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THE THEOCONS ARE COMING! ... Mark Steyn
Steyn Online ^ | 27 Nov 2006 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 11/24/2006 9:17:01 AM PST by Rummyfan

More and more, I wonder whether lefties mean it, any of it. Take Rosie O’Donnell. The other day, one of her co-hosts on “The View” was musing on current events and opined, “If you take radical Islam and you want to talk about what is going on there you have to…”

And at this point Rosie interrupted. “One second. Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam in a country like America where we have a separation of church and state.”

Does she really believe that? That “radical Christianity” is “just as threatening” as “radical Islam”? These terms are imprecisely defined. You get the feeling that to Rosie O’Donnell “radical Christianity” is pretty much Christianity – or at any rate any Christian denomination without an openly gay bishop. Still, it’s hard to imagine even Rosie would feel “just as threatened” by an evangelical Protestant church opening up next door as by, say, a Wahhabi madrassah.

But who knows? The left’s preference for phantom enemies over real ones is such a feature of the current scene one assumes that for a few of them at least it has to be genuine. To the likes of Miss O’Donnell, “radical Christianity” affords opportunities for moral equivalence theory unseen since the Cold War. Pierre Hassner of the Center for International Studies and Research got the ball rolling shortly after 9/11. “It’s nonsense to say, ‘We’re the force of good’,” he scoffed. “We’re living through the battle of the born-agains: Bush the born-again Christian, bin Laden the born-again Muslim.”

And, if that’s the choice, the lefties know whose side they’re not on. Plugging my new book in the Great Satan in recent weeks, I’ve taken to dropping by the local Borders or Barnes & Noble just to check the thing’s in stock. And praise the Lord (if Rosie will forgive the expression) you can usually find it in there somewhere, though you have to wade past a huge front-table display of tomes about the imminent Christianist takeover of America: The Theocons: Secular America Under Siege by Damon Linker, Kingdom Coming: The Rise Of Christian Nationalism by Michelle Goldberg, American Theocracy by Kevin Phillips, etc. “Christianist”, by the way, is a neologism of Time’s Andrew Sullivan, and his own meditation on The Conservative Soul also addresses some of these questions. Damon Linker’s book is the funniest, albeit unintentionally. “Theocons” are like neocons, only not Jewish but sinister Catholics with a well advanced plan to conscript American conservatism for a political project that will transform the nation beyond recognition. They were the ones who spotted George W Bush as the perfect stooge for their Christianist coup and then surrounded him with Jews to confuse the media. Oh, sure, go ahead laugh. But it’s hard not to warm to an author who describes the United States as “the world’s God-intoxicated hegemon” with such implacable plonking earnestness.

Alas, other than that, Linker’s book is a rather lame attempt at score-settling. A few years ago, he used to work at Richard John Neuhaus’ magazine First Things. Somewhere along the way, he and Father Neuhaus fell out, Linker drifted left, and decided that his old boss was waging a “stealth campaign” to inflict upon the US “a future in which American politics and culture have been systematically purged of secularism,” and in which the Constitution will be rewritten to bring it into line with “the moral and sexual worldview of the Vatican”. That’s quite the ambition. American religiosity is for the most part strikingly unRoman and Father Neuhaus himself finds the evangelicals a bit of a bore, what with their “forced happiness and joy” and “awful music”. But so far the conspiracy seems to be going swimmingly, with the Supreme Court claiming to have discovered a constitutional right to sodomy and its fellow jurists in Massachusetts having legalized gay marriage. That’s exactly the kind of cunning distraction you’d expect these theocons to come up with to throw the rest of us off the scent.

By now, the alert reader will have spotted that Linker’s book is called The Theocons – ie, plural. So it can’t all be down to Father Neuhaus, sinister though he is. So Linker rummages around for a few sidekicks in the plan to wipe out secular America, and comes across Michael Novak, Robert P George and George Weigel. I like a conspiracy theory as much as the next chap but Weigel is an unlikely peg on which to hang it. He’s the author of an excellent biography of the new Pope, God’s Choice, and also of one of my favorite books of recent years, a slim volume called The Cube And The Cathedral. The title contrasts two Parisian landmarks - the cathedral of Notre Dame and the giant modernist cube of la Grande Arche de la Défense, commissioned by President Mitterand to mark the bicentenary of the French Revolution. As la Grande Arche boasts, the entire cathedral, including spires and tower, would easily fit inside the cold geometry of Mitterand’s cube. And that’s the question Weigel’s book addresses: In modern Europe, how did the cube (the state) come to swallow the cathedral (the church)?

