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Police find radiation in sushi bar
News Scotsman. com ^ | 11/24/06 | News Scotsman. com

Posted on 11/24/2006 10:28:57 AM PST by melt

LONDON (Reuters) - Police investigating the death of a former Russian spy from suspected radiation poisoning have found levels of radiation in a London sushi bar where he ate just before he became sick, health officials said on Friday.

"The police reported that they had found some radiation there (in the Sushi bar). We are assessing the level of that and the potential risk to people that might cause," Pat Troop, head of the independent Health Protection Agency, told the BBC.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: blowfish; polonium; pootyandtheblowfish; radiation; spy; sushi

Vladimir Putin's special of the day--- "Sus'hiroshima'".

1 posted on 11/24/2006 10:28:58 AM PST by melt
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To: melt

Interesting.

If it is the Po they have found it is of course an alfa-emitter, and then they must have measured very close to the source(s). So it should be easy to ascertain if the radiation came from a particular vessel (bottle, cup, glass) or was found on or around the table Mr Litvinenko used.


2 posted on 11/24/2006 10:37:52 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy; MadIvan; Cap Huff
This is moving very fast...

Ivan any more on this sushi bar?

3 posted on 11/24/2006 10:50:13 AM PST by Dog (Hey Red Sox forget the Japanese pitchers for $42mil I'll talk to you for $10 million.)
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To: Dog
Now the police claim they have found traces of radioactivity also at the hotel Mr Litvinenko visited the day he was hospitalised.

The revelation came as police confirmed that traces of radiation had been discovered at two premises - a hotel and sushi bar in London - which Mr Litvinenko visited on Nov 1, the day he fell ill.

Ex-KGB spy 'poisoned by alpha radiation'

A bit strange this, if the substance was ingested via a fluid why would it leave traces in both places- unless they have been measuring in the "gents".

And again, why wasn't the radiation discovered previously. Curious...

4 posted on 11/24/2006 11:03:10 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: melt
Vladimir Putin's special of the day--- "Sus'hiroshima'".

What is it that makes this a focused personal attack and not a terrorist endeavor which happened to make a KGB agent an unfortunate victim.

Is this material only available in Russia?

5 posted on 11/24/2006 11:04:15 AM PST by EGPWS (Lord help me be the conservative liberals fear I am.)
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To: ScaniaBoy
"One of the deadliest radioactive isotopes is 210Po (Polonium-210). It is a strong alpha emitter with a half-life of 128 days. Polonium metal is also rather volatile, with a melting point of 255 degrees C, making it a particularly deadly component of tobacco smoke (inhaling alpha emitters is not a very good idea).

Fortunately, polonium is found only in minute amounts in Nature. Polonium is so radioactive that a 0.50 gram sample will reach temperatures greater than 500 degrees all by itself. The radiation energy is so great that an amount too small to see would be a lethal dose!"

http://www.ilpi.com/fun/toxic/index.html

AND:

In the survival study, rats injected in intravenously solely with a lethal amount of 210Po (1.45 MBq kg-1 body mass) died within 14-44 days

6 posted on 11/24/2006 11:05:51 AM PST by Gorzaloon ("Illegal Immigrant": The Larval form of A Democrat.)
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To: ScaniaBoy
unless they have been measuring in the "gents".

My guess is they are looking in the "gents" also.

Something else ...could he have been sick at the sushi bar and hotel after ingesting the poison...throwing up maybe.

7 posted on 11/24/2006 11:06:45 AM PST by Dog (Hey Red Sox forget the Japanese pitchers for $42mil I'll talk to you for $10 million.)
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To: Gorzaloon

500 degrees?


8 posted on 11/24/2006 11:11:21 AM PST by Dog (Hey Red Sox forget the Japanese pitchers for $42mil I'll talk to you for $10 million.)
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To: ScaniaBoy
If it is the Po they have found it is of course an alfa-emitter, and then they must have measured very close to the source

There is a Gamma associated with that alpha decay. About 4-500 KeV. One can detect the gamma from a thorium 232 decay in an old Coleman lantern mantle from a foot away or more.

232Th has a lower specific activity than 210Th.

9 posted on 11/24/2006 11:14:12 AM PST by Gorzaloon ("Illegal Immigrant": The Larval form of A Democrat.)
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To: Gorzaloon

What does that do to the body...


10 posted on 11/24/2006 11:14:53 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: ScaniaBoy

Didn't he have lunch with someone at the sushi bar? Wonder how come he wasn't contaminated too?


11 posted on 11/24/2006 11:16:54 AM PST by MrLee
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To: MrLee

According to the reports in the newspapers that person did not have anything to eat.


12 posted on 11/24/2006 11:19:40 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Gorzaloon

Thanks for the info re the decay.


13 posted on 11/24/2006 11:30:28 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Gorzaloon

Fascinating, and very scary.


14 posted on 11/24/2006 11:30:35 AM PST by melt (Someday, they'll wish their Jihad... Jihadn't.)
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To: melt

Glow in the dark wasabbi?


15 posted on 11/24/2006 11:33:30 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (When true genius appears, know him by this sign: all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.)
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To: ScaniaBoy
>>>>>>According to the reports in the newspapers that person did not have anything to eat.<<<<<<

Meeting someone in the restaurant and not eating while the other person eats is rude. Also draws unnecessary attention to the pair on seemingly clandestine meeting.

