Posted on 11/22/2006 5:53:54 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
Hinrichs' Brother Made Alleged Threat
(AP) COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. -- A man whose brother blew himself up outside the University of Oklahoma's packed football stadium last year has been arrested on suspicion of threatening to assault an FBI agent in Colorado.
The FBI said Thomas Carlisle Hinrichs, 25, of Colorado Springs made the threat last week after he was arrested by police for allegedly assaulting his father. The FBI also said the younger Hinrichs had been under investigation for allegedly threatening the government.
Hinrichs was being held Wednesday in the El Paso County jail.
His brother, Joel "Joe" Henry Hinrichs III, died Oct. 1, 2005, when a bomb he was carrying went off outside the University of Oklahoma football stadium in Norman, Okla., during a game FBI investigators concluded he was not a terrorists but did not speculate on whether he triggered the explosion intentionally. His father has said Joel Hinrichs was severely depressed.
Thomas Hinrichs was arrested Nov. 15 in Colorado Springs after his father, Thomas Hinrichs Sr., told police the younger man had assaulted him. Thomas Hinrichs Sr. had no listed phone number and could not be reached Wednesday.
Police who arrested the younger Hinrichs said he had a Romanian-made assault rifle, ammunition, a military helmet, a ballistic vest, a knife, knee pads, a flashlight and other gear in his car and was carrying another knife.
The younger Hinrichs told a Colorado Springs officer he had the rifle because of an FBI agent named Todd, the FBI said in an affidavit filed Tuesday in Denver federal court. The agent's last name was not listed.
Hinrichs also told the officer the FBI had harassed him and then became agitated and screamed "I will settle it," the FBI document said.
He later told FBI investigators he had abandoned the idea of killing the agent, the document said.
The FBI said it had opened its domestic terrorism investigation of the younger Thomas Hinrichs the day after his brother's death but closed it six months later after determining he hadn't made any specific threats. It was not clear why the investigation was opened.
The investigation was reopened in August 2006 after the younger Hinrichs left a telephone message with the FBI saying he was angry at the federal government and blaming schools for his brother's death, the FBI affidavit said. He left a second message in October saying "I will ... bury you, do you understand, I will bury you," the affidavit said.
Hinrichs was being held in lieu of $25,000 bond on the charge of assaulting his father but cannot be released on bail because of the federal charge, jail officials said.
A spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office in Denver did not immediately return a call.
BUMP
Neverending story.
bump for publicity
Good post. I think there's a ping list somewhere for folks following this story. Not sure who to ping, though.
Same surnames so Thomas' brother is Joe III. Thomas father should be Joe II. BUT...
Thomas Hinrichs was arrested Nov. 15 in Colorado Springs after his father, Thomas Hinrichs Sr
It's not? What the hell?
He legally changed his name for the same reason relatives of Hitler had.
Knee pads? Flashlight? And the significance of these are?
Sounds like the whole family is severely depressed, suicidal, bipolar, etc..
5.56mm
OK, I think it's safe to say, regardless of legalities, that this family is seriously screwed up.
Yeah, sounds like there may be some hereditary schizophrenia in that family, which is an incredible tragedy.
It doesn't work that way. I think Sr. and Jr. imply passing on the name straight from father to son, but with II and III, you can skip generations.
Khrushchev?
This one is never going away! That kid was no lone suicide bomber. Computer turned out to be very interesting if the leaks are to be believed. Considering some of the sources, I would say that they are credible.
Hmm, some things are wrong in this article. First of all, it's Thomas Carlyle Hinrichs and the father's name is not Thomas, it's Joel Henry Hinrichs Jr., called Joe by most.
I don't see anything in the Hinrichs family history I put together about anyone named Thomas Hinrichs Sr.
JoelIII, the bomber, has four older siblings - Angela, Berkeley, Christopher and Thomas. Age and birthdate are right for the Thomas in the story, but I have no idea who the Thomas Sr. could be who reportedly turned him in.
I have more, but will stop there for now.
There's no such person as Thomas Hinrichs Sr. Something smells here.
I very much doubt he had a full auto/select fire rifle. But even cops don't know the proper nomenclature for a semi-auto carbine. Nor does Colorado have a state definition of "assault weapon".
I know of a few FReepers looking over their shoulder right about now. Shed those kneepads folks. Blackbird.
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we'll give it to Cindy!
More on the never ending story of the home grown Islamofascist, who probably got blown up by his controller when he didn't go into the OU stadium to commit an act of mass murder.
I wonder if we will ever know the full story of the extent of Islamofascism in Oklahoma from the Clintoons to the present day.
Thanks for the ping for this never ending story thanks to the internet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffix_(name)
It's Wikipedia, so YMMV.
Basically, when Joe has a son and names him Joe, they are Joe Sr. and Joe Jr. Then when Joe Jr. has a son and he names him Joe, then Joe Sr, becomes Joe I, Joe Jr, becomes Joe II, and the new one becomes Joe III.
But when Joe I dies, the two remaining Joes can, at their option, become Joe Sr. and Joe Jr., or remain Joe II and Joe III.
Make sense?
My Winchester Model 70 in .270 is an assault rifle to most DemoSocialistMarxistLibs.....
Ping
That's what the government wants everyone to believe who opposes what our government does.
http://www.gazette.com/display.php?id=1326860&secid=1
November 22, 2006
Brother of University of Oklahoma bomber held for alleged threat
By DEEDEE CORRELL THE GAZETTE
A Colorado Springs man whose brother blew himself up outside the University of Oklahoma football stadium last year has been arrested for allegedly attacking his father and threatening to kill an FBI agent.