Which is, of course, the exact opposite of Damon Linker’s thesis – that, thanks to Weigel and others, in America the church is about to swallow the state. Of these two scenarios, one has already happened, and the other seems to have been concocted out of thin air by opportunist lefties. As proof of how advanced the theocon takeover is already, Linker invites us to consider the difference between two speeches: In 1962, in his address to the nation during the Cuban missile crisis, President Kennedy concluded with the scrupulously non-theocratic “Good night”. But in 2001, in his address to the nation after September 11th, President Bush had the effrontery to ask the Lord to “bless the souls of the departed” and to wrap things up with “God bless America.” “Something has happened to the United States during the past four decades,” concludes Linker, darkly.

At the risk of offending Linker, God Almighty! Insofar as anything happened during those four decades, it was this: prayer was banished from public schools, the separation of church and state became an ever wider chasm, and Americans deserted mainline Protestant denominations for evangelical churches. In other words, the over-zealous attempt to purge religion from the public square drove many Americans toward more effective vehicles for their faith. As for the difference between the 1962 and 2001 speeches, it’s simple: those 3,000 “souls of the departed”. Indeed, to attempt to acknowledge the deceased without invoking the deity would have sounded very weird, as weird as that hollow 9/11 memorial service in Ottawa which (much to Linker’s taste presumably) avoided all mention of God. Or as weird as the peculiarly ferocious objections by European politicians to referencing the Continent’s Christian inheritance in the preamble to the EU’s constitution (since rejected). A former Swedish deputy prime minister dismissed the proposal as “a joke”; a French Socialist called it “absurd”; Scandinavia’s largest newspaper said it would be a “huge mistake”.

The post-Christian Europe George Weigel writes about is a fact: it is the spiritual vacuum into which Islamism has poured. But the radically Christianist theocon takeover of America is a ludicrous fantasy. Yet it’s the latter hogging the prime real estate at bookstores across the land. The existence of this thriving new sub-genre is a more telling comment on the times than anything in the books themselves.


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1 posted on 11/24/2006 9:17:03 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Pokey78

Ping!


2 posted on 11/24/2006 9:17:24 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: Give therapeutic violence a chance!)
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To: Rummyfan

Rosie O'Donnell has never been known for her intellectual prowess (her lack thereof maybe).


3 posted on 11/24/2006 9:19:20 AM PST by MissEdie (Liberalscostlives)
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To: Rummyfan

Good old Rosie...fat,ugly AND stupid...a trifecta if I ever saw one.


4 posted on 11/24/2006 9:19:29 AM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: All
But so far the conspiracy seems to be going swimmingly, with the Supreme Court claiming to have discovered a constitutional right to sodomy and its fellow jurists in Massachusetts having legalized gay marriage. That’s exactly the kind of cunning distraction you’d expect these theocons to come up with to throw the rest of us off the scent.

5 posted on 11/24/2006 9:22:23 AM PST by dighton
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To: Rummyfan
The left’s preference for phantom enemies over real ones

MAGNIFICENT! One of Steyn's best yet!

6 posted on 11/24/2006 9:25:23 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("On 11/07/06, 'true' conservatives and 'rat traitors joined forces to bring Sharia law to America.")
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

You said it! bttt


7 posted on 11/24/2006 9:26:06 AM PST by Matchett-PI (To have no voice in the Party that always sides with America's enemies is a badge of honor.)
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To: Rummyfan

I would not be surprised if the secularization of America by these leftists led to an insurgence of the same sort of Islamicization that is perking through Europe now.


8 posted on 11/24/2006 9:26:20 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Rummyfan
the United States as “the world’s God-intoxicated hegemon”

Wouldn't that be great? Imagine how much power we would have if we would get intoxicated by God's spirit. Maybe we would have ended baby killing long ago.

