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Private spies track extremists across world
The Scotsman ^ | November 23, 2006 | MICHAEL HOLDEN

Posted on 11/22/2006 11:49:59 PM PST by MadIvan

IT SAYS its members brought about the conviction of radical Egyptian-born cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri, uncovered insurgent tactics in Iraq and are now working to provide intelligence from North Korea.

The organisation is not the US Central Intelligence Agency or Britain's MI6 but Vigil, a shadowy network of retired spies, senior military personnel, anti-terrorism specialists and banking experts.

The group's director Dominic Whiteman said he set up Vigil with two other businessmen last year to act as an conduit between retired spies who were still party to good, raw intelligence, and the police and security services.

"This evidence was just getting lost in the system," Mr Whiteman said.

Vigil numbers more than 30 members, from India to the United States.

Sixty per cent of Vigil's work involves gaining information via the internet, by infiltrating chatrooms.

The information gleaned is passed on to authorities such as the FBI, and British Counter Terrorism Command (CTC).

A CTC spokeswoman said: "The CTC is working closely with Vigil and in particular its director and spokesman who has made officers aware of chatroom material," she said.

One member of Vigil is credited with helping bring about the conviction of cleric Hamza, jailed in London in February for inciting racial hatred and soliciting murder, and wanted in the US on terrorism charges.

Glen Jenvey said he tricked Hamza into handing over videos and audio tapes which were used by US authorities in their case against James Ujaama, who pleaded guilty in 2004 to trying to help al-Qaeda militants.

Mr Jenvey's latest work has involved another hardline Muslim cleric, Omar Bakri Mohammed, banned from Britain in August as part of a crackdown on so-called "preachers of hate".

The revelation that Bakri had been delivering nightly sermons via an internet chatroom from his exile in Lebanon was reported by the BBC this week.

"When you listen to a whole lecture ... he's inciting terrorism, and supporting terrorism," Mr Jenvey said.

Anjem Choudary, a close friend of Bakri, denied there was anything sinister about the sermons and said the talks in "no way encourage or incite" British Muslims.

Mr Whiteman said a very trusted contact who had a "key security role in the UK" had revealed that 70 per cent of information given in a daily briefing to the US president, George Bush, by the intelligence chief John Negroponte centred on the British capital.

Vigil has now turned its sights on two groups prominent in Britain: Tablighi Jamaat, a missionary organisation that is planning to build Britain's largest mosque in east London, and Hizb ut-Tahrir (HT), an organisation Britain announced it would ban after the 7 July , 2005 London bomb attacks.

Both groups say they do not have links to militants and that they promote peace.

"We wanted to find out more," Mr Whiteman said, adding that his group had infiltrated the organisations. "There's nothing to suggest they will be banned, but there are definitely a few rotten apples that need to be looked at."


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I like the name - "Vigil".

Regards, Ivan

1 posted on 11/22/2006 11:50:00 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: Mrs Ivan; odds; DCPatriot; Deetes; Barset; fanfan; LadyofShalott; Tolik; mtngrl@vrwc; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 11/22/2006 11:50:17 PM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan
oooh yeah..
3 posted on 11/23/2006 12:19:42 AM PST by Cinnamon
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To: Cinnamon

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4 posted on 11/23/2006 12:20:51 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance ( <h2>SAY NO TO RUDY! I know how to spell, I just type like s#it.)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

I know.. hacker chicks are Hale Berry either..LOL


5 posted on 11/23/2006 12:55:11 AM PST by Cinnamon
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To: MadIvan
I guess they have a good time:

A week after publishing VIGIL Network's shock-inspiring intelligence report on the activities of the LTTE (Tamil Tigers) in the United Kingdom, it seems a good time - after one successful infiltration - to release the details of another successful infiltration some time ago and the factors behind the initiation of the peace process between the LTTE and the Sri Lankan Government in the late nineties.

To tell the world that it took an outsider - just one man with the goal of peace and a shrewd mind - to initiate the peace talks between a country and a terrorist organization in conflict with that country.

This is an opportune time to reveal this evidence - so that the LTTE right now wakes up to the indisputable fact that it was as easily infiltrated then as it is now (yes, LTTE, London, more evidence is on its way from the latest infiltration of your group by VIGIL).

That it ought to fast to realize that it is a particularly amateurish, hot-headed crowd. That its members should just grow up, put down their arms and get back to the negotiating table used by real men as soon as possible - unless it wants to seem, increasingly in the world's eyes, like just another group of gutless, suicide-bombing losers, mentioned in the same breath as those other life-haters Al Qaeda, who, without asking their fellows, have hijacked a whole religion while the LTTE have hijacked all Tamils' good name.

Go back to the 10th April, 1998. VIGIL intelligence operative Glen Jenvey was sitting in his chair at the LTTE's London headquarters at 211 Katherine Road. Jenvey had by then infiltrated the LTTE so successfully - working at the time for an SIS (State Intelligence Service) official - that, extraordinarily, he was working as the LTTE's official press secretary, appointed by the terrorist group's London leaders. The fax machine next to him rang at some point that afternoon and a fax transmission began to emerge with sender's details he recognized immediately.