Something smells like a rotten fish here.

I was not following story to the detail level, but BBC claimed that Police found some ingested objects in his stomach, too large to be ingested unknowingly.

Does anyone know what they were?

16 posted on 11/24/2006 11:34:53 AM PST by DTA (Mr. President, Condy is asleep at the wheel !)
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To: Guenevere
What does that do to the body...

It kills or mutates cells wherever it is transported. While alpha particles do not penetrate much, they pack a lot of energy (~4.5 Million Electron Volts).

A classic case of alpha mortality happened during WWII. Young women who painted aircraft dial numbers with luminous paint that contained Radium 226 developed some serious symptoms, because at that time in their lives they were taking up a lot of calcium. Both calcium and radium are in Group IIA of the periodic table, and the body did not discriminate. Radium was transported to, and incorporated into growing bone. The bone marrow was irradiated. Upon autopsy, some many years later, micrographs revealed "Alpha Tracks" (Burns or trajectories of damage) left in the bone structure by the particles as Radium decayed.

Thorium 210 and 232 are suspected as being the primary cause of lung cancers in smokers, because thorium is a natural contaminant in Superphosphate fertilizers used in tobacco growing. A geiger counter stuck into a bag of 5-10-5 will show an above-background reading.

A huge "slug" of polonium 210 will cause a lot of trouble, and the timeline is about right, based on rat studies.

17 posted on 11/24/2006 11:34:55 AM PST by Gorzaloon ("Illegal Immigrant": The Larval form of A Democrat.)
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To: All

18 posted on 11/24/2006 11:35:59 AM PST by monkapotamus
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To: monkapotamus

I'll have the Eff-you, Pootie-Poo.


19 posted on 11/24/2006 11:37:27 AM PST by Senator Goldwater
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To: Guenevere
This will help you Guennie.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2470023,00.html

20 posted on 11/24/2006 11:37:35 AM PST by Dog (Hey Red Sox forget the Japanese pitchers for $42mil I'll talk to you for $10 million.)
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To: Dog
500 degrees?

Th 210 decays quickly. In a single mass of a half gram, the heat cannot dissipate as fast as it is generated until it reaches that temperature.

Interstingly, some iron-type meteorites have enough uranium and thorium in them so that they remain a few degrees above room temperature.

The effect is used in Radioisotopic thermoelectric generators for space missions, like the 60 Watt Voyager "Batteries".(Still running fine after all these years.)

21 posted on 11/24/2006 11:40:35 AM PST by Gorzaloon ("Illegal Immigrant": The Larval form of A Democrat.)
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To: Gorzaloon
Question....I've read this could have come from a nuclear reactor as a by product....could they ID the poison on a cellular level from a certain nuke reactor?
22 posted on 11/24/2006 11:44:25 AM PST by Dog (Hey Red Sox forget the Japanese pitchers for $42mil I'll talk to you for $10 million.)
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To: Dog
Question....I've read this could have come from a nuclear reactor as a by product....could they ID the poison on a cellular level from a certain nuke reactor?

It is made by neutron capture by Bismuth 209--->Bi210 then undergoes a beta decay to Polonium 210. It has a Specific Activity of 4,500 Curies/Gram. (gulp). The Alpha particle has an energy of 5.3 MeV.

It could only be identified if there were "tramp" traces of other nuclides with it.

Tiny amounts were used in 'Staticmaster" brushes.

23 posted on 11/24/2006 12:05:25 PM PST by Gorzaloon ("Illegal Immigrant": The Larval form of A Democrat.)
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To: DTA
Meeting someone in the restaurant and not eating while the other person eats is rude.

Sorry, I can't find the reference to that statement just now. However, we should take everything stated in the newspapers with a huge amount of salt. If you read the reports in the British newspapers, on the 19th when the story broke, Litvinenko was meeting with a female journalist in a Japanese bar. A couple of days later it was an Italian academic (male) in a Sushi bar.

Again, early on it was "definite" that Litvinenko was poisoned by thallium. A few days later it was suspected that it may have been radioactive thallium, whereas the day before yesterday thallium and radioactive substances were ruled out, according to some sources. And so it goes on and on....

BBC claimed that Police found some ingested objects in his stomach

I remember that too. The day after IIRC it was claimed that the shadows on the X-ray pictures were due to the ingested Prussian Blue, an iron-containing pigment given to Litvinenko to treat the thallium poisoning.

24 posted on 11/24/2006 12:09:16 PM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: monkapotamus; rawcatslyentist

Vladimir's personal brand of Naga'sake'...

25 posted on 11/24/2006 2:10:27 PM PST by melt (Someday, they'll wish their Jihad... Jihadn't.)
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To: Gorzaloon; Dog

Thank-you!


26 posted on 11/25/2006 4:42:10 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: melt
FR Thead: ABC News Exclusive: Murder in a Teapot British officials say police have cracked the murder-by-poison case of former spy Alexander Litvinenko, including the discovery of a "hot" teapot at London's Millennium Hotel with an off-the-charts reading for Polonium-210, the radioactive material used in the killing.
27 posted on 01/27/2007 2:43:07 PM PST by anymouse
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To: anymouse
Murder in a Teapot

Too bad Litvenenko couldn't read his tea leaves before he drank the tea... : )

28 posted on 01/27/2007 4:34:00 PM PST by melt (Someday, they'll wish their Jihad... Jihadn't.)
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