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Police: Hygiene dispute sparks bar brawl
AP via SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER ^ | Friday, November 24, 2006 | Anon Texas Stringer

Posted on 11/24/2006 9:42:55 AM PST by Pharmboy

FORT WORTH, Texas -- A bloody brawl erupted outside a tavern after one customer thought another failed to wash his hands after using the bathroom, police said.

One man was hospitalized with stab wounds. Another was arrested on suspicion of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

According to a police report, the fight broke out Thursday after Eric Jennings Kisiah, 27, became upset about a customer's apparent hygiene failure at the Tumbleweeds Sports Bar.

Witnesses told police Kisiah confronted the customer and two of his friends, calling them names, telling them they were dirty and threatening to "slash their throats."

Kisiah then hid near a shrub outside the bar and charged the group as they left, the police report said.

One of the men, 25-year-old Morgan Jackson, was stabbed four times, police said. He was listed in good condition after surgery.

Kisiah was jailed in lieu of $20,000 bail. Mansfield Jail officials declined to let a reporter speak with Kisiah or say whether he had an attorney.

A call to the bar Friday went unanswered.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: shrubbery; stabbing; washyourhands
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I always shake my head when I see someone in a restroom leave w/o washing their hands. Another good reason to try and wash your hands soon after shaking hands with someone. But, this guy needs to go to anger management class...
1 posted on 11/24/2006 9:42:57 AM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy

"But, this guy needs to go to anger management class..."

If someone else not wasing his hands makes you angry, an anger management class is like a drop in the ocean.


2 posted on 11/24/2006 9:49:58 AM PST by L98Fiero (Terrorists, Communists and Liberals. All happy with a Democrat Congress)
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To: Pharmboy

Wait until he encounters the hygiene at the state penitentiary......


3 posted on 11/24/2006 9:50:29 AM PST by Frank_2001 (Reason#575,732,901 to be a teetotaller)
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To: Pharmboy

Hey, the folks who pee on their hands know who they are!


4 posted on 11/24/2006 9:51:44 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER
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To: L98Fiero

You're prolly right...anger management with some Thorazine, mebbe.


5 posted on 11/24/2006 9:53:26 AM PST by Pharmboy (Tagline on vacation)
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To: Pharmboy

I wonder if the knife Kisiah used to stab the guy was clean/sanitized before he used it.


6 posted on 11/24/2006 9:53:31 AM PST by flixxx
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To: Pharmboy
This is a pet peeve with me too, but this guy may have overreacted a bit.
7 posted on 11/24/2006 9:54:59 AM PST by stevio (Red-Blooded Crunchy Con American Male (NRA))
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To: Pharmboy

You have to admit, depending on the condition of the rest room at your average bar, that there is sometimes a decision that has to be made. :)


8 posted on 11/24/2006 9:56:30 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Pharmboy
Old folklore....:

A Michigan fan and an Ohio State fan are standing at adjacent urinals at the rival football game.

Michigander says to the OSU guy, "At Michigan State, we were taught to wash our hands after we pee".

The OSU guy replies, "At OSU, we are taught not to pee on our hands."

Sorry.....

9 posted on 11/24/2006 9:57:11 AM PST by meyer (Bring back the Contract with America and you'll bring back the Republican majority.)
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To: stevio

Did he get a chance to wash the blood off his hands?


10 posted on 11/24/2006 9:59:52 AM PST by Callahan
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To: Pharmboy

Being experienced in all things bar related I will add an observation: without a doubt, this had zero to do with cleanliness and ALL to do with attitude.

"Hey screwball, you're a disgusting puke, wash your hands."
"Mind your own business or I'll take my unwashed hand and make ya lick it"

And it went downhill from there.


11 posted on 11/24/2006 10:06:01 AM PST by JoeSixPack1 ( Press "2" to disconnect until you have learned to speak English)
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To: Pharmboy

I read somewhere that due to fellas doing "The Dry Adios", that the average American experiences 12 inadvertent penis touches every day.

I like to try to make all of mine advertant.

Owl_Eagle

If what I just wrote made you sad or angry,
it was probably just a joke.


12 posted on 11/24/2006 10:06:22 AM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: meyer
Q:What do you get when you drive slowly through Columbus?

A: A degree from Ohio State.

13 posted on 11/24/2006 10:08:56 AM PST by Pharmboy ((She turned me into a) Newt! in '08)
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To: flixxx

Kisiah? Slash your throats? Knife attack?

Religion of peace?


14 posted on 11/24/2006 10:09:09 AM PST by enraged
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To: Owl_Eagle

I believe it. And the interesting thing I've noticed is that the "dry adios" cuts across age, class and race.


15 posted on 11/24/2006 10:10:47 AM PST by Pharmboy ((She turned me into a) Newt! in '08)
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To: Owl_Eagle
"that the average American experiences 12..."

Did they break it down between males & females?

