Posted on 11/26/2006 7:26:46 AM PST by Condor 63
The elections this month were a blow to the religious right in America. The most prominent advocate of their policies of banning all abortion, all legal recognition of gay couples, and embryonic stem cell research was Rick Santorum, a senator for Pennsylvania. He was the third-ranking Republican in the Senate, a rising star of the theocratic right, and still lost by a staggering 18 points. The other champion of the religious right, Senator George Allen, also lost his race in Virginia, after he blurted out a racist comment at a campaign stop. Senator Sam Brownback from Kansas remains an option, but his declaration that he has but one constituent — God Almighty — makes him a long shot, even for the lunatic fringe.
And so the religious right didn’t just lose an election they lost all their candidates for 2008 as well.
Politics, of course, abhors a vacuum and with so many primary voters without a candidate a new favourite has emerged. Mitt Romney is the Republican governor of Massachusetts, one of the most liberal states in the nation.
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"The Mormon"?????
Bigots.
NO MORE RINO'S.
(in before the anti-mormon bigots)
With borders becoming virtual, and with US politics becoming global so that foreign influences, lobby's and even foreign nationals are driving our election candidates, should it be no surprise that Christan's will be pushed out of government, considering also that the world total is only 32 percent Christians, which is not a majority to win control in the future?
But not to worry, the remaining 68% , they can only vote to render unto Cesar what is Cesar's and therefore what belongs to God cannot be taken away anyhow.
The vast majority of border crossers are Roman Catholic Christians.
not gonna happen. too plastic, too fabricated, too much of a breck girl on steroids. imho.
Which is why it is probably one of the best things to happen to this country since the revolution.
Sullivan, of course, despises conservative Christians and never misses an opportunity to insult and slam them. Here, he outlines Romney's fiscal good sense, leadership ability, and his social conservatism (anti-gay marriage etc). Essentially he comes to the conclusion that Romney offers in one tidy package everything that evangelical Christian conservatives could ever hope for. But there's one problem.
Romney is Mormon.
Sullivan gloats over the fact that evangelical Christians supposedly will not support the one Republican candidate that most perfectly agrees with their socially conservative agenda.
Bceause of evangelical Christian "bigotry" he thinks Romney would lose, unless the Democrats were to nominate Hillary Clinton to run against Romney. Then he apparently believes that Hillary would lose.
I tend to agree with Sullivan on this concluding point. But I think Hillary would lose because a sufficient number of evangelical Christians would turn out to vote for a social conservative over a social liberal.
I don't get the mormon thing. We've already had a quaker for President. The problem with Mitt is he's to liberal to win the primaries unless the Dems cross over to nominate him, and they won't.
I listened to Boehner for a while. It took about 2 minutes to realize that he might be the man. John Boehner and JC Watts in 08! OK... It's a little early, but he should get in the mix.
You're going to probably need some flame proof undies.
The media would love to get Romney the nomination; then they'd clobber him with Mormonism.
Remember: the media has one goal, elect Hillary.
well I'm a bit away from the action but I have not seen the "religious right" acting like they've been dealt a "blow".
what's the ground swell out there?
I'm seeing that both the Dems and the jihadists are smarter than we are at this point.
The DEMS run conservative candidates and win, now the crazy left is in control of legislative committees.
Jihadists play the west's Political Correctness against us and make us look like fools.
At least we have W at the helm but if we don't do something fairly quick I see very bad things in the horizon.
someone needs to fight through the craziness of the last 5 years and tell everyone our PC days are over, unless you want to see the bad guys (Dems first, jihadists right behind) take over the world.
it's just that close.
First they were attempting to get McNuts the nomination, then Rudy, and now it's the Romney gambit.
Your recognition of their goal is correct, elect Comrade Hillary.
Make that two. Along with Herbert Hoover, Richard Nixon was also a quaker.
How is the media trying to get Romney the nomination?
At this point I should probably fess up and admit I don't hold Sullivan in as high esteem as some conservatives do. Personally, I think he is a two-faced weasel. The article above is a shining example of why I think it.
Sez Sullivan:
Personally, I have no interest in someone’s private faith in his or her pursuit of public office. Romney, to my mind, should be judged on his public record.
Guess what Andy? I don't believe a word of that.
Sez Sullivan:
The trouble is: this is not what the religious right has come to expect in a leader. They look for a religious figure in a political leader, “one of them”.
Uhhh...#1 there is nothing wrong with that. #2 that is nothing different than any voter does. Who votes for anyone that doesn't share the majority of their own views except for complete and total idiots (and yes there are some of those voting.)
Sez Sullivan:
When a political party has become a religious organisation, as the Republicans have under Bush and Rove, it’s hard to nominate a heretic as leader. Mormons insist they are Christians but not many other Christians easily agree.
My BS meter pegged with that one......
Furthermore, all of the Secular Progressives who think that conservative evangelicals won't vote for Romney because he is not a Christian don't really understand evangelicals at all. They are simply clueless. They might as well try to explain messianic types in the OT.