Thomas Carlisle Hinrichs, a 25-year-old Pikes Peak Community College student, believes federal officers have harassed him since the Oct. 1, 2005, suicide of his brother, Joel, according to court documents.
He allegedly considered waiting at the FBI office to ambush an agent and also thought about killing his father and high school principal.
Hinrichs was arrested Nov. 15 at Pikes Peak Community College’s Rampart Range
campus with a Romanian-made assault rifle, bulletproof vest, military helmet, hunting knife and ammunition in the trunk of his car, according to Colorado Springs police.
The arrest came after his father, Joel Henry Hinrichs Jr., told police Thomas had assaulted him and that he feared his son, whose mental health had deteriorated in the last year, would kill him.
“He believed his son was ‘going to blow,’” according to an arrest affidavit.
Hinrichs is being held at the El Paso County Criminal Justice Center in lieu of a $25,000 bond.
One year ago, Thomas’ younger brother, Joel “Joe” Henry Hinrichs III, detonated a bomb around his neck as he sat outside the packed football stadium where Oklahoma was playing Kansas State.
There was speculation that he was trying to set off the bomb in the stadium in a terrorist attack, but FBI investigators found no evidence of any ties to terrorist groups.
His family — which moved to Colorado Springs from Illinois about seven years ago — said Joel was severely depressed and lonely, as well as fascinated with ammunition and bombs.
“I was surprised a bit by the details, but on the whole I was not surprised,” Thomas Hinrichs told The Gazette in 2005. “He’d always been fascinated with artillery.
“He had real demons that were eating at him, and I told him some things I thought he needed to do, but he had such intense pride it didn’t register to him.”
The day after his brother’s suicide, FBI agents began investigating Thomas in Colorado Springs but closed the case six months later when they concluded Hinrichs had not made any specific threats.
However, an agent continued to monitor Hinrichs’ behavior on a monthly basis “to ensure that he was not a danger to himself or others,” according to the affidavit.
In July, Hinrichs left a phone message for an FBI agent, expressing his anger with the U.S. government and school system, which he blamed for his brother’s suicide, according to the affidavit.
He later told police he believed his brother killed himself “because of the abuse he endured while in high school,” according to court documents.
Joel Hinrichs graduated from Wasson High School in 2002. It wasn’t clear whether Thomas also attended Wasson; school offices were closed Wednesday, and records were not available, Colorado Springs School District 11 spokeswoman Elaine Naleski said.
Naleski said she didn’t know anything about alleged abuse, but Joel Hinrichs was known as a good student. School officials will look into the matter further, she said.
In October, Hinrichs allegedly left another message with the FBI, saying, “I will ... bury you, do you understand, I will bury you.”
On Oct. 31, he had an argument with his father, who said he confronted Thomas about his feelings that the world was out to get him. His son allegedly pushed him backwards in his chair, knocking him onto the floor. “This is what I do to people who lie,” he yelled, according to court documents.
The elder Hinrichs told police his son knows right from wrong but has mental health problems.
After receiving the father’s report, Colorado Springs police arrested Thomas at Pikes Peak, where he has been a student off and on for the past year.
He told police he was carrying a rifle because federal agents had harassed him and threatened his life. Although he denied planning to use the rifle against “any specific person,” he also said he was carrying the weapon because of an FBI agent named “Todd.” The affidavit did not give Todd’s last name because Hinrichs does not know it, said Jeff Dorschner, spokesman for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Denver.
“He stated that Todd should be hung from a tree and that he dreamed of seeing Todd hang from a tree,” according to the affidavit, which also read that Hinrichs daydreamed about lying in wait at the FBI office and shooting Todd when he arrived at work.
Hinrichs also considered killing his high school principal and his father, according to the affidavit.
Since high school, his parents required him and his brother to visit mental health professionals, who “stripped me of my right to defend myself and interact with other students.” He said he no longer is an American citizen and asked to be deported to China, according to police.
If convicted of the federal charge, he faces 10 years in prison.
It’s not clear whether Hinrichs will face charges in connection with his comments about killing his father and principal. “It’s part of the ongoing investigation,” Dorschner said.
CONTACT THE WRITER: 636-0285 or deedee.correll@gazette.com
You should know the media by now. They can't get anything straight.
Sounds like it.
7.62 X 54R
Odd choice of words, given the family history...
My son's Super Soaker water gun would have been considered an assault rifle by the DemoSocialistMarxistLibs....
Probably right........
My oldest sons has the "Jr" on it.
My oldest grandson has "III" on his.
Mine doesn't have "Sr" because my parents didn't know that I would be one.
As Bill Clintoon would say: Define" ‘going to blow,’” .
That is it for awhile.
My Honey Do List is very long.
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
Lets see. In addition to belting and blowing, the OU loser had tried to buy mass quantities of ammonia fertilizer at a feed store. He had ties with other muslims at the campus, perhaps even had a muslim roomate IIRC.
He had scads of explosives in his apartment which was quickly swept under the proverbial news rug.
Yep just a sad, depressed boy. Along with his brother (/ extreme sarcasm)
bttt
They didn't report that he also had a rake and snow shovel in his garage, as well as some old paint cans.
hunting the illusive cave deer.
You are correct. The roommate was a Pakistani.
I just wonder how long it will take for this story to be swept away into oblivion.
Thanks for the ping, overtaxt! I hadn't heard from you in a while, good to "see" you online again.
Oh, I've been around. But I spend most of my time worming my libertarian thoughts into the consciousness of the libs on essembly.com. It's a lot of fun, not such an 'echo chamber'.
I thought it already was. I haven't heard about it in months.
Thanks for the ping!
This whole story still smells!!
Thanks for the ping.
Sounds like an Oswald in the making.
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