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The beginning of the end of Western civilization
WorldNet Daily ^ | 23 November 2006 | Michael Youssef, PhD

Posted on 11/24/2006 2:26:49 PM PST by AnalogReigns

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To: AnalogReigns

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51 posted on 11/24/2006 4:37:10 PM PST by ShowMeMom (America: The home of the FREE because of the BRAVE.)
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To: Gunny Gene
Good evening.

If you really want to understand the fundamental driving forces behind all of this, I'd recommend reading "Cannibals and Kings: Origins of Cultures ", by Marvin Harris.

Having studied the Arab culture (I'm half Lebanese), lived with both Shia and Sunni, and observed their interaction with the environment at large as a Christian, I've got a pretty good idea what motivates them.

Thank you for the recommendation, maybe I'll check it out.

Welcome to FR.

5.56mm

52 posted on 11/24/2006 4:51:31 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Joan Kerrey
Total destruction of their oil fields would do the trick but first we better become energy independent.

Back in 91 I told the people I worked with that we ought to SEIZE all the oil fields in the ME

We had sufficient military to do it then

We don't now

Israel may just wipe them out now and ask the rest of the world "You sold us out for oil how do you like things now ?"
53 posted on 11/24/2006 4:53:37 PM PST by uncbob
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To: sit-rep; Nathan Zachary
re: Let me ask you this...

Muslims were never innocent victims of anything in history. They were always murderous barbaric aggressors.

Back in the late 40s, early 50s... When the US/UN gave the Jews Israel. and the palestinians were herded out. Does this fit in the contrary to your statement?

Your premise, and your history, is incorrect. The "Palestinians" (miscellaneous Arabs, actually) were not "herded out" - they were asked to stay, and share the land with the Jews. However, they chose to believe the leaders of the neighboring Arab states who told them to leave, temporarily, while the combined Arab armies destroyed the Jews, after which they could return and have it all. No sharing. They chose to leave, and they chose poorly.

In contrast, the hundreds of thousands of Jews living in those neighboring Arab countries were forced to leave and their property confiscated.

54 posted on 11/24/2006 5:11:29 PM PST by tarheelswamprat (So what if I'm not rich? So what if I'm not one of the beautiful people? At least I'm not smart...)
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To: M Kehoe

Thank you for the welcome. Harris' book goes beyond any individual culture in that he uncovers common motivations and behaviors in many cultures over many centuries. It is one of the more lucid (and controversial ) treatises in the field of cultural anthropology. I think you would enjoy it.


55 posted on 11/24/2006 5:13:17 PM PST by Gunny Gene
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To: tarheelswamprat
Your premise, and your history, is incorrect.

Well, I'd say you deserve a "That'a Boy!" Thank you for pointing out my lack of historical facts... If you left the first sentence out, I'd appreciate your wisdom on the rest...

56 posted on 11/24/2006 5:24:23 PM PST by sit-rep ( http://trulineint.com/latestposts.asp)
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To: Liberty Valance

"Death cults come and go, but the Light of the Lord Shines Forever."

AMEN!!!


57 posted on 11/24/2006 5:33:55 PM PST by avenir (Earth--the closest unbelievers will get to heaven, and the closest believers will get to hell.)
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To: 4butnomorethan30characters

Michael = "who is like God"
Youssef -- variant of Joseph, I believe = "Jehovah has added."


58 posted on 11/24/2006 6:26:22 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: 4butnomorethan30characters
"One other way to know is through what is commonly referred to as Common F-G Sense. "

Unfortunately, common sense has been exchanged for political correctness. so things are going to have to get a lot worse before they will get better. 9/11 should have done it, but it wasn't enough of an education. More is coming. I see a bad (crescent) moon risin'

59 posted on 11/24/2006 6:32:16 PM PST by GBA (God Bless America!)
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To: Nathan Zachary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

You should also be aware that much land in Israel was purchased over many years by Israelis and 'zionists'. Taking land that was wasteland and making it fruitful.


