]

It does.

More specifically, it does very little good for either you or I to disparage each other. Little progress is made.
69 posted on 11/24/2006 11:29:42 PM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: Hoplite
I care about as much for yours as I do Vojislav Seselj's

Showing you disrespect for lawyers again I see, which is especially infra dig behavior when it comes to one who so esteemed that he was invited to teach at a certain institution located in a suburb of Detroit, one so august that it only allows within its quad the most gleaming jewels of the guild, or those whom aspire to join it. For shame!

70 posted on 11/25/2006 9:20:19 AM PST by Torie
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To: kronos77

A conspiracy by Albright, Holbrook and Wesley "Slithery" Clark, to intimidate and provoke the Chinese into providing more illegal funds to the Clinton Admninistration or another Chinese Emabssy would be bombed.:~)


71 posted on 11/25/2006 9:26:07 AM PST by Gideon Reader ("The quiet gentleman sitting in the corner sipping Kenya AA and enjoying his Stan Getz CD's".)
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To: Torie
Vojislav Seselj, circa 1991,
looking for Ohio State supporters.
"Go Blue!"

72 posted on 11/25/2006 10:03:03 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Hmmn, all those foreign cars, even in the belly of the auto city beast. No wonder Detroit is in trouble.</p>


73 posted on 11/25/2006 10:15:23 AM PST by Torie
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To: Hoplite

Let's get it right.

It's OHOWIHATEOHIOSTATE.

Or, in another way we would ask; "How do you get from Ann Arbor to Columbus?"

Answer: "Drive south until you smell it and then drive east until you step in it."


74 posted on 11/26/2006 2:11:11 AM PST by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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