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Minuteman group releases financial information (Simcox-Minuteman)
AP ^ | 11-26-06 | Staff

Posted on 11/26/2006 2:42:57 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182

An Arizona civilian border patrol group has released financial records to answer questions about how the nonprofit spends contributions, but some former Texas members said they still aren't sure where the money goes.

The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps collected more than $54,000 in registration fees for background checks but spent only about $1,000 for that purpose last year, according to an IRS form and audit report released by group leader Chris Simcox.

The group raised more than $418,000, mostly through contributions, and spent nearly $450,000, including about $280,000 for "program services" and $145,000 on fundraising.

The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps patrols the border and reports illegal immigrants to authorities. It is different from the Minuteman Project, which also focuses on illegal immigration.

Simcox defended the spending on the group's Web site, saying that its financial state was "much better than most first-year startup national organizations." He criticized the media for "egregiously false" reporting.

But questions about finances and other concerns have led some members to quit the group. Among those was Bill Parmley, the former head of the group's Texas chapter, who left in July 2005.

"There were just too many irregularities," Parmley said. "I just didn't want to be involved in something like that."

Kim Fromme, former director of operations for the group's Texas chapter, quit in February over concerns about where the money was going.

"It didn't go down to the border, that's for sure," Fromme said.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigrantlist; immigration; mcdc; minuteman; simcox
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The background check angle is getting around.
1 posted on 11/26/2006 2:42:58 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Amelia; unsycophant; catholicfreeper; Rex Anderson; Texasforever; Howlin; onyx; PDR; nopardons; ...

Ping.


2 posted on 11/26/2006 2:43:51 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Well we dont mind auditing the Minutemen ,they are a group mostly made up of whites. Now lets see the IRS audit of the Rainbow Coalition and how much they paid out for Jesse's illigitimate child. Lets see the audit for Al Sharpton's church. Al claims he doesnt own the shirt on his back, Lets see the figures.


3 posted on 11/26/2006 2:51:14 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

While we are at it lets see the CAIR audit and the one for the ACLU . How is it right to audit the Minutemen and not these others? Lets see Bubba Clintons tax report.


4 posted on 11/26/2006 2:52:30 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

I wonder if the spammer will show up....


5 posted on 11/26/2006 2:52:34 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Prayers for my cousin Jeff and his family.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Total income was $418,493.00. $112,500.00 of income was in unrestricted grants from Declaration Alliance.
Total Expenditures were $449,667.00
Program Services were $280,920.00 which was 62.47% of our total expenditures.
Management and General Expenses were $23,348.00 which was 5.19% of our total expenditures.
Fundraising Expenses were $145,399.00 which was 32.34% of our total expenditures.


Now if the details were published of the $280,920 expenditures in Program Services and the details of the $145,399 expenditures in Fundraising then there would be a better handle on where the money went, what is was for and who were the recipients of the outlay........

Form 990-2005

6 posted on 11/26/2006 3:11:04 PM PST by deport
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To: sgtbono2002

How about auditin MALDEF, Aztlan, Southern Poverty Law Center, et al.


7 posted on 11/26/2006 3:11:59 PM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: raybbr

Be my guest I am sure they could all use it.


8 posted on 11/26/2006 3:15:49 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: raybbr; sgtbono2002; Anti-Bubba182

Go for it.

All should be audited. I'd gaurantee that something would be found on a few of them.

But not ONE of those organizations will be REMOTELY tied to conservatism or the right wing train of thought.

The Minutemen can and WILL BE. Therefore it's absolutely crucial their books be above board and absolutely clean.


9 posted on 11/26/2006 3:22:59 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Prayers for my cousin Jeff and his family.)
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To: MikefromOhio

This crisis and financial exercise is good for the MM. Reason - they are taking on some very powerful economic and political interest groups. They will not hesitate to use any means necessary to undermind the MM. Having your crap and books in order are necessary for the MM to survive and fight every day.


10 posted on 11/26/2006 3:27:01 PM PST by Fee
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To: Fee

In the abstract, I would agree.

The problem is, there is a ton of smoke there, especially when you try to reconcile what they claim to bring in and what they report.


11 posted on 11/26/2006 3:28:18 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Prayers for my cousin Jeff and his family.)
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To: MikefromOhio
"The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps collected more than $54,000 in registration fees for background checks but spent only about $1,000 for that purpose last year, according to an IRS form and audit report released by group leader Chris Simcox."

I would like them to explain that.

12 posted on 11/26/2006 3:28:18 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

See post 11 :)


13 posted on 11/26/2006 3:28:33 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Prayers for my cousin Jeff and his family.)
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To: backhoe

ping


14 posted on 11/26/2006 3:29:26 PM PST by Cindy
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To: MikefromOhio
I wonder if the spammer will show up....


15 posted on 11/26/2006 3:31:34 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Just one day without polls would be nice.)
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To: MikefromOhio
Can non-profits report a "loss"? Where did the extra $32,000 in spending come from?

Also I'm kinda of surprised with the all the free publicity the Minutemen got, >$500,000 is a paltry sum.

