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A Fuzzy Strategery [Cornell Student Questions Supporting The Troops]
Cornell Daily Sun ^ | Nov 15 2006 | Rob Fishman

Posted on 11/26/2006 12:07:17 PM PST by Doctor Raoul

A Fuzzy Strategery

Agree to Disagree
By Rob Fishman
Nov 15 2006

Yesterday, Sun Columnist Billy McMorris argued that, as students, we should take time away from partying and sleeping, and express our gratitude to the nearly 3,000 soldiers who have died so far in Iraq. Billy does what George Bush does: instead of defending the Iraq War, he points to the sacrifices of our soldiers. It’s a crafty strategy of misdirection, to channel our grief for dead soldiers into support for the ongoing war in Iraq.

There was a time when such sacrifices might have been sensible. Maybe at first, we could justify soldiers’ deaths for dethroning a tyrant; destroying chemical weapons; or smokin’ terrorists out of their caves. But three years later, Saddam’s statue has been toppled, and he’s about to be hanged; the WMDs have been revealed as the stuff of myth; and we’re breeding terrorism rather than eradicating it.

Even David Brooks, the columnist for The New York Times who had previously supported the war, recently conceded that our current invasion will simply not succeed: “The war was an attempt to lift a unified Iraq out of its awful history,” he wrote, “but history has proved stubborn. It’s time to adjust the plans to reality.”

Just yesterday, insurgents dressed as Iraqi policemen rounded up over 100 people from a college office in a mass kidnapping conducted in broad daylight.

When John Kerry stuck his foot in his mouth and told students they’d “get stuck in Iraq” if they didn’t study, he broke the cardinal rule of opposition to a war: protest the war, but don’t cricitize the troops. With the recent election returns reflecting calls for withdrawal as the number of American casualties in Iraq approaches the 3,000 mark, I wonder how much longer we can separate the actions of our troops from the White House’s stubborn policy of “Stay the Course.”

When the war started, dissent was seditious; when the Iraqis didn’t greet our troops with flowers and hurrahs, we saw some measures of dissent. Now, with the situation in Iraq dissolving into chaos, condemnations of Bush are commonplace. Yet questioning the actions of those on the ground remains taboo.

Why?

Aaron Sorkin’s brilliant military drama, A Few Good Men, explores the legitimacy of “just following orders” in the rigid military hierarchy. At the end of the trial, when Jack Nicholson’s Col. Jessup incriminates himself by spitting out “the truth,” the tribunal still holds Pfcs. Downey and Dawson culpable for carrying out an illegal Code Red.

In the aftermath of the real-life Abu Ghraib prison scandal, Specialists Lynndie England and Charles Graner tried to argue that they were just doing their jobs. I thought the Nuremberg Trial of Eichmann had put to bed the defense that you can just “follow orders.”

Of course, all this is not to say that our men and women in the Middle East should be held accountable for our government’s policy decisions. After all, they’re just following orders — and dying for them.

Consider the case of Cpl. Jason Dunham, who will posthumously be awarded the Medal of Honor after perishing in Iraq in April.

If the four Marines hoisting the American flag at Iwo Jima embodied the struggle of the Greatest Generation, then Dunham’s death will surely come to represent our generation’s conflict overseas. What better metaphor for the undermanned and under-equipped invasion in Iraq than a 22-year-old desperately trying to blunt the force of a grenade with only his helmet and his torso?

We’re not going to succeed in Iraq, so why are we still sending troops there to die? Without an underlying cause, these soldiers’ sacrifices amount to little more than assisted suicides. If my generation is guilty of anything, it’s not failing to thank our troops; it’s failing to castigate our government for sanctioning so many senseless deaths.

Billy writes that Dunham “will be the second service member to receive this award since hostilities began in Iraq in 2003. He will, however, certainly not be the last.” Why not?

It’s a pernicious paradox that the Bush Administration flaunts: when the war’s not going well, there’s a fresh supply of bodies to glorify, so in the public relations war, the Republicans can never lose. But for the war’s opponents, criticizing the war is unpatriotic, and questioning the logic behind the soldiers’ deaths is unheard of. So while Bush and his cronies exploit the connection between the war and the troops, people who oppose the war are merely supposed to say “thanks.”

The imagery that gave the Bush Administration so much political capital — firemen and police offers on 9/11 running into the wreckage, instead of out — is still driving the neoconservative ideology today. “So when an insurgent’s grenade hit the deck, so did Jason,” Billy wrote yesterday, “but he did not dive out of harm’s way as one would think … He, instead, dove on top of the grenade without so much as blinking.”