16 posted on 11/24/2006 10:12:39 AM PST by Deguello
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To: enraged

But he was in a bar and isn't alcohol use against the ROP teachings?


17 posted on 11/24/2006 10:12:42 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: Pharmboy

$20,000 bail for lying in wait on attempted murder? I thought Texas was tough on crime.


18 posted on 11/24/2006 10:12:53 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine

Yeah...I noticed that too. Probably 1) first offense; 2) good roots in community; 3) was half in the bag and 4) had a good lawyer.


19 posted on 11/24/2006 10:14:32 AM PST by Pharmboy ((She turned me into a) Newt! in '08)
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To: Cagey; MotleyGirl70; Larry Lucido

Poppi: "I'm gonna maka your dinner witha my owna hands."


20 posted on 11/24/2006 10:15:50 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Pharmboy

Definitely a psycho. I always wash my hands because you never know what kind of anal retentive psychopathic freak you may run into.

Seriously, I can't believe it's only aggravated assault. The guy hid in a bush and ambushed the victim, with aforethought and with malice, with a knife, after threatening to do so earlier. Sounds like attempted murder to me.


21 posted on 11/24/2006 10:16:45 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: meyer

Since this happened in a bar, I think the appropriate response would've been "What difference does it make, considering what you are drinking anyway?"


22 posted on 11/24/2006 10:18:25 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: monkeyshine

The court would likely make this--even though he lay in wait for them with a weapon--as a "heat of the moment" type thing. Attempted murder is likely what he'll be charged with unless he pleads out.


23 posted on 11/24/2006 10:19:15 AM PST by Pharmboy ((She turned me into a) Newt! in '08)
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To: Pharmboy

When the bartender puts out pretzels and peanuts, that's why you should be first to grab a handful and then eat no more after that.


24 posted on 11/24/2006 10:20:40 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Pharmboy

Wash and dry hands only to touch a doorknob that is infested with germs. Carry hand sanitizer.


25 posted on 11/24/2006 10:20:45 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: Pharmboy

Maybe... the guy got one heck of a lucky break with this charge. Maybe there was some other extenuating circumstances the article didn't explain (i.e. perhaps he waited to confront them and they threw the first punch) but it sounds fishy. I've heard of DUI charges harsher than this...


26 posted on 11/24/2006 10:21:05 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Long Island Pete

You're supposed to use the paper towel you used to dry your hands to open the bathroom door. If they only have those hot air blowers, then use your shirt or stand and wait until someone else opens the door. :-)


27 posted on 11/24/2006 10:23:01 AM PST by monkeyshine
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To: stevio

I don't pee on my hands and my privates are MUCH cleaner than bar bathroom faucet handles. Heck, raw urine is cleaner than most bar bathroom faucet handles.

Get over it.


28 posted on 11/24/2006 10:24:33 AM PST by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: Pharmboy

>>I always shake my head when I see someone in a restroom leave w/o washing their hands. Another good reason to try and wash your hands soon after shaking hands with someone. But, this guy needs to go to anger management class...<<

I wash my hands... but the importance of doing that depends on what I've done in the bathroom. I take a shower every morning and put on clean underwear so taking a pee doesn't actually get my hands dirty. Urine is closer to sterile than hands anyway.

Now if a guy is in bar and checking to see hwo poops and who pees then there's a bigger problem here than hand washing.


29 posted on 11/24/2006 10:26:51 AM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: Poser

GMTA


30 posted on 11/24/2006 10:27:33 AM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: enraged

No, because Kisiah was the one advocating clean hands.

With ROP, you don't have to wash the left hand, or something.


31 posted on 11/24/2006 10:28:43 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Long Island Pete

Or just stop worrying about it, before you end up like Howard Hughes. The world is full of germ-covered surfaces - I don't worry about it.


32 posted on 11/24/2006 10:30:38 AM PST by -YYZ-
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To: Pharmboy; All

Has everybody seen the urinal game - about men's room etiquette?

http://games.download3000.com/play/the-urinal-game


33 posted on 11/24/2006 10:30:50 AM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: Mr. Brightside

Poppi's kinda sloppi.


34 posted on 11/24/2006 10:34:18 AM PST by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: Pharmboy
Of all the places in the public toilet you will touch, the most coliform bacteria are the handles on the sink taps. The sink and taps are also the only areas in public restrooms where they regularly have been able to isolate enteric pathogens like Salmonella and Shigella.

I will not touch a public sink. I always carry a pocket size bottle of Germ-X for this reason.

35 posted on 11/24/2006 10:42:37 AM PST by Between the Lines (Be careful how you live your life, it may be the only gospel anyone reads.)
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To: Pharmboy
threatening to "slash their throats."

Oh-so-obviously a member of the ROP.

36 posted on 11/24/2006 10:43:32 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: Long Island Pete

damn, straight bubba....I dont touch ANYTHING in a public toilet...I dont pee on my hands either....just let it hang...when done tuck it back in...lower seat with side of foot.....

