Posted on 11/27/2006 10:22:01 AM PST by new yorker 77
More Americans have been murdered in the United states in the past 44 months than were killed in the entire Vietnam War.
The United States has averaged 16,500 murders per year in the last 4 years.
This averages to 1,375 murders per month in the U.S..
1,375 over 44 months since March 2003 is over 60,000.
Data: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_01.html
Is it time to pull out of the U.S.?
Are we at Civil War?
FYI
yes, did you not hear about it we are in a civil war. our civil rights against the libs, save american !!!!!
We should pull out of the U.S. immediately and redeploy to Japan.
Most the murders are drug related or domestic violence.
We need aggressive diplomacy. A time table for
wthdrawl would be helpful.
I think we should look to Syria.
This won't faze anti-war liberals one bit. They'll just say it's proof that we need gun control in America.
Quagmire.
If Keith Olbermann has not delcared it a civil war can it be one? bwahahahaha!
Bush's fault!
It's past time for the Liberals to leave and end their occupation our country. We need to begin a movement for this to happen.
How many Iraqis were killed since the deposing of Saddam ? Any UNBIASED figures we can refer to ?
It would take a lot of Ex-Lax to get that kind of movement.
That's the new direction.
Doubt if the murders HERE have anything to do with the war THERE. Bet is has more to do with illegals crossing into the U.S. unchecked.
Time to pull out of L.A. and New York City. Oh, and New Orleans. ;)
Less than were killed as a result of fighting in Europe and Japan during WWII.
Why is it that liberal trolls sound so much like terrorists?
Ah, yes. But the relief would be worth it.
The total estimated human loss of life caused by World War II, irrespective of political alignment, was roughly 62 million people. The civilian toll was around 37 million, the military toll about 25 million. The Allies lost around 51 million people, and the Axis lost 11 million.
The population of the U.S. is about 11 times the population of Iraq. If the level of murder was the same in both countries, Iraq would have about 125 murders a month. Iraq has almost that many murders per day. In other words, Iraqi civilians are being murdered at a rate of about 30 times the U.S. murder rate.
Thanks, you are a godsend.
37 million civilians died during WWII.
WWII begins in September 1939 and ends in August 1945.
6 years of war.
513,000 dead civilians per month.
16,900 dead civilians per day for 6 years.
Either that or squish them all into one megacity...New York, San Francisco, etc.
They definitely are, but don't let it fool you into overconfidence. There are probably people you know who hide their drug problem, coworkers you have no choice but to come in contact with.
When they say "the killer knew the victim" or "the crime was not random", it doesn't always mean that the victim was shady or reckless.
don't forget reparations,too.
Given the USA has a population of say 290,000,000 and Iraq has a population of 26,000,000 then that would come out to 5379 Iraqis murders per year.
Not even comparable.
US Population (Avg for past 4 years) about 298 million
Iraq population = about 26 million
16000 murders per yr in US equates to about 1400 murders per year in Iraq. Iraq seems to have a bigger issue, relative to its population.
Counts unattached to base counts are subject to considerable distortion.
Rather than squish them, I'd go for flushing them. Perhaps they can find some Island in the middle of the ocean to live on.
How many men have died of AIDS since the start of the war?
How much money has been spent on all aspects of AIDS since the start of the war?
Why won't the MSM give those numbers?
Where are the names of the AIDS dead? Names read in somber tones at the end of newscasts? Or of young people t killed in car accidents... And the costs. The MSM needs to tell us. Every week - like a drum beat. The cost, lives, cost, lives, cost, lives...
The MSM gives numbers out when it pushes their agenda. They hate the military, so every dime, every life is screamed about ... The MSM doesn't treat money for their dem pets that way -- no, that we never hear the costs of liberal programs or investigations.
How many millions did it take to investigate Clinton? (40 million) How much to investigate and impeach Alcee Hastings (the MSM doesn't know or care). There's thousands of examples. Unfair - bias - lies by omission.
The public has a RIGHT TO KNOW! I have a RIGHT TO KNOW!
How does 16,900 civilian deaths per day in WWII for six years compare to Iraq?
The only people calling Iraq a Civil War are terrorists and Democrats.
Which one are you?
Trying to look at things through the lens of our own civil war or our own crime rate is misleading. Our society is almost unique in it's stability, despite a high level of ambient chaos that freedom allows.
"37 million civilians died during WWII.
WWII begins in September 1939 and ends in August 1945.