Maybe someone should write a book about the spirit they are intoxicated with.
9 posted on 11/24/2006 9:28:27 AM PST by Delphinium
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To: Rummyfan

This igorant, O'Donnell, is a perfect example of the 1/3 brain dead Americans.


10 posted on 11/24/2006 9:30:07 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: Don Corleone

11 posted on 11/24/2006 9:34:33 AM PST by McBuff
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To: All

Steyn always says it best, along with Krauthammer and a few others who understand what the world situation is today. O'Donnel said exactly what she meant..she is loud, rude and intrusive.She is also a liberal first and a Catholic second..and that says it exactly like she did.


12 posted on 11/24/2006 9:39:47 AM PST by cousair
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To: dighton; All

"But so far the conspiracy seems to be going swimmingly, with the Supreme Court claiming to have discovered a constitutional right to sodomy and its fellow jurists in Massachusetts having legalized gay marriage. That’s exactly the kind of cunning distraction you’d expect these theocons to come up with to throw the rest of us off the scent." ~ Mark Steyn

Here's another "cunning distraction" the neo-cons (aka Jooooooze) are probably responsible for:

New Bishop show bankrupcy of 'religious left'
Virtue Online ^ | November 22, 2006 | Michael Medved
Posted on 11/23/2006 11:12:57 AM EST by Alex Murphy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1743093/posts

The Democratic takeover on Capitol Hill provides new energy and aggressiveness for the nation's Religious Left - that faction of clergy and activists who seek to associate organized faith with the liberal agenda in cultural, economic and foreign policy debates. While deriding Christian conservatives for their alleged "intolerance," "ignorance" and "fanaticism," the religious leftists manage to turn off most religious believers of even moderate outlook with their own displays of arrogance and radicalism, and their smug dismissal of traditional values.

The controversial new leader of the Episcopal Church in the United States provided a prime example of these alienating attitudes in a startling interview in the New York Times Magazine on November 19th with Deborah Solomon. When Solomon asked about the current numbers of Episcopalians, for instance, Bishop Jefferts Schori took it as a point of pride that her church experienced declining membership.

Q: How many members of the Episcopal Church are there in this country?

A: About 2.2 million. It used to be larger percentagewise, but Episcopalians tend to be better educated and tend to reproduce at lower rates than other denominations.

In other words, it's just those uneducated, unsophisticated Evangelicals and Catholics and Mormons and Orthodox Jews who are bothering with the messy, dirty work of producing and raising kids. Naturally, the Presiding Bishop defends the low Episcopal birthrate as a sign of enlightenment:

Q: Episcopalians aren't interested in replenishing their ranks by having children?

A: No. It's probably the opposite. We encourage people to pay attention to the stewardship of the earth, and not use more than their portion.

In other responses, Bishop Jefferts Schori showed far more sympathy for Muslim extremists than she did for "fundamentalists" within the Christian tradition:

Q: As a scientist with a Ph.D., what do you make of the Christian fundamentalists who say the earth was created in six days and dismiss evolution as a lot of bunk?

A: I think it's a horrendous misunderstanding of both science and active faith tradition...

Q: Pope Benedict...became embroiled in controversy this fall after suggesting that Muslims have a history of violence.

A: So do Christians! They have a terrible history... I think Muslims are poorly understood by the West, and it is easy to latch onto that which we do not understand and demonize it.

Note that when the good Bishop speaks of the shameful record of violence by Christians, she says "they have a terrible history" - not we. In other words, she instinctively excludes herself when she talks of Christian tradition.

At a time when Muslim fanatics seek to influence politics and mores around the world, conducting tireless conversionary efforts in the European and North American heartland of Christendom, it's deeply disturbing that the leader of one of the most influential Christian denominations refuses to recognize what many thoughtful Muslims freely acknowledge-that Islamic culture, today and yesterday, has been marred by uniquely warlike and violent elements. The idea that Christians (or even Muslim reformers) who seek to identify and confront those ugly influences merely "latch onto that which we do not understand and demonize it" is to diminish the significance of the worldwide Islamic terror campaign that's claimed literally tens of thousands of victims from Mumbai to Madrid, from Nairobi to New York.

