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Study: Money-happiness link is complex
AP on Yahoo ^ | 11/26/06 | Malcolm Ritter - ap

Posted on 11/26/2006 7:08:37 PM PST by NormsRevenge

NEW YORK - Does money buy happiness? It's sometimes said that scientists have found no relationship between money and happiness, but that's a myth, says University of Illinois psychologist Ed Diener.

The connection is complex, he says. But in fact, very rich people rate substantially higher in satisfaction with life than very poor people do, even within wealthy nations, he says.

"There is overwhelming evidence that money buys happiness," said economist Andrew Oswald of the University of Warwick in England. The main debate, he said, is how strong the effect is.

Oswald recently reported a study of Britons who won between $2,000 and $250,000 in a lottery. As a group, they showed a boost in happiness averaging a bit more than 1 point on a 36-point scale when surveyed two years after their win, compared to their levels two years before they won.

Daniel Kahneman, a Nobel-Prize winner and Princeton economist, and colleagues recently declared that the notion that making a lot of money will produce good overall mood is "mostly illusory."

They noted that in one study, people with household incomes of $90,000 or more were only slightly more likely to call themselves "very happy" overall than were people from households making $50,000 to $89,999. The rates were 43 percent versus 42 percent, respectively. (Members of the high-income group were almost twice as likely to call themselves "very happy" as people from households with incomes below $20,000.)

But other studies, rather than asking for a summary estimate of happiness, follow people through the day and repeatedly record their feelings. These studies show less effect of income on happiness, Kahneman and colleagues said.

There is still another twist to the money-happiness story. Even though people who make $150,000 are considerably happier than those who make $40,000, it's not clear why, says psychologist Richard E. Lucas of Michigan State University.

Does money make you happier? Or does being happier in the first place allow you to earn more money later, maybe by way of greater creativity or energy? Or does some other factor produce both money and happiness? There's evidence for all three interpretations, Lucas says.

In any case, researchers say any effect of money on happiness is smaller than most daydreamers assume.

"People exaggerate how much happiness is bought by an extra few thousand," Oswald said. "The quality of relationships has a far bigger effect than quite large rises in salary.... It's much better advice, if you're looking for happiness in life, to try to find the right husband or wife rather than trying to double your salary."


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KEYWORDS: complex; happiness; money; study
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To: SamAdams76
A positive attitude is the key to success. Negativity, pessimism, cynicism and envy will keep you down.

Yep...

21 posted on 11/26/2006 7:43:14 PM PST by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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To: LucyT

Is this the Hobart Brown I know?


22 posted on 11/26/2006 7:45:42 PM PST by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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To: potlatch


Money can't buy Paul McCartney a sane wife


23 posted on 11/26/2006 7:46:20 PM PST by devolve ( .................always shop, invest, & hire wisely)
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To: annelizly
The study wasn't talking about people in real poverty - it said

They noted that in one study, people with household incomes of $90,000 or more were only slightly more likely to call themselves "very happy" overall than were people from households making $50,000 to $89,999.

In most areas of the country, people making $50,000 or more can pay all of their bills, unless they are being totally unrealistic about what they can afford.

Money doesn't buy happiness - learning to live within your means does.

24 posted on 11/26/2006 7:47:26 PM PST by speekinout
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To: devolve
Money can't buy Paul McCartney a sane wife

Funny! I did not keep up with all of that so I don't know the details. Paul might be a little 'iffy' too, ya think?

25 posted on 11/26/2006 7:49:57 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: tubebender
Is this the Hobart Brown I know?

Dunno, I read the quote somewhere and thought it was funny.

26 posted on 11/26/2006 7:51:06 PM PST by LucyT ( “ Muslims have an obligation to kill Americans.” -- Osama bin Laden)
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To: NormsRevenge

The relationship is surely a complex one. However, I think there's somekind of treshold of wealth in which you'll be miserable if you are below it. Poverty, regardless how you define it, comes to mind.


27 posted on 11/26/2006 7:53:41 PM PST by paudio ('Conservative' is a term with multiple meanings.)
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To: LucyT
This is the Hobart Brown I know and the Hobart Brown my son visited in a convalescent home yesterday where he is recovering from a broken hip.

http://ebeltz.net/hobart/

For more H Brown google for him
28 posted on 11/26/2006 7:57:16 PM PST by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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To: NormsRevenge

I have an older brother who has a lot of money, by a "lot" I mean he has a lot more than I do. I retired at age 54 and am debt free, I have anything I want or need.

My brother is the penny pinchingest person I've ever known. I'm fond of telling him that I have more money than he does. It must be true because I have all I need and he will never have enough.