The metaphor has simply outlived its usefulness. We’re creating victims, not saving them.

With control of the Congress, the Democrats need to inundate the American public with symbols that illustrate the realities in the Middle East. Releasing pictures of the thousands of coffins that have returned from Iraq — images that the Bush Administration has worked hard to suppress — would be a first step. But moreover, we need to be reminded that, like Pfc. Dunham, the Bush Administration is trying to contain an explosive region with just a few helmeted human bodies.

After three years in Iraq, semantics no longer matter. Whether you’re supporting the war or supporting the troops, in the end, you’re just supporting George W. Bush. And in glorifying heroics on the battlefield, we’re consenting to being on the battlefield in the first place.

Rob Fishman is a junior in the College of Arts and Sciences. He can be contacted at rbf25@cornell.edu Agree to Disagree appears Wednesdays.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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Aaron Sorkin’s brilliant military drama, A Few Good Men, explores the legitimacy of “just following orders” in the rigid military hierarchy. At the end of the trial, when Jack Nicholson’s Col. Jessup incriminates himself by spitting out “the truth,” the tribunal still holds Pfcs. Downey and Dawson culpable for carrying out an illegal Code Red.

Hey Fishman, that was fiction! Written by a pot head, doper, stoner, coke snorting liberal.

1 posted on 11/26/2006 12:07:19 PM PST by Doctor Raoul
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To: Doctor Raoul
...I wonder how much longer we can separate the actions of our troops from the White House’s stubborn policy of “Stay the Course.”

Come here you little bastard.

2 posted on 11/26/2006 12:08:10 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (Difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic is that the Free Clinic knows how to stop a leak.)
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To: Doctor Raoul
It is almost enough to wish we could have a Draft. Assign this little moron a very LOW draft number and make sure he gets assigned with a very tough outfit. We could improve the breed enormously by culling off our petulant self absorbed parasites like Rob Fishman here. Frankly Rob find everything so utterly distasteful here, feel free to immigration to one of your socialists utopias. We have no desire to keep dragging your sorry ass.
3 posted on 11/26/2006 12:13:30 PM PST by MNJohnnie (I do not forgive Senator John McCain for helping destroy everything we built since 1980.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

Youth is obviously a dangerous quagmire. The sooner this dope grows up the better.

Top 20 Causes of Death - Young Adult (20 - 24) 2002

Rank Cause of Death Total Deaths No of Deaths Percent
All Deaths 19234 19234 100.00%
1 Unintentional Injury 8275 43.02%
* MV Traffic 5712 29.70%
* Poisoning 1193 6.20%
* Drowning 309 1.61%
* Fall 164 0.85%
* Other Land Transport 113 0.59%
* Fire/burn 110 0.57%
* Firearm 103 0.54%
* Other Spec., classifiable 102 0.53%
* Suffocation 87 0.45%
* Pedestrian, Other 86 0.45%
* Other Transport 83 0.43%
* Unspecified 71 0.37%
* Struck by or Against 46 0.24%
* Machinery 29 0.15%
* Natural/ Environment 27 0.14%
* Other Spec., NEC 23 0.12%
* Pedal cyclist, Other 10 0.05%
* Cut/pierce 7 0.04%
2 Homicide 3327 17.30%
3 Suicide 2497 12.98%
4 Malignant Neoplasms 1007 5.24%
5 Heart Disease 617 3.21%
6 Congenital Anomalies 244 1.27%
7 HIV 140 0.73%
8 Cerebrovascular 118 0.61%
9 Diabetes Mellitus 116 0.60%
10 Chronic Respiratory Disease 99 0.51%
11 Influenza & Pneumonia 92 0.48%
12 Anemias 69 0.36%
13 Septicemia 69 0.36%
14 Nephritis 63 0.33%
15 Complicated Pregnancy 61 0.32%
16 Benign Neoplasms 46 0.24%
17 Pneumonitis 28 0.15%
18 Liver Disease 24 0.12%
19 Aortic Aneurysm 19 0.10%
20 Hypertension 17 0.09%
All Others 2306


5 posted on 11/26/2006 12:19:40 PM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Doctor Raoul
Rob Fishman is a junior in the College of Arts and Sciences.

Fishman is a POS and has no idea who has made it possible for him to write trash like this without being tarred and feathered and run out of town.