This was a fax from Mr Danaka - from the IRA's political wing's press office in Falls Road, Belfast. Danaka was one of many terrorist contacts Jenvey had become connected with through his role at the LTTE - contacts he passed intelligence about onto the SIS on a regular basis, who then shared this intelligence with the security agencies of other countries.

It was a fax of the Good Friday Agreement, which had been negotiated only days before between the IRA and the British Government. Jenvey had some time on his hands and so read the faxed document in detail over a cup of tea and some digestive biscuits.

Jenvey was in scheming mood. Fed up with what he called the "forever-arguing Lord of the Flies organisation" that is the LTTE in London, he decided it was about time they were pushed onto the peace-negotiating table, rather than continually arguing amongst themselves and stumbling mindlessly from one terrorist atrocity to the next. Jenvey reached for some LTTE headed paper and compiled a fax to the South African Embassy's first secretary in London, Sue Singh, with words transferred from the IRA document asking South Africa to hold peace talks with the LTTE and Sri Lankan government. One of the lines lifted from the IRA document Jenvey remembers was "in good faith on all sides." Much of his transmission was a verbatim copy of the Good Friday Agreement's terminology - adjusted here and there to seem more applicable and genuine.

A few days later the LTTE press office fax machine whirred to life again. Out came a fax from the South African Embassy saying they would agree to meet the LTTE with the view to holding peace talks between the LTTE and the Sri Lankan government. Jenvey was both surprised (that his scheme had worked) and delighted.

To him it made sense to have the South Africans as hosts - their truth and reconciliation committee, reconciliatory governmental maneuvers and the high profile of Nelson Mandela seemed like a perfect backcloth for a peace deal between the Sri Lankan Government and the Tamil Tigers.

A copy of the South African Embassy's fax was swiftly passed onto the LTTE London hierarchy and to the Sri Lankan government via the SIS official. Phone calls to the South African Embassy by Jenvey revealed his request for the South African government to hold peace talks went through to the number two of the new ANC government in South Africa, who authorized the hosting of the peace process.

Jenvey remembers the LTTE were at first cautious about the talks and got in quite a fluster. After several free-for-all arguments, the London leaders decided they would have to contact the overall leader of the LTTE who would be the only person sufficiently authorized to agree on peace talks.

The Sri Lankan President's office was openly asking if the LTTE were ready to stop violence and sit at the peace table for the good of the whole of Sri Lanka. The LTTE eventually responded by saying that they were going to visit the South African embassy in London to "talk about peace talks".

It was looking as if the civilians on both sides were going to get a chance for peace because of Jenvey's opportunistic fax.

Alas the LTTE leadership had other ideas. In spite of claiming to be the "ANC of Sri Lanka" the LTTE declared that the South Africans were not suitable hosts. The LTTE wanted to have the talks chaired by Norway - a country where the LTTE had managed to establish themselves sufficiently to engage in direct dialogue with a sympathetic and listening government.

And thus the "peace process" began. Today it teeters on the abyss, though its Norwegian peace envoy Jon Hanssen-Bauer expressed today "cautious optimism" that both sides might sit down shortly for more talks. This is against a background the last week of highly-publicized sea battles and scores of yet more pointless deaths.

Jenvey is proud that, from his chair in London, he opportunistically paved the way for the first steps to peace but he is saddened that today the war continues and the LTTE is more inward-looking than it has ever been. "If there is to be a meaningful peace which I worked for many years ago it's not the Sri Lankan Government who are dragging their feet but the LTTE and its mafia style organization who without war would have no hold over the Tamil people or demand money from them for their own personal gain and extravagant lifestyles," says Jenvey. "A real hope for peace in Sri Lanka is slipping away and talks have been dragged out by the LTTE leadership for many years in the hope that while peace talks persist, even at a snails pace, the EU and other governments will hold off enforcing anti terror laws against them."

What is clear, following VIGIL's intelligence report published last week, is that the LTTE is all about feathering its own nest. Like the IRA in Ireland it has become so dependent on criminal activity that its ideals and goals have been forgotten - relegated by its leadership's short-termism and the allure of easy wealth from their criminal empire.

Real intent for peace talks does not exist while big-bellied LTTE leaders bathe in their Jacuzzis and dine in Europe's finest eateries at the expense of the Tamil people - whether those paying mafia-style payments to the LTTE or those thousands of Tamils who have been homeless for years and forgotten in refugee camps.

If only the Tamil people realized that the LTTE's dismissal of South African-led talks years ago was in fact a self-preserving gesture on the part of LTTE leaders, who feared a genuine peace and an end to their racketeering. That their acceptance of Norwegian-led talks was the result of a decision by the LTTE leadership, concluding that the Norwegians would be easier to play along than the South Africans, who then seemed to be getting impossible things done in a spirit of fairness, reconciliation and truth. The last thing the LTTE wanted then or wants now is truth - shame for them that VIGIL has to keep printing it.