Finally, Bishop Jefferts Schori casually dismisses the familial and marital norms that most believers embrace and defend as the very essence of Judeo-Christian faith. Instead of traditional pride in a husband and wife building a home together, making heroic efforts and even significant sacrifices to share a life, the Bishop happily announces that she and her spouse occupy opposite ends of the continent.

Q: You were previously bishop of Nevada, but your new position requires you to live in New York City. Do you and your husband like it here?

A: He is actually in Nevada. He is a retired mathematician. He will be here in New York when it makes sense.

In other words, it doesn't "make sense" for a retired mathematician to be at his wife's side when she takes on the leadership of one of the nation's most significant Christian denominations? It doesn't make sense for the first female Bishop to head this denomination to try to model marital togetherness?

The questions and answers with Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori eloquently (if inadvertently) demonstrate the bankruptcy of the Religious Left. If the movement's attitudes toward marriage and child-bearing reflect the trendy ideas of secular environmentalists rather than timeless Biblical truth, then who needs religion? Most Americans understand that the purpose of organized faith is to bring unchanging values to bear in challenging and modifying the fads and temptations of the moment. Religion means nothing if we rather begin with fashionable contemporary ideas and use them to alter the fundamentals of faith. Moreover, what's the point of maintaining any sort of organized Christianity if one of its most prominent leaders will instinctively condemn her own faith tradition while excusing or dismissing the violent excesses of the deadly Muslim enemies of the Christian world?

As with most leaders of the Christian Left, Bishop Jefferts Schori appears be very Left, but not very Christian. Her example shows the way that this new movement of religious liberals amounts to little more than a desperate effort to use the language of faith to repackage the tired ideas of secular, utopian leftism and moral relativism that have failed so spectacularly wherever they've been tried around the world.


13 posted on 11/24/2006 9:42:18 AM PST by Matchett-PI (To have no voice in the Party that always sides with America's enemies is a badge of honor.)
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To: Rummyfan

There goes Mr. or Mrs. O'Donnell again.


14 posted on 11/24/2006 9:45:05 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Rummyfan
George Washington

City of New York, October 3, 1789

Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor, and Whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me "to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanks-giving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness."

Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th. day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be.

I wonder how Rosie was celebrating the third Thursday in November this year.

15 posted on 11/24/2006 9:53:27 AM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: All
I love Mark Steyn but I wonder if he isn't taking this a little too light heartedly. I think these anti-Christian bigots are deadly serious. They really intend to push Christians out of the public square.
The left has clearly moved from 'Christian conservatives are wrong', to Christian conservatives are dangerous. Demonization is simply the first overt step on the path to silencing. Once you label your opponent as being "fascist" or engaging in "hate" speech then you can drop your pretense of supporting free speech. In Europe and Canada you already can see the use of laws against hate speech being used to suppress free speech of Christians.

I am convinced that the left is in the early stages of trying to suppress opposition view points. If they win the Presidency in 2 years they will use the FCC, the fairness doctrine, phony antitrust investigations, and the a main stream media propaganda blitz to shut down Fox News and Talk radio. They will attack conservative blogs with frivolously law suits for copyright infringement and libel.
16 posted on 11/24/2006 9:55:41 AM PST by Jonah Johansen ("Coming soon to a neighborhood near you")
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To: Loyal Buckeye
The only people Jesus ever screamed at and hit were the religious phonies. God bless Mark Steyn. He's the best! Eh?
17 posted on 11/24/2006 9:57:21 AM PST by Mojave Mark (The Democrats... gravitas free since '63)
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To: Don Corleone

I know...one would think that her personality would at least be a little more palatable given her lack of beauty and intelligence....at least that is what I heard before some blind dates...'but she has a great personality'


18 posted on 11/24/2006 9:58:09 AM PST by flixxx
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To: Jonah Johansen
The left has clearly moved from 'Christian conservatives are wrong', to Christian conservatives are dangerous. Demonization is simply the first overt step on the path to silencing. Once you label your opponent as being "fascist" or engaging in "hate" speech then you can drop your pretense of supporting free speech.