Looks like not that many people donated to the "cause" that was supposed to sweep America and "true conservatives" into power for years to come.

16 posted on 11/26/2006 3:33:43 PM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: deport
Now if the details were published of the $280,920 expenditures in Program Services

Hopefully, that went to some "good" cause like paying legal fees. The best things in life are fees.

17 posted on 11/26/2006 3:33:48 PM PST by Torie
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To: Fee

Well said. The forces against them are very powerful, and they are already hard at work undermining the MM. There are many, even here on FR, that have been taken in by the MSM propaganda.


18 posted on 11/26/2006 3:34:51 PM PST by TheDon (Are you a cut and run conservative?)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Screw You and the horse you rode in on.

By Chris Simcox:

Well Seper has done it again. This guy is obtuse and can't be this downright dumb which is why I feel he purposefully misstates and, misquotes me and others.
First let's tackle the stupid headline-Seper can't be that stupid can he? We have not outstripped our donations -the audit is through December 31, 2005, at that time we owed $31,000 in bills, starting Jan 1,2006 new donations were added for the new year and continue until Dec 31, 2006 then we start the cycle over again. One of the great things, benefits we have with our relationship with Deiner is they believe in the cause and delay their billing trusting that donations will be generated to cover the expenses. Thus at the end of the first year, 2005, we owed $31,000 that was paid in 2006 which has been a much better year for donations which allowed us to spend much more on border operations and field equipment.
It is a non-profit's duty to spend donations on program services, not to make money or build a big bank account -the goal is to break even each year.

Quote:
While the IRS papers document MCDC collections and expenditures through Dec. 31, a reported donation total of $418,493 is significantly less than the $1.6 million MCDC President Chris Simcox told The Washington Times in July that the group had collected in donations since its April 2005 creation. That figure was said to include $1 million in direct MCDC contributions and $600,000 toward the construction of a $55 million border fence.



Again what an idiot Seper is he purposefully creates confusion. The audit and 990 is for 2005, add that with the estimated $650K (remember I said estimated, that can't be certified until we complete audit and 990 for 2006) we brought in for 2006 that brings us to just over $1 million total.
The fence project is a completely different corporation, with separate bank account, separate fund raising etc. All monies donated to the fence go towards the construction of the fence, there can be no cross over of funds.

Sinister Seper distorts/confuses facts on purpose -is he stupid or is he doing it on purpose- out to bring us down -don't underestimate the Bush family connection.

We are not in the red, the auditor gave us a sterling report with no recommendations or negatives -like I told you from day one, we run the corporation with the highest amount of integrity and oversight -I'm not stupid enough to have allowed amateurs to run the business side as many of the people quoted in the first Seper hit-piece article during the summer wanted to do. That is why they did not stay with the corporation, they felt we could run this with all volunteers, I knew better when it comes to the business and fund raising side of the operation, we were fortunate to have Declaration Alliance, Alan Keyes believe in our mission and put his name on it, becoming a partner until we can stand on our own two legs -we are almost there in less than 2 years -our success is phenomenal and will continue to be just that thanks to the efforts of the volunteers and in trusting Carmen and I to hire the best consultants we could find who believe in the cause and get the most out of every dollar spent.
Our 2006 audit and 990 will filed on time as will the fence project finances be opened to the public as law requires.
Any other questions?

http://forum.minutemanhq.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5350


http://www.minutemanhq.com/b2/

http://www.minutemanhq.com/~video/BF/PDF/borderfence9.pdf




19 posted on 11/26/2006 3:39:45 PM PST by axes_of_weezles
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To: axes_of_weezles
Any other questions?

"The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps collected more than $54,000 in registration fees for background checks but spent only about $1,000 for that purpose last year, according to an IRS form and audit report released by group leader Chris Simcox."

20 posted on 11/26/2006 3:44:13 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Dane; Ev
Where is the Bush/DHS fence?
21 posted on 11/26/2006 3:44:16 PM PST by axes_of_weezles
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To: Anti-Bubba182

How about a GAO audit of DHS? They piss that away in minutes.


Why dont you read the report from the MMDC?


Are you illiterate, or do you just get your news from AP/Washington Compost?


22 posted on 11/26/2006 3:45:54 PM PST by axes_of_weezles
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Squeeze and read before inserting foot.


http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/article.php?sid=161


23 posted on 11/26/2006 3:48:16 PM PST by axes_of_weezles
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To: axes_of_weezles

Where is the rest of the fence? The diagram on the left was what they advertized when they started solicting.

24 posted on 11/26/2006 3:52:22 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Registered

ping

LOL


25 posted on 11/26/2006 3:52:55 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Prayers for my cousin Jeff and his family.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

http://www.minutemanhq.com/~video/MCDC_2005_FS.pdf


http://www.minutemanhq.com/~video/2005_990.pdf


I dont expect you or the SPLC to be literate.