62 posted on 11/24/2006 8:42:55 PM PST by sgtyork (Prove to us that you can enforce the borders first.)
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To: sgtyork; sit-rep; Nathan Zachary

Also, consider that there are Arabs sitting in the Israeli parliment and serving in the Israeli armed forces. They are not second class citizens as jews would be in any other country around them.


63 posted on 11/24/2006 8:45:59 PM PST by sgtyork (Prove to us that you can enforce the borders first.)
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To: Dark Skies; Cicero; AnalogReigns; Westbrook
Part-A "...Our only hope it is that the moderate leaders of Arab nations can lead the charge against religious imperialism with courage and without fear. Only then will the Western leaders rise in unity from the graves of apathy and support these leaders in their endeavor in order to resuscitate Western civilization as we know it..."

Part-B "...No matter how quickly these primitives develop a nuclear weapon of their own, the minute they deliver one to a Western city and turn it into a radioactive crater, they will be annihilated, probably starting at places like Damascus, Tehran, Mecca, and Medina..."

Part-B can be achieved with conventional weapons now, if we move swiftly enough. The MAPS start at post#11.

Part-A is just bullsh!t! 'moderate-islam' is an oxymoron, written by a moron. Stay well armed and safe..............FRegards

64 posted on 11/24/2006 9:28:44 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: GBA; sgtyork; sit-rep; Nathan Zachary; M Kehoe

Bing.....

Mike ... I thot you were Inuit?

Found my 7.62 - packed it in a closet during one of the hurricanes.............FRegards


65 posted on 11/24/2006 9:43:38 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: sit-rep
"When the US/UN gave the Jews Israel. and the palestinians were herded out. Does this fit in the contrary to your statement? "

Considering it didn't happen that way, no it doesn't "fit in the contrary" to his statement.
66 posted on 11/25/2006 12:20:08 AM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: EnochPowellWasRight

Ya, ya... I got it....but others who educated me on it were more interested in giving the facts and truth than blowing their own horn...


67 posted on 11/25/2006 2:46:09 AM PST by sit-rep ( http://trulineint.com/latestposts.asp)
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To: gonzo
Mike ... I thot you were Inuit?

You're a trip.

What are you doing today?

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68 posted on 11/25/2006 3:49:19 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: AnalogReigns
Another viewpoint: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/middle_east_speaking_out0_muslim_women_in_new_york_/html/1.stm .
69 posted on 11/25/2006 7:49:13 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( For the Republic.)
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To: tarheelswamprat

In contrast, the hundreds of thousands of Jews living in those neighboring Arab countries were forced to leave and their property confiscated.

Correct you are and many Arab leaders during moments of candor have admitted that they encouraged, even calling those who stayed as collaborators, palestinian arabs to leave. In fact many neighbors of both religions helped each other ride through the crisis. If caught both Arab residents and Jewish residents would be killed by the rampaging arabs.


70 posted on 11/25/2006 7:53:45 AM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: sit-rep

"Ya, ya... I got it....but others who educated me on it were more interested in giving the facts and truth than blowing their own horn..."

Perhaps they didn't pick up on your attitude problem.


71 posted on 11/25/2006 10:03:24 AM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: EnochPowellWasRight
Been around long enough to know the difference between educating and blowin horns... Attitude problems generally don't start unless provoked. The fact that you, and the other guy up the thread needed to tell me I was wrong when I did not even ask you, is provocation IMHO especially they way you said it. Especially you. Find error, bring it to my attention and offer NOTHING in educating me or anyone else.

Horn blower: Tells everyone they're wonderful by finding fault in others and offers nothing for the education of the error.

To bolster my impression, I even STATED in the very thread you seized your opportunity with, that I was not educated in this area of history.

Attitude problem? I say get over yourself...