6 posted on 11/26/2006 12:20:00 PM PST by jazusamo (Murtha still owes the Haditha Marines an apology-See DogMurtha.com.)
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To: Doctor Raoul
When the war started, dissent was seditious; when the Iraqis didn’t greet our troops with flowers and hurrahs, we saw some measures of dissent.


7 posted on 11/26/2006 12:20:40 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: operation clinton cleanup

8 posted on 11/26/2006 12:24:10 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: operation clinton cleanup

9 posted on 11/26/2006 12:28:01 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Doctor Raoul
Aaron Sorkin’s brilliant military drama, A Few Good Men

What is it with lefties and using fictional movies as the basis for real life discussions? For years Michael Douglas' character in Wall Street ("Gordon Gecko") was used as a straw man for the liberals wanting to bash the Reagan years. Now they're using some hokey Tom Cruise movie to criticize Iraq?

Good grief!

10 posted on 11/26/2006 12:29:49 PM PST by DemforBush
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To: Doctor Raoul

Vapid defense of their own cowardice.


11 posted on 11/26/2006 12:34:19 PM PST by Modok
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To: jazusamo

Arts and Sciences. Thats a study for a "real man" allright.


12 posted on 11/26/2006 12:37:05 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

When I read this I am reminded of a scene from the movie Saving Private Ryan of the weak cowardly liberal reporter simpering on the stairs as the German, staring is disgust, walks by. Later this coward kills the German soldier because he is the only witness to what a worthless piece of shit he really is.


13 posted on 11/26/2006 12:37:55 PM PST by Modok
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To: Doctor Raoul
And in glorifying heroics on the battlefield, we’re consenting to being on the battlefield in the first place.

Uh, news flash, you little brat; We are already there, whether or not you give your damned "consent".

14 posted on 11/26/2006 12:42:03 PM PST by SIDENET (Everybody was kung-fu fighting)
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To: Doctor Raoul

If the four Marines hoisting the American flag at Iwo Jima embodied the struggle of the Greatest Generation, then Dunhams death will surely come to represent our generations conflict overseas. What better metaphor for the undermanned and under-equipped invasion in Iraq than a 22-year-old desperately trying to blunt the force of a grenade with only his helmet and his torso

First of all you need to get your money (or your parents Money) back on your education, there were six Iwo Jima flag raiser: Four in the front line and two in back. The front four are (left to right) Ira Hayes, Franklin Sousley, John Bradley and Harlon Block. The back two are Michael Strank (behind Sousley) and Rene Gagnon (behind Bradley). For the second part Corporal Jason Dunham did what all Marines are taught to do, sacrificing ones self to protect others (All freedom loving people in need) is a very small part of being a Marine! Rob Fishman be part of the solution, join the Marines, if you can make the grade. What a waste of human flesh.


15 posted on 11/26/2006 12:43:42 PM PST by Garvin ("As long as we have Marines like Corporal Jason Dunham, America will never fear for her liberty" GWB)
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To: Doctor Raoul
...we’re breeding terrorism rather than eradicating it.

Hey Fishman, by writing columns like this you're only angering conservatives and creating more of us.

How 'bout them apples?

16 posted on 11/26/2006 12:48:07 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: DemforBush

"What is it with lefties and using fictional movies as the basis for real life discussions?"

I was going to ask the same thing. I figure the ideology isn't based in reality so naturally their arguments come from works of fiction.


17 posted on 11/26/2006 1:10:54 PM PST by L98Fiero (Built to please and raised to rock.)
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To: Doctor Raoul
What a load of stinkin' trash. This elitist college junior can write more coherently than DU, but it's still just DU talking points with perfume sprayed on. Let me just pick something that jumped off the page more than the rest:

What better metaphor for the undermanned and under-equipped invasion in Iraq than a 22-year-old desperately trying to blunt the force of a grenade with only his helmet and his torso?

First, if it was "undermanned and under-equipped", thank the Clintons for that. The cuts from eight years of their criminal enterprise are still hurting us. There's a long and shameful history about body armor and armored humvees, and it all belongs in Bill and Hitlery's expansive laps.

Despite the troops tied down in eternal commitment to the Balkans and South Korea (thank you, Bill, for both), the American military blew through a still-functional and well-armed Iraqi military in just a few weeks. And that despite being a division short after Fr*nce bought off Turkey, who denied us staging areas in the north.