Flush with foot or bottom of cane...then whip out viraguard and clean hands with that once outside the bathroom.

Too many perverts doing public sex acts and worse in public restroom..........buncha animals we have among us....


37 posted on 11/24/2006 10:55:11 AM PST by halfright (9/11/2001 3000 AMERICANS were MURDERED. Never, EVER, forget. Semper Fi)
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To: Pharmboy

I always wash after taking a squirt, but I never pee on my hands. My pants, well - "no matter how you shake and dance, the last drop always finds your pants".

Seriously, have we taken all this too far - to where we have depleted our immune systems? Kids used to play in the mud (I know I did). Some used to eat it. I don't remember asthma being a concern among my dirt-eating friends.

Maybe we're too "clean" and thats why we're always sick?


38 posted on 11/24/2006 11:03:32 AM PST by FlJoePa (Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good.)
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To: Pharmboy

Was his name "Poppy?"


39 posted on 11/24/2006 11:05:18 AM PST by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: enraged

Actually ... and sorry to bust your bubble .... I know you were getting exited ... BUT .....

The entomology of the name "Kisiah" derived from" Keziah". She is the second daughter of Job. She and her two sisters were born after his trials. They were beautiful and inherited equally with their brothers.

The name was often used by Quakers in the 1800's as both a first and last name.

Although my guess is this guy has "fallen away" from his Quaker roots.


40 posted on 11/24/2006 11:06:23 AM PST by SubGeniusX ($29.99 Guarantees your Salvation ... or TRIPLE YOUR MONEY BACK!!!)
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To: USNBandit

"You have to admit, depending on the condition of the rest room at your average bar, that there is sometimes a decision that has to be made. :)"
You know I have been in public washrooms where the condition was such that I'd rather not tuch the tap or the door knob. Thanks heaven for automatic taps and air-dryers,
now all we need is automatic or foot operated doors.


41 posted on 11/24/2006 11:06:32 AM PST by munin (The war on muslim terror=world war 3 time to let's roll Time to lube our guns with pork fat)
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To: Pharmboy
I would hate to think what Eric Jennings Kisiah would do to this guy.
42 posted on 11/24/2006 11:35:48 AM PST by Ghengis (Of course freedom is free. If it wasn't, it would be called expensivedom. ~Cindy Sheehan 11/11/06)
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To: Pharmboy

While I don't condone bloody brawling, good thing this customer was stopped in his tracks. He could have been spreading pandemic flu. /s


43 posted on 11/24/2006 11:50:41 AM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: enraged

Ditto!

I can't believe it took 14 posts for someone to point that out.

TROP also demands that one wipe only with the left so sanitation aside, they seem to be quite focused on toilet habits.


44 posted on 11/24/2006 11:55:28 AM PST by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: Long Island Pete

"Wash and dry hands only to touch a doorknob that is infested with germs. Carry hand sanitizer."


Exactly! I do that one a daily basis and I don't go to bars anymore.


45 posted on 11/24/2006 12:02:48 PM PST by Gator113
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To: Let's Roll; enraged; Abathar; Larry Lucido

I know it's fun to slam the "ROP" but .... let's not show ignorance by doing it when we don't know what the hell we're talking about...

Please see post #40


46 posted on 11/24/2006 12:04:13 PM PST by SubGeniusX ($29.99 Guarantees your Salvation ... or TRIPLE YOUR MONEY BACK!!!)
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To: monkeyshine

That's another thing I do and if I can't reach the basket from the now open door, the paper towel goes to the floor.


47 posted on 11/24/2006 12:06:36 PM PST by Gator113
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To: Ghengis
That was one nasty video.

I could never get THAT drunk.

48 posted on 11/24/2006 12:24:56 PM PST by Pharmboy ((She turned me into a) Newt! in '08)
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To: Pharmboy
I always shake my head when I see someone in a restroom leave w/o washing their hands.

Hey, I know where my d!ck has been. I have NO confidence about the toilet fixtures, door handles, etc.

And I don't shake hands. Period. Haven't been sick in years, so my d!ck is obviously less of a problem than most other people's hands or other appendages.

Not to mention the fact that pee is sterile, and may actually be cleaner than some of the beverages and food being dispensed at the low end bars/taverns.

49 posted on 11/24/2006 12:49:20 PM PST by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: enraged; Larry Lucido; Let's Roll

Hate to disillusion, but it's clear that Eric Jennings Kisiah is not Muslim. Kisiah is a Biblical name common in the 19th century as a girl's given name here where I live (upper east Tennessee) --- as I have learned from my husband's geneology. It also turns up as a family name amongst Non-conformist (non Church of England) Christians from the Britsh Isles.

What you have here --- at least from his name --- is, excuse me, a White Anglo-Saxon ROP (Religion of Protestants.)


50 posted on 11/24/2006 12:50:02 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Cordially.)
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