Last words to Mr Jenvey, whose opportunism is surely worthy of recognition by Nobel: "The very first approach to the South African ANC Government for peace talks between the LTTE and Sri Lanka was made in good faith in light of the fact that it was the hope of many to see peace in Sri Lanka. The LTTE who try and compare their war to the struggle of the ANC have shown as years go by they are in fact nothing like the ANC - that they will reside permanently in the gutter of history (save a brave volte face now) alongside the lowest of the low of common terrorists as base and depraved as Al Qaeda and the Real IRA."

source: http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20061022_01 i.e. the Ministry of Defense Sri lanka
6 posted on 11/23/2006 2:47:47 AM PST by AdmSmith
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To: MadIvan
I like the name - "Vigil".

I like it better with the missing part - ante ;-)

7 posted on 11/23/2006 3:30:24 AM PST by martel
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To: Alas Babylon!; American_Centurion; An.American.Expatriate; ASA.Ranger; ASA Vet; Atigun; ...

MI Ping


8 posted on 11/23/2006 4:34:21 AM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: MadIvan
Sounds like a 'character' from the pages of the Robert Ludlum novel I just read.

It was a good read....The Ambler Warning

9 posted on 11/23/2006 4:49:26 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: ASA Vet; BIGLOOK

The traitors here and around the world should be praying that Iraq doesn't emerge as a rich democracy.

If Iraq survives and emerges as a rich democracy, they might hire a lot of retired people to track down those who have commited war crimes against them.

A lot of liberals and others, who still support Saddam, al Qaeda and stab our president in the back might wake up in some scary Iraqi prison some morning to be informed they are being tried for war crimes against the innocent people of Iraq.


10 posted on 11/23/2006 6:40:52 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The Bush haters on both sides have elected the government they have dreamed of!)
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To: MadIvan

Well, fair is fair. The Islamists use non-government entities to attack the West, the West can use non-government entities to mount our defense.


11 posted on 11/23/2006 7:02:59 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Grampa Dave; ASA Vet; MadIvan

Ops do tend to work more smoothly in the private sector. The politicians will tolerate the group's existence until they feel threatened by it; then Vigil will be dubbed Vigilante......or worse, Mercenary.


12 posted on 11/23/2006 9:31:33 AM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: The_Reader_David

"Well, fair is fair. The Islamists use non-government entities to attack the West, the West can use non-government entities to mount our defense."

This may be our only offense/defense sfter 2008.


13 posted on 11/23/2006 10:27:10 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The Bush haters on both sides have elected the government they have dreamed of!)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
hacker chicks don't look like that


14 posted on 11/23/2006 10:31:22 AM PST by Albion Wilde (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. -2 Cor 3:17)
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To: Albion Wilde

01101100 01101111 01101100 00001101 00001010


16 posted on 11/23/2006 1:18:28 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance ( <h2>SAY NO TO RUDY! I know how to spell, I just type like s#it.)
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To: Albion Wilde
I laughed so hard my pocket protector fell out.
17 posted on 11/23/2006 2:10:50 PM PST by ASA Vet (The WOT should have been over on 9/12/01.)
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To: ASA Vet

I'm saving up for a pocket protector. Hopefull my newest project, the super conducting mitochondrial fat emulsifying gut buster device will launch me to stardom- then again, I'm not sure the rubber bands will hold at Mach 2 http://sacredscoop.com


18 posted on 11/23/2006 5:28:17 PM PST by CottShop
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To: ASA Vet; Fierce Allegiance
I laughed so hard my pocket protector fell out.

01101100 01101111 01101100 00001101 00001010


LOL!! Nice ones!

19 posted on 11/23/2006 6:55:25 PM PST by Albion Wilde (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. -2 Cor 3:17)
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To: MadIvan

Most interesting.


20 posted on 11/23/2006 7:00:56 PM PST by Ciexyz (Satisfied owner of a 2007 Toyota Corolla.)
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To: MadIvan
I like the name - "Vigil".

Yes, good name, but loose lips sink ship as they say. Not all things need be discussed.

21 posted on 11/23/2006 7:04:33 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: 4butnomorethan30characters

Is this thread demonstrably different than the NYT stories that expose intelligence gathering activities?


23 posted on 11/23/2006 7:22:21 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: Albion Wilde

"Must to stop moose and squirrel."
26 posted on 11/23/2006 7:30:42 PM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: Albion Wilde

Yep, interesting numbers Albion Wilde.

"01101100 01101111 01101100 00001101 00001010"

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http://internet-haganah.com/harchives/004734.html


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1603333/posts?page=18#18
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1603333/posts?page=19#19


http://www.google.com/search?q=%2201101100+01101111+01101100+00001101+00001010%22+&hl=en&lr=&filter=0


28 posted on 11/25/2006 5:31:59 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Cindy

I know nothing about code -- I was just replying to "Fierce Allegiance" in post 14, who posted that bit of code, which I took as a joke. Your links are too deep for me to understand!


29 posted on 11/25/2006 6:07:20 PM PST by Albion Wilde (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. -2 Cor 3:17)
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To: Albion Wilde

Well now, that's good news and binary numbers are too deep for me.
Smiling...

(Creating new recipes is more my thing.)

Thanks for the feedback.


30 posted on 11/25/2006 6:14:10 PM PST by Cindy
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