26 posted on 11/26/2006 3:53:13 PM PST by axes_of_weezles
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To: Anti-Bubba182

This should be interesting


27 posted on 11/26/2006 3:54:51 PM PST by catholicfreeper (Geaux Tigers SEC FOOTBALL ROCKS)
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To: axes_of_weezles
I dont expect you or the SPLC to be literate.

that's fine. I don't expect you or the MCDC to be honest.
28 posted on 11/26/2006 3:56:34 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Prayers for my cousin Jeff and his family.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

"The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps collected more than $54,000 in registration fees for background checks but spent only about $1,000 for that purpose last year, according to an IRS form and audit report released by group leader Chris Simcox."



$974 to be specific.


29 posted on 11/26/2006 3:57:09 PM PST by deport
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To: deport

Which line on the IRS 990?


30 posted on 11/26/2006 3:58:49 PM PST by axes_of_weezles
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To: MikefromOhio

This is rich. I had engaged AoW on some earlier immigration threads. Now I understand.


31 posted on 11/26/2006 3:59:59 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: axes_of_weezles
""The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps collected more than $54,000 in registration fees for background checks but spent only about $1,000 for that purpose last year, according to an IRS form and audit report released by group leader Chris Simcox.""

Where exactly in the link you gave or any of the .pdf documents or Simcox's explaination does it explain the above?

32 posted on 11/26/2006 4:02:42 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

Yep....


33 posted on 11/26/2006 4:03:05 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Prayers for my cousin Jeff and his family.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

If you look at the 990, it's not broken down per receipt.

They have complied with the law. And been independently audited.

The information was released as stated in July '06.

You are the following Seper and AP hook line and sinker.

This has been endlessly rehashed on 2500+ threads back in July August.

You prefer the AP/WP/Aclu/maldef/splc/NO MORE BORDERS version of events which is your right.

I am calling the bs flag on this one. There is nothing in the reports for 2005 itemizing the 485K in donations, just the expenses and they have been above board.

One loser for Texas did not like not having a leadership position and whined to the media.

You are full of crap. The MCDC still exists and is building a fence. More than I can say for DHS.


34 posted on 11/26/2006 4:08:32 PM PST by axes_of_weezles
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To: axes_of_weezles

So you don't have anything.


35 posted on 11/26/2006 4:11:12 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Hey; why dont you get current intel from ABP?
36 posted on 11/26/2006 4:15:07 PM PST by axes_of_weezles
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To: axes_of_weezles

Which line on the IRS 990?



Page 4 of the audit report..........


37 posted on 11/26/2006 4:15:13 PM PST by deport
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Not my job to do opposition research for you, loser.

If you want the info call one of the state chairs, their phone numbers are published and you can still contact them.


38 posted on 11/26/2006 4:19:25 PM PST by axes_of_weezles
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To: axes_of_weezles
The reason I use ABP is because I don't find the diagram on the MCDC site anymore. It certainly was featured there before:

Link Today

Link in April Via web.archive.org

39 posted on 11/26/2006 4:25:56 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Torie
...Now if the details were published of the $280,920 expenditures in Program Services

**** Hopefully, that went to some "good" cause like paying legal fees. The best things in life are fees.


Well you maybe in luck as some $174, 442 of the $280,920 went to Professional Services.... and so did $99,953 of the $145,400 Fundraising expenses. Now just what were this 'professional services'.... LOL
40 posted on 11/26/2006 4:27:29 PM PST by deport
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To: axes_of_weezles

I other words you can't answer because it does not say.


41 posted on 11/26/2006 4:27:31 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: deport

From their volunteer page:

"A $50 non-refundable volunteer registration fee is required to cover fees for a security background check and administrative costs."


In other words the fee was not just for background checks, it's for admin costs, and the admin costs are itemized.

Where is the issue?


42 posted on 11/26/2006 4:32:03 PM PST by axes_of_weezles
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To: Anti-Bubba182

See #42


43 posted on 11/26/2006 4:37:02 PM PST by axes_of_weezles
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To: Anti-Bubba182

https://secure.responseenterprises.com/minutemanhq/registration.php?a=100


I see you are the fraudster who has issues reading english.


44 posted on 11/26/2006 4:40:05 PM PST by axes_of_weezles
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To: axes_of_weezles
Lol! That is pathetic! It might very well cost some money to do a real background check, but they could not have done many if they were truthful on their IRS forms. The adminstrative expense dodge is laughable. Are they charging the applicant money for the priviledge of taking his money?
45 posted on 11/26/2006 4:47:35 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: axes_of_weezles

Where is the issue?



Did I claim there was an Issue?.... please point it out to me.....


46 posted on 11/26/2006 4:48:01 PM PST by deport
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To: MikefromOhio; COEXERJ145; Anti-Bubba182

47 posted on 11/26/2006 4:57:42 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: deport

"Now just what were this 'professional services'". You know, services rendered by a professional ;)

http://www.superpages.com/yellowpages/C-Business+&+Professional+Services/PI-1241/S-NV/T-Las+Vegas/


48 posted on 11/26/2006 5:09:04 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: deport
IRS 990

In web page format.

49 posted on 11/26/2006 5:09:45 PM PST by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

LOL!!!!!


50 posted on 11/26/2006 5:14:57 PM PST by MikefromOhio (Prayers for my cousin Jeff and his family.)
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