I shudder to think that "republicans" are that desperate. and then they'll complain about rinos. it takes one to elect one.
JC Watts in 08! OK... It's a little early, but he should get in the mix.
"The vast majority of border crossers are Roman Catholic Christians"
yes we need more practicing Christians
The list of qualifications for President doesn't match in any way what the FR consensus thinks is important. Item Number One, making up 50% of the total score, is: "How does the candidate play on television?" Romney wins this one by a mile over all of his competitors. If he can win the primary, he'll easily beat any Democrat except Evan Bayh - and the Left probably won't let the Democrats nominate Bayh.
I would never vote for a muslim. Other than that, if a person has conservative credentials, I couldn't care less about their religion.
Here's what the LCMS says:
---Q. Are Mormons generally regarded as Christians, and how do their beliefs differ from those of the Missouri Synod?
A. The Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod, together with the vast majority of Christian denominations in the United States, does not regard the Mormon church as a Christian church. That is because the official writings of Mormonism deny fundamental teachings of orthodox Christianity. For example, the Nicene Creed confesses the clear biblical truth that Jesus Christ, the second Person of the Trinity, is "of one substance with the Father." This central article of the Christian faith is expressly rejected by Mormon teaching -- thus undermining the very heart of the scriptural Gospel itself. In a chapter titled "Jesus Christ, the Son of God: Are Mormons Christian?" the president of Brigham Young University (Rex Lee, What Do Mormons Believe? [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1992] summarizes Mormon teaching by stating that the three persons of the Trinity are "not... one being" (21), but are "separate individuals." In addition, the Father is regarded as having a body "of flesh and bone" (22). Such teaching is contrary to the Holy Scriptures, destructive to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and indicative of the fact that Mormon teaching is not Christian.---
But there is no law against voting for him.
With his anti-gun stance, bet on a decent percentage of the 80 million plus gun owners in the US to be less than enthusiastic.
Which is why it is probably one of the best things to happen to this country since the revolution.
The illegals are Catholic when it's convenient it seems. They routinely vote for the party of ABORTION-ON-DEMAND.
Can't speak for them.
The only problem with clobbering him with Mormonism is that Harry Reid is a Mormon, too.
You think they'd deep6 Reid along with Romney?
I'd vote for Romney.
When has hypocrisy ever been a problem for the MSM?
Those of the Reformed (Calvinist) denominations would struggle to bring themselves to vote for a Christian dispensationalist or anyone who did not wholly endorse TULIP (eg. Baptist, Calvary Church-types, Evangelical Free, Brethren, etc.)
Mormons are not Christian, they preach a false gospel. Why would any Christian vote for one?
Two words:
Hillary Clinton
JC would make a good candidate for VP. He's smart, conservative, country and black. While he doesn't have the notariety or political experience of many others, he seems to have the character and speaking/presentation abilities needed in a VP.
The most important job of the VP is to present positions and make arguments in favor of the administrations policies in public. He would do it well.
The number two function of the VP is to get votes, both for his election as VP and his possible succession to the top slot. He's young enough to do both.
And... If something should happen to the President, I would have no problem with JC as President.
So we have to choose between which anti christian cultist to vote for?
I would not vote for either candidate.
Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
But he's not running for Theologian-in-Chief, he's running for Commander-in-Chief.
And we need to have one goal...
DEFEAT HILLARY!
I dont know if Romney is the guy to do it.
Why is it that all the MSM and cable and directv news programs start out by saying:
"Mormon Mitt Romney.......
When "Catholic" John Kerry was running they didn't start out by that....
I'm not standing up for Mitt, I am Catholic, but this just seems bad to me....
Course the news media now days think they know it all....
I only got as far as "Andrew Sullivan" Whadda complete tool...
Better Romney than Rudy the Cross Dresser.
Oh, Sullivan is happy? I knew he was a homosexual, but I didn't realize he was happy. Good for him.
Incidentally, there is no such thing as a homosexual conservative. They are mutually exclusive. Yeah, I know I'm splitting hairs.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
And why is that.....good for social issues really only.
America has long had an anti-Catholic attitude because the Catholic church had an anti-American attitude. That has changed, but the problem has not been resolved.
Separation and church and state, if you read various commentaries, was really an anti-Catholic thing.
Well, I do believe Andrew has "got the hots" for Mitt.
Well, I do believe Andrew has "got the hots" for Mitt.
Would these evangelicals also not vote for a Jew, in the same way as they would not vote for a Mormon?
My friend, this is simply not true.
Catholicism is woven so sublimely and solidly through this land that it passes nearly unnoticed, like the sunshine in the summer.
And, just like that, should it be removed, its absence would be as detrimental as it is obvious to all who took it for granted.
Catholicism, dear friend, is the strength of civilization.
Because they support about all the same social, cultural, national, and political goals as Christians???
Just spit-balling here.
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