As far as throwing yourself on a grenade to save your comrades, that has nothing to do with desperation. It has everything to do with deciding in a split second that you will protect your buddies, even at the cost of your own life.

This punk has no concept of honor, history, or even common decency. He should go far in the RAT party.

18 posted on 11/26/2006 1:12:24 PM PST by 300winmag (Overkill never fails)
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To: DemforBush
"hokey movie"

Nicholson's brief role was the only good part to that dull flick. I just about fell asleep watching it until Jack showed up.

19 posted on 11/26/2006 1:14:11 PM PST by driftless2
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To: Doctor Raoul
Mr. Fishman can be contacted here:

rbf25@cornell.edu
20 posted on 11/26/2006 1:22:30 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: Garvin
This Cornell loser isn't as smart as the tour bus drivers who take school kids to the memorial. Bus drivers Rob is sure to look down on in his elitism.

They teach a lesson that Mister Ivy League isn't fit to teach, that there are five Marines...and one Navy Corpsman depicited on the memorial.

21 posted on 11/26/2006 1:38:16 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (Difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic is that the Free Clinic knows how to stop a leak.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

Every Corpsman that was I was ever with, deserved the title if only honorary.


22 posted on 11/26/2006 1:40:59 PM PST by Garvin ("As long as we have Marines like Corporal Jason Dunham, America will never fear for her liberty" GWB)
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To: driftless2

Yup. Jack is always a treat, even when he's munching scenery in a Tom Cruise flick.

Heck, I even liked him in *shudder* Easy Rider *shudders some more*


23 posted on 11/26/2006 4:16:33 PM PST by DemforBush
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To: Doctor Raoul

Hey Fishman, that was fiction! Written by a pot head, doper, stoner, coke snorting liberal.

Sorkin's only brush with combat was dating Maureen Dowd.
Fishman is a supercilious twit who wouldn't last 5 minutes in Basic before whimpering and begging to go home to Mommy.


24 posted on 11/26/2006 4:40:11 PM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Yardstick
Hey Fishman, by writing columns like this you're only angering conservatives and creating more of us.

LOL

25 posted on 11/26/2006 7:13:14 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: Doctor Raoul
Like with Vietnam, its time to hightail it out of there! Its time to lose. And its time to abandon our troops. At least one Lefty is being honest for once about what they really want.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

26 posted on 11/26/2006 7:16:58 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Doctor Raoul

"the WMDs have been revealed as the stuff of myth"

Really?


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/848341/posts?page=141


27 posted on 11/26/2006 7:21:34 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Doctor Raoul; All


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No Joke.


JOHN KERRY =

Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts

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28 posted on 11/26/2006 7:43:23 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com.`)
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To: Doctor Raoul; All


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The Words
http://www.Freerepublic.com/~ALOHARONNIE


The Pictures
http://www.RickRescorla.com/The%20Statue.htm


The Heroism
http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24361

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29 posted on 11/26/2006 7:47:22 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com.`)
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To: Doctor Raoul
Hey Fishman, that was fiction! Written by a pot head, doper, stoner, coke snorting liberal.

And don't forget, directed by Meathead.

Mark

30 posted on 11/26/2006 7:47:36 PM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: Doctor Raoul

"I thought the Nuremberg Trial of Eichmann had put to bed the defense that you can just 'follow orders.'"

What a stupid pissant! Eichmann was tried in Israel in 1961, not at Nuremberg.


31 posted on 11/26/2006 7:50:16 PM PST by atomic conspiracy (Brought to you by Rovian Department 666: Conspiracies, Cover-ups and Dirty tricks.)
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To: Doctor Raoul
Mr. Fishman:

I hope you realize that things you write that are on the web remain for a very, very long time.

Someday you will be applying for a job you desperately want and someone will show this piece of garbage you just wrote to your prospective employer....a former Marine.

32 posted on 11/26/2006 7:59:59 PM PST by McGavin999 (Republicans take out our trash, Democrats re-elect theirs)
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To: DemforBush

What is it with lefties and using fictional movies as the basis for real life discussions?

Because many of them live in a fictional world.


33 posted on 11/26/2006 10:04:31 PM PST by Valin (Rick Santorum 08)
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To: Doctor Raoul
"Far above Cayuga's waters

There she stands ..Cornell

That smell is not Cayuga's waters

That smell is ..Cornell"/music

34 posted on 11/27/2006 7:09:46 AM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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