29 posted on 11/26/2006 7:58:32 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: potlatch


He kind of rushed into it fast after his wife's death

Donald Trump could give him some pointers on pre-screening and legal problems

Over a billion dollars puts a huge target on you




30 posted on 11/26/2006 8:00:11 PM PST by devolve ( .................always shop, invest, & hire wisely)
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To: LucyT

Here ya go... http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Hobart_Brown


31 posted on 11/26/2006 8:01:33 PM PST by tubebender (Growing old is mandatory...Growing up is optional)
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To: annelizly
Money CAN buy love. When I returned from deployment, I paid $65US for Cayanne. She loves me, as long as I keep her in food and litter, and let her claw the drapes. And then came Spook. She cost me $128US in vet bills. And about $30US/month in food, litter, and drapes. And then came the rescue kittie. He's not paid for, yet. So far I've spent $110US cash, 1/2 pint of blood, one shirt, a blanket, and some drapes. And we're not finished...

Drapes are over-rated, except for cat toys.

And when I walk into the house today, everybody loves me and wants to eat, and wants new drapes.

Life is good. It's just like being married, except for the honey-do list.

/johnny

32 posted on 11/26/2006 8:04:01 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (They want to die in jihad. I'm here to help, in whatever small way I can. Generally by cooking...)
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To: tubebender

Awww, sorry to hear about the broken hip; give him a hug for me, won't you. Here's something from google:

Hobart Brown

A resident of the Victorian village of Ferndale, California, Hobart Brown is known for his works of art made from wire coat hangers and fencing. In 1969, Brown became a local celebrity when he initiated the annual Kinetic Sculpture Race.

The inspiration for the race came when Brown set out to repair his son's tricycle with a welding iron and ended up creating a whimsical, six-foot construction with five wheels, two seats, and a roof. The first Kinetic Sculpture Race consisted of five human-powered works of art that traveled a one-block course in Ferndale on Memorial Day in 1969.

Often credited with the inspirational quote "Having more money does not insure happiness; people with ten million dollars are no happier than people with nine million dollars",

Hobart Brown was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize in 1999 by Richard Langfort, a professor of psychology in a nearby college.

Langfort, an expert on youth suicide, saw the Brown's sculpture race as a means of giving isolated children a sense of hope. It perhaps goes without saying that Brown did not win.


33 posted on 11/26/2006 8:04:17 PM PST by LucyT ( “ Muslims have an obligation to kill Americans.” -- Osama bin Laden)
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To: devolve

Well sure all that money is a big draw for the gold diggers but he must have been looking for someone so you can't always fault the person he settled on.

But - I don't know the details. I imagine anyone he had married would be thought to be 'after his money'.


34 posted on 11/26/2006 8:05:21 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: Graybeard58
I have all I need and he will never have enough.

That's the only relationship between money and happiness that I know about. :-)

35 posted on 11/26/2006 8:07:01 PM PST by speekinout
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To: Graybeard58
I've been wealthy, and I've been broke. I prefer wealthy. But there is one thing I've never had....

I've either had the time, or the money. Never, have I had both, together.

I've got a zillion projects I want to work on. They take time AND money. I've always had time OR money.

This time, my target is the time AND the money to make some of those projects happen. And who knows, I might get some time AND money if they work out.

/johnny

36 posted on 11/26/2006 8:08:48 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (They want to die in jihad. I'm here to help, in whatever small way I can. Generally by cooking...)
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To: potlatch; devolve

He could have avoided a lot of heartburn with a prenup.


37 posted on 11/26/2006 8:10:34 PM PST by LucyT ( “ Muslims have an obligation to kill Americans.” -- Osama bin Laden)
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To: CheyennePress
That said, finding the right gal that fits perfectly under your arm and smiles the whole way doesn't hurt, either.

True, but I think if any one thing can make you happy, you aren't a whole person. It's a combination of things that make life worth living. It's not big things either, the little things all add up. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts and such.

P.S.: Only smiling might be okay for you, but mine's a great conversationalist, and she listens to me too!

38 posted on 11/26/2006 8:12:22 PM PST by AntiKev (If we blindly follow our own religions, we become no better than our enemies.)
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To: LucyT; devolve

Yes, that is dumb of any very wealthy person not to do that. As I wrote, I didn't keep up with the details of their saga.


39 posted on 11/26/2006 8:14:50 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: NormsRevenge

Like Andy Warhol says, "Success is being able to pay your bills". What a great saying that is, it`s so freggin` true at least when it comes to finances.


40 posted on 11/26/2006 8:20:00 PM PST by Screamname (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post):)
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