And silencing is the first overt step on the path to something that looks a lot like Auschwitz.

19 posted on 11/24/2006 10:01:30 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: MissEdie

Rosie thinks with her big butt.


20 posted on 11/24/2006 10:08:42 AM PST by kjo
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To: MissEdie
Big Rosie can't avoid making a fool of herself during every show.She accused Kelly Ripa of being homophobic because of a comment she made to a guy who never claimed he was gay.Rosie's world revolves around fat,food,sweat and homosexuality.
21 posted on 11/24/2006 10:11:46 AM PST by peeps36 (Rebuild Iraq's Army And Send It Over To Kick Iran In The Teeth)
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To: cousair
Steyn always says it best...

Do you get the impression that, among the artsy craftsy set, Steyn might be the only truly sane person.

What O'Donnell said was crazily stupid. What the cited authors are writing is simply, well, dead wrong, as well as being intellectually vapid.

Yet these people are taken seriously by the creative and influential sorts who are liberals. It's as if the liberal "elite" is suffering some sort of mass dementia.

22 posted on 11/24/2006 10:12:20 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Don Corleone

Someone should tell Rosie that "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life".


23 posted on 11/24/2006 10:13:05 AM PST by ssaftler
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To: Rummyfan

Radical Christians want to take your rights. Radical Muslims want to take your head. I think the Muslims are more dangerous.


24 posted on 11/24/2006 10:29:01 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Rummyfan

bttt


25 posted on 11/24/2006 10:31:44 AM PST by Christian4Bush (Don't blame me - I didn't vote for these DEM bastards.)
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To: Rummyfan

bump


26 posted on 11/24/2006 10:39:08 AM PST by CarolinaGOP ("Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Rummyfan
The Left's fear of Christians is in inverse proportion to their indifference/dismissal of the Islamofascist menace. Its indeed a telling commentary on our time.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

27 posted on 11/24/2006 11:04:22 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Rummyfan

read later


28 posted on 11/24/2006 11:07:09 AM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Radical Christians want to take your rights

We do?

29 posted on 11/24/2006 11:33:54 AM PST by The Blitherer (In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is.)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

STEYNAHOL PING # 2!!!


30 posted on 11/24/2006 11:36:28 AM PST by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: McBuff
Dang it! You you owe me a cup of coffee! I just snarfed mine all over the screen.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

31 posted on 11/24/2006 11:36:50 AM PST by wku man (BLOAT!!!!!!!)
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To: Don Corleone
>> Good old Rosie...fat,ugly AND stupid...a trifecta if I ever saw one.

You're being too kind.
32 posted on 11/24/2006 11:37:45 AM PST by Gene Eric
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To: Rummyfan
Good article. Some comments...

Does [Rosie O'Donnell] really believe that? That “radical Christianity” is “just as threatening” as “radical Islam”?

If so, she is suffering from either stupidity, ignorance, and/or blinding hate. If she doesn't, she is a manipulative liar.


At the risk of offending Linker, God Almighty!

Risk presupposes we have something to lose or otherwise jeopardize some valued reciprocation. Since this is not the case, please continue to offend without reservation.
33 posted on 11/24/2006 11:52:43 AM PST by Gene Eric
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To: The Blitherer
We do?

Yep. Blue laws anyone?

34 posted on 11/24/2006 11:53:29 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Rummyfan; All
Please...ANYBODY...show me where a "separation of church and state" exists. And you're not allowed to site personal correspondence as a reference. I'm talking governmental documents.
35 posted on 11/24/2006 12:04:26 PM PST by Vision ("As a man thinks...so is he." Proverbs 23:7)
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To: Rummyfan

Christians you've gotta get this in your minds! Both the Left AND the Right thinks we are weirdos who will wreck their little system of money-making. There are more than a few here are free republic who hold making money as the main goal in life.

Both Left and Right have their a-holes and traitors. The Right especially has been the traitor in the last few years. Thye have promised big thins and knew in their hearts that they were gonna deliver NOTHING.