72 posted on 11/25/2006 2:18:12 PM PST by sit-rep ( http://trulineint.com/latestposts.asp)
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To: sit-rep
"Been around long enough to know the difference between educating and blowin horns..."

I told you that our information was incorrect. That's not "blowing horns", but a statement of fact.

"To bolster my impression, I even STATED in the very thread you seized your opportunity with, that I was not educated in this area of history."

Your local library is very close. I do not recall anyone stating that it was our responsibility to spend our time educating you. Don't expect to have everything spoon fed.

You COULD have responded (although others had already corrected you) with a question, but no. You responded with bile.

"Attitude problem? I say get over yourself..."

Pot, kettle, you know the rest.
73 posted on 11/25/2006 4:07:26 PM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: EnochPowellWasRight

Ass Hole...


74 posted on 11/25/2006 4:46:23 PM PST by sit-rep ( http://trulineint.com/latestposts.asp)
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To: M Kehoe
"...What are you doing today?..."

Well, I boiled the turkey bones down, baked some Oatmeal cookies, made some chili for dinner, and now, waiting for the Notre Dame-USC game to start in 10 minutes.

Just another day in paradise. Stay well armed and safe, my friend............FRegards

75 posted on 11/25/2006 4:46:26 PM PST by gonzo (I'm not confused anymore. Now I'm sure we have to completely destroy Islam, and FAST!!)
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To: sit-rep

"Ass Hole..."

I see my read of you was correct.


76 posted on 11/25/2006 4:47:23 PM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: EnochPowellWasRight
Let me ask you a question you self righteous SOB... If we all are to go to the Library and get educated, what the hell do we need places like this for??

I'm done with ya...

77 posted on 11/25/2006 4:51:28 PM PST by sit-rep ( http://trulineint.com/latestposts.asp)
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To: sit-rep

"Let me ask you a question you self righteous SOB... "

Have a beer and calm down, man.

"If we all are to go to the Library and get educated, what the hell do we need places like this for?? "

You could've ASKED how your information was incorrect. Instead, you attacked me for stating it was. I don't recall attacking you in that post.

"I'm done with ya..."

Good.


78 posted on 11/25/2006 4:56:49 PM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: Nathan Zachary
Islam is a facade which warring tribes hide behind. Sha'ria is a barbaric system of laws, that allows for persecution of neighbors, subjugation of women and theft of property and treasure of others.

There is no such thing as a penitent Muslim.
79 posted on 11/25/2006 5:27:57 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: Gunny Gene
I'll be looking for that book tomorrow too. Here's and old book that clears up a lot of misconceptions about South Africa. The Washing of the Spears by Donald Morris. 1965. It's a bear to read but worthwhile.

Welcome to Free Republic, Gunny!
80 posted on 11/25/2006 5:34:41 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: ex-snook
Did Muslims strap the pill, abortion and gay marriage suicide belt around the West?

Ouch! But very true.

81 posted on 11/25/2006 5:36:50 PM PST by stevio (Red-Blooded Crunchy Con American Male (NRA))
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To: AnalogReigns

It's time to recognize the elephant in the living room.

The Mohammedans can do this only because of the money they get from their oil. We must cut this off, root and branch, by any means necessary. We must either develop other sources and force the rest of the world to do likewise, destroy the Islamic oil industry in Saudi Arabia and Iran and take the economic consequences, or seize the fields and deny the proceeds to the natives.


82 posted on 11/25/2006 5:39:18 PM PST by atomic conspiracy (Brought to you by Rovian Department 666: Conspiracies, Cover-ups and Dirty tricks.)
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To: BIGLOOK

Biglook, thanks for the welcome and the book recommendation. It sounds vaguely familiar, so I may have read it right after it came out. I'll take a look at the Amazon excerpt. If I did read it, it was so long ago that I'll probably do it again.


83 posted on 11/26/2006 7:28:27 AM PST by Gunny Gene
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