6 years of war.
513,000 dead civilians per month.
16,900 dead civilians per day for 6 years."
What has World War II got to do with the premise that Iraq is not in a civil war because there are more murders in the U.S. than Iraq?
Are you saying that if Americans were killing each other at a rate of 1300 murders a day you would not consider it a civil war?
Did you start this thread solely for the purpose of calling anyone who disagrees with your ludicrously flawed statistical attempts to (do what exactly? Say that Iraq is no more dangerous than the US?) a troll?
Just interested.
It doesn't really matter whether you label Iraq a 'civil war' or not, it is clear that there is very extensive conflict going on between various communities. Why try to pretend otherwise?
Good question.. The answer of course being YES..
The War being a Sematic War with hyperbolic creep with the MsM and MsP activily brain washing "the Masses"..
Sedition on a massive scale.. Treason on a entrenched front line.. The 1st amendment protects the ENEMY from direct engagement.. The "press" was once a safeguard has become a Trojan Horse..
Any civil war engagements should be against "the Press"..
The "Enemy" OWNS the MsM and press.. So, Who owns/controls the press?..
Exactly.. (the enemy)..
Ah, but there is not a wide spread terroristic war taking place in the U.S. as there is in Iraq. That, and the fact that we do not have several Islamic countries trying to stir up a hornets nest as what is taking place in Iraq. If you removed all the insurgents and terrorists from the equation, what is the number of murders being committed for non-terrorist purposes? I'd guess a much smaller number than here in the U.S.
I would also profer that the Islamo-facist/terrorist violence being conducted in Iraq is being aided by all the anti-war rhetoric coming out of the liberal members of Congress. The more these Ill-liberals speak, the more the terrorists/insurgents increase their attacks with the belief that all they have to do is keep up the violence and the U.S. will pull out. The Ill-liberals of the U.S. have done more to help the insurgents than anyone else in the world. I can't understand why this is so hard for liberals to get.
Math and Computer Science?
That's what I was considering if I had failed to get my Engineering Degrees.
Every conflict between two or more factions within a country is now a "civil war" according to NBC.
Isn't America a little bigger in size than Vietnam? Doesn't America have a little more people? Logic holes so big you could drive a truck through them.
An Engineering degree, and yet you produced this post?
Call your college. Maybe you can get your money back.
Listen.
If you want to call Iraq a Civil War, go right ahead. Who needs facts to make an argument stick.
I'm going to start calling World War II, THE GLOBAL CIVIL WAR of 1939 - 1945.
I mean 16,900 dead civilians per day makes "The IRaq Civil War" look like day camp.
I also, do not prefer to use LOL in a discussion of warfare, but heck I don't hate the U.S. military as much as you do.
Amen.
Make a red staate/ blue state map of Iraq and you would probably see that the violence occurs mostly in cities. An urban sophisticate just ignores it here but exaggerates its importance in Iraq. The Dems will teach us how to do that.
"By your perverted illogic, WWII would be considered a colossal failure."
It was perverted McNamara logic to measure progress in the Vietnam war by body counts, and it is equally perverted logic to measure it that way in Iraq, though the anti-war media has been doing so since the beginning. To the extent that a primary battlefield of this war is the media, the logic, perverted or not, could be decisive in the end. Thus, when rolling out body counts as a discussion point, it is still important to use measures that take into account the size of the affected population.
To keep the nature of the struggle in mind, the "count" to which I mentally compare US casualties in Iraq is the US casualty toll sustained in the occupation of Iwo Jima: 26,000 total, over 7,000 dead for this one campaign for an arguably insignicant objective:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Iwo_Jima
Compared to this, Iraq has so far been a smashing success, yet the US clearly won the "media battle" over Iwo Jima, in spite of some "discoraging words" that made it into print while the war was still on:
'Given this bloody sacrifice, the necessity and long-term significance of the island's capture to the outcome of the war was a contentious issue from the beginning, and remains disputed. As early as April 1945 retired Chief of Naval Operations William V. Pratt asked in Newsweek magazine about the "expenditure of manpower to acquire a small, God-forsaken island, useless to the Army as a staging base and useless to the Navy as a fleet base ... [one] wonders if the same sort of airbase could not have been reached by acquiring other strategic localities at lower cost." William V. Pratt, "What Makes Iwo Jima Worth the Price," Newsweek, 2 April 1945, 36.'
Meanwhile, the Iraq war media battle is still up for grabs.
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