Think seriously about your 2008 vote.
I may be booted for this post. Though i sincerely hope not.


36 posted on 11/24/2006 12:08:11 PM PST by 9999lakes
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To: 9999lakes

Coming!
Coming?

We've been here for decades.
WE ELECTED President Reagan.
We DEFEATED Bush1.
AND WE just turned this bunch of play along get-along republicans out the door.!

The only thiing we haven't done is get any of our promises fulfilled.
That-Is-Over!


Republicans---learn it!~
Or you're over too!
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37 posted on 11/24/2006 12:12:03 PM PST by 9999lakes
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To: 9999lakes

Coming!
Coming?

We've been here for decades.
WE ELECTED President Reagan.
We DEFEATED Bush1.
AND WE just turned this bunch of play along get-along republicans out the door.!

The only thiing we haven't done is get any of our promises fulfilled.
That-Is-Over!


Republicans---learn it!~
Or you're over too!
-


38 posted on 11/24/2006 12:12:08 PM PST by 9999lakes
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To: 9999lakes

What's with the spam?


39 posted on 11/24/2006 12:22:07 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: GoLightly

sorry...took so long to post that i tried again.


40 posted on 11/24/2006 12:23:10 PM PST by 9999lakes
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To: GoLightly

Is that more important to you thn what I said?


41 posted on 11/24/2006 12:24:16 PM PST by 9999lakes
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To: 9999lakes

Yes, because your post sounds a bit hysterical. The more you "win", the more you seem to lose. But hey, your boy Billy Jeff carried a Bible & invoked the name of the Lord sometimes.

So anyway, what's with the spam?


42 posted on 11/24/2006 12:30:54 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: 9999lakes

If it had only been two posts repeating, I wouldn't have written my response to you about the spam. You wrote two different posts that said pretty much the same thing.


43 posted on 11/24/2006 12:34:04 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: Rummyfan

Bump


44 posted on 11/24/2006 12:34:25 PM PST by Maeve ( St. Maroun, St. Charbel, St. Rafqa and all Maronite saints, pray for ua and for the whole world.)
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To: Rummyfan; theothercheek; kiriath_jearim; Gadfly-At-Large; pryncessraych; aroostook war; TheRake; ...

+

If you want on (or off) this Catholic and Pro-Life ping list, let me know!



45 posted on 11/24/2006 12:36:00 PM PST by narses (St Thomas says "lex injusta non obligat.")
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To: GoLightly

MY boy billy jeff huh...you don't get two things.

[1] William jefferson Clinton was THE REASON that i will never vote for any democrat for any office every again as long as i live.

[2] And republicans like YOU are the reason the gop cannot depend on me to vote for them.


46 posted on 11/24/2006 12:43:39 PM PST by 9999lakes
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To: Rummyfan
Indeed, to attempt to acknowledge the deceased without invoking the deity would have sounded very weird,

Won't stop the secularists, though! Oh, well, they can always fall back on the "death is a part of life" theme, which always sounds ponderous, if not noticeably comforting.

Chesterton made fun of "free thinkers'" attempts to rewrite Christian hymns for a "humanist" society (late 19th, early 20th century?) -- he notes especially "Nearer, Mankind, to Thee," which he said always makes him think of straphangers in the afternoon crush!

47 posted on 11/24/2006 12:55:53 PM PST by maryz
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To: Matchett-PI

Thanks for posting the info on the Episcopal Bishop. Surely Rosie can't be afraid of women like her. With leaders like that, the Episcopalians won't be around much longer.


48 posted on 11/24/2006 1:01:53 PM PST by Rocky (Air America: Robbing the poor, and still unable to stay in business)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
MAGNIFICENT! One of Steyn's best yet!

I find myself saying that at least once a month. He's my hero.

49 posted on 11/24/2006 1:02:01 PM PST by AmishDude (What if I made a tagline?)
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To: 9999lakes

I'm not a member of the GOP. What makes you think my vote has any effect or should have any effect on yours?

Cause & effect too difficult for you to grasp?


50 posted on 11/24/2006 1:04:02 PM PST by GoLightly
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